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Is tinted primer + one coat of paint enough for repainting walls?
I'm getting ready to paint my new apartment and am trying to figure out
the logistics. I'm using Benjamin Moore's Regal Eggshell paint (latex). One room is currently painted dark orange, the other lime green (both also with BJ latex paint), and I'm planning to repaint both of them to light cream. The third bedroom is standard white, and I"m planning to paint that one a soft, baby blue. All three rooms are small (110-160 sq. ft) with high, 9.5 foot ceilings, and don't get much natural light (especially the orange one). My plan is to use primer tinted close to my topcoat, and follow that with only one coat of paint. The paint stores near my house charge an arm and a leg for paint and I'm on a tight budget, so I'm hoping this is doable. My question is: Can I get away with using high-quality tinted primer plus just one coat of paint? I'm especially concerned if that's possible in the orange room. I'm not looking to do a perfect job, just a decent one that I'll be happy with for the year or two I'm living there. Any advice/experience is much appreciated. |
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dont use primer same color as topcoat, a different one makes it easier
to topcoat use 2 coats for best coverage, if the rooms are small lighter colors like white will make it appear larger |
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Save money and by Behr paint at Home Depot. Kiltz at Walmart is good too.
Why pay 3 times more if you are only going to be there for a short time. wrote in message ups.com... I'm getting ready to paint my new apartment and am trying to figure out the logistics. I'm using Benjamin Moore's Regal Eggshell paint (latex). One room is currently painted dark orange, the other lime green (both also with BJ latex paint), and I'm planning to repaint both of them to light cream. The third bedroom is standard white, and I"m planning to paint that one a soft, baby blue. All three rooms are small (110-160 sq. ft) with high, 9.5 foot ceilings, and don't get much natural light (especially the orange one). My plan is to use primer tinted close to my topcoat, and follow that with only one coat of paint. The paint stores near my house charge an arm and a leg for paint and I'm on a tight budget, so I'm hoping this is doable. My question is: Can I get away with using high-quality tinted primer plus just one coat of paint? I'm especially concerned if that's possible in the orange room. I'm not looking to do a perfect job, just a decent one that I'll be happy with for the year or two I'm living there. Any advice/experience is much appreciated. |
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Its very possible you'll need a second coat to cover the darker room. It
might work if you apply enough paint. Many people roll too much before going back for more. Try one of those rollers with the built in pump for fast and even coverage. I noticed that the dark colors mixed in the deep base were worst at hiding. I suggest you buy enough for one coat and start while the paint stores are still open, It should be evident if a second coat is needed as soon as you put up the first. You'll have time to get another can before the stores close and force you to work into a second day. A good high hiding white primer should be fine, you don't need tinted unless the topcoat is a medium or dark color. Light cream sounds close to white. wrote in message ups.com... I'm getting ready to paint my new apartment and am trying to figure out the logistics. I'm using Benjamin Moore's Regal Eggshell paint (latex). One room is currently painted dark orange, the other lime green (both also with BJ latex paint), and I'm planning to repaint both of them to light cream. The third bedroom is standard white, and I"m planning to paint that one a soft, baby blue. All three rooms are small (110-160 sq. ft) with high, 9.5 foot ceilings, and don't get much natural light (especially the orange one). My plan is to use primer tinted close to my topcoat, and follow that with only one coat of paint. The paint stores near my house charge an arm and a leg for paint and I'm on a tight budget, so I'm hoping this is doable. My question is: Can I get away with using high-quality tinted primer plus just one coat of paint? I'm especially concerned if that's possible in the orange room. I'm not looking to do a perfect job, just a decent one that I'll be happy with for the year or two I'm living there. Any advice/experience is much appreciated. |
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Art wrote:
Save money and by Behr paint at Home Depot. Kiltz at Walmart is good too. Why pay 3 times more if you are only going to be there for a short time. Because he said he wanted a quality paint that would minimize the painting work. If you think about it paint is probably the least expensive part of the job so it pays to use a quality paint. |
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In article .com, " wrote:
dont use primer same color as topcoat, a different one makes it easier to topcoat When paint stores tint primer to match a finish coat, they tint it a slightly lighter shade of the same hue, so that isn't an issue. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
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Art wrote:
