Reasons for creating a new newsgroup. From the posts I have
made to alt.binaires.schematics.electronic , the realization
is a.b.s.e is not suited for many multipart files. PDF binaries
are large and have been posted, but I can not u/l large files,
so I break them up to smaller meg files. I am told that
I'm flooding a.b.s.e If this is flooding, then I suggest a
newsgroup aimed specifically at posting electronics related
data. I've been told I'm breaking copyright laws. The data
sheets that I was posting are obsolete, TI, Phillips/Signetics
do not support obsolete devices, they could care less about
obsolete. Othere users have posted manuals and I'm sure they
have also been warned about breaking copyright laws.
If the manufacturer does not exist anymore, who is going to
complain about corporate copyright law? There's no there
at headquarters, it's been turned into a shopping mall?
The main problem is not the copyright issue, it has to do
with users who are complaining about "flooding" a.b.s.e
with so many files. It's about new people introduced to the
internet & don't know how to use/configure their newsreader.


I did a google search and came upon this doc,

http://nylon.net/alt/index.htm#Naming

If a new group is to be justified, its topic must already
be under discussion somewhere in existing Usenet groups.
The question is: under what circumstances is a new group
warranted?

1. If the topic is consistently dominating discussion in a
more general group (e.g. 80% of discussion in alt.books.horror
is about one author). Forming a new group because of this
reason is called "splitting". If you want to form a newsgroup
by splitting from an existing group, you should discuss the
idea of a new group in the existing group before coming to
alt.config with a proposal. People have to agree that there
is a logical way to split the discussion. The old and new
group would both be need to be viable after the split.



The topic I have been posting are the multi-part rar files
to a.b.s.e , which no one seems to understand what to do with
them. If there's a new newsgroup to handle all these files,
then it would be much less of an annoyance. Users have complained
"what the hell are these f*&king things, get the f%$k out of here"
This tells you that some users don't know a thing about a common
archiving file, rar. They complain about par files. There have
been too many complaints on how to use a newsreader, what
newsreaders are there, why are these users trying use a web
browser to read newsgroups? I have been told the files are porn
related. How is a datasheet porn material? I've been told
all these files are related to music and video files. How
are the datasheets related to music and video?
I have not posted any porn, music or video files.

Again, this boils down to the complainers who don't know what
to do with so many files, so they related the rar and par files
to the web sites they have visited, the porn newsgroups, the
music newsgroups, the digital video newsgroups.

I've been told" read the f#*king a.b.s.e. charter.
There is no charter for a.b.s.e , never has been, never will be.
In the beginning a.b.s.e was created for just what I'm doing,
posting of binary files, pdfs, executables, binaries. How is
anyone going to post an executable without breaking it up
to smaller files? But now, what I'm doing is called flooding
a.b.s.e . Even with the current users in a.b.s.e, complainers
will probably complain about copyright of executables.

With all this complaining, no one from anyother newsgroup,
will ever post their program or project. No has ever posted
cad files, pcb files, because they have to break up these files,
use zip-split? Someone will complain they are flooding the
newsgroup.

Over the years the internet has grown in leaps and bounds.
PC Hardware & software increasing more & more. Connection
speed dsl, cable modem, gigs at a time. Students run
multi-terabye servers for their summer job or intern job.

This is the year 2006 and a new newsgroup to handle
multi-part binary files should be introduced.

I propose new newsgroup : alt.binaries.electronics

CHARTER: alt.binaries.electronics is for; 1) the support of
design, development, prototype and repair of electronic and
electrical equipment , 2) to support those that maintain
obsolete equipment , 3) a place for those users needing to
post multi-part binary files dealing with electronics.
The multi-part binary files can be of the format Zip, WinRar
and Par. As time goes on and better archiving software becomes
available, this charter will add those archiving software.

The newsgroup will be moderated. Off-topic binaries, spam
and advertising posts are not permitted. Discussion of hacks,
cracks, warez, serial numbers or the illegal exchange of
copyrighted software is banned.


as per http://nylon.net/alt/index.htm#Naming

People have to agree that there is a logical way to split the
discussion. The old and new group would both be needed to be
viable after the split.


I see no problem here. Some of the electronic data I have posted
dose not exist on any web page.

Binaries', as they are called, are messages that have attachments
that are not pure text: they include photos, programs, WAV files,
Word documents, animations etc)

ALL GROUPS that are meant to have binaries posted to them must be
under alt.binaries.* or similar groups.

Don't ask for a binaries group unless you really need it.


I am asking for a news newsgroup to use for the present and
future postings.


Before creating a new ALT newsgroup, the big question is whether
there is really a need for it. The net gods will always ask for
numerical justification for the creation of a new group.

RELEVANCE: you can only count messages if their discussion is
relevant to your groups's topic. The fact that a certain word
appears in a message does not guarantee that the message can
be counted as relevant for justification purposes.


This a call for a vote. I am not looking for off topic discussion,
not looking for being called I'm stupid, get lost.

This a call for a vote.

