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Bedroom in apartment: Need ideas to buffer sounds from ceiling/neighbors
Hello,
Between the ceiling and the floor of the upstairs apartment and mine; there is no insulation. Not only can I hear every footstep, but the neighbors are extremely active; something is constantly hitting the floor unannounced. (Don't ask - I don't know, either.) The landlord doesn't want to pay for/put in any insulation. Apparently, it would involve ripping up the ceilings. As far as putting something on my side of the ceiling; I've heard that Home Depot has "foam boards" and I've heard of ideas regarding putting up layers of rugs, etc. I need clarification on how to and what materials to use, (as cheap as possible), that I could affix, screw in or whatever to the ceiling and possibly something on the walls (?) that would successfully reduce the amount of noise. If you have specifics regarding materials, posting a link to Home Depot web pages would be helpful. http://www.homedepot.com Otherwise, the general name of a material is good enough. It's a rental, so I can't go crazy with marring the ceiling. But I guess I could put in screws that can later be filled in. I am just going to do something to the bedroom only; roughly a 20 ft. by 12 ft area. Whatever ideas people have; don't worry about how it will look; I could always drape something over whatever work is there. Thanks A LOT for any input. |
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Does the apartment above you have carpet. A cost effective idea might
be to donate a rug to your upstairs neighbors. 888eight888 wrote: Hello, Between the ceiling and the floor of the upstairs apartment and mine; there is no insulation. Not only can I hear every footstep, but the neighbors are extremely active; something is constantly hitting the floor unannounced. (Don't ask - I don't know, either.) The landlord doesn't want to pay for/put in any insulation. Apparently, it would involve ripping up the ceilings. As far as putting something on my side of the ceiling; I've heard that Home Depot has "foam boards" and I've heard of ideas regarding putting up layers of rugs, etc. I need clarification on how to and what materials to use, (as cheap as possible), that I could affix, screw in or whatever to the ceiling and possibly something on the walls (?) that would successfully reduce the amount of noise. If you have specifics regarding materials, posting a link to Home Depot web pages would be helpful. http://www.homedepot.com Otherwise, the general name of a material is good enough. It's a rental, so I can't go crazy with marring the ceiling. But I guess I could put in screws that can later be filled in. I am just going to do something to the bedroom only; roughly a 20 ft. by 12 ft area. Whatever ideas people have; don't worry about how it will look; I could always drape something over whatever work is there. Thanks A LOT for any input. |
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http://www.naturestapestry.com/generator.html (or similar)
You can even get free noise generator programs for your PC (winamp has a plugin). We live in a _very_ quiet area; the downside is when we travel we are therefore highly sensitive to noise. I use the winamp noise plugin on my laptop and crank it all night ; it works like a charm even in the noisest places. |
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Between the ceiling and the floor of the upstairs apartment and
mine; there is no insulation. I had a similar problem that ended about 8 months ago when I moved into a house. Until then, I'd had off and on problems with my upstairs neighber, depending on who was living there at the time. My research on the web and newgroups indicated that effective sound insulation required 1) mass, and 2) layers. Not very practical in a rental. I learned to sleep wearing a sound insulating headset, like the one you wear when shooting or using loud power tools. I stretched the headband so that it didn't fit very tight; this was enough to mask the sounds, while being confortable enough to sleep in. However, I couldn't hear my alarm in the morning and had there ever been a fire, I would have been burned alive. ;-) For lighter sounds, I found that a pillow or folded towel on my head works well. I feel your pain. |
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read more first at:
http://www.audioalloy.com/ 888eight888 wrote: Hello, Between the ceiling and the floor of the upstairs apartment and mine; there is no insulation. Not only can I hear every footstep, but the neighbors are extremely active; something is constantly hitting the floor unannounced. (Don't ask - I don't know, either.) The landlord doesn't want to pay for/put in any insulation. Apparently, it would involve ripping up the ceilings. As far as putting something on my side of the ceiling; I've heard that Home Depot has "foam boards" and I've heard of ideas regarding putting up layers of rugs, etc. I need clarification on how to and what materials to use, (as cheap as possible), that I could affix, screw in or whatever to the ceiling and possibly something on the walls (?) that would successfully reduce the amount of noise. If you have specifics regarding materials, posting a link to Home Depot web pages would be helpful. http://www.homedepot.com Otherwise, the general name of a material is good enough. It's a rental, so I can't go crazy with marring the ceiling. But I guess I could put in screws that can later be filled in. I am just going to do something to the bedroom only; roughly a 20 ft. by 12 ft area. Whatever ideas people have; don't worry about how it will look; I could always drape something over whatever work is there. Thanks A LOT for any input. |