Save money and by Behr paint at Home Depot. Kiltz at Walmart is good too. Why pay 3 times more if you are only going to be there for a short time. wrote in message ups.com... I'm getting ready to paint my new apartment and am trying to figure out the logistics. I'm using Benjamin Moore's Regal Eggshell paint (latex). One room is currently painted dark orange, the other lime green (both also with BJ latex paint), and I'm planning to repaint both of them to light cream. The third bedroom is standard white, and I"m planning to paint that one a soft, baby blue. All three rooms are small (110-160 sq. ft) with high, 9.5 foot ceilings, and don't get much natural light (especially the orange one). My plan is to use primer tinted close to my topcoat, and follow that with only one coat of paint. The paint stores near my house charge an arm and a leg for paint and I'm on a tight budget, so I'm hoping this is doable. My question is: Can I get away with using high-quality tinted primer plus just one coat of paint? I'm especially concerned if that's possible in the orange room. I'm not looking to do a perfect job, just a decent one that I'll be happy with for the year or two I'm living there. Any advice/experience is much appreciated. I had a job with behr paint, yellow over very pale purple (lavender?) - took FOUR coats!!! behr SUCKS - it will cost you 4 times what it should in paint and time. With the top of the line benjMoore paint you MIGHT even get away with one coat, no primer! Inviato da X-Privat.Org - Registrazione gratuita http://www.x-privat.org/join.php |
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Is tinted primer + one coat of paint enough for repainting walls?
Unfortunately, cheaper paint is not really an option for two reasons:
(1) Having read about the unreliable quality of cheaper paints, I'm really hesitant to try a cheaper paint, especially because I'm a novice at this; and (2) I live in Manhattan and I don't have a car, so I'm stuck shopping at one of the paint stores near my house. The paint I want to get (Benjamin Williams) runs $42/gallon, whereas their primer is a little over half of that, hence, the temptation to use a coat of primer and one coat, instead of two coats of paint. I've heard that as a general rule, you should always use primer before you start, but given that (1) you said primer will offer poor coverage of the old, darker colors; and (2) at least two of the rooms (the orange and lime green ones) were painted with latex Benjamin Moore, do you think I should just skip the primer and do two coats of paint? Thanks to everyone for all the great advice. |
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Is tinted primer + one coat of paint enough for repainting walls?
wrote in message ups.com... My plan is to use primer tinted close to my topcoat, and follow that with only one coat of paint. The paint stores near my house charge an arm and a leg for paint and I'm on a tight budget, so I'm hoping this is doable. My question is: Can I get away with using high-quality tinted primer plus just one coat of paint? For a light color, you don't need a tinted primer. Use white primer. That will allow you to see areas you didn't cover, or didn't cover well, which would be much more difficult with a tinted primer. One coat may be enough, butr if not, just put on a thin 2nd coat. |
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Is tinted primer + one coat of paint enough for repainting walls?
Do I wait for the first coat of paint to completely dry before I put on
the second coat? Would this take a few hours, or should I wait a day? And when I'm applying the second coat, do I cut in around the edges and walls first with a brush, like I'm planning to do with the first coat of paint? Or should I just use a roller the second time around and paint as close to the edges as possible (would that cause lines to appear between the first and second coats around the edges because I didn't cut in)? Apologies for the ignorant novice questions; I've never painted before. I tried asking the sales clerk at the paint store for advice about these details, but he more or less doesn't know (and unfortunately, doesn't care, either). |
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wrote in message oups.com... do you think I should just skip the primer and do two coats of paint? Yes, I think you can probably get by with two coats. I would use masking tape to tape off a small area - few square inches - in an inconspicuous part of the room - in a dark corner near the floor - and give it two coats with a sponge brush. This will give you a very good idea of how it will turn out. $42.00 a gal. is high - check the 'oops' bin for light shaded neutrals. |
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I REALLY like Behr, been using it over 10 years and never disappointed.
Kilz would be a good primer |
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wrote in message ups.com... Do I wait for the first coat of paint to completely dry before I put on the second coat? Would this take a few hours, or should I wait a day? And when I'm applying the second coat, do I cut in around the edges and walls first with a brush, like I'm planning to do with the first coat of paint? I've painted many a room and this is what works for me. Cut in first. Roll on one coat of paint. Don't be sloppy, but don't try to stretch the paint either. By the time you get the first coat on, it is dry enough to put a second coat. If you did a good job of cutting it, you won't have to go over it again. Maybe a light spot will show up, but that is minimal. The second coat goes fast and does not have to be as heavy. An average sized bedroom takes a gallon of paint. If you have high ceilings and large rooms, two may be needed. It may look uneven at first, but when it dries, it will look OK. If you have paint left over, put some in a jar and seal it well. This will be handy if you need a touchup in the next few months. |
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Consumer Reports gave both brands excellent reviews.
"George" wrote in message ... Art wrote: Save money and by Behr paint at Home Depot. Kiltz at Walmart is good too. Why pay 3 times more if you are only going to be there for a short time. Because he said he wanted a quality paint that would minimize the painting work. If you think about it paint is probably the least expensive part of the job so it pays to use a quality paint. |
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Last time I used BM I didn't find it to be anything special.
"No" wrote in message ... Art wrote: Save money and by Behr paint at Home Depot. Kiltz at Walmart is good too. Why pay 3 times more if you are only going to be there for a short time. wrote in message ups.com... I'm getting ready to paint my new apartment and am trying to figure out the logistics. I'm using Benjamin Moore's Regal Eggshell paint (latex). One room is currently painted dark orange, the other lime green (both also with BJ latex paint), and I'm planning to repaint both of them to light cream. The third bedroom is standard white, and I"m planning to paint that one a soft, baby blue. All three rooms are small (110-160 sq. ft) with high, 9.5 foot ceilings, and don't get much natural light (especially the orange one). My plan is to use primer tinted close to my topcoat, and follow that with only one coat of paint. The paint stores near my house charge an arm and a leg for paint and I'm on a tight budget, so I'm hoping this is doable. My question is: Can I get away with using high-quality tinted primer plus just one coat of paint? I'm especially concerned if that's possible in the orange room. I'm not looking to do a perfect job, just a decent one that I'll be happy with for the year or two I'm living there. Any advice/experience is much appreciated. I had a job with behr paint, yellow over very pale purple (lavender?) - took FOUR coats!!! behr SUCKS - it will cost you 4 times what it should in paint and time. With the top of the line benjMoore paint you MIGHT even get away with one coat, no primer! Inviato da X-Privat.Org - Registrazione gratuita http://www.x-privat.org/join.php |
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By the way, read the label about how to paint. Always keep a wet edge which
means paint a strip, paint a strip next to it and keep on going. Never go back to a partially dried area until it is completely dry for recoat. "PipeDown" wrote in message ink.net... Its very possible you'll need a second coat to cover the darker room. It might work if you apply enough paint. Many people roll too much before going back for more. Try one of those rollers with the built in pump for fast and even coverage. I noticed that the dark colors mixed in the deep base were worst at hiding. I suggest you buy enough for one coat and start while the paint stores are still open, It should be evident if a second coat is needed as soon as you put up the first. You'll have time to get another can before the stores close and force you to work into a second day. A good high hiding white primer should be fine, you don't need tinted unless the topcoat is a medium or dark color. Light cream sounds close to white. wrote in message ups.com... I'm getting ready to paint my new apartment and am trying to figure out the logistics. I'm using Benjamin Moore's Regal Eggshell paint (latex). One room is currently painted dark orange, the other lime green (both also with BJ latex paint), and I'm planning to repaint both of them to light cream. The third bedroom is standard white, and I"m planning to paint that one a soft, baby blue. All three rooms are small (110-160 sq. ft) with high, 9.5 foot ceilings, and don't get much natural light (especially the orange one). My plan is to use primer tinted close to my topcoat, and follow that with only one coat of paint. The paint stores near my house charge an arm and a leg for paint and I'm on a tight budget, so I'm hoping this is doable. My question is: Can I get away with using high-quality tinted primer plus just one coat of paint? I'm especially concerned if that's possible in the orange room. I'm not looking to do a perfect job, just a decent one that I'll be happy with for the year or two I'm living there. Any advice/experience is much appreciated. |
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Any ace hardware stores? Or true value. Their paint is ok too.
Of course you are going to hear complaints about Behr paint. A zillion people use it. $42 for a gallon of BM? There has to be an alternative. "Marian Shanley" wrote in message news:Rrtbg.215$PX3.180@trndny09... wrote in message oups.com... do you think I should just skip the primer and do two coats of paint? Yes, I think you can probably get by with two coats. I would use masking tape to tape off a small area - few square inches - in an inconspicuous part of the room - in a dark corner near the floor - and give it two coats with a sponge brush. This will give you a very good idea of how it will turn out. $42.00 a gal. is high - check the 'oops' bin for light shaded neutrals. |
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I wish I were a wealthy yuppie. If I were, I wouldn't be sitting here
asking whether I can save money by using primer instead of paint. Or, come to think of it, I wouldn't even be painting the walls myself - I would've just hired painters to do the work for me. Unfortunately, most things in Manhattan are uncomfortably expensive, and not everyone's salary here (including mine, heh) fully accomodates the higher cost of living. I don't even live in a hip, desirable, or particularly expensive neighorhood, at least not by Manhattan standards. It's just the price you pay for living where everyone else wants to live (or at least thinks they do). Anyways, I digress.. The alternative I have to not painting is living with bright orange paint through the extremely hot, humid upcoming summer, and considering how much heat a color like that could hold, I'd rather cough up the money and do a good paint job. Thanks again to everyone for all the invaluable advice. |
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$42??????? You must be some wealthy yuppie!
I wish I were a wealthy yuppie. If I were, I wouldn't be sitting here asking whether I can save money by using primer instead of paint. Or, come to think of it, I wouldn't even be painting the walls myself - I would've just hired painters to do the work for me. Since you seem familiar with the area, I'm sure you know that a lot of basic things can be uncomfortably expensive in Manhattan, especially for newer residents who haven't sifted through the vast amount of retail for the places that offer decent prices. Oh, yeah, and if you're using a roller you obviously don't care about the finish. I'm confused; every how-to guide I've come across on-line recommends a roller. Are you referring to spraying the paint on as a better option? I also mentioned earlier that I'm not expecting to do a perfect job (especially since this is my first time painting). But you're probably right; I just want to live with a color less jarring than the ones on my wall right now, and I probably wouldn't care if other methods resulted in a better finish. I will check out those other paint stores, though. And thanks to everyone for all the invaluable advice. |
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ups.com... I'm getting ready to paint my new apartment and am trying to figure out the logistics. I'm using Benjamin Moore's Regal Eggshell paint (latex). One room is currently painted dark orange, the other lime green (both also with BJ latex paint), and I'm planning to repaint both of them to light cream. The third bedroom is standard white, and I"m planning to paint that one a soft, baby blue. All three rooms are small (110-160 sq. ft) with high, 9.5 foot ceilings, and don't get much natural light (especially the orange one). My plan is to use primer tinted close to my topcoat, and follow that with only one coat of paint. The paint stores near my house charge an arm and a leg for paint and I'm on a tight budget, so I'm hoping this is doable. My question is: Can I get away with using high-quality tinted primer plus just one coat of paint? I'm especially concerned if that's possible in the orange room. I'm not looking to do a perfect job, just a decent one that I'll be happy with for the year or two I'm living there. Any advice/experience is much appreciated. I suggest that you use at least one primer coat of a pigmented shellac like Zinsser's BIN. While you have to take some simple precautions due to the alcoholic fumes, it has two big positives. 1. It dries quickly so you can recoat or apply your topcoat without making the painting project take a week. 2. It hides the previous surface quite well. Think of priming as rendering your "canvas" white. Once your wall is white, or pretty close, you should only need one topcoat of even a medium quality paint to completely cover the primer coat(s) and whatever may still be peeking through. Whatever still peaks through will be much less intense and will have a primer coat over it so a topcoat should cover it. I have used this technique on many different colored walls and it has always been successful for me. I admit that I do use a very high quality 100% acrylic paint for the topcoats but I can clearly see that a standard vinyl or vinyl / acrylic blend would work just fine. I can apply two primer coats and one topcoat in one day with no problem. I always wait at least 24 hours before applying a second topcoat. Good Luck. |
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wrote: Oh, yeah, and if you're using a roller you obviously don't care about the finish. Roller finish quality is a function of the nap thickness of the roller cover and the paint. Saying all roller finishes are lacking is misleading. In any event, the OP is a tenant, looking to get a couple of years out of the paint job, and is totally new to painting. I'd tend to doubt that she believes that she is going to get a factory perfect sprayed lacquer finish look her first time out. A roller with a 1/4" nap will work just fine. All rollers regardless of nap length produce a stippled effect; it's the nature of the beast. But you don't need to go to the expense (and skill requirement) of spraying: a smooth surface, especially on a wall, can easily be achieved using brush and paint pad. This method has the added advantage of allowing the application of more paint per coat. |