On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 03:04:03 +0000, newtype wrote:


Reasons for creating a new newsgroup. From the posts I have
made to alt.binaires.schematics.electronic , the realization
is a.b.s.e is not suited for many multipart files. PDF binaries
are large and have been posted, but I can not u/l large files,
so I break them up to smaller meg files. I am told that
I'm flooding a.b.s.e If this is flooding, then I suggest a
newsgroup aimed specifically at posting electronics related
data. I've been told I'm breaking copyright laws. The data
sheets that I was posting are obsolete, TI, Phillips/Signetics
do not support obsolete devices, they could care less about
obsolete. Othere users have posted manuals and I'm sure they
have also been warned about breaking copyright laws.
If the manufacturer does not exist anymore, who is going to
complain about corporate copyright law? There's no there
at headquarters, it's been turned into a shopping mall?
The main problem is not the copyright issue, it has to do
with users who are complaining about "flooding" a.b.s.e
with so many files. It's about new people introduced to the
internet & don't know how to use/configure their newsreader.



***snip***


This a call for a vote.

Hi Newtype,

I have been a keen viewer of the group alt.binaries.schematics.electronic
for quite some time. Most weeks there have only been 10 or 20 posts, until
you commenced posting the copies of the datasheets.

The problem I have seen with what you have been doing is probably related
to the sudden change in the traffic loading of the group, and the settings
that most ISP's have for a group like a.b.s.e that normally has a low
posting volume, and I would suspect a relatively low number of readers.
The ISP's have the retention on the group set to a low level, this means
that most of the posts you have been putting up are useless from my ISP
(one of the larger ones in Australia!), as there are numerous parts to
each post that have already rolled off the server by the time the last
parts turn up.

I have a suggestion for you, reduce the number of posts you put up each
day, posting about a quarter of the volume each day should cure the
retention problems that most people are upset over. I do not believe there
is a need for another group.


Pip

Pippa Reeves wrote in
news
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 03:04:03 +0000, newtype wrote:


Reasons for creating a new newsgroup. From the posts I have
made to alt.binaires.schematics.electronic , the realization
***snip***

This a call for a vote.

Hi Newtype,
I have been a keen viewer of the group alt.binaries.schematics.electronic
for quite some time. Most weeks there have only been 10 or 20 posts, until
you commenced posting the copies of the datasheets.
.... snip ...

I have a suggestion for you, reduce the number of posts you put up each
day, posting about a quarter of the volume each day should cure the
retention problems that most people are upset over. I do not believe
there is a need for another group.
Pip

Reducing the posts wont change the current state of a.b.s.e
The current users of a.b.s.e don't know why there are so many files
to begin with. I want a newsgroup where this will be a problem.
I created a Charter, as per alt.config rules. I state that the new
newsgroup will be for multi-part files. Since there is no charter
for a.b.s.e , no one seems to understand how to use a binary newsgroup.

Even if I post 10 files, that's 10 files too many. That's called
"Flooding" . I seriously doubt it. I posted 1 file and that was
spewed all over. Yet I got response from 5 users for more "You got
anymore..? It dosen't make a difference now, too many hate mongers
out. Too many new users that don't know how to use a newsreader.

On 26 Dec 2005 03:04:03 GMT, newtype
wrote:


Reasons for creating a new newsgroup. From the posts I have
made to alt.binaires.schematics.electronic , the realization
is a.b.s.e is not suited for many multipart files. PDF binaries
are large and have been posted, but I can not u/l large files,
so I break them up to smaller meg files. I am told that
I'm flooding a.b.s.e If this is flooding, then I suggest a
newsgroup aimed specifically at posting electronics related
data. I've been told I'm breaking copyright laws. The data
sheets that I was posting are obsolete, TI, Phillips/Signetics
do not support obsolete devices, they could care less about
obsolete. Othere users have posted manuals and I'm sure they
have also been warned about breaking copyright laws.
If the manufacturer does not exist anymore, who is going to
complain about corporate copyright law? There's no there
at headquarters, it's been turned into a shopping mall?
The main problem is not the copyright issue, it has to do
with users who are complaining about "flooding" a.b.s.e
with so many files. It's about new people introduced to the
internet & don't know how to use/configure their newsreader.


I did a google search and came upon this doc,

http://nylon.net/alt/index.htm#Naming

If a new group is to be justified, its topic must already
be under discussion somewhere in existing Usenet groups.
The question is: under what circumstances is a new group
warranted?

1. If the topic is consistently dominating discussion in a
more general group (e.g. 80% of discussion in alt.books.horror
is about one author). Forming a new group because of this
reason is called "splitting". If you want to form a newsgroup
by splitting from an existing group, you should discuss the
idea of a new group in the existing group before coming to
alt.config with a proposal. People have to agree that there
is a logical way to split the discussion. The old and new
group would both be need to be viable after the split.



The topic I have been posting are the multi-part rar files
to a.b.s.e , which no one seems to understand what to do with
them. If there's a new newsgroup to handle all these files,
then it would be much less of an annoyance. Users have complained
"what the hell are these f*&king things, get the f%$k out of here"
This tells you that some users don't know a thing about a common
archiving file, rar. They complain about par files. There have
been too many complaints on how to use a newsreader, what
newsreaders are there, why are these users trying use a web
browser to read newsgroups? I have been told the files are porn
related. How is a datasheet porn material? I've been told
all these files are related to music and video files. How
are the datasheets related to music and video?
I have not posted any porn, music or video files.

Again, this boils down to the complainers who don't know what
to do with so many files, so they related the rar and par files
to the web sites they have visited, the porn newsgroups, the
music newsgroups, the digital video newsgroups.

