On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 17:37:59 -0800, DarkMatter
wrote:

On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 15:13:47 -0800, "Rick" Gave us:


Make enough laws and eventually everyone becomes a
criminal. It really is over in the U.S., we've become a
nation of brainwashed, fearful, pussy whipped corporate
prostitutes who wouldn't know freedom if it bit us on
the ass.

Rick


Sorry, you total retard, but stealing is NOT a freedom. It is a
criminal act. For you not to know this mean that you are an obvious
criminal. For you not to understand that premise is even worse.

Jack-offs like you are what threaten our freedoms more than
anything.

How can you steal something you legally purchased?
Sounds to me like you're the jack-off.
BTW how old are you? Can you even remember when citizens had to fight
to preserve the freedoms you seem so willing to throw away to whatever
crooked corporation or corrupt politician?
Or maybe you're one of the Jack-offs that stand to profit from illegal
regulation of the market?

"DarkMatter" wrote in message ...
On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 17:58:45 -0800, "Rick the dick"
Gave us:


Making a backup of one's own property is not stealing,
regardless of what the entertainment industry wants you
to believe.

Sorry, but you don't need a backup. They do not degrade.

It is THEIR property. The one you bought is your copy. If it goes
defective, that's your fault. Properly used, they NEVER degrade.

If you seriously believe that, you're delusional.

Pay attention to what happens in the appeals process for
this current court case.

They will lose, and you are a loser.

And you're a freaking sociopath as well.

Rick

"luminos" wrote in message ...
I read your other lengthy response, that was the ultimate in dumb. Just as
with music, the instructor needs to present excerpts adjacent and
immediately next to each other to make the point. Having a bunch of discs
(or a boatload of them like a boatload of books) makes no sense at all.

The DMCA has failed more legal challenges than it's passed
over the last five years, and that is just one reason. Read
many others he
http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/20031003_unintended_cons.php

Rick


"DarkMatter" wrote in message
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On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 23:07:57 GMT, "luminos" Gave us:

Ok genius.....what about the need of education to use segments of DVD for
analysis and presentation in various courses? How are they going to do
this? How are researchers going to be able to deal with compilations of
segments of DVD materials that they own?

Can you really be so dumb?

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 07:54:17 GMT, "luminos" wrote:


"Cernovog" wrote in message
. com...
On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 23:06:36 -0500, Neil wrote
(in message ) :

When will people learn that requests for illegal info will be ignored?

In what way is this request illegal? What law does it break?

As long as it is for personal home use, it's perfectly legal for him to do
any darn thing he wants with his DVD.




This is completely wrong. Any copying of a DVD to any form is illegal via
the DMCA. The ruling came down this week.



Wrong Wrong Wrong you Buttmunch.

The decision ONLY pertains to the Cracking of the Encryption Code.
if what you say is true then i couldnt make a copy of my own DVD's
That i create myself.
321 studios will keep on publishing its software, only the software
cant Decrypt anymore.....but of course there are ways around that too.

"DarkMatter" wrote in message
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On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 20:49:34 -0600, gothika
Gave us:

Well said. Arguing about word play is a waste.
Better to discuss whether we should allow any government to have the
power to strip away our basic rights.

You're a retarded twit.

Stop trolling.

"DarkMatter" wrote in message
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On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 01:23:58 GMT, "HellRazor" Gave
us:


Explaining himself would require communication skills and civil
interaction
with fellow human beings.


Like that which your lame ass is sooo good at? Yeah... right. ****
off, retard boy.

I rest my case.

"DarkMatter" wrote in message
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On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 01:21:01 GMT, "HellRazor" Gave
us:


"luminos" wrote in message
.. .
Ok genius.....what about the need of education to use segments of DVD
for
analysis and presentation in various courses? How are they going to do
this? How are researchers going to be able to deal with compilations
of
segments of DVD materials that they own?


Don't try to use logic on him, it just confuses him and makes him angry.

Such folks get access, and legal access to such streams, and they get
said access with hardware unavailable to consumers.

For the school scenario... too ****ing bad. Buy the disk. They are
fully indexed. Move to desired scene. Where's the problem, you
retarded dip****s? School books cost over $50 each so a mere $20 for
a ****ing DVD is nothing.