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888eight888 wrote:
Hello, Between the ceiling and the floor of the upstairs apartment and mine; there is no insulation. (snip) As far as putting something on my side of the ceiling; I've heard that Home Depot has "foam boards" and I've heard of ideas regarding putting up layers of rugs, etc. I need clarification on how to and what materials to use, (as cheap as possible), that I could affix, screw in or whatever to the ceiling and possibly something on the walls (?) that would successfully reduce the amount of noise. As "noname87" wrote, getting your upstairs neighbours a carpet would be quite effective. It would considerably reduce sharp knocks although it would not do much for the "thump" of footsteps. Some apartments have a clause in the lease that floors should be carpeted - it would be worth checking if this applies to your neighbours. There have been a lot of problems in recent years from people taking up fitted carpets and putting in fancy wooden floors There is no effective insulation that you can stick to the ceiling. To have a useful effect you need an independent heavy layer, not solidly connected to the existing ceiling. There are also things that could be done in the apartment above (apart from a carpet), but would involve taking the floor up and would not be so effective as an independent ceiling. -- Tony W My e-mail address has no hyphen - but please don't use it, reply to the group. |
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Try nonames idea, carpet will stop the impact and absorb the noise
before it hits the floor, let your lanlord talk to them, who knows maybe they are crummy tennants and he can tell them to quiet down also, |
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If the sound you hear is the tap of something hitting a hard surface, then
some carpet upstairs would do wonders. If the construction is wood frame, and you are hearing a low frequency thump, there is nothing you will be able to do about it. Solutions to these problems require changes in basic construction, not simple add-ons. "888eight888" wrote in message oups.com... Hello, Between the ceiling and the floor of the upstairs apartment and mine; there is no insulation. Not only can I hear every footstep, but the neighbors are extremely active; something is constantly hitting the floor unannounced. (Don't ask - I don't know, either.) The landlord doesn't want to pay for/put in any insulation. Apparently, it would involve ripping up the ceilings. As far as putting something on my side of the ceiling; I've heard that Home Depot has "foam boards" and I've heard of ideas regarding putting up layers of rugs, etc. I need clarification on how to and what materials to use, (as cheap as possible), that I could affix, screw in or whatever to the ceiling and possibly something on the walls (?) that would successfully reduce the amount of noise. If you have specifics regarding materials, posting a link to Home Depot web pages would be helpful. http://www.homedepot.com Otherwise, the general name of a material is good enough. It's a rental, so I can't go crazy with marring the ceiling. But I guess I could put in screws that can later be filled in. I am just going to do something to the bedroom only; roughly a 20 ft. by 12 ft area. Whatever ideas people have; don't worry about how it will look; I could always drape something over whatever work is there. Thanks A LOT for any input. |
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888eight888 wrote:
Hello, Between the ceiling and the floor of the upstairs apartment and mine; there is no insulation. Not only can I hear every footstep, but the neighbors are extremely active; something is constantly hitting the floor unannounced. (Don't ask - I don't know, either.) The landlord doesn't want to pay for/put in any insulation. Apparently, it would involve ripping up the ceilings. Frankly you have a really difficult problem. Take a look at: http://www.soundproofing.org/ Good Luck -- Joseph Meehan Dia duit |
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888eight888 wrote in message Whatever ideas people have; don't worry about how it will look; I could always drape something over whatever work is there. Thanks A LOT for any input. I keep a noise machine and a fan running all night. I live in a house, but it's noisy since there's a Walgreen's store behind me. It works great as far as sleeping through anything goes, but the downside is, I wouldn't hear someone in my house or something like that, and I can't sleep anywhere that doesn't have the white noise going. Good luck. Cheri |