I've been told" read the f#*king a.b.s.e. charter.
There is no charter for a.b.s.e , never has been, never will be.
In the beginning a.b.s.e was created for just what I'm doing,
posting of binary files, pdfs, executables, binaries. How is
anyone going to post an executable without breaking it up
to smaller files? But now, what I'm doing is called flooding
a.b.s.e . Even with the current users in a.b.s.e, complainers
will probably complain about copyright of executables.

With all this complaining, no one from anyother newsgroup,
will ever post their program or project. No has ever posted
cad files, pcb files, because they have to break up these files,
use zip-split? Someone will complain they are flooding the
newsgroup.

Over the years the internet has grown in leaps and bounds.
PC Hardware & software increasing more & more. Connection
speed dsl, cable modem, gigs at a time. Students run
multi-terabye servers for their summer job or intern job.

This is the year 2006 and a new newsgroup to handle
multi-part binary files should be introduced.

I propose new newsgroup : alt.binaries.electronics

CHARTER: alt.binaries.electronics is for; 1) the support of
design, development, prototype and repair of electronic and
electrical equipment , 2) to support those that maintain
obsolete equipment , 3) a place for those users needing to
post multi-part binary files dealing with electronics.
The multi-part binary files can be of the format Zip, WinRar
and Par. As time goes on and better archiving software becomes
available, this charter will add those archiving software.

The newsgroup will be moderated. Off-topic binaries, spam
and advertising posts are not permitted. Discussion of hacks,
cracks, warez, serial numbers or the illegal exchange of
copyrighted software is banned.


as per http://nylon.net/alt/index.htm#Naming

People have to agree that there is a logical way to split the
discussion. The old and new group would both be needed to be
viable after the split.


I see no problem here. Some of the electronic data I have posted
dose not exist on any web page.

Binaries', as they are called, are messages that have attachments
that are not pure text: they include photos, programs, WAV files,
Word documents, animations etc)

ALL GROUPS that are meant to have binaries posted to them must be
under alt.binaries.* or similar groups.

Don't ask for a binaries group unless you really need it.


I am asking for a news newsgroup to use for the present and
future postings.


Before creating a new ALT newsgroup, the big question is whether
there is really a need for it. The net gods will always ask for
numerical justification for the creation of a new group.

RELEVANCE: you can only count messages if their discussion is
relevant to your groups's topic. The fact that a certain word
appears in a message does not guarantee that the message can
be counted as relevant for justification purposes.


This a call for a vote. I am not looking for off topic discussion,
not looking for being called I'm stupid, get lost.

This a call for a vote.

---
What you're _really_ looking for is a way to get off the hook for
being stupid, and you figure that if you can get a newsgroup created
with a charter which will fall more or less in line with allowing
unwanted flooding to occur, then it won't be you who was wrong, it
was everyone else.

You're a ****ing idiot, and getting a newsgroup created won't change
that. Regardless of what you're looking for, we'll give you what
we want to, and if you don't like it, then take a ****ing hike.

There is no need for a newsgroup such as you propose and,
consequently, there is no need for a call for votes. What there is
a need for is for you to get over your little fit of pique and come
to the realization that no one asked for much of the material you
posted, which you did merely to annoy us for 'daring' to criticize
your indiscriminate posting of unrequested material for your own
egotistical, vindictive reasons.

Moderated too, huh?

LOL, _You're_ the one who needs to get lost.


--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer

You need to see an anger management specialist.


John Fields wrote in
news
On 26 Dec 2005 03:04:03 GMT, newtype
wrote:

Reasons for creating a new newsgroup. From the posts I have
made to alt.binaires.schematics.electronic , the realization
.... big snip ...
This a call for a vote. I am not looking for off topic discussion,
not looking for being called I'm stupid, get lost.


---
What you're _really_ looking for is a way to get off the hook for
being stupid, and you figure that if you can get a newsgroup created
with a charter which will fall more or less in line with allowing
unwanted flooding to occur, then it won't be you who was wrong, it
was everyone else.


I don't want to get off any hook. Someone wanted a ML4410 datasheet.
I scanned the datasheet to a pdf and I posted it, in multiple parts
of rars & pars to a.b.s.e , since it was a pdf binaray file.
YOU Personally, must own a.b.s.e ? I posted binary files to a
binaries newsgroup, what newsgroup law did I break? None.

Current users of a.b.s.e don't know what to do with rar and par
files, don't know how to use/configure newsreaders, accusing me
of posting files that look like they belong in a porn newsgroup,
music or video. Where's the problem here? humm, lack of
understanding, judgment ?


"I was told 'Go read the f*#king charter" . I did look for a
charter and a.b.s.e dosen't have a charter, never did.

I propose a newsgroup and I made a charter. And here you are again
attacking me, harassing me. I'm dead certain if there was a
company representatvie you'd be fired for harassment.


You're a ****ing idiot, and getting a newsgroup created won't change
that. Regardless of what you're looking for, we'll give you what
we want to, and if you don't like it, then take a ****ing hike.

From a professional, I would't expect less. Your kind always badgers
belittles everyone else. Creating a new newsgroup to accept the
'flooding' as you call it, Creating a charter that states multiple
part files are allowed... why am I a f@&king idiot for that ?

Beside someone else said there's alt.binaries.ebook.technical
That's where I'll be posting the datasheets I have. I did look
for a alt.binaries , I missed a.b.e.t .