In years past, a school had to lease a 16 print of a film at very
high rates, back when dollars had considerably more value.

You are a goddamned retard to think that a school that wanted to
show a segment of a film for educational purpose could do it cheaper
with an extraction and copy session than by buying the ****ing disc to
begin with and merely moving to the desired location.

My time is worth way too much to sit around in a retarded edit
session, compiling ****ing snippets. BUY the ****ing disc, and the
****ing job is done. It's called chapter search. All players have
the feature. Get a ****ing clue, retard boy.

Keep pushing him, hopefully he'll have a stroke.

"DarkMatter" wrote in message
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On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 02:33:06 GMT, "luminos" Gave us:

I read your other lengthy response, that was the ultimate in dumb. Just
as
with music, the instructor needs to present excerpts adjacent and
immediately next to each other to make the point. Having a bunch of
discs
(or a boatload of them like a boatload of books) makes no sense at all.

Tell us, oh dip****, how did they do it before the advent of video?

That's right. It was costly as ****. Just because a new form
factor is available doesn't mean that it is free to all.

Sure, they are allowed to use excerpts from films legally, but they
still have to buy a copy to legally extract the excerpts.

I never said otherwise. I presume ownership of the source. You can't read.

I am a member of the EFF.

"Justin" wrote in message
...
luminos wrote on [Sun, 07 Mar 2004 04:12:45 GMT]:
I am a member of the EFF.


Well, isn't that special. Now, why don't you learn how to quote some
relevant part of the message you are replying to?

Because it is redundant.

"Justin" wrote in message
...
Rick wrote on [Sat, 6 Mar 2004 17:58:45 -0800]:
"DarkMatter" wrote in
message ...
On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 15:13:47 -0800, "Rick" Gave us:


Make enough laws and eventually everyone becomes a
criminal. It really is over in the U.S., we've become a
nation of brainwashed, fearful, pussy whipped corporate
prostitutes who wouldn't know freedom if it bit us on
the ass.


Sorry, you total retard, but stealing is NOT a freedom.

Making a backup of one's own property is not stealing,
regardless of what the entertainment industry wants you
to believe.

Well, that's really up for debate though. You do not own the content of
the disc, you only have a license to use it.


And the use is called 'fair use'

Justin wrote:
luminos wrote on [Sun, 07 Mar 2004 04:45:08 GMT]:

"Justin" wrote in message
.. .

luminos wrote on [Sun, 07 Mar 2004 04:12:45 GMT]:

I am a member of the EFF.


Well, isn't that special. Now, why don't you learn how to quote some
relevant part of the message you are replying to?

Because it is redundant.




When you have no context and the entire content of your post is
"I am a member of the EFF." it makes no sense.

What is EFF and how can I become a member? Do they give out little
wallet cards? That would be cool. A badge would be cooler.
-ex

"luminos" wrote in message .. .

"Justin" wrote in message
...
Rick wrote on [Sat, 6 Mar 2004 17:58:45 -0800]:
"DarkMatter" wrote in
message ...
On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 15:13:47 -0800, "Rick" Gave us:


Make enough laws and eventually everyone becomes a
criminal. It really is over in the U.S., we've become a
nation of brainwashed, fearful, pussy whipped corporate
prostitutes who wouldn't know freedom if it bit us on
the ass.


Sorry, you total retard, but stealing is NOT a freedom.

Making a backup of one's own property is not stealing,
regardless of what the entertainment industry wants you
to believe.

Well, that's really up for debate though. You do not own the content of
the disc, you only have a license to use it.

And the use is called 'fair use'

Exactly. The software/recording/entertainment/etc/etc
industries have been trying to change basic fair use laws
for decades now. Does anyone even remember the
"don't copy that floppy" disinformation campaign of the
1980s and 90s?

As for DarkMatter, let him rant. It's natural selection
hard at work. I just can't imagine living in his fearful,
pussy whipped little world

Rick

"- - ex - -" wrote in message ...
Justin wrote:
luminos wrote on [Sun, 07 Mar 2004 04:45:08 GMT]:

"Justin" wrote in message
.. .

luminos wrote on [Sun, 07 Mar 2004 04:12:45 GMT]:

I am a member of the EFF.