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Whatever ideas people have; don't worry about how it will look; I could always drape something over whatever work is there. Thanks A LOT for any input. Is the noise 24 hrs. a day? Only daytime? Neighbors have kids? Pets? If all that you hear is people walking around during the day, I would do nothing but get used to it or try to get to know them before bringing it up. If kids play in the room, not much you can do. If the upstairs room is not carpeted, you could offer to pay half with the landlord to install carpet. There are condo's that do not allow tile floors on any but the ground floor, for noise reasons. Could be a local code, but that is a PIA. Nailing something heavy like carpet is likely to get the landlord upset and potentially damage the ceiling. There are ceiling treatments that have a "tent" effect, with cloth gathered in middle of room and fastened around the wall. Could be fastened with tack strips and finishing nails. I would be concerned about fire hazard and weight, but a light-weight, lofty fabric might cut the noise. Moving might be easier ) |
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Otherwise, the general name of a material is good enough. It's a rental, so I can't go crazy with marring the ceiling. But I guess I could put in screws that can later be filled in. I am just going to do something to the bedroom only; roughly a 20 ft. by 12 ft area. Whatever ideas people have; don't worry about how it will look; I could always drape something over whatever work is there. Thanks A LOT for any input. Since it's rental you can't modify the building enough to really matter. What you CAN do is build yourself a fairly specialized peice of furniture, sort of like this one: http://www.kistefosmobler.no/skei-skuff.htm And soundproof that. If you go that route, figure out how you're going to get it out through a 28" basement doorway when you move, first. |
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888eight888 wrote: Hello, Between the ceiling and the floor of the upstairs apartment and mine; there is no insulation. Not only can I hear every footstep, but the neighbors are extremely active; something is constantly hitting the floor unannounced. (Don't ask - I don't know, either.) The landlord doesn't want to pay for/put in any insulation. Apparently, it would involve ripping up the ceilings. As far as putting something on my side of the ceiling; I've heard that Home Depot has "foam boards" and I've heard of ideas regarding putting up layers of rugs, etc. I need clarification on how to and what materials to use, (as cheap as possible), that I could affix, screw in or whatever to the ceiling and possibly something on the walls (?) that would successfully reduce the amount of noise. If you have specifics regarding materials, posting a link to Home Depot web pages would be helpful. http://www.homedepot.com Otherwise, the general name of a material is good enough. It's a rental, so I can't go crazy with marring the ceiling. But I guess I could put in screws that can later be filled in. I am just going to do something to the bedroom only; roughly a 20 ft. by 12 ft area. Whatever ideas people have; don't worry about how it will look; I could always drape something over whatever work is there. Thanks A LOT for any input. Do you have a air conditioner there? Keep it running. Your only real option is to mask the noise. This is the problem with apartment living. The construction is so flimsy and was never engineered for sound proofing, except some higher end apartments. Get some ear plugs for night time if you don't like the air running all the time. |
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"888eight888" wrote in message oups.com... Hello, Between the ceiling and the floor of the upstairs apartment and mine; there is no insulation. Not only can I hear every footstep, but the neighbors are extremely active; something is constantly hitting the floor unannounced. (Don't ask - I don't know, either.) The landlord doesn't want to pay for/put in any insulation. Apparently, it would involve ripping up the ceilings. As far as putting something on my side of the ceiling; I've heard that Home Depot has "foam boards" and I've heard of ideas regarding putting up layers of rugs, etc. I need clarification on how to and what materials to use, (as cheap as possible), that I could affix, screw in or whatever to the ceiling and possibly something on the walls (?) that would successfully reduce the amount of noise. If you have specifics regarding materials, posting a link to Home Depot web pages would be helpful. http://www.homedepot.com Otherwise, the general name of a material is good enough. It's a rental, so I can't go crazy with marring the ceiling. But I guess I could put in screws that can later be filled in. I am just going to do something to the bedroom only; roughly a 20 ft. by 12 ft area. Whatever ideas people have; don't worry about how it will look; I could always drape something over whatever work is there. Thanks A LOT for any input. Forget about foam board or fabric on the ceiling. Both big hazards in a fire. The fumes from the foam can kill, and both will wick any flames to engulf the whole room in seconds. I second what others have said about white noise generators, or earplugs. Think of it as motivation to move. I live in a house now, but did 20+ years in an apartment, always ground floor. But I am half-deaf in one ear, so I would just put my good ear into the pillow. Yes, I had to buy a Real Loud alarm clock, and still often slept through it, unless I happened to roll over in the night. aem sends... |