There is no need for a newsgroup such as you propose and,
consequently, there is no need for a call for votes.

If the current users of the newsgroup a.b.s.e , can't except multiple
part files, then I proposed a new newsgroup that will carry multiple
part files. Call it flooding? Get a life old man yeller, at this
rate you'll get an ulcer or heart attack at your age for sure.


What there is a need for is for you to get over your little fit
of pique and come to the realization that no one asked for much
of the material you posted, which you did merely to annoy us for
'daring' to criticize your indiscriminate posting of unrequested
material for your own egotistical, vindictive reasons.


You need to see an anger management specialist.

As I said before,there was a request for a ML4410 datasheet and
I posted it to an electronics newsgroup for binaries, a.b.s.e .
You object to posting binaries? Nope, you object to me posting
because in the past 2 or 3 weeks, there were jpgs of a building
project in san francisco, a 'copyrighted' manual for a wavetek
175 that was 13megs,(a typical big pdf file), and other 'copyrighted'
manual posts, which you have no problem with. I don't recall anyone
asking for these expilitly. But when I post a jpg with 4 ECL ICs
on a static, you attack me " ... You F*%king idiot." .

I was asked for any early prom info. I posted the sginetics 1975
datasheet, I got 2 request from the newsgroup for a 82s129 and 82s100.
I don't remember anyone asking you explictly for ML4410, 82s129, 82s100
datasheets. It's hard to mind your own business at your age huh?


Moderated too, huh? LOL, _You're_ the one who needs to get lost.

I've volunteered as a moderator back in school, I know the hours,
it's not impossible. Just some robot software progams ? What's the
big deal? Your just attacking and harassing me. I can only wonder
if your the one who's been send me spam email?

On 26 Dec 2005 17:58:43 GMT, newtype
wrote:

You need to see an anger management specialist.

---
Blow me.
---

John Fields wrote in
news
On 26 Dec 2005 03:04:03 GMT, newtype
wrote:

Reasons for creating a new newsgroup. From the posts I have
made to alt.binaires.schematics.electronic , the realization
... big snip ...
This a call for a vote. I am not looking for off topic discussion,
not looking for being called I'm stupid, get lost.


---
What you're _really_ looking for is a way to get off the hook for
being stupid, and you figure that if you can get a newsgroup created
with a charter which will fall more or less in line with allowing
unwanted flooding to occur, then it won't be you who was wrong, it
was everyone else.


I don't want to get off any hook. Someone wanted a ML4410 datasheet.
I scanned the datasheet to a pdf and I posted it, in multiple parts
of rars & pars to a.b.s.e , since it was a pdf binaray file.
YOU Personally, must own a.b.s.e ? I posted binary files to a
binaries newsgroup, what newsgroup law did I break? None.

---
No one has a quarrel with your posting files that were asked for or,
AFAIK, that they were RARs. You might have posted, if you thought
that anyone might have trouble with PARs, where they could get the
software they needed to decode them. What everybody was bitching
about was the _quantity_ of material which you were posting which
wasn't requested. That's been stated over and over again. Why are
you having so much trouble understanding that?
---

Current users of a.b.s.e don't know what to do with rar and par
files, don't know how to use/configure newsreaders, accusing me
of posting files that look like they belong in a porn newsgroup,
music or video. Where's the problem here? humm, lack of
understanding, judgment ?

---
Not at all. I'm sure most of us know how to decode RARs, and a
flood or RARs and their associated PARs looks the same no matter
what newsgroup they're posted to. The comments about the porn and
video groups were probably because your flood made the headers look
the same on abse as they do there, if only becuse of their volume.
---

"I was told 'Go read the f*#king charter" . I did look for a
charter and a.b.s.e dosen't have a charter, never did.

I propose a newsgroup and I made a charter. And here you are again
attacking me, harassing me. I'm dead certain if there was a
company representatvie you'd be fired for harassment.

---
You need to get over being so thin-skinned if you want to play.

Especially when you consider that we (I, in any case) consider
harrassment to be what you've been doing with your unsolicited posts
after we've asked you to stop.

So, it's PKB, plain and simple.

If you want to try to get me fired send an email to
with your complaints and see what
happens. You might get lucky. But I'm about to retire antway, so it
won't make difference anyway.
---

You're a ****ing idiot, and getting a newsgroup created won't change
that. Regardless of what you're looking for, we'll give you what
we want to, and if you don't like it, then take a ****ing hike.

From a professional, I would't expect less. Your kind always badgers
belittles everyone else.

---
No, just the worms who like to pretend to be snakes.
---

Creating a new newsgroup to accept the
'flooding' as you call it, Creating a charter that states multiple
part files are allowed... why am I a f@&king idiot for that ?

---
Because it's all unnecessary.
---

Beside someone else said there's alt.binaries.ebook.technical
That's where I'll be posting the datasheets I have.

---
Why? Does anyone really want them? Have you received requests for
them?
---

There is no need for a newsgroup such as you propose and,
consequently, there is no need for a call for votes.

If the current users of the newsgroup a.b.s.e , can't except multiple
part files, then I proposed a new newsgroup that will carry multiple
part files. Call it flooding?

---
No, what you did on abse was flooding. What you're proposing with
the new group is what I call stupidity.
---

Get a life old man yeller, at this
rate you'll get an ulcer or heart attack at your age for sure.

