Hi, we had some popcorn ceiling removed from a room. That ceiling had
abestos (the neighbor had their popcorn ceiling analyzed). Now we are
concerned that the air in that room has abestos. Is this a 'valid'
concern? Can anyone recommend a company which can 'analyze' the air in
that room (does such thing exist?). Thanks.

Terry

The damage is done. Turn on the attic fan, open a window and it's gone. If
it's been over 4 hours ago, it's gone. Millions of popcorn ceilings are
scraped clean and no one worries about the asbestoes that may be there. I
know I don't. It takes 20 years of daily exposure before you MIGHT display
a symptom 20 years after that. Asbestoes is all hype. Another government
intervention on a good product.

steve


wrote in message
oups.com...
Hi, we had some popcorn ceiling removed from a room. That ceiling had
abestos (the neighbor had their popcorn ceiling analyzed). Now we are
concerned that the air in that room has abestos. Is this a 'valid'
concern? Can anyone recommend a company which can 'analyze' the air in
that room (does such thing exist?). Thanks.

Terry

Steve Barker wrote:
The damage is done. Turn on the attic fan, open a window and it's gone. If
it's been over 4 hours ago, it's gone. Millions of popcorn ceilings are
scraped clean and no one worries about the asbestoes that may be there. I
know I don't. It takes 20 years of daily exposure before you MIGHT display
a symptom 20 years after that. Asbestoes is all hype. Another government
intervention on a good product.

steve


Maybe a good product but the manufacturers and companies that used it
were the problem. Johns-Manville knew for generations that constant
exposure was a problem and hid that fact. Ask anyone who is still alive
(or their survivors) who has asbestosis or lung cancer because they
worked in a shipyard and were exposed to it without any protection how
much hype it is.

"George" wrote in message
Maybe a good product but the manufacturers and companies that used it were
the problem. Johns-Manville knew for generations that constant exposure
was a problem and hid that fact. Ask anyone who is still alive (or their
survivors) who has asbestosis or lung cancer because they worked in a
shipyard and were exposed to it without any protection how much hype it
is.

In the case of a painted ceiling, it is encapsulated in the paint. Yes,
working with the raw material was a problem, but in most every other case,
it is over hyped and not so. Different situations entirely.

As for what the OP should do, I'd do nothing. Any problems are now gone and
I doubt it was a problem from the start. My wife and I did our ceilings and
I'd not hesitate to do it again.

Steve Barker wrote:
The damage is done. Turn on the attic fan, open a window and it's
gone. If it's been over 4 hours ago, it's gone. Millions of popcorn
ceilings are scraped clean and no one worries about the asbestoes
that may be there. I know I don't. It takes 20 years of daily
exposure before you MIGHT display a symptom 20 years after that. Asbestoes
is all hype. Another government intervention on a good
product.
steve


wrote in message
oups.com...
Hi, we had some popcorn ceiling removed from a room. That ceiling had
abestos (the neighbor had their popcorn ceiling analyzed). Now we are
concerned that the air in that room has abestos. Is this a 'valid'
concern? Can anyone recommend a company which can 'analyze' the air
in that room (does such thing exist?). Thanks.

Terry

I'm glad you believe that Steve;

Ask my father about it. He died from asbestos exposure. It's a serious and
real threat. It does not *take* 20 years *of* exposure, it takes a minor
amout of exposure and does not show up *until* 20 years.

Asbestos fibers are lighter than air so the fibers never really "settle"
like dust might. The fibers also have a "barbed hook" of sorts and once
they become imbeded in your lungs, they can't be removed. You body reacts
by building a "scare tissue" of sorts around the sight in an attempt to
protect you. After the 20 year(s) mark, a cancer known as Mesotheloma
develops.

http://abestos-cancer.com/

Asbestos left alone is not harmful unless it becomes *friable*
[disintegrates]. Otherwise if you do remove it, have professionals do the
job. It's really not that expensive, and you avoid risk to your family and
friends.

BTW: Blowing around with a bunch of fans is not going to remove air borne
asbestos. Be smart - have the air in your home tested by a professional
company. If you value your family and friends, this is the smart chocie.

