Theres a discussion on alt.home repair, about convertiung natural gas
grills to propane. My experience is the propane contains more BTUs and
seers steaks better.

A good friend works at sears and reports they hate selling natural gas
grills, since so many get returned with not hot enough complaints.

So I would appreciate the experts here at the barbecue group to give
us their opinions.

my opinion is that even with different orfices propane will be hotter
thn natural gas.....

wrote:
Theres a discussion on alt.home repair, about convertiung natural gas
grills to propane. My experience is the propane contains more BTUs and
seers steaks better.

A good friend works at sears and reports they hate selling natural gas
grills, since so many get returned with not hot enough complaints.

So I would appreciate the experts here at the barbecue group to give
us their opinions.

my opinion is that even with different orfices propane will be hotter
thn natural gas.....

I would suggest that the difference in fuel is about 3% of the equation
and the difference of design is 97%. You don't use the same orifice for
both fuels so the results should be very similar.

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia 's Muire duit

wrote in message
Theres a discussion on alt.home repair, about convertiung natural gas
grills to propane. My experience is the propane contains more BTUs and
seers steaks better.

A good friend works at sears and reports they hate selling natural gas
grills, since so many get returned with not hot enough complaints.

So I would appreciate the experts here at the barbecue group to give
us their opinions.

my opinion is that even with different orfices propane will be hotter
thn natural gas.....

The benefits of natural gas are summarized he
http://bbq.about.com/od/gasgrills/a/aa030505a.htm

But my personal experience is that all things being equal, nothing beats
wood and real wood charcoal. But, there are times when I opt for using my
gas grill.

For years I had a propane grill. In 2000 I switched to a Sunbeam natural
gas grill. I love the convenience of never worrying about how much gas I
have left. I have not had a problem with a lack of heat. In fact, I have
never really had to use the high setting.

Hope that helps
Chris

Joseph Meehan wrote:
wrote:

Theres a discussion on alt.home repair, about convertiung natural gas
grills to propane. My experience is the propane contains more BTUs and
seers steaks better.

A good friend works at sears and reports they hate selling natural gas
grills, since so many get returned with not hot enough complaints.

So I would appreciate the experts here at the barbecue group to give
us their opinions.

my opinion is that even with different orfices propane will be hotter
thn natural gas.....


I would suggest that the difference in fuel is about 3% of the equation
and the difference of design is 97%. You don't use the same orifice for
both fuels so the results should be very similar.


Agreed. If proper orifice is used for either gas, they "should" put out
roughly the same heat. BTUs

wrote:
Theres a discussion on alt.home repair, about convertiung natural gas
grills to propane. My experience is the propane contains more BTUs and
seers steaks better.

A good friend works at sears and reports they hate selling natural gas
grills, since so many get returned with not hot enough complaints.

So I would appreciate the experts here at the barbecue group to give
us their opinions.

my opinion is that even with different orfices propane will be hotter
thn natural gas.....


When converting most common fueled appliances, such as Cooktops, ovens,
& gas fireplaces, switching them to over to LP from natural gas actually
lowers the BTU's.

In article . com, " wrote:
Theres a discussion on alt.home repair, about convertiung natural gas
grills to propane. My experience is the propane contains more BTUs and
seers steaks better.

A good friend works at sears and reports they hate selling natural gas
grills, since so many get returned with not hot enough complaints.

So I would appreciate the experts here at the barbecue group to give
us their opinions.

my opinion is that even with different orfices propane will be hotter
thn natural gas.....

Several years ago, we moved from a home with LP gas to one with natural gas.
It turned out that it cost only about $25 to replace the orifices on our
grill, so, rather than buy a new grill, we converted the old one from LP to
natural.

Same burner. New orifices.

It burns a HELL of a lot hotter on NG than it ever did on LP.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

I agree, I won't, and will never use a gas grill. Might just as well put
the **** in the oven inside.

--
Steve Barker




"swibirun" wrote in message
.. .
But my personal experience is that all things being equal, nothing beats
wood and real wood charcoal.
Hope that helps
Chris

Weber's website seems to imply that their grills have the same btu
output whether it's the NG or propane version.

When I bought a Weber NG grill I was very surprised to see that it
cooked much hotter than my older propane grill. They're not exactly
the same model (due to the age difference) but the temperature
difference was pretty big.