---
Seems like _you're_ the one thrashing around, stressed to the max
about being harrassed and all the rest of it. I'm coasting, dude.
---

What there is a need for is for you to get over your little fit
of pique and come to the realization that no one asked for much
of the material you posted, which you did merely to annoy us for
'daring' to criticize your indiscriminate posting of unrequested
material for your own egotistical, vindictive reasons.


You need to see an anger management specialist.

---
If I were angry I'd probably agree with you, but since I'm not I'd
have to say you were just taking pot-shots.
---

As I said before,there was a request for a ML4410 datasheet and
I posted it to an electronics newsgroup for binaries, a.b.s.e .
You object to posting binaries? Nope, you object to me posting
because in the past 2 or 3 weeks, there were jpgs of a building
project in san francisco, a 'copyrighted' manual for a wavetek
175 that was 13megs,(a typical big pdf file), and other 'copyrighted'
manual posts, which you have no problem with. I don't recall anyone
asking for these expilitly. But when I post a jpg with 4 ECL ICs
on a static, you attack me " ... You F*%king idiot." .

---
I don't have any problems with any of the posts you mention because
they're typically one-time events or things most of us who have been
here for a while are interested in or would like to see.

For instance, the building in San Franscisco was a fortune cookie
factory that John Larkin, the owner of Highland Technologies bought
for two million dollars and is converting to be his company's new
facility. John's been around here for a while and his stuff mostly
interesting, so he gets points for that. The rest of the stuff,
like the Wavetek manual and whatever, gets posted once, ostensibly
because someone asked for it, and its done with.

You, on the other hand are a stranger here with no points and the
first thing you do is start posting hundreds of megabytes of stuff
that NO ONE wants to see and when you're asked to quit you get all
defensive and post even more.
---

I was asked for any early prom info. I posted the sginetics 1975
datasheet, I got 2 request from the newsgroup for a 82s129 and 82s100.

---
Fine. like I said before, I don't think anyone got upset because
you posted stuff that was asked for, what the problem was was that
when you were asked to stop posting stuff no one had asked for, not
only did you not stop, you posted more just to rub our noses in it.
---

I don't remember anyone asking you explictly for ML4410, 82s129, 82s100
datasheets. It's hard to mind your own business at your age huh?

---
Not at all. I'm a member of this newsgroup and have been for a long
time, so if some newbie asshole like you comes along and starts
upsetting people I've grown to like over time, my friends, then it
_is_ my business. What does age have to do with it?
---

Moderated too, huh? LOL, _You're_ the one who needs to get lost.

I've volunteered as a moderator back in school, I know the hours,
it's not impossible. Just some robot software progams ? What's the
big deal?

---
The _want_ to be a moderator.

Go check out misc.business.product-dev; you might find a soul mate
there.
---

Your just attacking and harassing me. I can only wonder
if your the one who's been send me spam email?

---
Hey, you're supposed to be the one with the internet skills and the
fake email address, so go find out.

Lemme know what you find, OK?

--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer

John Fields wrote in
:

On 26 Dec 2005 17:58:43 GMT, newtype
wrote:
You need to see an anger management specialist.

---
Blow me.
---

Your know there's a good book written called "The Four Agreements"
Before you die of a heart attack, you should seriously read it.


.... snip...

I don't want to get off any hook. Someone wanted a ML4410
datasheet. I scanned the datasheet to a pdf and I posted it, in
multiple parts of rars & pars to a.b.s.e , since it was a pdf
binaray file. YOU Personally, must own a.b.s.e ? I posted
binary files to a binaries newsgroup, what newsgroup law did I
break? None.

---
No one has a quarrel with your posting files that were asked for
or, AFAIK, that they were RARs. You might have posted, if you
thought that anyone might have trouble with PARs, where they
could get the software they needed to decode them. What
everybody was bitching about was the _quantity_ of material
which you were posting which wasn't requested. That's been
stated over and over again. Why are you having so much trouble
understanding that?
---

Wrong. Everyone has a quarrel, even you. I got withing 3 days hate
emails. "Stop what you are doing immediately." "You dumb f%@king
******* your ruining the newsgroup with your spam floods"
"I can't read what you are posting, my screen wont stop scrolling?"

well, finally a user with a returnable emial address, so I point
out, large files must be split up into smaller files, so news servers
can pass the data easily. Large data files get rejected. Try using
xnews, agent, gbabit, news xpress, all free.

I take a 10meg pdf file and make 10 1meg rar files and 3pars.
10 rar files is flooding the newsgroup? I highly doubt it.
Your mind is twisted.

And from the newsgroup the same person saying, my screen wont stop
scrooling. same message with a different public email?

What spam? This user sees alot of files. Unknown files.
"What the f#*k are these spammer!" Well they are rar files.
I'll use what ever archiving tool I want to. No one has a right
to tell me what archiving software to use, what operating sytem,
nothing.


Current users of a.b.s.e don't know what to do with rar and par
files, don't know how to use/configure newsreaders, accusing me
of posting files that look like they belong in a porn newsgroup,
music or video. Where's the problem here? humm, lack of
understanding, judgment ?