--
Zyp

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
"George" wrote in message
Maybe a good product but the manufacturers and companies that used
it were the problem. Johns-Manville knew for generations that
constant exposure was a problem and hid that fact. Ask anyone who is
still alive (or their survivors) who has asbestosis or lung cancer
because they worked in a shipyard and were exposed to it without any
protection how much hype it is.

In the case of a painted ceiling, it is encapsulated in the paint. Yes,
working with the raw material was a problem, but in most every
other case, it is over hyped and not so. Different situations
entirely.
As for what the OP should do, I'd do nothing. Any problems are now
gone and I doubt it was a problem from the start. My wife and I did
our ceilings and I'd not hesitate to do it again.

I'm glad that Edwin is so positive about what is floating in the air the he
can't see.

If in doubt, have it tested. Piece of mind is valuable and I'm sure you
vaule your family's health.

--
Zyp

Zyp wrote:

I'm glad you believe that Steve;

Ask my father about it. He died from asbestos exposure. It's a
serious and real threat. It does not *take* 20 years *of* exposure,
it takes a minor amout of exposure and does not show up *until* 20
years.
Asbestos fibers are lighter than air so the fibers never really
"settle" like dust might. The fibers also have a "barbed hook" of
sorts and once they become imbeded in your lungs, they can't be
removed. You body reacts by building a "scare tissue" of sorts
around the sight in an attempt to protect you. After the 20 year(s)
mark, a cancer known as Mesotheloma develops.

http://abestos-cancer.com/


Thanks for the link. EVERY SINGLE REFERENCE on that page refers, in one way
or another, to LAWYERS who will help you sue if anyone ever mentioned
asbestos in your hearing.

Here's a better quote:

"Since the early 1940s, millions of American workers have been exposed to
asbestos. Health hazards from asbestos fibers have been recognized in
workers exposed in shipbuilding trades, asbestos mining and milling,
manufacturing of asbestos textiles and other asbestos products, insulation
work in the construction and building trades, and a variety of other trades.
Demolition workers, drywall removers, asbestos removal workers,
firefighters, and automobile workers also may be exposed to asbestos fibers.
However, recent studies do not support an increased risk of lung cancer or
mesothelioma among automobile mechanics exposed to asbestos through brake
repair..."

The above from the National Cancer Institute:
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/f.../Risk/asbestos

In the mid 50s, I took high school art class. We were given asbestos powder
to mix with water to use for modelling media. We also handled asbestos as
it was wrapped around a furnace that we took out and used asbestos paper to
seal ducts on the new furnace. I am still alive and kicking.

"HeyBub" wrote in message
...
Zyp wrote:

I'm glad you believe that Steve;

Ask my father about it. He died from asbestos exposure. It's a
serious and real threat. It does not *take* 20 years *of* exposure,
it takes a minor amout of exposure and does not show up *until* 20
years.
Asbestos fibers are lighter than air so the fibers never really
"settle" like dust might. The fibers also have a "barbed hook" of
sorts and once they become imbeded in your lungs, they can't be
removed. You body reacts by building a "scare tissue" of sorts
around the sight in an attempt to protect you. After the 20 year(s)
mark, a cancer known as Mesotheloma develops.

http://abestos-cancer.com/


Thanks for the link. EVERY SINGLE REFERENCE on that page refers, in one
way or another, to LAWYERS who will help you sue if anyone ever mentioned
asbestos in your hearing.

Here's a better quote:

"Since the early 1940s, millions of American workers have been exposed to
asbestos. Health hazards from asbestos fibers have been recognized in
workers exposed in shipbuilding trades, asbestos mining and milling,
manufacturing of asbestos textiles and other asbestos products, insulation
work in the construction and building trades, and a variety of other
trades. Demolition workers, drywall removers, asbestos removal workers,
firefighters, and automobile workers also may be exposed to asbestos
fibers. However, recent studies do not support an increased risk of lung
cancer or mesothelioma among automobile mechanics exposed to asbestos
through brake repair..."

The above from the National Cancer Institute:
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/f.../Risk/asbestos

"Zyp" wrote in message

I'm glad that Edwin is so positive about what is floating in the air the
he can't see.