Well, isn't that special. Now, why don't you learn how to quote some
relevant part of the message you are replying to?

Because it is redundant.




When you have no context and the entire content of your post is
"I am a member of the EFF." it makes no sense.

What is EFF and how can I become a member? Do they give out little
wallet cards? That would be cool. A badge would be cooler.
-ex

http://www.eff.org

Get the t-shirt. And send them money.

Rick

Rick wrote:
"- - ex - -" wrote in message ...

Justin wrote:

luminos wrote on [Sun, 07 Mar 2004 04:45:08 GMT]:


"Justin" wrote in message
.. .


luminos wrote on [Sun, 07 Mar 2004 04:12:45 GMT]:


I am a member of the EFF.


Well, isn't that special. Now, why don't you learn how to quote some
relevant part of the message you are replying to?

Because it is redundant.




When you have no context and the entire content of your post is
"I am a member of the EFF." it makes no sense.

What is EFF and how can I become a member? Do they give out little
wallet cards? That would be cool. A badge would be cooler.
-ex


http://www.eff.org

Get the t-shirt. And send them money.

Rick


I clicked all the links and found the 'shop' where they sell the
t-shirts. $20 for a t-shirt, huh? West Coast prices :-) Didn't see any
mention of wallet cards or badges that you could use on the internet to
impress the serfs.
Found a way to send money via PayPal to a seedy street address recipient
in SAN FRANCISCO, go figure. Instinctively that sent me to the
'StopLoading' button on my browser just in case they were loading me
with viruses.
Maybe they are nice people. Maybe its a self-feeding little clique of
wackos. It's hard to sort them out anymore on the internet. I didn't
see any mention of how well their representative in Washington was doing.
-ex

"- - ex - -" wrote in message ...
Rick wrote:
"- - ex - -" wrote in message ...
What is EFF and how can I become a member? Do they give out little
wallet cards? That would be cool. A badge would be cooler.
-ex


http://www.eff.org

Get the t-shirt. And send them money.


I clicked all the links and found the 'shop' where they sell the
t-shirts. $20 for a t-shirt, huh? West Coast prices :-) Didn't see any
mention of wallet cards or badges that you could use on the internet to
impress the serfs.
Found a way to send money via PayPal to a seedy street address recipient
in SAN FRANCISCO, go figure. Instinctively that sent me to the
'StopLoading' button on my browser just in case they were loading me
with viruses.

Maybe they are nice people. Maybe its a self-feeding little clique of
wackos. It's hard to sort them out anymore on the internet. I didn't
see any mention of how well their representative in Washington was doing.

Maybe you just didn't hit the right pages:

http://www.eff.org/about/
http://www.eff.org/contact/

Brad has been fighting on the frontlines for 14 years now.

Rick

Rick wrote:

Maybe they are nice people. Maybe its a self-feeding little clique of
wackos. It's hard to sort them out anymore on the internet. I didn't
see any mention of how well their representative in Washington was doing.


Maybe you just didn't hit the right pages:

http://www.eff.org/about/
http://www.eff.org/contact/

Brad has been fighting on the frontlines for 14 years now.

Rick


Nice wank there, but I had "Brad" (not his real name) over to the house
for drinks and he said he has never been to Washington, DC.

-ex

"- - ex - -" wrote in message ...
Rick wrote:

Maybe they are nice people. Maybe its a self-feeding little clique of
wackos. It's hard to sort them out anymore on the internet. I didn't
see any mention of how well their representative in Washington was doing.


Maybe you just didn't hit the right pages:

http://www.eff.org/about/
http://www.eff.org/contact/

Brad has been fighting on the frontlines for 14 years now.


Nice wank there, but I had "Brad" (not his real name) over to the house
for drinks and he said he has never been to Washington, DC.

Troll. But thanks for letting me get the word out about the EFF
to those who do have a clue.

Rick

"DarkMatter" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 04:56:54 GMT, Justin Gave
us:

luminos wrote on [Sun, 07 Mar 2004 04:45:08 GMT]:

"Justin" wrote in message
...
luminos wrote on [Sun, 07 Mar 2004 04:12:45 GMT]:
I am a member of the EFF.