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Not at all. I'm sure most of us know how to decode RARs, and a
flood or RARs and their associated PARs looks the same no matter
what newsgroup they're posted to. The comments about the porn
and video groups were probably because your flood made the
headers look the same on abse as they do there, if only becuse
of their volume. ---

10 small 1meg files, binary files that when uncoded is a datasheet
of an obsolete IC. 10 1meg files is not considered "VOLUME" by todays
internet traffic standards. The comments about the porn,
video & music, is because they have visited those sites. Why are
they there in those places? Your don't like a newsgroup, you
don't subscribe to it? It's 2 clicks to unsubscribe.
It's 2 clicks to kill a poster. "Roy L. Fuchs" , that's good.

There were like 5+ msgs saying to use someother newsreader.
Simple. Will that work. Nope. no one in a.b.s.e. is willing to use a
modern newsreader. Some email basher wants to know how to use
Outlook to read what I'm posting?


"I was told 'Go read the f*#king charter" . I did look for a
charter and a.b.s.e dosen't have a charter, never did.
I propose a newsgroup and I made a charter. And here you are
again attacking me, harassing me. I'm dead certain if there was
a company representatvie you'd be fired for harassment.

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You need to get over being so thin-skinned if you want to play.

Especially when you consider that we (I, in any case) consider
harrassment to be what you've been doing with your unsolicited
posts after we've asked you to stop.

wrong. Not un-solicited. There was a request for a ML4410
datasheet and I posted it to an electronics newsgroup for
binaries, a.b.s.e . You object to posting binaries?

The newsgroup a.b.s.e. is a public forum for binaries, PDFs
executables, pictures. There is no charter, because it's self
explanitory "a.binaries.s.e" . History, a long time ago when a.b.s.e
was created. people started to u/l 100's of zip files , I mean 100's
of zip files of their programs. freeware, shareware, new pkarc, new
lharc, new zip, 100's of files of their programs they wrote. Along
came 100's of virus's too.

This is the meaning of 'floods'. the past 5 years saw the "flood"
of foreign porn pics, 1000's of porn files. There were posts
of 100's of zip files for a new cad program. This was all
before Web pages became popular. Who needs a newsgroup with all
the people complaining. Make a web page, no sweat. And there was much
rejoicing to the newsgroups, no more binary floods.
Back then no one knew about kill files, except the unix/linux users.

You don't know what flood means, as with other users in a.b.s.e
You see a bunch of files and that means it's porn. There have been
over 10 msgs to a.b.s.e from users, use another newsreader, agent,
xnews, etc. To no avail, the 3 monkeys attitude.

There is no charter for a.b.s.e I propose a new newsgroup with a
charter. A charter to support multi-part files for binaries.
You do not have to subscribe to a new newsgroup. No one is forcing
you. The internet/usenet is open to everybody.



So, it's PKB, plain and simple.

If you want to try to get me fired send an email to
with your complaints and see
what happens. You might get lucky. But I'm about to retire
antway, so it won't make difference anyway.
---

No. Firing would be too easy. You need to see a psych doctor.
Visit, after visit, after visit. Nothing as sweet as torture.


You're a ****ing idiot, and getting a newsgroup created won't
change that. Regardless of what you're looking for, we'll
give you what we want to, and if you don't like it, then take
a ****ing hike.

From a professional, I would't expect less. Your kind always
badgers belittles everyone else.

It seems that f#*k is in your only vocabulary? Since you've been
following me around to specifics newsgroups, your like a stalker?
You accuse me of cross posting? In your news header, you have lined
up more than 10 newsgroups. I only have one! I visit every newsgroup
every so often.

You are the one that's doing all the cross postings.


Creating a new newsgroup to accept the 'flooding' as you call it,
Creating a charter that states multiple part files are allowed...
why am I a f@&king idiot for that ?

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Because it's all unnecessary.
---

It is necessary and it's no big deal to create a new newsgroup. You
write one up, get a vote and present it. It's no big deal if You
subscribe to it or not, that is your choice, that is called freedom.
You, and others on a.b.s.e, don't know how to decode rars are
complaining, hell your stalking me around the internet.

Your complaning about the 'flood' of files! You have said it over
and over again, "Stop your dumg f*#k flood of files" .
It is necessary to understand the difference between posting
multi-part binary files to binaries newsgroup and flooding
a binaries newsgroup whit off topic binaries. You don't post
1000's of porn pics from europe, russia, asia.

You don't post 100's files pertaining to religion, poetry,
humanities. That is called flooding.

I wrote a charter for the new newsgroup. I clearly state for posting
multi-part binary files.


Beside someone else said there's alt.binaries.ebook.technical
That's where I'll be posting the datasheets I have.

---
Why? Does anyone really want them? Have you received requests
for them?
---

Beside being retirement age, your loosing your memory too?
I posted to a.b.s.e the 82s129 and there was one guy who said can I
repost rar 11 and 14. Is this not a request? I got a request for the
82s100. Iin your mind is this a request? Your still inflamed about
the flood issue. All of the files I posted to a.b.s.e were
pertinent to electronics, they were datasheets. they were multi-part
binary rars that when combined back together to make the pdf, was a
datasheet of obsolete TTL PROMs.


There is no need for a newsgroup such as you propose and,
consequently, there is no need for a call for votes.

If the current users of the newsgroup a.b.s.e , can't except
multiple part files, then I proposed a new newsgroup that will
carry multiple part files. Call it flooding?

There's no need for a new newsgroup now, as was pointed out
there's another newgroup being flooded as we speak. I swear I
looked thru 100's of binary newsgroups, just missed that one.
Must be 800+ newsgroups by now?

.... snip ...

