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Natual gas vs propane, which is hotter
Theres a discussion on alt.home repair, about convertiung natural gas
grills to propane. My experience is the propane contains more BTUs and seers steaks better. A good friend works at sears and reports they hate selling natural gas grills, since so many get returned with not hot enough complaints. So I would appreciate the experts here at the barbecue group to give us their opinions. my opinion is that even with different orfices propane will be hotter thn natural gas..... |
Natual gas vs propane, which is hotter
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Natual gas vs propane, which is hotter
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Theres a discussion on alt.home repair, about convertiung natural gas grills to propane. My experience is the propane contains more BTUs and seers steaks better. A good friend works at sears and reports they hate selling natural gas grills, since so many get returned with not hot enough complaints. So I would appreciate the experts here at the barbecue group to give us their opinions. my opinion is that even with different orfices propane will be hotter thn natural gas..... The benefits of natural gas are summarized he http://bbq.about.com/od/gasgrills/a/aa030505a.htm But my personal experience is that all things being equal, nothing beats wood and real wood charcoal. But, there are times when I opt for using my gas grill. For years I had a propane grill. In 2000 I switched to a Sunbeam natural gas grill. I love the convenience of never worrying about how much gas I have left. I have not had a problem with a lack of heat. In fact, I have never really had to use the high setting. Hope that helps:) Chris |
Natural gas vs propane, which is hotter
Joseph Meehan wrote: wrote: Theres a discussion on alt.home repair, about convertiung natural gas grills to propane. My experience is the propane contains more BTUs and seers steaks better. A good friend works at sears and reports they hate selling natural gas grills, since so many get returned with not hot enough complaints. So I would appreciate the experts here at the barbecue group to give us their opinions. my opinion is that even with different orfices propane will be hotter thn natural gas..... I would suggest that the difference in fuel is about 3% of the equation and the difference of design is 97%. You don't use the same orifice for both fuels so the results should be very similar. Agreed. If proper orifice is used for either gas, they "should" put out roughly the same heat. BTUs |
Natual gas vs propane, which is hotter
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Natual gas vs propane, which is hotter
In article . com, " wrote:
Theres a discussion on alt.home repair, about convertiung natural gas grills to propane. My experience is the propane contains more BTUs and seers steaks better. A good friend works at sears and reports they hate selling natural gas grills, since so many get returned with not hot enough complaints. So I would appreciate the experts here at the barbecue group to give us their opinions. my opinion is that even with different orfices propane will be hotter thn natural gas..... Several years ago, we moved from a home with LP gas to one with natural gas. It turned out that it cost only about $25 to replace the orifices on our grill, so, rather than buy a new grill, we converted the old one from LP to natural. Same burner. New orifices. It burns a HELL of a lot hotter on NG than it ever did on LP. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
Natual gas vs propane, which is hotter
I agree, I won't, and will never use a gas grill. Might just as well put
the **** in the oven inside. -- Steve Barker "swibirun" wrote in message .. . But my personal experience is that all things being equal, nothing beats wood and real wood charcoal. Hope that helps:) Chris |
Natual gas vs propane, which is hotter
Weber's website seems to imply that their grills have the same btu
output whether it's the NG or propane version. When I bought a Weber NG grill I was very surprised to see that it cooked much hotter than my older propane grill. They're not exactly the same model (due to the age difference) but the temperature difference was pretty big. A factor to consider, in addition to fuel, is what the grates are made out of. Cast iron grates take longer to heat up but they hold heat longer. So you should remember that even though the air temp inside the grill might be 500 or 600 degrees, the cooking grates might not be that hot for a while. Shaun Eli www.BrainChampagne.com Brain Champagne: Clever Comedy for Smart Minds (sm) |
Natual gas vs propane, which is hotter
Newsreader wrote:
When converting most common fueled appliances, such as Cooktops, ovens, & gas fireplaces, switching them to over to LP from natural gas actually lowers the BTU's. Why would that be? LP gas has approximately twice the BTU content by volume as natural gas. Even if if the orifice was reduced by half, the heat content would be the same, not less. |
Natual gas vs propane, which is hotter
