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I have a Toshiba SD-V290 DVD/VCR Combo. Does anyone have a Macrovision
hack for this player? I would like to make VHS back-up's of existing
and future purchases. ANY help would be much appreciated. Thank-you in
advance.
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When will people learn that requests for illegal info will be ignored?. How
many times will we have to put up with requests for cell phone jammers,
cable tv descramblers, radar jammers etc?.
And by the way, why the hell would you make a VHS BACK UP of a DVD???!!!!.
What a good idea!...just in case your super high resolution, multiple track,
fully digital, noise and dropout free DVD suddenly fails, you'll have a
crappy, noisy, dropout ridden VHS copy to enjoy.
That's gotta be one of the stupidest ideas that have been posted here in a
long time, and there have been quite a few!.
Kim


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I have a Toshiba SD-V290 DVD/VCR Combo. Does anyone have a Macrovision
hack for this player? I would like to make VHS back-up's of existing
and future purchases. ANY help would be much appreciated. Thank-you in
advance.



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Neil posted in sci.electronics.repair , in article
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When will people learn that requests for illegal info will be ignored?. How
many times will we have to put up with requests for cell phone jammers,
cable tv descramblers, radar jammers etc?.
And by the way, why the hell would you make a VHS BACK UP of a DVD???!!!!.
What a good idea!...just in case your super high resolution, multiple track,
fully digital, noise and dropout free DVD suddenly fails, you'll have a
crappy, noisy, dropout ridden VHS copy to enjoy.
That's gotta be one of the stupidest ideas that have been posted here in a
long time, and there have been quite a few!.
Kim


Someone scratches your DVD disks. You're f*cked.

For now, the OP should search for 'Macrovision decoding' on Internet. There was
a circuit using a PIC microcontroller (IIRC) and a few other IC's but I can't
find it right now.

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On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 02:17:44 -0200, Chaos Master
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Neil posted in sci.electronics.repair , in article
, at Fri, 5 Mar 2004 23:06:36 -
0500:
When will people learn that requests for illegal info will be ignored?. How
many times will we have to put up with requests for cell phone jammers,
cable tv descramblers, radar jammers etc?.
And by the way, why the hell would you make a VHS BACK UP of a DVD???!!!!.
What a good idea!...just in case your super high resolution, multiple track,
fully digital, noise and dropout free DVD suddenly fails, you'll have a
crappy, noisy, dropout ridden VHS copy to enjoy.
That's gotta be one of the stupidest ideas that have been posted here in a
long time, and there have been quite a few!.
Kim


Someone scratches your DVD disks. You're f*cked.

For now, the OP should search for 'Macrovision decoding' on Internet. There was
a circuit using a PIC microcontroller (IIRC) and a few other IC's but I can't
find it right now.


Not really a stupid request. And there should be a way to remove it
with a software solution.
It's only illegal if you suck up to the notion that anyone has the
right to sell you inferior quality video.(macrovision degrades the
signal to the point where the tracking and burst signals are marginal
resulting in a poorer image.)
LAST time I checked it wasn't against the law to strip the macrovison
encoding to restore image quality to the video signal if you're doing
it for personal use. Only illegal for commercial purposes.
also have you forgotten about s-vhs? while it's not as good as the
original dvd it would still be perfectly fine for viewing on standard
tv sets.
And like the man said if you scratch it you're fcked.

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gothika posted in sci.electronics.repair , in article
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also have you forgotten about s-vhs? while it's not as good as the
original dvd it would still be perfectly fine for viewing on standard
tv sets.


Here in Brazil it is similar.
You can remove all protection from a DVD, but YOU CAN'T SELL the resulting data.

This is somewhat like our laws about .MP3 audio: you can download it, as long as
it's for personal use or transmission over the Internet _AS LONG AS_ you don't
"sell" music. If you burn a CD with downloaded music to play on your CD player
it's legal. But if you sell the CD it is illegal.