As I said before,there was a request for a ML4410 datasheet and
I posted it to an electronics newsgroup for binaries, a.b.s.e .
You object to posting binaries? Nope, you object to me posting
because in the past 2 or 3 weeks, there were jpgs of a building
project in san francisco, a 'copyrighted' manual for a wavetek
175 that was 13megs,(a typical big pdf file), and other
'copyrighted' manual posts, which you have no problem with. I
don't recall anyone asking for these expilitly. But when I post
a jpg with 4 ECL ICs on a static, you attack me " ... You
F*%king idiot." .

---
I don't have any problems with any of the posts you mention
because they're typically one-time events or things most of us
who have been here for a while are interested in or would like
to see.

Wrong. The moment I posted the rar files, all you a-holes jumped all
over my case. You attaced me with spam email, attacked me in the
newsgroup. I put 5 of you in the kill file. Electronic datasheet pdf
spilt up into rars, so they can be propogated newsgroups servers.
And I reached requests from Arizona, England, Australia, Colorado.
No one has asked you for a datasheet.
I got asked, I posted the electronic datasheets to a newsgroup
created for binary files. This is where these files belong.
And you are telling me not to post files in a newsgroup created for
just reason, to post electronic data in binary form.

You dont have any right in telling anyone what to do.


For instance, the building in San Franscisco was a fortune
cookie factory that John Larkin, the owner of Highland
Technologies bought for two million dollars and is converting to
be his company's new facility.

2 million dollars!!! You are saying that it is perfectly fine for
someone who is rich to post pics & pdfs to a.b.s.e , but I can't
because I don't make that kind of money. No one asked JLarkin,
but you pester me over & over. You 'demand' who request those dumb
ass datasheets? I don't have to tell you anything. Your no body.
Your just a badgering piece of scum.


.... snip...

The rest of the stuff, like the Wavetek manual and whatever, gets
posted once, ostensibly because someone asked for it, and its
done with.

By your own words " who requested it". I'll answer... no one!
Was it a copyright Wavetek manual. YES. Wavetek could sue that guys
ass off. But you say the obsolete datasheets I post are coyrighted
material. Who is are you going to call if the company called end of
life to IC? The company dosen't exist. What I mean is there's no
company, the factory is part of parking mall, shopping center, part
of freeway. What is right and wrong here?

You have been carrying on a double standard.

I havn't reposted the full datasheet have I. NO. It's in your mind,
You have decided to "own" alt.binaries.schematics.electronics
It is a god given right for you to protect a.b.s.e from everyone. You
are not a moderator, you are not a net cop. Your a nobody but a
paying customer to a ISP. The internet was created to be an open door
to the world. You have decided it is your duty to slam shut the doors
of freedom posting, where on-topic correct posting is due. You are a
vilganty.


You, on the other hand are a stranger here with no points and
the first thing you do is start posting hundreds of megabytes of
stuff that NO ONE wants to see and when you're asked to quit you
get all defensive and post even more.
---

I was asked for any early prom info. I posted the signetics 1975
datasheet, I got 2 request from the newsgroup for a 82s129 and
82s100.

The internet was created to open the doors to strangers, to break
down barriers. You don't control the internet, You don't control any
newsgroup, your not a moderator. Your no body. I don't need any
points to subscribe, join, a newsgroup. Nobody needs priviliges to
join a newsgroup.

100's of megs? I can't fathom... I can't count 100's of megs.
I can count 100's of 1meg files, that when made back into the PDFs,
makes up less than 40megs across 5 datasheets.


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Fine. like I said before, I don't think anyone got upset
because you posted stuff that was asked for, what the problem
was was that when you were asked to stop posting stuff no one
had asked for, not only did you not stop, you posted more just
to rub our noses in it. ---

I don't remember anyone asking you explictly for ML4410, 82s129,
82s100 datasheets. It's hard to mind your own business at your
age huh?

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Not at all. I'm a member of this newsgroup and have been for a
long time, so if some newbie asshole like you comes along and
starts upsetting people I've grown to like over time, my
friends, then it _is_ my business. What does age have to do
with it? ---

I'l ask you again, DID anyone ask you explictly for ML4410, 82s129,
82s100 datasheets. ans. NO. I demand you tell me who has asked you
for a datasheet? ans: _____ ? clueless.

You are not part of any controlling overseeing governing group of a
newsgroup. You are not a net god from alt.config or any governing
newsgroup panel overseer.

You have no basis of complaining on what I have posted. All you have
is your own personal gains. As pointed out above, Only the rich
people who make 2,000,000.00 dollars can post without being harassed,
spammed. Only member with points can post binaries? What newsgroup
points!!! There never has been a point system, a rating system?
In your twisted old feeble head, you made up this point system.



Moderated too, huh? LOL, _You're_ the one who needs to get
lost.

I've volunteered as a moderator back in school, I know the
hours, it's not impossible. Just some robot software progams ?
What's the big deal?

---
The _want_ to be a moderator. Go check out
misc.business.product-dev; you might find a soul mate there.
---

Wrong. read 'FAQs and Posting Guidelines for news.groups.reviews'
Summary: This posting describes how to write a review for
news.groups.reviews and answers some questions on the moderation of
that group.


Your just attacking and harassing me. I can only wonder
if your the one who's been send me spam email?

---
Hey, you're supposed to be the one with the internet skills and
the fake email address, so go find out.
Lemme know what you find, OK?