If in doubt, have it tested. Piece of mind is valuable and I'm sure you
vaule your family's health.


I have more peace of mind than you do. I do know that when asbestos is
encapsulated it is perfectly safe. We used water spray to make scraping
easier and that knocks down any dust. Your money, so test away as you
please. I'll still sleep well in my house.

The hype over so many things stirred up by lawyer sis incredible. Good
article in Reader's Digest a month or so ago about some of the asbestos
cases and fraud. Mostly a money grab.

On 8/23/2007 11:59 AM, Steve Barker wrote:
snip

It takes 20 years of daily exposure before you MIGHT display
a symptom 20 years after that. Asbestoes is all hype. Another government
intervention on a good product.

steve




And you can kiss my a*ss. My dad died of asbestosis. It's a horrible
death. Do you *know* what you're talking about?

--
Ted
I wasn't born in Texas but
I got back here as soon as I could


Always consider the source before taking advice.
--John Navas

On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:55:08 -0500, xPosTech
wrote:

On 8/23/2007 11:59 AM, Steve Barker wrote:
snip

It takes 20 years of daily exposure before you MIGHT display
a symptom 20 years after that. Asbestoes is all hype. Another government
intervention on a good product.

steve




And you can kiss my a*ss. My dad died of asbestosis. It's a horrible
death. Do you *know* what you're talking about?


I'm sure his experience was horrible but a single anecdote proves
nothing. How was he exposed? How long was the exposure?

Doug

YEP.

"xPosTech" wrote in message
...
Do you *know* what you're talking about?

--
Ted

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:

I have more peace of mind than you do. I do know that when asbestos
is encapsulated it is perfectly safe. We used water spray to make
scraping easier and that knocks down any dust. Your money, so test
away as you please. I'll still sleep well in my house.

It's more than the cost of the test. If the test comes back positive, the
homeowner will probably have to disclose to a subsequent buyer that this
property may be deemed a toxic waste dump.


The hype over so many things stirred up by lawyer sis incredible. Good
article in Reader's Digest a month or so ago about some of the
asbestos cases and fraud. Mostly a money grab.

The most ghastly hysteria in recent years was the banning of silicone breast
implants. Millions of men suffered for many years until the hype died down
and silicone was re-approved.

Sad. Very sad.

HeyBub wrote:
Zyp wrote:

I'm glad you believe that Steve;

Ask my father about it. He died from asbestos exposure. It's a
serious and real threat. It does not *take* 20 years *of* exposure,
it takes a minor amout of exposure and does not show up *until* 20
years.
Asbestos fibers are lighter than air so the fibers never really
"settle" like dust might. The fibers also have a "barbed hook" of
sorts and once they become imbeded in your lungs, they can't be
removed. You body reacts by building a "scare tissue" of sorts
around the sight in an attempt to protect you. After the 20 year(s)
mark, a cancer known as Mesotheloma develops.

http://abestos-cancer.com/


Thanks for the link. EVERY SINGLE REFERENCE on that page refers, in
one way or another, to LAWYERS who will help you sue if anyone ever
mentioned asbestos in your hearing.

Here's a better quote:

"Since the early 1940s, millions of American workers have been
exposed to asbestos. Health hazards from asbestos fibers have been
recognized in workers exposed in shipbuilding trades, asbestos mining
and milling, manufacturing of asbestos textiles and other asbestos
products, insulation work in the construction and building trades,
and a variety of other trades. Demolition workers, drywall removers,
asbestos removal workers, firefighters, and automobile workers also
may be exposed to asbestos fibers. However, recent studies do not
support an increased risk of lung cancer or mesothelioma among
automobile mechanics exposed to asbestos through brake repair..."

The above from the National Cancer Institute:
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/f.../Risk/asbestos

Thanks *HeyBud*

I didn't spend that much time reviewing all of the link. I do know that
Lawyers [ambulance chasers] are like sharks in the ocean.

I'm glad that Edwin P. used water to deter fibers from becoming air born. I
wonder though, if he used a "suffactent" or "glycol" added to his water to
keep the fibers contained. I also wonder what he did with the materials he
"scraped?" Did he just throw it in the local trash? Did he consider how it
is a problem at the dump? Did he consider all those other folks who may be
exposed to his material? And yes, sorry Edwin P., but that material still
belongs to you. [It could come back and haunt you in the future.] I wonder
what other "precautions" were taken to protect others who might not be aware
of the materials they handled while Edwin P. - "I'll still sleep well in my
house"

--
Zyp

Steve Barker LT wrote:
YEP.

"xPosTech" wrote in message
...
Do you *know* what you're talking about?

--
Ted

I guess I can only relate by my *personal* experience. I admit the *chance*
might be slim, but it wasn't for my father. He worked as a driller on water
and oil rigs for 10 years, then, worked as a HVAC [heating] installer,
service, and owner for the next 22 years. During that time he handled a
considerable amount of asbestos heating insulation on ducts and in the wheat
paste used to seal those ducts.

And, after considerable medical diagnosis, he *was* diagnosed with
Mesotheloma cancer of the lungs.

There is a considerable increase of risk if you smoke, and he did. Those
that didn't smoke though in his trade ended up with Mesotheloma as well
though. [Friends I grew up knowing.]

For those who want to be cautious, do so. I am. I'm in the HVACR trade,
[36 years now] and when ever we come across this hazardous material, we
recommend it's removal by professionals that are licensed and insured for
that type of work. BTW: It really isn't that expensive to *just do it
right.!*

FWIW: My family, friends and the general population is worth more than
saving a couple of buck$.

--
Zyp

"Zyp" wrote in message
I'm glad that Edwin P. used water to deter fibers from becoming air born.
I wonder though, if he used a "suffactent" or "glycol" added to his water
to keep the fibers contained.

Proper spelling is surfactant. Matter of fact, I did as it breaks the
tension on the water and makes it wet better.

I also wonder what he did with the materials he
"scraped?" Did he just throw it in the local trash? Did he consider how
it is a problem at the dump? Did he consider all those other folks who
may be exposed to his material? And yes, sorry Edwin P., but that
material still belongs to you.

Nope, it belongs to the dump now. Actually, the dump has been sold to a
company that dumps ash from incinerators. If you take the time to look up
how to dispose of some asbestos containing materials, you put in in plastic
bags and take it to the dump. Really, have you checked?


[It could come back and haunt you in the future.] I wonder
what other "precautions" were taken to protect others who might not be
aware of the materials they handled while Edwin P. - "I'll still sleep
well in my house"

Just to clarify, I sleep well in my house, on long flights, and most hotel
rooms.

I know you have good intentions, but you really should educate yourself
about asbestos and how it can be handled safely. And how to protect
yourself if there are concerns as there can be under certain circumstanses.
It can be handled, touched, you can even lick it with no harm.

I don't denly that there were situtations in mines, shipyards and a few
other places where the dangers of the fibers were hidden once it was known
potential problems did exist. That does not mean that all asbestos is bad
and will kill. Keep in mind, encapsulation is one of the best ways to make
it safe. You can encapsulate the fibers in paint.

Here are a few more tips
Removing asbestos from your home
If you do choose to remove the non-licensable asbestos materials yourself it
will help if you take the following precautions:

a.. wear a dust mask approved for asbestos;
b.. wear a disposable overall
c.. keep other people away from the working area;
d.. wet the material well with water containing a little washing up
liquid; check that there is no potential for contact with electricity first;
e.. always remove whole sheets or components; do not break them up
f.. place any loose or small items in strong plastic labelled bags and
seal;
g.. clean up all dust with a damp cloth and then seal it in a plastic bag
whilst damp;
h.. do not use a domestic vacuum cleaner as dust may pass through the
filter.

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
"Zyp" wrote in message
I'm glad that Edwin P. used water to deter fibers from becoming air
born. I wonder though, if he used a "suffactent" or "glycol" added
to his water to keep the fibers contained.

Proper spelling is surfactant. Matter of fact, I did as it breaks
the tension on the water and makes it wet better.

I also wonder what he did with the materials he
"scraped?" Did he just throw it in the local trash? Did he
consider how it is a problem at the dump? Did he consider all those
other folks who may be exposed to his material? And yes, sorry Edwin P.,
but that material still belongs to you.

Nope, it belongs to the dump now. Actually, the dump has been sold
to a company that dumps ash from incinerators. If you take the time
to look up how to dispose of some asbestos containing materials, you
put in in plastic bags and take it to the dump. Really, have you
checked?

[It could come back and haunt you in the future.] I wonder
what other "precautions" were taken to protect others who might not
be aware of the materials they handled while Edwin P. - "I'll still
sleep well in my house"

Just to clarify, I sleep well in my house, on long flights, and most
hotel rooms.

I know you have good intentions, but you really should educate
yourself about asbestos and how it can be handled safely. And how to
protect yourself if there are concerns as there can be under certain
circumstanses. It can be handled, touched, you can even lick it with
no harm.
I don't denly that there were situtations in mines, shipyards and a
few other places where the dangers of the fibers were hidden once it
was known potential problems did exist. That does not mean that all
asbestos is bad and will kill. Keep in mind, encapsulation is one of
the best ways to make it safe. You can encapsulate the fibers in
paint.
Here are a few more tips
Removing asbestos from your home
If you do choose to remove the non-licensable asbestos materials
yourself it will help if you take the following precautions:

a.. wear a dust mask approved for asbestos;
b.. wear a disposable overall
c.. keep other people away from the working area;
d.. wet the material well with water containing a little washing up
liquid; check that there is no potential for contact with electricity
first; e.. always remove whole sheets or components; do not break
them up f.. place any loose or small items in strong plastic
labelled bags and seal;
g.. clean up all dust with a damp cloth and then seal it in a
plastic bag whilst damp;
h.. do not use a domestic vacuum cleaner as dust may pass through the
filter.

Fine Edwin P.

Will this link be a good resource?
http://www.epa.gov/asbestos/

None the less though, I believe removing or encapsulation [I'll try to work
on my spelling ability] asbestos is not somthing a homeowner / DIY 'r shoud
dive into lightly. And recommending DIY's is not in the public's best
interest. I'm only trying to say it is dangerous and should not be down -
played.

Read this information

http://www.epa.gov/asbestos/pubs/ashome.html\

--
Zyp

"Zyp" wrote in message
I'm only trying to say it is dangerous and should not be down - played.

Read this information

http://www.epa.gov/asbestos/pubs/ashome.html\

I'm trying to say it is not as dangerous as some people think and can be
handled without great expense by a DIYer and can be done safely. There is a
lot of misinformation started by lawyers an opportunists that want your
money.

BTW, your link gives me a File Not Found message. Maybe it was not the
truth?

on 8/25/2007 9:35 PM Edwin Pawlowski said the following:
"Zyp" wrote in message

I'm only trying to say it is dangerous and should not be down - played.

Read this information

http://www.epa.gov/asbestos/pubs/ashome.html\


I'm trying to say it is not as dangerous as some people think and can be
handled without great expense by a DIYer and can be done safely. There is a
lot of misinformation started by lawyers an opportunists that want your
money.

BTW, your link gives me a File Not Found message. Maybe it was not the
truth?

Take the slash off the end of the link.
http://www.epa.gov/asbestos/pubs/ashome.html


--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

willshak wrote:
on 8/25/2007 9:35 PM Edwin Pawlowski said the following:
"Zyp" wrote in message

I'm only trying to say it is dangerous and should not be down -
played. Read this information

http://www.epa.gov/asbestos/pubs/ashome.html\


I'm trying to say it is not as dangerous as some people think and
can be handled without great expense by a DIYer and can be done
safely. There is a lot of misinformation started by lawyers an
opportunists that want your money.

BTW, your link gives me a File Not Found message. Maybe it was not
the truth?

Take the slash off the end of the link.
http://www.epa.gov/asbestos/pubs/ashome.html


--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

That's just it Edwin P. It isn't that expensive! You make it out to be
thousands when it's not. And in California, if it's not thousands here, its
w-a-y cheaper elsewhere. And the couple of bucks saved may not be worth it.
[Some DIY's just shouldn't!]

--
Zyp