Well, isn't that special. Now, why don't you learn how to quote some
relevant part of the message you are replying to?

Because it is redundant.



When you have no context and the entire content of your post is
"I am a member of the EFF." it makes no sense.

Usenet posting twits have no concept of the fact that not all
readers (read users) can see all messages that got posted. Some
groups kill off (purge) messages daily.

Of course we know that if these retards don't know how to properly
take the time to make a post that has been properly manicured, they
need to be on the ignore list. No announcement... no criteria other
than outright denial of punctuation, grammar, proper quoting, and
other basic Usenet protocols. Boom, never seen or heard from again.
Then the idiot wonders why his remarks to not garner a reply.

I expect people to be a lot smarter than you are. I responded to Rick, who
referenced the EFF documents. The logic was clear....to someone with a
brain.

And you, of all people, have no credence in talking about punctuation,
grammer, etc. Unbelievable.

"DarkMatter" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 22:55:15 -0800, "Rick" Gave us:

As for DarkMatter, let him rant. It's natural selection
hard at work. I just can't imagine living in his fearful,
pussy whipped little world

Rick

Come on over, whimpy ****tard. I'll gladly slay you tuesday for a
slamburger today! And laugh at both incidents while you rot.

Jesus Christ, you sound like a poor man's Ric Flair.

"DarkMatter" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 03:57:48 GMT, "HellRazor" Gave
us:


"DarkMatter" wrote in
message
.. .
On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 20:49:34 -0600, gothika
Gave us:

Well said. Arguing about word play is a waste.
Better to discuss whether we should allow any government to have the
power to strip away our basic rights.

You're a retarded twit.

Stop trolling.

You're a retarded twit.

And you're a troll.

"DarkMatter" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 03:58:22 GMT, "HellRazor" Gave
us:


"DarkMatter" wrote in
message
.. .
On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 01:23:58 GMT, "HellRazor" Gave
us:


Explaining himself would require communication skills and civil
interaction
with fellow human beings.


Like that which your lame ass is sooo good at? Yeah... right. ****
off, retard boy.

I rest my case.

You never had a case, dip****.

You have no communication skills and are incapable of civil interaction with
other people. Every post you make proves my point. But by all means,
continue your sad, pathetic little antisocial outbursts.

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 14:26:22 -0400, Chris Phillipo wrote:

In article ,
says...
Feck wrote in message news:tHc2c.717735$ts4.617242@pd7tw3no...
You need a black box usually called an "image stabiliser". My local
electronics store sell them for about $50cad, check the net for mail order
sources.
It goes between the DVD and VCR. Since your unit is an all-in-one, you
might have to copy to a standalone VCR.


(A Better Chungking_Cash) wrote in
om:

I have a Toshiba SD-V290 DVD/VCR Combo. Does anyone have a Macrovision
hack for this player? I would like to make VHS back-up's of existing
and future purchases. ANY help would be much appreciated. Thank-you in
advance.

Well seeing as the DMCA makes universal remote controls, garage door
openers and pretty much anything that allows equipment to be used for
anything it wasn't intended for (like remote control software for Palm
Pilots) illegal, this could get difficult.

Next they will be making "copy-proof" holographic DVD's that *cannot*
be played in any manufactured player if the hologram is missing. From
what I understand, the next upgrade to the DVD standard will also take
out the facility to play DVD-R and DVD-RW, only original burned disks.

-A


Any such attempt will only serve to drive the sale of Chinese made
players through the roof,

Virtually *all* DVD players are Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Taiwanese made.

as if they weren't killing american
manufacturers already.

What American manufacturers ? RCA, Magnavox? most of their stuff is made
in the far-east these days.

I bet it's very difficult to find a DVD player that is actually
made in the USA.

--
Michael Turner
Email (ROT13)

On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 01:31:38 +0000, michael turner wrote:

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 14:26:22 -0400, Chris Phillipo wrote:

Any such attempt will only serve to drive the sale of Chinese made
players through the roof,

Virtually *all* DVD players are Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Taiwanese made.

as if they weren't killing american
manufacturers already.

What American manufacturers ? RCA, Magnavox? most of their stuff is made
in the far-east these days.

Of course the American consumer electronics industry was
wiped-out/taken-over years ago.

RCA is a brand of Thomson (French), Magnavox is a brand of Philips
(Dutch), plus a load of other *household* American brand-names have
disappeared, or are now foreign owned. It's just the same with well known
British brand-names.

I bet it's very difficult to find a DVD player that is actually made in
the USA.

--
Michael Turner
Email (ROT13)

"DarkMatter" wrote in message ...
On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 18:01:23 -0800, "Mike Kohary" Gave
us:

"Justin" wrote in message
...
Mike Kohary wrote on [Sun, 7 Mar 2004 17:18:48 -0800]:

There is nothing illegal about taping a DVD for your own private use.
What
is technically illegal, under the DMCA, is breaking the Macrovision
protection in order to make that copy. Does that seem logical to you,
that
making the copy is legal, but circumventing the copy protection is not?

Are you sure it's just the Macrovision, and not the copy encryption as
well?

Macrovision is "copy encryption" (or copy protection, as I'd put it). It
doesn't matter what the copy protection scheme is; the DMCA applies equally
to all.


Damn! The twit got one right!

The DMCA is going down in flames. Court cases dealing with
the exact same issues (circumvention of copy protection and
encryption) have come up before, always with the same eventual
results:

http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/US_v_Elco...17_eff_pr.html

http://www.eff.org/IP/Video/DVDCCA_c...227_eff_pr.php

etc.

Also, last year two separate bills were introduced in Congress
to protect consumer fair use rights for digital content:

http://www.protectfairuse.org/consum..._plotline.html

In just five short years the guts of the DMCA have already
proven to be ill-conceived, ridiculously broad, and in the end,
unconstitutional.

DarkMatter, pay attention and learn something.

Rick

"Justin" wrote in message
...
Cernovog wrote on [Sat, 6 Mar 2004 12:29:35 -0500]:
On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 7:08:15 -0500, DarkMatter wrote
(in message ):

As long as it is for personal home use, it's perfectly legal for him
to do
any darn thing he wants with his DVD.


That is so untrue.

Care to explain yourself? Just saying something doesn't make it true.


He doesn't need to. It is illegal to copy a DVD in the US, for any
reason whatsoever.

Who gives a ****?

"Justin" wrote in message
...
Mike Kohary wrote on [Sun, 7 Mar 2004 18:00:27 -0800]:
"Justin" wrote in message
...
Mike Kohary wrote on [Sun, 7 Mar 2004 17:29:56 -0800]:
"Justin" wrote in message
...

He doesn't need to. It is illegal to copy a DVD in the US, for any
reason whatsoever.

Not true.

If it's illegal to defeat the copy protection then it's illegal to
copy.
Right?

Nope. It's only illegal to circumvent the copy protection, not to make
the
copy. The law *does* make that specific distinction - it's a fact not
up
for debate, so don't try. I know that it doesn't make any sense in the
real
world, but that's how the law currently reads. Screwed up, isn't it?

Yes, it is a screwy situation. It just adds to the existing laws that
are out there to screw you up. It's illegal to use a Radar Detector for
example, but you can own one.

Nope. Not where I live. They are perfectly legal here.

"DarkMatter" wrote in
message ...

: retarded post
: ****ing
: dip****.
: piece of ****
: you ARE a piece of ****, boy.
:
: your fecal brained ass.
:
: your retarded ass
: Idiots like you
:
: you get dowsed in ****
: jackoff.

=========================
More wonderful words from dickmatter.

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 19:37:44 GMT, Justin wrote:

Yes, illegal to copy a DVD. It is illegal to bypass a copy protection
mechanism. Therefore, by copying it you are bypassing it.

No. if you can bypass it it is not a copy protection mechanism.


--
Martin D. Bartsch
ARD Paris
German TV Allemande

On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 03:16:55 GMT, Justin wrote:

The effectiveness of the copy protection method
doesn't matter.

So I print on the cover: You can not copy this disk! and I have a copy
protection?