A factor to consider, in addition to fuel, is what the grates are made
out of. Cast iron grates take longer to heat up but they hold heat
longer. So you should remember that even though the air temp inside
the grill might be 500 or 600 degrees, the cooking grates might not be
that hot for a while.

Shaun Eli
www.BrainChampagne.com
Brain Champagne: Clever Comedy for Smart Minds (sm)

Newsreader wrote:

When converting most common fueled appliances, such as Cooktops, ovens,
& gas fireplaces, switching them to over to LP from natural gas actually
lowers the BTU's.

Why would that be? LP gas has approximately twice the BTU content by volume as
natural gas. Even if if the orifice was reduced by half, the heat content would
be the same, not less.

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
news
In article . com,
" wrote:
Theres a discussion on alt.home repair, about convertiung natural gas
grills to propane. My experience is the propane contains more BTUs and
seers steaks better.

A good friend works at sears and reports they hate selling natural gas
grills, since so many get returned with not hot enough complaints.

So I would appreciate the experts here at the barbecue group to give
us their opinions.

my opinion is that even with different orfices propane will be hotter
thn natural gas.....

Several years ago, we moved from a home with LP gas to one with natural
gas.
It turned out that it cost only about $25 to replace the orifices on our
grill, so, rather than buy a new grill, we converted the old one from LP
to
natural.

Same burner. New orifices.

It burns a HELL of a lot hotter on NG than it ever did on LP.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

This has nothing to do with which is hotter but rather a potential safety
issue. In 2000 we had the flexible connection line fail on our propane GG
and turned the tank into a huge blow torch that proceeded to burn off the
back of the house because there was no way to extinguish the propane tank
till it burned itself empty. That wouldn't of happened had I had a gas shut
off as I do now with our natural gas grill. That's why I'll never own a
propane grill again.

Rick Blaine wrote:
Newsreader wrote:

When converting most common fueled appliances, such as Cooktops, ovens,
& gas fireplaces, switching them to over to LP from natural gas actually
lowers the BTU's.

Why would that be? LP gas has approximately twice the BTU content by volume as
natural gas. Even if if the orifice was reduced by half, the heat content would
be the same, not less.

For example, re-jet a Viking gas cooktop for LP, and each burner's BTU
rating drops by 500, as per spec sheet he

http://www.vikingrange.com/MEDIA_Cus...vgsu_specs.pdf

on page 2.

I don't have the spec handy, but my gas fireplace rating is lower with
LP than NG as well.

In article t, "tom" wrote:

This has nothing to do with which is hotter but rather a potential safety
issue. In 2000 we had the flexible connection line fail on our propane GG
and turned the tank into a huge blow torch that proceeded to burn off the
back of the house because there was no way to extinguish the propane tank
till it burned itself empty. That wouldn't of happened had I had a gas shut
off as I do now with our natural gas grill. That's why I'll never own a
propane grill again.

Wow.

That wasn't an issue for us. Since the house was heated with LP, I just
installed a line out on to the deck, and ran the grill off the house supply. I
had a shutoff right where the line exited the house (15' away from the grill),
another shutoff inside the house, and of course a main shutoff at the tank.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

Did you consider turning off the tank valve whilst this alleged broken line
burnt your house?

--
Steve Barker




"tom" wrote in message
k.net...

This has nothing to do with which is hotter but rather a potential safety
issue. In 2000 we had the flexible connection line fail on our propane GG
and turned the tank into a huge blow torch that proceeded to burn off the
back of the house because there was no way to extinguish the propane tank
till it burned itself empty. That wouldn't of happened had I had a gas
shut
off as I do now with our natural gas grill. That's why I'll never own a
propane grill again.

"Steve Barker" wrote in message
...
Did you consider turning off the tank valve whilst this alleged broken
line burnt your house?

--
Steve Barker

I can't imagine getting near it if it was shooting out full blast. I think
the new tanks with the OPD would shut off themselves in that condition.

Newsreader wrote:

For example, re-jet a Viking gas cooktop for LP, and each burner's BTU
rating drops by 500, as per spec sheet he

http://www.vikingrange.com/MEDIA_Cus...vgsu_specs.pdf

on page 2.

I don't have the spec handy, but my gas fireplace rating is lower with
LP than NG as well.

How strange. Maybe the pressure is lower with LP gas?

On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 03:05:12 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski"
wrote:


"Steve Barker" wrote in message
m...
Did you consider turning off the tank valve whilst this alleged broken
line burnt your house?