"Doug Miller" wrote in message . .. In article . com, " wrote: Theres a discussion on alt.home repair, about convertiung natural gas grills to propane. My experience is the propane contains more BTUs and seers steaks better. A good friend works at sears and reports they hate selling natural gas grills, since so many get returned with not hot enough complaints. So I would appreciate the experts here at the barbecue group to give us their opinions. my opinion is that even with different orfices propane will be hotter thn natural gas..... Several years ago, we moved from a home with LP gas to one with natural gas. It turned out that it cost only about $25 to replace the orifices on our grill, so, rather than buy a new grill, we converted the old one from LP to natural. Same burner. New orifices. It burns a HELL of a lot hotter on NG than it ever did on LP. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. This has nothing to do with which is hotter but rather a potential safety issue. In 2000 we had the flexible connection line fail on our propane GG and turned the tank into a huge blow torch that proceeded to burn off the back of the house because there was no way to extinguish the propane tank till it burned itself empty. That wouldn't of happened had I had a gas shut off as I do now with our natural gas grill. That's why I'll never own a propane grill again. |
Natual gas vs propane, which is hotter
Rick Blaine wrote:
Newsreader wrote: When converting most common fueled appliances, such as Cooktops, ovens, & gas fireplaces, switching them to over to LP from natural gas actually lowers the BTU's. Why would that be? LP gas has approximately twice the BTU content by volume as natural gas. Even if if the orifice was reduced by half, the heat content would be the same, not less. For example, re-jet a Viking gas cooktop for LP, and each burner's BTU rating drops by 500, as per spec sheet he http://www.vikingrange.com/MEDIA_Cus...vgsu_specs.pdf on page 2. I don't have the spec handy, but my gas fireplace rating is lower with LP than NG as well. |
Natual gas vs propane, which is hotter
In article t, "tom" wrote:
This has nothing to do with which is hotter but rather a potential safety issue. In 2000 we had the flexible connection line fail on our propane GG and turned the tank into a huge blow torch that proceeded to burn off the back of the house because there was no way to extinguish the propane tank till it burned itself empty. That wouldn't of happened had I had a gas shut off as I do now with our natural gas grill. That's why I'll never own a propane grill again. Wow. That wasn't an issue for us. Since the house was heated with LP, I just installed a line out on to the deck, and ran the grill off the house supply. I had a shutoff right where the line exited the house (15' away from the grill), another shutoff inside the house, and of course a main shutoff at the tank. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
Natual gas vs propane, which is hotter
Did you consider turning off the tank valve whilst this alleged broken line
burnt your house? -- Steve Barker "tom" wrote in message k.net... This has nothing to do with which is hotter but rather a potential safety issue. In 2000 we had the flexible connection line fail on our propane GG and turned the tank into a huge blow torch that proceeded to burn off the back of the house because there was no way to extinguish the propane tank till it burned itself empty. That wouldn't of happened had I had a gas shut off as I do now with our natural gas grill. That's why I'll never own a propane grill again. |
Natual gas vs propane, which is hotter
"Steve Barker" wrote in message ... Did you consider turning off the tank valve whilst this alleged broken line burnt your house? -- Steve Barker I can't imagine getting near it if it was shooting out full blast. I think the new tanks with the OPD would shut off themselves in that condition. |
Natual gas vs propane, which is hotter
Newsreader wrote:
For example, re-jet a Viking gas cooktop for LP, and each burner's BTU rating drops by 500, as per spec sheet he http://www.vikingrange.com/MEDIA_Cus...vgsu_specs.pdf on page 2. I don't have the spec handy, but my gas fireplace rating is lower with LP than NG as well. How strange. Maybe the pressure is lower with LP gas? |
Natual gas vs propane, which is hotter
On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 03:05:12 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski"
wrote: "Steve Barker" wrote in message m... Did you consider turning off the tank valve whilst this alleged broken line burnt your house? -- Steve Barker I can't imagine getting near it if it was shooting out full blast. I think Me neither. A garden hose couldn't have put out the flame, probably, but it might have kept the house from burning. But maybe he did do that and if not, it's easy to think of those things now. the new tanks with the OPD would shut off themselves in that condition. Really? |
Natual gas vs propane, which is hotter
"Steve Barker" wrote in message ... Did you consider turning off the tank valve whilst this alleged broken line burnt your house? -- Steve Barker "tom" wrote in message k.net... This has nothing to do with which is hotter but rather a potential safety issue. In 2000 we had the flexible connection line fail on our propane GG and turned the tank into a huge blow torch that proceeded to burn off the back of the house because there was no way to extinguish the propane tank till it burned itself empty. That wouldn't of happened had I had a gas shut off as I do now with our natural gas grill. That's why I'll never own a propane grill again. The 20 lb. tank that caught fire also had a shut-off but with it spewing an 8 ft flame neither myself or the firemen were able to approach it to turn it off. |
Natual gas vs propane, which is hotter
"mm" wrote in message the new tanks with the OPD would shut off themselves in that condition. Really? The OPD is a float that blocks the outlet. Thee is also a valve like the one on a tire valve that must be pushed in. If the OPD gets forced tot he top of the tank it will shut it off or severely cut down the amount of gas escaping. If you wee able to knock it on its side it would be even better as it is designed to stop leaks from a tank in your trunk that gets knocked over. |
Natual gas vs propane, which is hotter
On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 03:49:36 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski"
wrote: "mm" wrote in message the new tanks with the OPD would shut off themselves in that condition. Really? The OPD is a float that blocks the outlet. Thee is also a valve like the one on a tire valve that must be pushed in. If the OPD gets forced tot he top of the tank it will shut it off or severely cut down the amount of gas escaping. If you wee able to knock it on its side it would be even better as it is designed to stop leaks from a tank in your trunk that gets knocked over. Sounds good. Is this the new design that everyone had to switch to over the last 6 or 7 years? |
Natual gas vs propane, which is hotter
"mm" wrote in message Sounds good. Is this the new design that everyone had to switch to over the last 6 or 7 years? Yes, many state now require it. You can tell because it has a triangular shaped know on top |
Natual gas vs propane, which is hotter
"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message ... "mm" wrote in message Sounds good. Is this the new design that everyone had to switch to over the last 6 or 7 years? Yes, many state now require it. You can tell because it has a triangular shaped know on top Q: What is an overfilling prevention device? A: As defined by the National Fire Protection Association's Pamphlet 58 - LP-Gas Code, 1998 Edition (Code), it is..."A safety device that is designed to provide an automatic means to prevent the filling of a container in excess of the maximum permitted filling limit." http://www.grillman.com/propane_tankregs.htm#q4 |
Natual gas vs propane, which is hotter
"tom" wrote in message .net... "Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message ... "mm" wrote in message Sounds good. Is this the new design that everyone had to switch to over the last 6 or 7 years? Yes, many state now require it. You can tell because it has a triangular shaped know on top Q: What is an overfilling prevention device? A: As defined by the National Fire Protection Association's Pamphlet 58 - LP-Gas Code, 1998 Edition (Code), it is..."A safety device that is designed to provide an automatic means to prevent the filling of a container in excess of the maximum permitted filling limit." http://www.grillman.com/propane_tankregs.htm#q4 Sorry, should be: http://www.grillman.com/propane_tankregs.htm#q1 |
Natual gas vs propane, which is hotter
I'd just reach over and turn the fukin valve off. didn't the OP say the
fire was blazing out the end of a broken tube? And not right at the tank? -- Steve Barker "mm" wrote in message ... On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 03:05:12 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" wrote: "Steve Barker" wrote in message om... Did you consider turning off the tank valve whilst this alleged broken line burnt your house? -- Steve Barker I can't imagine getting near it if it was shooting out full blast. I think Me neither. A garden hose couldn't have put out the flame, probably, but it might have kept the house from burning. But maybe he did do that and if not, it's easy to think of those things now. the new tanks with the OPD would shut off themselves in that condition. Really? |
Natual gas vs propane, which is hotter
that float valve only blocks it if it's overfilled. would do nothing on its
side or upside down, because it would float the wrong way. -- Steve Barker "Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message ... "mm" wrote in message the new tanks with the OPD would shut off themselves in that condition. Really? The OPD is a float that blocks the outlet. Thee is also a valve like the one on a tire valve that must be pushed in. If the OPD gets forced tot he top of the tank it will shut it off or severely cut down the amount of gas escaping. If you wee able to knock it on its side it would be even better as it is designed to stop leaks from a tank in your trunk that gets knocked over. |
Natual gas vs propane, which is hotter
On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 00:07:00 -0600, "Steve Barker"
wrote: I'd just reach over and turn the fukin valve off. didn't the OP say the fire was blazing out the end of a broken tube? And not right at the tank? Later he said that the firemen wouldn't do it either. So I guess it didn't look like a good idea. |
Natual gas vs propane, which is hotter
On Feb 25, 10:07 pm, "Steve Barker"
wrote: I'd just reach over and turn the fukin valve off. didn't the OP say the fire was blazing out the end of a broken tube? And not right at the tank? -- Steve Barker "mm" wrote in message ... On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 03:05:12 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" wrote: "Steve Barker" wrote in message om... Did you consider turning off the tank valve whilst this alleged broken line burnt your house? -- Steve Barker I can't imagine getting near it if it was shooting out full blast. I think Me neither. A garden hose couldn't have put out the flame, probably, but it might have kept the house from burning. But maybe he did do that and if not, it's easy to think of those things now. the new tanks with the OPD would shut off themselves in that condition. Really? If the "blow torch" installation is anything like mine...that flexible tube is only about 2 or 3 ft long. I don't think I'd be getting within 2 or 3 ft of a blazing propane tube........ cheers Bob |
Natual gas vs propane, which is hotter
"Steve Barker" wrote in message ... that float valve only blocks it if it's overfilled. would do nothing on its side or upside down, because it would float the wrong way. -- Steve Barker Even standing in the proper position, they often block the flow if the gas is turned on to a high flow fast. Want to test out the theory? |
Natual gas vs propane, which is hotter
On Feb 26, 1:30 am, "BobK207" wrote:
If the "blow torch" installation is anything like mine...that flexible tube is only about 2 or 3 ft long. I don't think I'd be getting within 2 or 3 ft of a blazing propane tube........ cheers Bob- I use a turkey fryer to boil corn in the summer and I've had it go into blow-torch mode at the air mixture thingy. After the first time that happened I make sure that that orifice is pointed away from the tank. Cam |
Natual gas vs propane, which is hotter
no. i just use them and don't break the flex lines.
-- Steve Barker "Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message ... Even standing in the proper position, they often block the flow if the gas is turned on to a high flow fast. Want to test out the theory? |
Natual gas vs propane, which is hotter
-- "Rick Blaine" wrote in message ... Newsreader wrote: For example, re-jet a Viking gas cooktop for LP, and each burner's BTU rating drops by 500, as per spec sheet he http://www.vikingrange.com/MEDIA_Cus...vgsu_specs.pdf on page 2. I don't have the spec handy, but my gas fireplace rating is lower with LP than NG as well. How strange. Maybe the pressure is lower with LP gas? the pressure is 2-3 times higher than NG Bob Pietrangelo (home) (work) www.comfort-solution.biz |
Natual gas vs propane, which is hotter
"Bob Pietrangelo" wrote:
How strange. Maybe the pressure is lower with LP gas? the pressure is 2-3 times higher than NG After the regulator? I mean, what am I missing here? It's a fact that LP is almost double the BTU content of NG per cubic foot. Reducing the orifice size for an LP fueled burner would bring the burner down to the same heat output. Why would a manufacturer bring it even lower? |
Natual gas vs propane, which is hotter
"Rick Blaine" wrote in message ... It's a fact that LP is almost double the BTU content of NG per cubic foot. Reducing the orifice size for an LP fueled burner would bring the burner down to the same heat output. Why would a manufacturer bring it even lower? I don't have a clue, but most gas ranges for propane are rated lower than NG by about 1000 Btu per burner. There may be other factors at work, such as getting the proper gas - air mix in the burner or restrictions of the venturi. In the case of grills, the primary fuel source is propane while in ranges, the primary source is NG and in both cases thee is a conversion kit that uses much of the same mechanical components. |
Natual gas vs propane, which is hotter
On 25 Feb 2007 10:59:48 -0800, "
wrote: Theres a discussion on alt.home repair, about convertiung natural gas grills to propane. My experience is the propane contains more BTUs and seers steaks better. A good friend works at sears and reports they hate selling natural gas grills, since so many get returned with not hot enough complaints. So I would appreciate the experts here at the barbecue group to give us their opinions. my opinion is that even with different orfices propane will be hotter thn natural gas..... The difference in pressure has been brought up. Because of the lower pressure, NG requires a larger supply line. And the longer the run, the larger it needs. --Andy Asberry-- ------Texas----- |
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