--
Martin D. Bartsch
ARD Paris
German TV Allemande

In article ,
DarkMatter wrote:

The only reason I treat you like a
piece of **** is because you ARE a piece of ****, boy.

Said the Master **** Boy.

On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 00:40:12 GMT "HellRazor" wrote in
Message id: MhP2c.499424$I06.5375253@attbi_s01:


"DarkMatter" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 22:55:15 -0800, "Rick" Gave us:

As for DarkMatter, let him rant. It's natural selection
hard at work. I just can't imagine living in his fearful,
pussy whipped little world

Rick

Come on over, whimpy ****tard. I'll gladly slay you tuesday for a
slamburger today! And laugh at both incidents while you rot.

Jesus Christ, you sound like a poor man's Ric Flair.

Crossed with Wimpy from Popeye fame. How apropos.

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 17:27:39 -0800 DarkMatter
wrote in Message id:
:

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 22:52:07 GMT, Jan Panteltje
Gave us:


By copying a copy protected DVD you are defeating the copy protection
mechanism. If you weren't defeating it then you wouldn't be copying it.
But if you could copy it, then for sure it was not copy protected ;-)

Dingledorf. If one uses a method to allow the copying of a disc,
and it was encrypted, it was a copyrighted disc, and is illegal to
extract directly.

Don't you have somewhere else to troll?

On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 03:58:22 GMT "HellRazor" wrote in
Message id: y5x2c.192043$jk2.680857@attbi_s53:


"DarkMatter" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 01:23:58 GMT, "HellRazor" Gave
us:


Explaining himself would require communication skills and civil
interaction
with fellow human beings.


Like that which your lame ass is sooo good at? Yeah... right. ****
off, retard boy.

I rest my case.

Now could you put ParkSquatter in it, then find a place to bury the
thing?

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 11:36:49 -0800 DarkMatter
wrote in Message id:
:

Funny. I see absolutely ZERO chinese players on American store
shelves. Ever wonder why?

Blind, or just stupid?

On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 01:12:37 -0800 DarkMatter
wrote in Message id:
:


[...]

Bone up, dip****. Get a clue, you Total Retard!

Don't you have anything else to do besides troll, WeakBladder?

"Justin" wrote in message
...
Axel VK wrote on [Mon, 8 Mar 2004 22:12:08 +1100]:

"Justin" wrote in message
...
Cernovog wrote on [Sat, 6 Mar 2004 12:29:35 -0500]:
On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 7:08:15 -0500, DarkMatter wrote
(in message ):

As long as it is for personal home use, it's perfectly legal for
him
to do
any darn thing he wants with his DVD.


That is so untrue.

Care to explain yourself? Just saying something doesn't make it true.


He doesn't need to. It is illegal to copy a DVD in the US, for any
reason whatsoever.

Who gives a ****?

Obviously immoral thieves don't.

***NEWSFLASH***
This newsgroup is NOT about morality or legal issues. It is about technical
issues around DVD's.
So stop offering legal advice, it is not required or even asked for.

Yes, laugh if you will, but if someone you trust decides they don't like
your attitude about your lack of self control, they may convince the FBI
of your terrorist activities, and you can deal with them instead of us.
Yes, laugh little pidgeon, laugh if you will.


I do laugh at that.. you obviously have no idea how the legal system
works... Even if they did, so what, who gives a **** if some 16 year old
copies some of his friends DVDs? They'd need proof and a warrant to even
enter the house, you can't get that on someones word alone. Maybe if you got
busted for some other crime they might possibly try to charge you with
something, but even that is doubtful.

On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 23:08:23 -0800, DarkMatter
wrote:

If you want a downconverted VHS tape, fine.

And for that he needs to bypass Macrovision


--
Martin D. Bartsch
ARD Paris
German TV Allemande

On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 23:08:23 -0800, DarkMatter
wrote:

It opens the door to the thieves, regardless of how
honorable or noble your intentions are.

A society who will close every possible backdoor for every possible
illegal action will be worse than everything Hitler or Stalin could
imagine.

Liberty is also the liberty to commit a crime (and to be punished
later)


--
Martin D. Bartsch
ARD Paris
German TV Allemande