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ameijers wrote:
"888eight888" wrote in message oups.com... Hello, Between the ceiling and the floor of the upstairs apartment and mine; there is no insulation. Not only can I hear every footstep, but the neighbors are extremely active; something is constantly hitting the floor unannounced. (Don't ask - I don't know, either.) The landlord doesn't want to pay for/put in any insulation. Apparently, it would involve ripping up the ceilings. As far as putting something on my side of the ceiling; I've heard that Home Depot has "foam boards" and I've heard of ideas regarding putting up layers of rugs, etc. I need clarification on how to and what materials to use, (as cheap as possible), that I could affix, screw in or whatever to the ceiling and possibly something on the walls (?) that would successfully reduce the amount of noise. If you have specifics regarding materials, posting a link to Home Depot web pages would be helpful. http://www.homedepot.com Otherwise, the general name of a material is good enough. It's a rental, so I can't go crazy with marring the ceiling. But I guess I could put in screws that can later be filled in. I am just going to do something to the bedroom only; roughly a 20 ft. by 12 ft area. Whatever ideas people have; don't worry about how it will look; I could always drape something over whatever work is there. Thanks A LOT for any input. Forget about foam board or fabric on the ceiling. Both big hazards in a fire. The fumes from the foam can kill, and both will wick any flames to engulf the whole room in seconds. I second what others have said about white noise generators, or earplugs. Think of it as motivation to move. I live in a house now, but did 20+ years in an apartment, always ground floor. But I am half-deaf in one ear, so I would just put my good ear into the pillow. Yes, I had to buy a Real Loud alarm clock, and still often slept through it, unless I happened to roll over in the night. aem sends... Thanks for the input, all... I do have the white noise; it's helpful but not an ultimate solution/compromise. I (now) have an idea what I am going to try... I forgot to mention that I just moved in - and was exhausted after the first night of sleeping in a room where people kept waking me up at all hours of the night. When I told the landlord, (about the third day of living here); he nastily suggested that I "move out" because "no one else" had "ever" (in the past) complained before. I did not take kindly to that statement or his tone..(If it's such a great place, why was it vacant for me to rent?) Here is an excerpt from the conversation: Me: "Hello, Mr. LL, it's Me.." LL: "Yeth, thwir, howth mayth I helpth youthhh?" Me: "Listen, I just moved in - the people upstairs kept me up all night. I hear everything - there is no insulation." LL: "Welth, there with nothwing I canth doo.." Me: "But you contracted with me that you would provide a 'peaceful, inhabitable environment' - which it is not." LL: "WHAAAAAA! I whhaaant my monwee!!!!" Me: "But, sir..if you just hear me out..." LL: "Monweee! Monweeeeeeee! GA GOO BA BAAA MONWEEEEE!!!!". Me: "Well, okay...but I may have to reconsider this situation." LL: "BAAAAADDD MAAANNNNNNN!! MONWEEEEEE GOOOOOOOOOOOODTHHH!!!!!!!" (As you can see, it was a difficult conversation.) |
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Me: "But you contracted with me that you would provide a 'peaceful,
**inhabitable environment' - which it is not." **"habitable"... |
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"888eight888" wrote in message oups.com... Hello, Between the ceiling and the floor of the upstairs apartment and mine; there is no insulation. Not only can I hear every footstep, but the neighbors are extremely active; something is constantly hitting the floor unannounced. (Don't ask - I don't know, either.) The landlord doesn't want to pay for/put in any insulation. Apparently, it would involve ripping up the ceilings. As far as putting something on my side of the ceiling; I've heard that Home Depot has "foam boards" and I've heard of ideas regarding putting up layers of rugs, etc. I need clarification on how to and what materials to use, (as cheap as possible), that I could affix, screw in or whatever to the ceiling and possibly something on the walls (?) that would successfully reduce the amount of noise. If you have specifics regarding materials, posting a link to Home Depot web pages would be helpful. http://www.homedepot.com Otherwise, the general name of a material is good enough. It's a rental, so I can't go crazy with marring the ceiling. But I guess I could put in screws that can later be filled in. I am just going to do something to the bedroom only; roughly a 20 ft. by 12 ft area. Whatever ideas people have; don't worry about how it will look; I could always drape something over whatever work is there. Thanks A LOT for any input. See if your landlord will let you move to another apartment. The noise may be grounds for breaking your lease. |
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I do have the white noise; it's helpful but not an ultimate solution/compromise. I (now) have an idea what I am going to try... I forgot to mention that I just moved in - and was exhausted after the first night of sleeping in a room where people kept waking me up at all hours of the night. For what it's worth, what's keeping you up isn't the noise level, it's your sense that the noises aren't "right". If you can convince your hind-brain that the noise is a normal and expected part of the environment, it will cease to bother you. People sleep near, and on planes, trains, fire stations, and all kinds of other noisy places (Like the deep woods). *YOU'VE* probably slept in noisier places. Screaming fights are one thing, but you should be able to adapt to just normal moving-around sounds. --Goedjn |
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"Goedjn" wrote in message ... I do have the white noise; it's helpful but not an ultimate solution/compromise. I (now) have an idea what I am going to try... I forgot to mention that I just moved in - and was exhausted after the first night of sleeping in a room where people kept waking me up at all hours of the night. For what it's worth, what's keeping you up isn't the noise level, it's your sense that the noises aren't "right". If you can convince your hind-brain that the noise is a normal and expected part of the environment, it will cease to bother you. People sleep near, and on planes, trains, fire stations, and all kinds of other noisy places (Like the deep woods). *YOU'VE* probably slept in noisier places. Screaming fights are one thing, but you should be able to adapt to just normal moving-around sounds. --Goedjn I'm sure it's probably just the sound of the bed slamming against the wall for hours on end that has 'em at wit's end. In any event buy pink noise generator they really do work. It takes time to get used to the generator as well, but properly used they completely mask all incoming noises. |
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Goedjn wrote:
I do have the white noise; it's helpful but not an ultimate solution/compromise. I (now) have an idea what I am going to try... I forgot to mention that I just moved in - and was exhausted after the first night of sleeping in a room where people kept waking me up at all hours of the night. For what it's worth, what's keeping you up isn't the noise level, it's your sense that the noises aren't "right". If you can convince your hind-brain that the noise is a normal and expected part of the environment, it will cease to bother you. People sleep near, and on planes, trains, fire stations, and all kinds of other noisy places (Like the deep woods). *YOU'VE* probably slept in noisier places. Screaming fights are one thing, but you should be able to adapt to just normal moving-around sounds. --Goedjn Thanks for the input and ideas, all... Here is a sample to give you a general idea of the noises in question; 194KB...3 separate ones @ 16 seconds total. http://m45-2006.tripod.com/cgi-bin/6...ghborNoise.mp3 (Note: You may here some radio interference on the recording - that is not from the noise source.) |
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"888eight888" wrote in message
ups.com... Thanks for the input and ideas, all... Here is a sample to give you a general idea of the noises in question; 194KB...3 separate ones @ 16 seconds total. http://m45-2006.tripod.com/cgi-bin/6...ghborNoise.mp3 Without knowing the conditions of recording, or any reference to indicate how loud it was, it is a bit difficult to tell what it sounded like in reality. However at a guess I would say the cause is simply a very lightweight floor construction. Is your apartment purpose built or a conversion? -- Tony W My e-mail address has no hyphen - but please don't use it, reply to the group. |
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Tony wrote:
"888eight888" wrote in message ups.com... Thanks for the input and ideas, all... Here is a sample to give you a general idea of the noises in question; 194KB...3 separate ones @ 16 seconds total. http://m45-2006.tripod.com/cgi-bin/6...ghborNoise.mp3 Without knowing the conditions of recording, or any reference to indicate how loud it was, it is a bit difficult to tell what it sounded like in reality. However at a guess I would say the cause is simply a very lightweight floor construction. Is your apartment purpose built or a conversion? It's a big house with apartment units, so I suppose it wasn't originally built for that purpose. The recording is crude - it's mono and the sounds have a lot more impact in reality. I just wanted to show the characteristics of the sounds. Regarding what you said about the lightweight floor - you can hear in the second one, as the person stomps, the floor buckles... |