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Art wrote:
Consumer Reports gave both brands excellent reviews. "George" wrote in message ... Art wrote: Save money and by Behr paint at Home Depot. Kiltz at Walmart is good too. Why pay 3 times more if you are only going to be there for a short time. Because he said he wanted a quality paint that would minimize the painting work. If you think about it paint is probably the least expensive part of the job so it pays to use a quality paint. Can't say anything about Kilz but Behr is junk. And this is not from just one experience with one color or situation. I can buy much better quality paint at a real paint store for pennies difference. |
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Art wrote:
Last time I used BM I didn't find it to be anything special. It depends what version you buy. Both Sherwin and Benjamin Moore have low end paint designed to meet a price point such as you would find at hd and a line of quality stuff. Their low end paint is one step above the hd premium stuff. |
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In my experience SW is junk. It cleans up well off the brushes because it
doens't adhere worth a crap. "George" wrote in message ... Art wrote: Last time I used BM I didn't find it to be anything special. It depends what version you buy. Both Sherwin and Benjamin Moore have low end paint designed to meet a price point such as you would find at hd and a line of quality stuff. Their low end paint is one step above the hd premium stuff. |
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Art wrote:
In my experience SW is junk. It cleans up well off the brushes because it doens't adhere worth a crap. So far someone has trashed every brand of paint. Does that mean they all suck? What's that old saying about opinions...? R |
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In article et, Norminn wrote:
You don't normally need to prime a wall that is already painted. Not normally, but in a case such as this -- where he's painting over a color that will be difficult to hide -- a tinted stain-blocking primer can be a great help. Priming is not for color - it is for adhesion and sealing in stains. Buy cheap paint and you will likely need more coats than if you used a quality paint, like Ben Moore. Absolutely right. Cheap paint is usually more expensive in the long run. Two coats of paint is normal. Right again. Dark color with light over it may need a third coat. Or two coats over a tinted primer -- which may well be less expensive. Depends partly on the size of the room: for example, if one can of paint is not enough for two coats, but two cans is enough for three, then skip the primer. You do need to be sure the wall is clean and free of dust. Any good household cleaner, rinse and dry. Amen! Too many people omit this step... then post here wondering why the paint is peeling. :-) -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
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In fact paint does suck these days compared to decades ago. That is because
of environmental concerns and ingredients which can no longer be used in paint. But some are worse than others. Plus some paint companies are less than ethical. A friend of mine had a summer job when he was young and in school pouring paint from old damaged cans into new cans for sale. That is why sometimes when you get a can of paint you feel like you need to filter it thru cheese cloth before using it. Best thing to do is to return it. "RicodJour" wrote in message s.com... Art wrote: In my experience SW is junk. It cleans up well off the brushes because it doens't adhere worth a crap. So far someone has trashed every brand of paint. Does that mean they all suck? What's that old saying about opinions...? R |
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Art wrote:
In my experience SW is junk. It cleans up well off the brushes because it doens't adhere worth a crap. Sure, if you paint over dirt or grease. My house and a number of apartments I own are painted with SW paint and I am quite pleased with how tough the paint is and how well it holds up. I started using it on the advice of someone who owns hundreds of apartments. We were painting some rooms that were freshly drywalled and people actually thought the primer was the top coat because of how well it covered. |
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Doug Miller wrote:
In article et, Norminn wrote: You don't normally need to prime a wall that is already painted. Not normally, but in a case such as this -- where he's painting over a color that will be difficult to hide -- a tinted stain-blocking primer can be a great help. Primers have a lot less hiding power than paint. Why would you prime and paint when two coats of paint would cover better? |
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In article t, Norminn wrote:
Doug Miller wrote: In article et, Norminn wrote: You don't normally need to prime a wall that is already painted. Not normally, but in a case such as this -- where he's painting over a color that will be difficult to hide -- a tinted stain-blocking primer can be a great help. Primers have a lot less hiding power than paint. Why would you prime and paint when two coats of paint would cover better? You're missing the point. Two finish coats is a given anyway. The question is one coat of tinted blocking primer plus two finish coats, vs. three finish coats. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
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