I know one must use primer on raw wood for good performance of the paint
that ultimately covers it. My question is - what is in primer that does
the "priming" ? It looks for all the world like regular old paint, so
why don't they just put the stuff that's in there right in the paint so
we can just paint without multiple steps?

Yeah, I know that to pro painters this is probably a dumb question, but
I'll bet there are others out there who wonder about that every once in
a while too - so flame if you must, but I'm just wondering.

I've bought just such a thing at Walmart. McCloskies (spelling?) brand. Used
it on some block piers at a cottage. Been there over a year, no problems
yet. Block did suck it up a bit but I did one coat and it looks fine.

"Steve Henderson" wrote in message
...
I know one must use primer on raw wood for good performance of the paint
that ultimately covers it. My question is - what is in primer that does
the "priming" ? It looks for all the world like regular old paint, so
why don't they just put the stuff that's in there right in the paint so
we can just paint without multiple steps?

Yeah, I know that to pro painters this is probably a dumb question, but
I'll bet there are others out there who wonder about that every once in
a while too - so flame if you must, but I'm just wondering.

Steve Henderson wrote:
I know one must use primer on raw wood for good performance of the paint
that ultimately covers it. My question is - what is in primer that does
the "priming" ? It looks for all the world like regular old paint, so
why don't they just put the stuff that's in there right in the paint so
we can just paint without multiple steps?

Yeah, I know that to pro painters this is probably a dumb question, but
I'll bet there are others out there who wonder about that every once in
a while too - so flame if you must, but I'm just wondering.

Same reason they don't put the peanut butter in the jelly?

Norminn wrote:



Steve Henderson wrote:

I know one must use primer on raw wood for good performance of the
paint that ultimately covers it. My question is - what is in primer
that does the "priming" ? It looks for all the world like regular
old paint, so why don't they just put the stuff that's in there right
in the paint so we can just paint without multiple steps?

Yeah, I know that to pro painters this is probably a dumb question,
but I'll bet there are others out there who wonder about that every
once in a while too - so flame if you must, but I'm just wondering.


Same reason they don't put the peanut butter in the jelly?

They tried, a few years ago. It didn't sell!

On 13 Sep 2004, Steve Henderson wrote

I know one must use primer on raw wood for good performance of the
paint that ultimately covers it. My question is - what is in
primer that does the "priming" ? It looks for all the world like
regular old paint, so why don't they just put the stuff that's in
there right in the paint so we can just paint without multiple
steps?

Primer, as far as I can tell, sticks to the wood but doesn't sink in.

Maybe it's not possible in chemical terms to marry a true "non-sink-in"
characteristic with a regular paint -- which is either absorbed by the
underlying material or has to sit on top of another barrier paint
layer.

(??Maybe??)

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Cheers,
Harvey

Norminn wrote:



Steve Henderson wrote:
I know one must use primer on raw wood for good performance of the
paint that ultimately covers it. My question is - what is in primer
that does the "priming" ? It looks for all the world like regular
old paint, so why don't they just put the stuff that's in there
right in the paint so we can just paint without multiple steps?

Yeah, I know that to pro painters this is probably a dumb question,
but I'll bet there are others out there who wonder about that every
once in a while too - so flame if you must, but I'm just wondering.

Same reason they don't put the peanut butter in the jelly?

http://www.smuckers.com/fg/pds/defau...d=4&prodid=106



Brian

one quality of primer is 'teeth'. little 'hooks' in it that grab.

randy

"Steve Henderson" wrote in message
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I know one must use primer on raw wood for good performance of the paint
that ultimately covers it. My question is - what is in primer that does the
"priming" ? It looks for all the world like regular old paint, so why
don't they just put the stuff that's in there right in the paint so we can
just paint without multiple steps?

Yeah, I know that to pro painters this is probably a dumb question, but
I'll bet there are others out there who wonder about that every once in a
while too - so flame if you must, but I'm just wondering.

On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 14:25:06 -0500, Steve Henderson wrote:

I know one must use primer on raw wood for good performance of the paint
that ultimately covers it. My question is - what is in primer that does
the "priming" ? It looks for all the world like regular old paint, so
why don't they just put the stuff that's in there right in the paint so
we can just paint without multiple steps?

Yeah, I know that to pro painters this is probably a dumb question, but
I'll bet there are others out there who wonder about that every once in
a while too - so flame if you must, but I'm just wondering.

You want different things in a topcoat, such as depth in a high-gloss.
Primer you're just hoping is a very sticky base that never peels and
sticks to anything.
The depth (thus, low solids content) is opposite what a primer has
(high-solids content to hide the underlying surface and provide a
starting point for your color).
That's at least two reasons for separate base/top.

"Steve Henderson" wrote in message
...
I know one must use primer on raw wood for good performance of the paint
that ultimately covers it. My question is - what is in primer that does
the "priming" ? It looks for all the world like regular old paint, so
why don't they just put the stuff that's in there right in the paint so
we can just paint without multiple steps?

Depending on what you're trying to cover, basically paint is primer. Some
block stains, some fill in rough surfaces, etc.

"Scott Packard" wrote in message
news

You want different things in a topcoat, such as depth in a high-gloss.
Primer you're just hoping is a very sticky base that never peels and
sticks to anything.
The depth (thus, low solids content) is opposite what a primer has
(high-solids content to hide the underlying surface and provide a
starting point for your color).

Except when you don't need gloss, and high solids means good coverage and
hiding.

Steve Henderson wrote:
I know one must use primer on raw wood for good performance of the paint
that ultimately covers it. My question is - what is in primer that does
the "priming" ? It looks for all the world like regular old paint, so
why don't they just put the stuff that's in there right in the paint so
we can just paint without multiple steps?

Paint is a slurry combining "tinting agents", "binding agents", and
something to hold it all together.

Primer is heavy on the binding agents. The binding agents can cause the
paint, when used as topcoat, to clump against itself and create a lumpy
appearance when viewed up close. This can be just fine in a lot of
cases, but most people want a better finish than primer can provide.

Put it this way. Primer holds on tight to the wood, and to the topcoat.
But without primer, the paint holds on tight to itself. Thus, peeling
and coming off in multi-inch sheets.

Steve Henderson wrote:
I know one must use primer on raw wood for good performance of the
paint that ultimately covers it. My question is - what is in primer
that does the "priming" ? It looks for all the world like regular
old paint, so why don't they just put the stuff that's in there
right in the paint so we can just paint without multiple steps?

Primer - oil primer - has a much higher percentage of linseed oil. It's the
oil that does the priming.

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A MAJOR help in my opinion is to preload the brush with the proper
solvent, thinner for oil paints. Stops the finish from starting to
dry near the ferrule stiffening the brush and makes clean-up much
easier. I grew up with oil paints and learned this hint a few years
ago. Wish it had been 60 years ago!

On 15 Sep 2004 11:49:31 GMT, Ed Clarke wrote:

The problem that I'm having with it is that I need Alkyd primer and I seriously HATE cleaning
up oil paint.

wrote in message
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A MAJOR help in my opinion is to preload the brush with the proper
solvent, thinner for oil paints. Stops the finish from starting to
dry near the ferrule stiffening the brush and makes clean-up much
easier.

Yes, and the same goes for water based paints (in that case preload the
brush with the proper solvent again - water.)