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"Neil" wrote:

}When will people learn that requests for illegal info will be ignored?.

Defeating Macrovision is not illegal if you have a valid purpose, such
as archiving. Read the copyright act.

}And by the way, why the hell would you make a VHS BACK UP of a DVD???!!!!.

Not desireable in my book, but still legal, so why hassle him about it?

Stan.
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"Stan" wrote in message
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"Neil" wrote:

}When will people learn that requests for illegal info will be ignored?.

Defeating Macrovision is not illegal if you have a valid purpose, such
as archiving. Read the copyright act.

}And by the way, why the hell would you make a VHS BACK UP of a

DVD???!!!!.

Not desireable in my book, but still legal, so why hassle him about it?

Stan.


Stan,
You ask why copy to VHS, I'll answer in one word- "children." When my
kids were younger I used to make backup tapes of DVD's as they could operate
the tape deck but would surely trash a DVD. The little rugrats have grown a
bit, so now I copy the DVD's directly to blank media and let them use an
older player. This actually serves a second purpose of trying to teach them
not to trash discs and gear. It works out pretty well, and if the copy of
"Finding Nemo" gets a little hashed, no problem, there must be two or three
backup discs safely locked up in the media room ggg.
All the best, Mike


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On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 23:06:36 -0500, Neil wrote
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When will people learn that requests for illegal info will be ignored?


In what way is this request illegal? What law does it break?

As long as it is for personal home use, it's perfectly legal for him to do
any darn thing he wants with his DVD.



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"Cernovog" wrote in message
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On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 23:06:36 -0500, Neil wrote
(in message ) :

When will people learn that requests for illegal info will be ignored?


In what way is this request illegal? What law does it break?

As long as it is for personal home use, it's perfectly legal for him to do
any darn thing he wants with his DVD.




This is completely wrong. Any copying of a DVD to any form is illegal via
the DMCA. The ruling came down this week.


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"luminos" wrote in message ...

"Cernovog" wrote in message
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On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 23:06:36 -0500, Neil wrote
(in message ) :

When will people learn that requests for illegal info will be ignored?


In what way is this request illegal? What law does it break?

As long as it is for personal home use, it's perfectly legal for him to do
any darn thing he wants with his DVD.


This is completely wrong. Any copying of a DVD to any form is illegal via
the DMCA. The ruling came down this week.


Wherever you're getting your news, you should find another
source.

If you're referring to 321, "the ruling" is just the latest in this
case -- it's being appealed and will eventually be overturned
(like in all previous cases where a clueless judge somewhere
along the line claimed that fair use rights don't include the
right to backup copy protected media).

Rick




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Only applies in US ... This is not the first time I've seen US posters
posting as though their laws applied across the entire world. When posting
please bear in mind that copyright laws vary from country to country.

I suspect that making backups of privately owned media for personal,
non-commercial use is legal in most countries.

"luminos" wrote in message
...

This is completely wrong. Any copying of a DVD to any form is illegal via
the DMCA. The ruling came down this week.



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It is not in Australia and a lot of other countries.

"Java Jive" wrote in message
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Only applies in US ... This is not the first time I've seen US posters
posting as though their laws applied across the entire world. When posting
please bear in mind that copyright laws vary from country to country.

I suspect that making backups of privately owned media for personal,
non-commercial use is legal in most countries.

"luminos" wrote in message
...

This is completely wrong. Any copying of a DVD to any form is illegal

via
the DMCA. The ruling came down this week.





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Java Jive posted in sci.electronics.repair , in article
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Only applies in US ... This is not the first time I've seen US posters
posting as though their laws applied across the entire world. When posting
please bear in mind that copyright laws vary from country to country.

I suspect that making backups of privately owned media for personal,
non-commercial use is legal in most countries.


Here in Brazil it is allowed to copy and distribute recordings, __as long as it
is done for free__.