--
Steve Barker

I can't imagine getting near it if it was shooting out full blast. I think

Me neither. A garden hose couldn't have put out the flame, probably,
but it might have kept the house from burning. But maybe he did do
that and if not, it's easy to think of those things now.

the new tanks with the OPD would shut off themselves in that condition.

Really?

"Steve Barker" wrote in message
...
Did you consider turning off the tank valve whilst this alleged broken
line
burnt your house?

--
Steve Barker




"tom" wrote in message
k.net...

This has nothing to do with which is hotter but rather a potential
safety
issue. In 2000 we had the flexible connection line fail on our propane
GG
and turned the tank into a huge blow torch that proceeded to burn off
the
back of the house because there was no way to extinguish the propane
tank
till it burned itself empty. That wouldn't of happened had I had a gas
shut
off as I do now with our natural gas grill. That's why I'll never own a
propane grill again.



The 20 lb. tank that caught fire also had a shut-off but with it spewing an
8 ft flame neither myself or the firemen were able to approach it to turn it
off.

"mm" wrote in message

the new tanks with the OPD would shut off themselves in that condition.

Really?

The OPD is a float that blocks the outlet. Thee is also a valve like the
one on a tire valve that must be pushed in. If the OPD gets forced tot he
top of the tank it will shut it off or severely cut down the amount of gas
escaping. If you wee able to knock it on its side it would be even better as
it is designed to stop leaks from a tank in your trunk that gets knocked
over.

On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 03:49:36 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski"
wrote:


"mm" wrote in message

the new tanks with the OPD would shut off themselves in that condition.

Really?

The OPD is a float that blocks the outlet. Thee is also a valve like the
one on a tire valve that must be pushed in. If the OPD gets forced tot he
top of the tank it will shut it off or severely cut down the amount of gas
escaping. If you wee able to knock it on its side it would be even better as
it is designed to stop leaks from a tank in your trunk that gets knocked
over.

Sounds good. Is this the new design that everyone had to switch to
over the last 6 or 7 years?

"mm" wrote in message

Sounds good. Is this the new design that everyone had to switch to
over the last 6 or 7 years?


Yes, many state now require it. You can tell because it has a triangular
shaped know on top

"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message
...

"mm" wrote in message

Sounds good. Is this the new design that everyone had to switch to
over the last 6 or 7 years?


Yes, many state now require it. You can tell because it has a triangular
shaped know on top


Q: What is an overfilling prevention device?
A: As defined by the National Fire Protection Association's Pamphlet 58 -
LP-Gas Code, 1998 Edition (Code), it is..."A safety device that is designed
to provide an automatic means to prevent the filling of a container in
excess of the maximum permitted filling limit."




http://www.grillman.com/propane_tankregs.htm#q4

"tom" wrote in message
.net...

"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message
...

"mm" wrote in message

Sounds good. Is this the new design that everyone had to switch to
over the last 6 or 7 years?


Yes, many state now require it. You can tell because it has a
triangular
shaped know on top


Q: What is an overfilling prevention device?
A: As defined by the National Fire Protection Association's Pamphlet 58 -
LP-Gas Code, 1998 Edition (Code), it is..."A safety device that is
designed
to provide an automatic means to prevent the filling of a container in
excess of the maximum permitted filling limit."




http://www.grillman.com/propane_tankregs.htm#q4


Sorry, should be: http://www.grillman.com/propane_tankregs.htm#q1

I'd just reach over and turn the fukin valve off. didn't the OP say the
fire was blazing out the end of a broken tube? And not right at the tank?

--
Steve Barker




"mm" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 03:05:12 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski"
wrote:


"Steve Barker" wrote in message
om...
Did you consider turning off the tank valve whilst this alleged broken
line burnt your house?

--
Steve Barker

I can't imagine getting near it if it was shooting out full blast. I
think

Me neither. A garden hose couldn't have put out the flame, probably,
but it might have kept the house from burning. But maybe he did do
that and if not, it's easy to think of those things now.

the new tanks with the OPD would shut off themselves in that condition.

Really?

that float valve only blocks it if it's overfilled. would do nothing on its
side or upside down, because it would float the wrong way.

--
Steve Barker




"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message
...

"mm" wrote in message

the new tanks with the OPD would shut off themselves in that condition.

Really?

The OPD is a float that blocks the outlet. Thee is also a valve like the
one on a tire valve that must be pushed in. If the OPD gets forced tot he
top of the tank it will shut it off or severely cut down the amount of gas
escaping. If you wee able to knock it on its side it would be even better
as it is designed to stop leaks from a tank in your trunk that gets
knocked over.