I find that you are a self proclaimed newsgroup controller with no
credentials to be so. Your living in the past century, don't know the
worldly internet is changing. The $100.00 portable is already on the
plate and billions of people are going to be connected to the
internet.

I don't want to be a moderator, but if it means starting a new
newsgroup, it's worth it since i've done it before and you havn't. To
filter out non-related topics to a new newsgroup is well worth it. A
new newsgroup will have very little traffic at 1st. I can always
request the new newsgroup be un-moderated. It's no big deal.

On 27 Dec 2005 01:03:53 GMT, newtype
wrote:


I find that you are a self proclaimed newsgroup controller with no
credentials to be so. Your living in the past century, don't know the
worldly internet is changing. The $100.00 portable is already on the
plate and billions of people are going to be connected to the
internet.

---
Which means that inconsiderate, self-righteous people like you, who
have little regard for the wishes of others and can't seem to
understand that unwanted material wastes resources, will continue to
SPAM newsgroups with gigabytes of useless, unwanted information.
---

I don't want to be a moderator, but if it means starting a new
newsgroup, it's worth it since i've done it before and you havn't. To
filter out non-related topics to a new newsgroup is well worth it. A
new newsgroup will have very little traffic at 1st. I can always
request the new newsgroup be un-moderated. It's no big deal.

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You are truly an idiot.

--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer

Let me ask you a simple question, besides all the blah blah blah.
Have you seen any further psots from me in
Alt.Binaries.Schematics.electronics ?
Just a simple yes or no ?

ans : ___

On 28 Dec 2005 00:48:30 GMT, newtype
wrote:

Let me ask you a simple question, besides all the blah blah blah.
Have you seen any further psots from me in
Alt.Binaries.Schematics.electronics ?
Just a simple yes or no ?

ans : ___

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What's a 'psot'?

--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer

"John Fields" wrote in message
...
On 28 Dec 2005 00:48:30 GMT, newtype
wrote:

Let me ask you a simple question, besides all the blah blah blah.
Have you seen any further psots from me in
Alt.Binaries.Schematics.electronics ?
Just a simple yes or no ?

ans : ___

---
What's a 'psot'?

Whats pedantric?

On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 01:55:26 GMT, "Simon" wrote:


"John Fields" wrote in message
.. .
On 28 Dec 2005 00:48:30 GMT, newtype
wrote:

Let me ask you a simple question, besides all the blah blah blah.
Have you seen any further psots from me in
Alt.Binaries.Schematics.electronics ?
Just a simple yes or no ?

ans : ___

---
What's a 'psot'?

Whats pedantric?

---
There's no such word as 'pedantric', and you missed the apostrophe
in 'what's'.


--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer

"John Fields" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 01:55:26 GMT, "Simon" wrote:


"John Fields" wrote in message
.. .
On 28 Dec 2005 00:48:30 GMT, newtype
wrote:

Let me ask you a simple question, besides all the blah blah blah.
Have you seen any further psots from me in
Alt.Binaries.Schematics.electronics ?
Just a simple yes or no ?

ans : ___

---
What's a 'psot'?

Whats pedantric?

---
There's no such word as 'pedantric', and you missed the apostrophe
in 'what's'.

wow another spelling flame. You really are a sad little ****. are you bald
50 inch waist and have constant sweat patches under your arms? Get a f'ing
life for god's sake. COuld you not understand the OP's question even with
his spelling mistake? If not you are really thick. If you could, why did you
deflect from the question with a dig as his spelling mistake?

awaits deflection from these 2 questions

On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:42:10 GMT, "Simon" wrote:


"John Fields" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 01:55:26 GMT, "Simon" wrote:


"John Fields" wrote in message
.. .
On 28 Dec 2005 00:48:30 GMT, newtype
wrote:

Let me ask you a simple question, besides all the blah blah blah.
Have you seen any further psots from me in
Alt.Binaries.Schematics.electronics ?
Just a simple yes or no ?

ans : ___

---
What's a 'psot'?

Whats pedantric?

---
There's no such word as 'pedantric', and you missed the apostrophe
in 'what's'.

wow another spelling flame.

---
Hardly. I merely pointed out your two errors. You made another one
too, just above. Since 'wow' was the first word in the sentence, it
should have been capitulized.
---

You really are a sad little ****. are you bald
50 inch waist and have constant sweat patches under your arms?

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None of the above.

BTW, you Should have capitalized 'are', previous, since it's the
first word in a sentence, and what you probably meant to write was:
"Are you bald and do you have a 50 inch waist and constant sweat
patches under your arms?"

See how much better the sentence flows? Gives it a nice rhythm,
don't you think?
---

Get a f'ing life for god's sake.

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I _have_ a life, and not a repressed one, like yours, where you're
afraid to spell out "****ing".
---

COuld you not understand the OP's question even with
his spelling mistake?

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Of course.
---

If not you are really thick.

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But since it's not, "if not", I'm not.
---

If you could, why did you deflect from the question with a dig as his spelling mistake?

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In order to get the answer for yourself you need to go back and read
the whole thread. Then the answer should be obvious. If it isn't,
come back and ask me about what you don't understand and I'll try to
explain it to you with words of less than three syllables so that
you'll have a chance to get it.
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awaits deflection from these 2 questions

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Wait away, I don't owe you a thing.

--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer