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Silencing a humming transformer ( + ACDC adaptor that blew )
I have no experience with electronics except dabbling with a
multimeter. I wanted to silence a humming transformer, I read somewhere that covering it in JB Weld would do the job. But I didn't even get that far. I struggled to open it up, in the end I managed it quite 'easily' with a hammer. Before even putting on any JB Weld, I put the lid back on it and plugged it in. Then I flicked the mains power switch and bang it blew. I know it was the ACDC adaptor because and not a mains plug fuse because the power cord still worked in another ACDC adaptor Is there a way for me to open one of these things without encountering that? does anybody know about silencing humming / whining transformers |
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On 28 Feb, 20:05, "
wrote: does anybody know about silencing humming / whining transformers first eliminate overload/shorting as a possible cause of hum. Then any of the following: wedges between core and bobbin hit the edge of the core with a hammer & cold chisel to jam the lams together put glue or tar on the lam edges NT |
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On 28 Feb 2007 12:05:12 -0800, "
wrote: I have no experience with electronics except dabbling with a multimeter. I wanted to silence a humming transformer, I read somewhere that covering it in JB Weld would do the job. But I didn't even get that far. I struggled to open it up, in the end I managed it quite 'easily' with a hammer. Before even putting on any JB Weld, I put the lid back on it and plugged it in. Then I flicked the mains power switch and bang it blew. I know it was the ACDC adaptor because and not a mains plug fuse because the power cord still worked in another ACDC adaptor Is there a way for me to open one of these things without encountering that? does anybody know about silencing humming / whining transformers Man, I'll get blasted for this one! Drill two small holes (carefully) into the case, near the edges. Position with holes up. Mix up some epoxy. Inject the epoxy into one of the holes until it comes out the other one. (alternative: one of those devices that both mixes and injects the mix.) Wait for a few hours after the epoxy sets to test. No warranties expressed or implied on this one... bg |
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Did anyone notice he was using JB Weld epoxy? I think that stuff has
metal particles in it! PeterD wrote: On 28 Feb 2007 12:05:12 -0800, " wrote: I have no experience with electronics except dabbling with a multimeter. I wanted to silence a humming transformer, I read somewhere that covering it in JB Weld would do the job. But I didn't even get that far. I struggled to open it up, in the end I managed it quite 'easily' with a hammer. Before even putting on any JB Weld, I put the lid back on it and plugged it in. Then I flicked the mains power switch and bang it blew. I know it was the ACDC adaptor because and not a mains plug fuse because the power cord still worked in another ACDC adaptor Is there a way for me to open one of these things without encountering that? does anybody know about silencing humming / whining transformers Man, I'll get blasted for this one! Drill two small holes (carefully) into the case, near the edges. Position with holes up. Mix up some epoxy. Inject the epoxy into one of the holes until it comes out the other one. (alternative: one of those devices that both mixes and injects the mix.) Wait for a few hours after the epoxy sets to test. No warranties expressed or implied on this one... bg -- Joe Leikhim K4SAT "The RFI-EMI-GUY"© "Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it treason." "Follow The Money" ;-P |
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On 1 Mar, 01:00, **THE-RFI-EMI-GUY** wrote:
Did anyone notice he was using JB Weld epoxy? I think that stuff has metal particles in it! I haven't used it yet. I have a few cheap rubbish ACDC adaptors most or all of which make a noise. I broke one as described, but i'll try to experiment on the others too. http://jbweld.net/products/jbstik.php it says it's an insulator. I will reply to my post with links to pictures of the transformer. snip |
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On 1 Mar, 01:00, **THE-RFI-EMI-GUY** wrote: Did anyone notice he was using JB Weld epoxy? I think that stuff has metal particles in it! I haven't used it yet. I have a few cheap rubbish ACDC adaptors most or all of which make a noise. I broke one as described, but i'll try to experiment on the others too. http://jbweld.net/products/jbstik.php it says it's an insulator. I will reply to my post with links to pictures of the transformer. snip Regardless there's a lot easier epoxies to use. JB Weld is very thick paste, you can get liquid epoxy resins which will be much easier to pour into something. |
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On 28 Feb, 20:05, "
wrote: I have no experience with electronics except dabbling with a multimeter. I wanted to silence a humming transformer, I read somewhere that covering it in JB Weld would do the job. But I didn't even get that far. I struggled to open it up, in the end I managed it quite 'easily' with a hammer. Before even putting on any JB Weld, I put the lid back on it and plugged it in. Then I flicked the mains power switch and bang it blew. I know it was the ACDC adaptor because and not a mains plug fuse because the power cord still worked in another ACDC adaptor Is there a way for me to open one of these things without encountering that? does anybody know about silencing humming / whining transformers Here are pictures of the transformer http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/262/15084473gh0.jpg http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/954/18933823la0.jpg http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/3033/19265605dw7.jpg I know the AC-DC adaptor sits on a book about electricity, but it hasn't been read, I don't have any background in the subject! |
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On 1 Mar, 03:00, James Sweet wrote:
wrote: On 1 Mar, 01:00, **THE-RFI-EMI-GUY** wrote: Did anyone notice he was using JB Weld epoxy? I think that stuff has metal particles in it! I haven't used it yet. I have a few cheap rubbish ACDC adaptors most or all of which make a noise. I broke one as described, but i'll try to experiment on the others too. http://jbweld.net/products/jbstik.php it says it's an insulator. I will reply to my post with links to pictures of the transformer. snip Regardless there's a lot easier epoxies to use. JB Weld is very thick paste, you can get liquid epoxy resins which will be much easier to pour into something.- thanks for the tip, i'll be getting some. I posted some pictures of the transformer, I can't really get to it.. The copper coils of wire seem to be covered in some yellow thing and aroudn the whole thing there's this square housing with yellow tape over it. But, just to get an idea of where i'd pour the stuff.. if I could. Here is a picture of another device I once had. The transformer was 'naked'. It was a power supply card. http://linitx.com/product_info.php?products_id=397 you can click the image to enlarge it. Alternatively here it is http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/38/aazc0.jpg There were a couple of transformers on it as you can see. I think if the transformer is shaped like a doughnut. With my AC-DC adaptor, the wires go round in circles that are sort of parallel with the PCB. They go round the circumference of the doughnut. (at last I think that's what they do, i'd have to pull off the housing to get a better look) Whereas on the power supply card that I linked to, the wires are sort of perpendicular to the PCB. In the case of the power supply card, would I pour liquid epoxy in the middle. WHat is actually causing the hum? The coils hitting the doughnut(core?) I just googled transformer coils core into google images. And got this amazing picture http://img.alibaba.com/photo/1149892...ine_Filter.jpg or for the archives http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/3...inductooq8.jpg I see the one in my AC-DC adaptor in that picture. It's second row from the back. And second , maybe third, from the left !! |
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It does say it has "steel reinforcement" in it. To what extent it might
mess with a linear or swiching power supply, I couldn't guess. I would use a different epoxy if in doubt. wrote: On 1 Mar, 01:00, **THE-RFI-EMI-GUY** wrote: Did anyone notice he was using JB Weld epoxy? I think that stuff has metal particles in it! I haven't used it yet. I have a few cheap rubbish ACDC adaptors most or all of which make a noise. I broke one as described, but i'll try to experiment on the others too. http://jbweld.net/products/jbstik.php it says it's an insulator. I will reply to my post with links to pictures of the transformer. snip -- Joe Leikhim K4SAT "The RFI-EMI-GUY"© "Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it treason." "Follow The Money" ;-P |
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I've heard that using a light oil (be sure to find one that doesn't stink!)
-- just a few drops -- will lubricate between the lams and quiet a hummer. Good luck, -- John English |
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wrote in message ups.com... On 28 Feb, 20:05, " wrote: I have no experience with electronics except dabbling with a multimeter. I wanted to silence a humming transformer, I read somewhere that covering it in JB Weld would do the job. But I didn't even get that far. I struggled to open it up, in the end I managed it quite 'easily' with a hammer. Before even putting on any JB Weld, I put the lid back on it and plugged it in. Then I flicked the mains power switch and bang it blew. I know it was the ACDC adaptor because and not a mains plug fuse because the power cord still worked in another ACDC adaptor Is there a way for me to open one of these things without encountering that? does anybody know about silencing humming / whining transformers Here are pictures of the transformer http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/262/15084473gh0.jpg http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/954/18933823la0.jpg http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/3033/19265605dw7.jpg I know the AC-DC adaptor sits on a book about electricity, but it hasn't been read, I don't have any background in the subject! I hope you don't have kids in the house ... !! ;~) Arfa |
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On 28 Feb 2007 20:09:39 -0800, "
wrote: On 28 Feb, 20:05, " wrote: I have no experience with electronics except dabbling with a multimeter. I wanted to silence a humming transformer, I read somewhere that covering it in JB Weld would do the job. But I didn't even get that far. I struggled to open it up, in the end I managed it quite 'easily' with a hammer. Before even putting on any JB Weld, I put the lid back on it and plugged it in. Then I flicked the mains power switch and bang it blew. I know it was the ACDC adaptor because and not a mains plug fuse because the power cord still worked in another ACDC adaptor Is there a way for me to open one of these things without encountering that? does anybody know about silencing humming / whining transformers Here are pictures of the transformer http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/262/15084473gh0.jpg http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/954/18933823la0.jpg http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/3033/19265605dw7.jpg I know the AC-DC adaptor sits on a book about electricity, but it hasn't been read, I don't have any background in the subject! Unless I'm mistaken the transformer you refer to is a fairly standard E core ferroxcube switch mode type. The cores are generally stuck together with epoxy or other suitable adhesive at manufacture. If the adhesive between the faces of the two E cores comes adrift you will hear a high pitched squeal and possible even a rattle. I would not try to fix this by covering it with any sort of gunk (or JB Weld). The transformer should be unsoldered from the board and the two E cores removed, their mating faces scraped clean and then re-glued under pressure. Sometimes only one face may have come unglued so you have to heat the transformer core to a reasonably high temperature (I use a hot air gun) in order to soften the remaining bonds so you can get the cores apart. Re-gluing with epoxy adhesive is good and will definitely fix your squealing transformer. I have also used Cyanoacrylate (superglue) to rebond core faces. |
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On 28 Feb 2007 17:54:33 -0800, "
wrote: On 1 Mar, 01:00, **THE-RFI-EMI-GUY** wrote: Did anyone notice he was using JB Weld epoxy? I think that stuff has metal particles in it! I haven't used it yet. I have a few cheap rubbish ACDC adaptors most or all of which make a noise. I broke one as described, but i'll try to experiment on the others too. http://jbweld.net/products/jbstik.php it says it's an insulator. I will reply to my post with links to pictures of the transformer. snip We used aluminum filled epoxy to make nearly bulletproof modules for a military contractor. The aluminum made it transfer heat well - but some of the modules would fail the high potential test as a result of the metal content. An unfilled epoxy would be safer. or mix some non- conductive non flammable filler in like sand or chopped glass or ceramic micro balloons, -- ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:00:52 -0500, **THE-RFI-EMI-GUY**
wrote: Did anyone notice he was using JB Weld epoxy? I think that stuff has metal particles in it! I don't think JB Weld had metal in it, but I've seen metal in epoxy cause some rather interesting problems! bg |
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On 28 Feb, 20:05, " wrote: I have no experience with electronics except dabbling with a multimeter. I wanted to silence a humming transformer, I read somewhere that covering it in JB Weld would do the job. But I didn't even get that far. I struggled to open it up, in the end I managed it quite 'easily' with a hammer. Before even putting on any JB Weld, I put the lid back on it and plugged it in. Then I flicked the mains power switch and bang it blew. I know it was the ACDC adaptor because and not a mains plug fuse because the power cord still worked in another ACDC adaptor Is there a way for me to open one of these things without encountering that? does anybody know about silencing humming / whining transformers Here are pictures of the transformer http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/262/15084473gh0.jpg http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/954/18933823la0.jpg http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/3033/19265605dw7.jpg I know the AC-DC adaptor sits on a book about electricity, but it hasn't been read, I don't have any background in the subject! That's a switchmode power supply, don't fill that with epoxy. A lot of times bad filter capacitors will cause those to make noise. |
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James Sweet wrote in news8EFh.6020$RN6.3214
@trndny07: That's a switchmode power supply.... Switchmode power supplies do not hum. (Where "hum" is defined as a 50 or 60 Hz, or 100 or 120 Hz sound.) They operate at much higher frequencies. Which is the whole point of a switchmode power supply: higher frequency means less iron. Original poster: What did you hear from this power supply that got this whole thing started? Describe the sound. |
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On 2 Mar, 01:48, Jim Land wrote:
James Sweet wrote in news8EFh.6020$RN6.3214 @trndny07: That's a switchmode power supply.... Switchmode power supplies do not hum. (Where "hum" is defined as a 50 or 60 Hz, or 100 or 120 Hz sound.) They operate at much higher frequencies. Which is the whole point of a switchmode power supply: higher frequency means less iron. Original poster: What did you hear from this power supply that got this whole thing started? Describe the sound. here's a recording , putting my mic near it it's an mp3 file about 1 minute long http://tinyurl.com/3xsuay around 11-15sec is probably most representative, i.e. quite high pitched. Though it's quite a bit higher than the recording has it. |
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On 1 Mar, 03:00, James Sweet wrote:
wrote: On 1 Mar, 01:00, **THE-RFI-EMI-GUY** wrote: Did anyone notice he was using JB Weld epoxy? I think that stuff has metal particles in it! I haven't used it yet. I have a few cheap rubbish ACDC adaptors most or all of which make a noise. I broke one as described, but i'll try to experiment on the others too. http://jbweld.net/products/jbstik.php it says it's an insulator. I will reply to my post with links to pictures of the transformer. snip Regardless there's a lot easier epoxies to use. JB Weld is very thick paste, you can get liquid epoxy resins which will be much easier to pour into something.- putting aside the fact that it may be a capacitor humming. I may have other devices with transformers like that and they may hum. How and where would I put anything into that transformer? The transformer is surrounded in an outer casing. I tried soldering the transformer off (was a cheap acdc adaptor and that particular one I had was already blown). It didn't come off, so, I plied it off with a screwdriver, for the sake of getting a better look at it. Either way, whether it's on the board or off it, I can't see where i'd be putting the epoxy. The whole thing is surrounded in a square shell. I linked to a pic of it here http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/3...inductooq8.jpg second from left second row from back. And is a noisy capacitor solved with epoxy? thanks |
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put the adapter in the refrigerator for an hour or two
find the seam that closes the outer halves. lay the thing on a concrete surface, (it must be absolutely non-movable) gingerly whack exactly on the seam, go rouund it a few times most ultrasonically welded units will fracture at the seam, some chemically bonded will refuse to open, they require a jewelers hacksaw to splitt the case. whenu get inside, dip the xformer in a good brand of varnish, then bake the thing for a couple hours at 250F in an oven most buzzing is caused by poorly wound (looselywound) wires around the core that migrate as the unit experiences warm/cool cycles. some thinly applied manufacturing varnishes fail easily and then the insulating varnish on the actual coper wire wears and then you get a nice short that often will entertain u with a bang or flash or complete destructive fire of your home/business ;-)) all good reason to buy good adapters whenever u can wrote in message oups.com... I have no experience with electronics except dabbling with a multimeter. I wanted to silence a humming transformer, I read somewhere that covering it in JB Weld would do the job. But I didn't even get that far. I struggled to open it up, in the end I managed it quite 'easily' with a hammer. Before even putting on any JB Weld, I put the lid back on it and plugged it in. Then I flicked the mains power switch and bang it blew. I know it was the ACDC adaptor because and not a mains plug fuse because the power cord still worked in another ACDC adaptor Is there a way for me to open one of these things without encountering that? does anybody know about silencing humming / whining transformers |
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On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 15:23:53 GMT, wrote:
whenu get inside, dip the xformer in a good brand of varnish, then bake the thing for a couple hours at 250F in an oven I would concur but bake the transformer in an oven first to drive out moisture, and heat the whole thing - soak at ~200 F for a few hours. Then dip the hot transformer in varnish and suspend it for a minute or two in the pail. Let cool in a warm dry place. The transformer retains enough residual heat to have the varnish set quickly. The heat thins the varnish and as the laminations and coils cool, the air contained in the interstitial spaces contracts and sucks in varnish. If one is really going to get into the business of winding 60 hertz/audio transformers, a flea market quality pressure cooker or canner can become a vacuum oven/impregnator. I wound a large induction coil and used a pressure cooker to vacuum impregnate it with hot paraffin wax - worked like a champ. Right now I'm building some coils on a winder with a chilled epoxy coating - the mandrel is non-stick polyethylene with a light oil coating and the finished coils look superb. -- ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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i like the pressure cooker idea!
"default" wrote in message ... On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 15:23:53 GMT, wrote: whenu get inside, dip the xformer in a good brand of varnish, then bake the thing for a couple hours at 250F in an oven I would concur but bake the transformer in an oven first to drive out moisture, and heat the whole thing - soak at ~200 F for a few hours. Then dip the hot transformer in varnish and suspend it for a minute or two in the pail. Let cool in a warm dry place. The transformer retains enough residual heat to have the varnish set quickly. The heat thins the varnish and as the laminations and coils cool, the air contained in the interstitial spaces contracts and sucks in varnish. If one is really going to get into the business of winding 60 hertz/audio transformers, a flea market quality pressure cooker or canner can become a vacuum oven/impregnator. I wound a large induction coil and used a pressure cooker to vacuum impregnate it with hot paraffin wax - worked like a champ. Right now I'm building some coils on a winder with a chilled epoxy coating - the mandrel is non-stick polyethylene with a light oil coating and the finished coils look superb. -- ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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