On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 00:07:00 -0600, "Steve Barker"
wrote:

I'd just reach over and turn the fukin valve off. didn't the OP say the
fire was blazing out the end of a broken tube? And not right at the tank?

Later he said that the firemen wouldn't do it either. So I guess it
didn't look like a good idea.

On Feb 25, 10:07 pm, "Steve Barker"
wrote:
I'd just reach over and turn the fukin valve off. didn't the OP say the
fire was blazing out the end of a broken tube? And not right at the tank?

--
Steve Barker

"mm" wrote in message

...

On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 03:05:12 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski"
wrote:

"Steve Barker" wrote in message
om...
Did you consider turning off the tank valve whilst this alleged broken
line burnt your house?

--
Steve Barker

I can't imagine getting near it if it was shooting out full blast. I
think

Me neither. A garden hose couldn't have put out the flame, probably,
but it might have kept the house from burning. But maybe he did do
that and if not, it's easy to think of those things now.

the new tanks with the OPD would shut off themselves in that condition.

Really?

If the "blow torch" installation is anything like mine...that flexible
tube is only about 2 or 3 ft long.

I don't think I'd be getting within 2 or 3 ft of a blazing propane
tube........

cheers
Bob

"Steve Barker" wrote in message
...
that float valve only blocks it if it's overfilled. would do nothing on
its side or upside down, because it would float the wrong way.

--
Steve Barker

Even standing in the proper position, they often block the flow if the gas
is turned on to a high flow fast. Want to test out the theory?

On Feb 26, 1:30 am, "BobK207" wrote:

If the "blow torch" installation is anything like mine...that flexible
tube is only about 2 or 3 ft long.

I don't think I'd be getting within 2 or 3 ft of a blazing propane
tube........

cheers
Bob-

I use a turkey fryer to boil corn in the summer and I've had it go
into blow-torch mode at the air mixture thingy. After the first time
that happened I make sure that that orifice is pointed away from the
tank.

Cam

no. i just use them and don't break the flex lines.

--
Steve Barker




"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message
...

Even standing in the proper position, they often block the flow if the gas
is turned on to a high flow fast. Want to test out the theory?

--




"Rick Blaine" wrote in message
...
Newsreader wrote:

For example, re-jet a Viking gas cooktop for LP, and each burner's BTU
rating drops by 500, as per spec sheet he

http://www.vikingrange.com/MEDIA_Cus...vgsu_specs.pdf

on page 2.

I don't have the spec handy, but my gas fireplace rating is lower with
LP than NG as well.

How strange. Maybe the pressure is lower with LP gas?

the pressure is 2-3 times higher than NG

Bob Pietrangelo
(home)
(work)
www.comfort-solution.biz

"Bob Pietrangelo" wrote:

How strange. Maybe the pressure is lower with LP gas?

the pressure is 2-3 times higher than NG

After the regulator? I mean, what am I missing here?

It's a fact that LP is almost double the BTU content of NG per cubic foot.
Reducing the orifice size for an LP fueled burner would bring the burner down to
the same heat output. Why would a manufacturer bring it even lower?

"Rick Blaine" wrote in message
...

It's a fact that LP is almost double the BTU content of NG per cubic foot.
Reducing the orifice size for an LP fueled burner would bring the burner
down to
the same heat output. Why would a manufacturer bring it even lower?

I don't have a clue, but most gas ranges for propane are rated lower than NG
by about 1000 Btu per burner. There may be other factors at work, such as
getting the proper gas - air mix in the burner or restrictions of the
venturi. In the case of grills, the primary fuel source is propane while in
ranges, the primary source is NG and in both cases thee is a conversion kit
that uses much of the same mechanical components.

On 25 Feb 2007 10:59:48 -0800, "
wrote:

Theres a discussion on alt.home repair, about convertiung natural gas
grills to propane. My experience is the propane contains more BTUs and
seers steaks better.

A good friend works at sears and reports they hate selling natural gas
grills, since so many get returned with not hot enough complaints.

So I would appreciate the experts here at the barbecue group to give
us their opinions.

my opinion is that even with different orfices propane will be hotter
thn natural gas.....
The difference in pressure has been brought up. Because of the lower
pressure, NG requires a larger supply line. And the longer the run,
the larger it needs.

--Andy Asberry--
------Texas-----