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"888eight888" wrote in message
ups.com... Tony wrote: "888eight888" wrote in message ups.com... Thanks for the input and ideas, all... Here is a sample to give you a general idea of the noises in question; 194KB...3 separate ones @ 16 seconds total. http://m45-2006.tripod.com/cgi-bin/6...ghborNoise.mp3 Without knowing the conditions of recording, or any reference to indicate how loud it was, it is a bit difficult to tell what it sounded like in reality. However at a guess I would say the cause is simply a very lightweight floor construction. Is your apartment purpose built or a conversion? It's a big house with apartment units, so I suppose it wasn't originally built for that purpose. The recording is crude - it's mono and the sounds have a lot more impact in reality. I just wanted to show the characteristics of the sounds. Regarding what you said about the lightweight floor - you can hear in the second one, as the person stomps, the floor buckles... Sorry the answer doesn't change: it needs structural work. Don't waste money and effort by sticking things to the ceiling. There are no magic materials that provide a certain amount of noise reduction, regardless of what ignorant manufacturers may write. Noise reduction depends totally on the conditions of use, and in your case there is nothing that you can stick on the ceiling that will have a worthwhile effect. Get used to the noise or move. -- Tony W My e-mail address has no hyphen - but please don't use it, reply to the group. |
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Bedroom in apartment: Need ideas to buffer sounds from ceiling/neighbors
Tony wrote:
"888eight888" wrote in message ups.com... Tony wrote: "888eight888" wrote in message ups.com... Thanks for the input and ideas, all... Here is a sample to give you a general idea of the noises in question; 194KB...3 separate ones @ 16 seconds total. http://m45-2006.tripod.com/cgi-bin/6...ghborNoise.mp3 Without knowing the conditions of recording, or any reference to indicate how loud it was, it is a bit difficult to tell what it sounded like in reality. However at a guess I would say the cause is simply a very lightweight floor construction. Is your apartment purpose built or a conversion? It's a big house with apartment units, so I suppose it wasn't originally built for that purpose. The recording is crude - it's mono and the sounds have a lot more impact in reality. I just wanted to show the characteristics of the sounds. Regarding what you said about the lightweight floor - you can hear in the second one, as the person stomps, the floor buckles... Sorry the answer doesn't change: it needs structural work. Don't waste money and effort by sticking things to the ceiling. There are no magic materials that provide a certain amount of noise reduction, regardless of what ignorant manufacturers may write. Noise reduction depends totally on the conditions of use, and in your case there is nothing that you can stick on the ceiling that will have a worthwhile effect. Get used to the noise or move. There nust be something that would deaden sound...I understand, Tony, that you don't believe so. "Move out" or "get used to the noise" is all or nothing. If someone else has actually tried something or heard of someone else trying something successfully - let me know. I am just looking for some reduction in the impact of the noise, not complete silence. |
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Bedroom in apartment: Need ideas to buffer sounds from ceiling/neighbors
Sorry the answer doesn't change: it needs structural work. Don't waste
money and effort by sticking things to the ceiling. There are no magic materials that provide a certain amount of noise reduction, regardless of what ignorant manufacturers may write. Noise reduction depends totally on the conditions of use, and in your case there is nothing that you can stick on the ceiling that will have a worthwhile effect. Get used to the noise or move. There nust be something that would deaden sound...I understand, Tony, that you don't believe so. "Move out" or "get used to the noise" is all or nothing. If someone else has actually tried something or heard of someone else trying something successfully - let me know. I am just looking for some reduction in the impact of the noise, not complete silence. Honestly there is very little you can do to stop the noise. The best you could do is hang very heavy "blankets" down each wall, and one across the ceiling... You're talking several thousand dollars. If you are going to spend any money on this, it would be 100 times better if a "spongy" subfloor could be installed upstairs. |
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Bedroom in apartment: Need ideas to buffer sounds from ceiling/neighbors
maybe buy the upstairs neighbors [a thick white carpet and] foot