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On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 2:54:17 -0500, luminos wrote
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This is completely wrong. Any copying of a DVD to any form is illegal via
the DMCA. The ruling came down this week.


That's laughable. How do they expect this to be enforced? We don't have
enough to cops to handle the real crimes. I think the FBI has better things
to do than go house to house looking for copies of movies.

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Cernovog wrote:

On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 2:54:17 -0500, luminos wrote
(in message ):


This is completely wrong. Any copying of a DVD to any form is illegal via
the DMCA. The ruling came down this week.



That's laughable. How do they expect this to be enforced? We don't have
enough to cops to handle the real crimes. I think the FBI has better things
to do than go house to house looking for copies of movies.


Most of us provide our own enforcement through self control - this way,
we don't have to concern ourselves about jack-booted thugs kicking down
our doors in the middle of a movie scattering our fresh popcorn across
the floor.

Yes, laugh if you will, but if someone you trust decides they don't like
your attitude about your lack of self control, they may convince the FBI
of your terrorist activities, and you can deal with them instead of us.
Yes, laugh little pidgeon, laugh if you will.

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No, NOT illegal to copy a DVD.
Illegal to circumvent the encryption on a DVD.

"luminos" wrote in message
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"Cernovog" wrote in message
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On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 23:06:36 -0500, Neil wrote
(in message ) :

When will people learn that requests for illegal info will be ignored?


In what way is this request illegal? What law does it break?

As long as it is for personal home use, it's perfectly legal for him to

do
any darn thing he wants with his DVD.




This is completely wrong. Any copying of a DVD to any form is illegal via
the DMCA. The ruling came down this week.




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On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 07:54:17 GMT, "luminos" wrote:


"Cernovog" wrote in message
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On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 23:06:36 -0500, Neil wrote
(in message ) :

When will people learn that requests for illegal info will be ignored?


In what way is this request illegal? What law does it break?

As long as it is for personal home use, it's perfectly legal for him to do
any darn thing he wants with his DVD.




This is completely wrong. Any copying of a DVD to any form is illegal via
the DMCA. The ruling came down this week.



Wrong Wrong Wrong you Buttmunch.

The decision ONLY pertains to the Cracking of the Encryption Code.
if what you say is true then i couldnt make a copy of my own DVD's
That i create myself.
321 studios will keep on publishing its software, only the software
cant Decrypt anymore.....but of course there are ways around that too.


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Neil wrote:
When will people learn that requests for illegal info will be ignored?. How
many times will we have to put up with requests for cell phone jammers,
cable tv descramblers, radar jammers etc?.
And by the way, why the hell would you make a VHS BACK UP of a DVD???!!!!.
What a good idea!...just in case your super high resolution, multiple track,
fully digital, noise and dropout free DVD suddenly fails, you'll have a
crappy, noisy, dropout ridden VHS copy to enjoy.
That's gotta be one of the stupidest ideas that have been posted here in a
long time, and there have been quite a few!.
Kim


"A Better Chungking_Cash" wrote in message
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I have a Toshiba SD-V290 DVD/VCR Combo. Does anyone have a Macrovision
hack for this player? I would like to make VHS back-up's of existing
and future purchases. ANY help would be much appreciated. Thank-you in
advance.





This has degenerated into a ****ing match over legal implications.
Back to the original intent...

I'm looking for a Macrovision hack for my Coby DVD-215.
I don't have any more video inputs on my stereo receiver, but I do have
two perfectly good selectable video input ports on my VCR.
You'd think you could play a dvd passed thru the VCR. But no!!!
Whatever macrovision is messing up is in the passthru path too.

Need to get this patched up so I can play legal rented original not
copied perfectly legal not bootlegged, original rented DVDs!!!!!

Did I mention that no illegal recording is or will ever be involved.
And don't give me any crap about DMCA. Gimme the hack.
merci,
mike

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mike wrote:

This has degenerated into a ****ing match over legal implications.
Back to the original intent...

I'm looking for a Macrovision hack for my Coby DVD-215.
I don't have any more video inputs on my stereo receiver, but I do have
two perfectly good selectable video input ports on my VCR.
You'd think you could play a dvd passed thru the VCR. But no!!!
Whatever macrovision is messing up is in the passthru path too.

Need to get this patched up so I can play legal rented original not
copied perfectly legal not bootlegged, original rented DVDs!!!!!

Did I mention that no illegal recording is or will ever be involved.
And don't give me any crap about DMCA. Gimme the hack.
merci,
mike


Have you tried www.dvdrhelp.com?

Jason



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You need a black box usually called an "image stabiliser". My local
electronics store sell them for about $50cad, check the net for mail order
sources.
It goes between the DVD and VCR. Since your unit is an all-in-one, you
might have to copy to a standalone VCR.


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I have a Toshiba SD-V290 DVD/VCR Combo. Does anyone have a Macrovision
hack for this player? I would like to make VHS back-up's of existing
and future purchases. ANY help would be much appreciated. Thank-you in
advance.


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On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 14:26:22 -0400, Chris Phillipo wrote:

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Feck wrote in message news:tHc2c.717735$ts4.617242@pd7tw3no...
You need a black box usually called an "image stabiliser". My local
electronics store sell them for about $50cad, check the net for mail order
sources.
It goes between the DVD and VCR. Since your unit is an all-in-one, you
might have to copy to a standalone VCR.


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I have a Toshiba SD-V290 DVD/VCR Combo. Does anyone have a Macrovision
hack for this player? I would like to make VHS back-up's of existing
and future purchases. ANY help would be much appreciated. Thank-you in
advance.


Well seeing as the DMCA makes universal remote controls, garage door
openers and pretty much anything that allows equipment to be used for
anything it wasn't intended for (like remote control software for Palm
Pilots) illegal, this could get difficult.

Next they will be making "copy-proof" holographic DVD's that *cannot*
be played in any manufactured player if the hologram is missing. From
what I understand, the next upgrade to the DVD standard will also take
out the facility to play DVD-R and DVD-RW, only original burned disks.

-A


Any such attempt will only serve to drive the sale of Chinese made
players through the roof,


Virtually *all* DVD players are Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Taiwanese made.

as if they weren't killing american
manufacturers already.


What American manufacturers ? RCA, Magnavox? most of their stuff is made
in the far-east these days.

I bet it's very difficult to find a DVD player that is actually
made in the USA.

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On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 01:31:38 +0000, michael turner wrote:

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 14:26:22 -0400, Chris Phillipo wrote:


Any such attempt will only serve to drive the sale of Chinese made
players through the roof,


Virtually *all* DVD players are Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Taiwanese made.

as if they weren't killing american
manufacturers already.


What American manufacturers ? RCA, Magnavox? most of their stuff is made
in the far-east these days.


Of course the American consumer electronics industry was
wiped-out/taken-over years ago.

RCA is a brand of Thomson (French), Magnavox is a brand of Philips
(Dutch), plus a load of other *household* American brand-names have
disappeared, or are now foreign owned. It's just the same with well known
British brand-names.

I bet it's very difficult to find a DVD player that is actually made in
the USA.


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"A Better Chungking_Cash" wrote in message
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I have a Toshiba SD-V290 DVD/VCR Combo. Does anyone have a Macrovision
hack for this player? I would like to make VHS back-up's of existing
and future purchases. ANY help would be much appreciated. Thank-you in
advance.


Do a google for macrovision hack, which should bring up several sites.
BTW, I make VHS copies of my kids movies, give them the tape, and put the
DVD away. After buying two DVD "The Lion King" movies, I learned my lesson.
And the quality on a 25" TV in the kids room is fine. I'd rather replace a
$2.00 tape, than buy another $20.00 replacement DVD.

Deke


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