I live in an 80-year-old six-unit apartment building, and the single-pipe
steam radiator system doesn't work all that well.

I'd like to put in supplemental heating, and one good possibility seems to
be a natural gas stove-heater.

I see that there are vented and unvented models. It seems to me that
unvented might be a bit dangerous.

But I remember that years ago, many houses had room gas heaters with no
venting at all. You just lit them, and the heat filled the room -- gas fumes
and all -- and I don't remember any bad results.

Any guidance welcome.

Ray wrote:
I live in an 80-year-old six-unit apartment building, and the single-pipe
steam radiator system doesn't work all that well.

I'd like to put in supplemental heating, and one good possibility seems to
be a natural gas stove-heater.

I see that there are vented and unvented models. It seems to me that
unvented might be a bit dangerous.

But I remember that years ago, many houses had room gas heaters with no
venting at all. You just lit them, and the heat filled the room -- gas fumes
and all -- and I don't remember any bad results.


Maybe you can't recall anything because of all that exposure to
combustion byproducts? But seriously I can't ever remember any of the
older equipment that didn't give me a headache and a "blah" feeling.
The newer electronic control units with good flame control and oxygen
sensors etc seem to be a lot better.

Any guidance welcome.

George wrote:
Ray wrote:
I live in an 80-year-old six-unit apartment building, and the single-pipe
steam radiator system doesn't work all that well.

I'd like to put in supplemental heating, and one good possibility seems to
be a natural gas stove-heater.

I see that there are vented and unvented models. It seems to me that
unvented might be a bit dangerous.

But I remember that years ago, many houses had room gas heaters with no
venting at all. You just lit them, and the heat filled the room -- gas fumes
and all -- and I don't remember any bad results.


Maybe you can't recall anything because of all that exposure to
combustion byproducts? But seriously I can't ever remember any of the
older equipment that didn't give me a headache and a "blah" feeling.
The newer electronic control units with good flame control and oxygen
sensors etc seem to be a lot better.

Any guidance welcome.

Unvented scares me. Friend put in his hunting camp when he got gas for
free from people that have mineral rights to property. I know that the
new units have sensors to protect against low oxygen and carbon
monoxide, but I'd rather not have to rely on them when I'm asleep.
You're still going to have to breathe combustion products and will get
extra moisture. I'd get vented or electric space heaters.

Frank

Ray wrote:

I live in an 80-year-old six-unit apartment building, and the single-pipe
steam radiator system doesn't work all that well.

I'd like to put in supplemental heating, and one good possibility seems to
be a natural gas stove-heater.

I see that there are vented and unvented models. It seems to me that
unvented might be a bit dangerous.

But I remember that years ago, many houses had room gas heaters with no
venting at all. You just lit them, and the heat filled the room -- gas fumes
and all -- and I don't remember any bad results.

Any guidance welcome.



The new unvented heaters with ox depletion sensor are quite good.

BUT....even these are generally prohibited in sleeping rooms.
Some cities ban the heaters for *all* uses...period. Ask first.

Jim

Frank wrote:
George wrote:


Unvented scares me. Friend put in his hunting camp when he got gas for
free from people that have mineral rights to property. I know that the
new units have sensors to protect against low oxygen and carbon
monoxide, but I'd rather not have to rely on them when I'm asleep.
You're still going to have to breathe combustion products and will get
extra moisture. I'd get vented or electric space heaters.

Frank


Agree about using them in a sleeping area. You may just never wake up.
Every one I have seen is placarded against that use.

"George" wrote in message
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Ray wrote:
I live in an 80-year-old six-unit apartment building, and the single-pipe
steam radiator system doesn't work all that well.

I'd like to put in supplemental heating, and one good possibility seems
to be a natural gas stove-heater.

I see that there are vented and unvented models. It seems to me that
unvented might be a bit dangerous.

But I remember that years ago, many houses had room gas heaters with no
venting at all. You just lit them, and the heat filled the room -- gas
fumes and all -- and I don't remember any bad results.


Maybe you can't recall anything because of all that exposure to combustion
byproducts?

God, but that cracked me up!

Steam one pipe? go buy some Dole 1-10 adjustable air vents, you might
even get too hot, or a Vari-Vent. Bad air vents leave radiators cold.

Even these suck, imo.
They *clearly* change the air quality, add boucou vapor into the room.
I have one in my shop, a 20,000+ btu unit.
I use it for a while to take the chill off the whole shop, then use
electric, or a dehumidifier (like a half-assed heat pump). They do put out
a lot of heat, so I would use them judiciously, in conjuntion w/ other
methods.
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"Speedy Jim" wrote in message
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Ray wrote:

I live in an 80-year-old six-unit apartment building, and the single-pipe
steam radiator system doesn't work all that well.

I'd like to put in supplemental heating, and one good possibility seems
to be a natural gas stove-heater.

I see that there are vented and unvented models. It seems to me that
unvented might be a bit dangerous.

But I remember that years ago, many houses had room gas heaters with no
venting at all. You just lit them, and the heat filled the room -- gas
fumes and all -- and I don't remember any bad results.

Any guidance welcome.

The new unvented heaters with ox depletion sensor are quite good.

BUT....even these are generally prohibited in sleeping rooms.
Some cities ban the heaters for *all* uses...period. Ask first.

Jim