slippers for everyone. maybe trade in the super ball for a nerf ball. i had a tenant many years ago in a lower who complained about having her peace disturbed by the late night arrival of an inconsiderate upper tenant who wore "clogs" around the house was the complaint. we followed it up and got no cooperation about asking her to slip off her noisy wooden sandals at the entry. after a few subsequent inconsiderate actions like setting off the smoke alarm on several late nights after passing out from drinking after putting food in the gas oven and burning it, we asked the upper tenant to move. as a tenant, your think outside the box solution might be to find the noisy folks a nicer or bigger apartment or home with yard to rent. have a look and see if your area is listed at: www.craigslist.org don't be surprised if you find a nice place for yourself there also. you might even look for those who need an apartment like the one upstairs in the wanted list. 888eight888 wrote: Hello, Between the ceiling and the floor of the upstairs apartment and mine; there is no insulation. Not only can I hear every footstep, but the neighbors are extremely active; something is constantly hitting the floor unannounced. (Don't ask - I don't know, either.) The landlord doesn't want to pay for/put in any insulation. Apparently, it would involve ripping up the ceilings. As far as putting something on my side of the ceiling; I've heard that Home Depot has "foam boards" and I've heard of ideas regarding putting up layers of rugs, etc. I need clarification on how to and what materials to use, (as cheap as possible), that I could affix, screw in or whatever to the ceiling and possibly something on the walls (?) that would successfully reduce the amount of noise. If you have specifics regarding materials, posting a link to Home Depot web pages would be helpful. http://www.homedepot.com Otherwise, the general name of a material is good enough. It's a rental, so I can't go crazy with marring the ceiling. But I guess I could put in screws that can later be filled in. I am just going to do something to the bedroom only; roughly a 20 ft. by 12 ft area. Whatever ideas people have; don't worry about how it will look; I could always drape something over whatever work is there. Thanks A LOT for any input. |
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Bedroom in apartment: Need ideas to buffer sounds from ceiling/neighbors
888eight888 wrote:
There must be something that would deaden sound...I understand, Tony, that you don't believe so. "Move out" or "get used to the noise" is all or nothing. You are missing the point. Once the sound has entered the room space ANYWHERE, it will be heard everywhere. Imagine the smell of a skunk! No matter how much you mop up, you WILL smell the skunk. A barrier to his fumes is the only hope. If someone else has actually tried something or heard of someone else trying something successfully - let me know. We do this all the time. It is a closed barrier to the space above he ceiling. In addition to being closed, it must have mass; one or two layers of drywall. It MUST also have an independeent cavity behind it; hence either a new ceiling surface several inches below that existing, or the old inferior ceiling surface must be removed and the new ceiling on a separate support structure is to be constru cted below the old ceiling, the new dryewall back surface being exposed to the overall cavity. All joints and corneredges must be taped closed. I am just looking for some reduction in the impact of the noise, not complete silence. Anytthing other than this treatment (or incapacitation of the residents above) will fail. Angelo Campanella |
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Angelo Campanella wrote in
: 888eight888 wrote: There must be something that would deaden sound...I understand, Tony, that you don't believe so. "Move out" or "get used to the noise" is all or nothing. You are missing the point. Once the sound has entered the room space ANYWHERE, it will be heard everywhere. Imagine the smell of a skunk! No matter how much you mop up, you WILL smell the skunk. A barrier to his fumes is the only hope. If someone else has actually tried something or heard of someone else trying something successfully - let me know. We do this all the time. It is a closed barrier to the space above he ceiling. In addition to being closed, it must have mass; one or two layers of drywall. It MUST also have an independeent cavity behind it; hence either a new ceiling surface several inches below that existing, or the old inferior ceiling surface must be removed and the new ceiling on a separate support structure is to be constru cted below the old ceiling, the new dryewall back surface being exposed to the overall cavity. All joints and corneredges must be taped closed. I am just looking for some reduction in the impact of the noise, not complete silence. Anytthing other than this treatment (or incapacitation of the residents above) will fail. Angelo Campanella I vote for incapacitation of the residents above. With a last name such as yours, I would think that you might be in a position to refer the OP to people who are in that line of work. :-) |
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