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I just purchased my first table saw this weekend and I'm trying to get
a better handle on how to most effectively (and safely) use it. I need to rip some 2" wide pieces of 3/4" plywood and I'm trying to figure out the best way to do it where I don't end up wasting a bunch of wood. Say the plywood is 4' x 4' and I want to cut (4) 2" x 4' strips from it. It would seem the most accurate way to do this would be to set the rip fence (which is to the right of the blade) 2" from the blade and then run the board with the majority of the board to the left of the blade. My concern is that I'm asking for kickback with the waste side being so much larger than the piece I'm trying to create. On the other hand, I've never heard of someone (but I'm new so this doesn't mean much) putting the waste on the fence side. What's the proper way to make these cuts? |
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wrote in message oups.com... I just purchased my first table saw this weekend and I'm trying to get a better handle on how to most effectively (and safely) use it. I need to rip some 2" wide pieces of 3/4" plywood and I'm trying to figure out the best way to do it where I don't end up wasting a bunch of wood. Say the plywood is 4' x 4' and I want to cut (4) 2" x 4' strips from it. It would seem the most accurate way to do this would be to set the rip fence (which is to the right of the blade) 2" from the blade and then run the board with the majority of the board to the left of the blade. My concern is that I'm asking for kickback with the waste side being so much larger than the piece I'm trying to create. On the other hand, I've never heard of someone (but I'm new so this doesn't mean much) putting the waste on the fence side. What's the proper way to make these cuts? First, a question - you say you bought a table saw... more information, please. How big is the table? Do you have table extensions? Outfeed table? A basic 27" table is insufficient for cutting sheet goods. You will need support for the width of the piece that supports 2/3 of it, at a minimum. You'll also need some sort of support at the outfeed. Assuming you have adequate support for sheet goods, then set your rip fence at some distance (arbitrary) greater than the desired 2". Secure a block of wood to the fence nearest you, at the edge of the saw table, that is equal to the "arbitrary" distance you cranked into the fence position. ie: if you put the fence 3 inches from the blade, then secure a 1" block to the fence. Now you can butt your stock up against the block to get a precise 2" position relative to the blade, but your stock will not be binding against the fence. That eliminates your kickback risk, and you can freely cut all the way through. Your block should only be a couple of inches long. You're not trying to run it up to the blade. Fabricate and use a panel cutter (tons of stuff on the net about these) so that you have adequate support for your piece along it's back side. Don't try to simply use your miter as it came with the saw as it will not provide enough support to keep a 4' piece from rotating. If your sheet stock rotates you'll discover an entire world of high velocity excitement. -- -Mike- |
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wrote in message oups.com... I just purchased my first table saw this weekend and I'm trying to get a better handle on how to most effectively (and safely) use it. I need to rip some 2" wide pieces of 3/4" plywood and I'm trying to figure out the best way to do it where I don't end up wasting a bunch of wood. Say the plywood is 4' x 4' and I want to cut (4) 2" x 4' strips from it. It would seem the most accurate way to do this would be to set the rip fence (which is to the right of the blade) 2" from the blade and then run the board with the majority of the board to the left of the blade. My concern is that I'm asking for kickback with the waste side being so much larger than the piece I'm trying to create. On the other hand, I've never heard of someone (but I'm new so this doesn't mean much) putting the waste on the fence side. What's the proper way to make these cuts? The proper way to make these cuts is the way you described. Set the fence to 2" and cut. Use a push stick to push the right side and "Gently" keep the piece against the fence with your left hand by "Gently" pushing towards the fence. Since the waste side is not trapped between the fence and the blade, kick back is not much of a risk or likely. I seriously doubt that the blade would be able to flip a 4' square piece of 3/4" plywood and throw it back at you. With more practice and experience you will learn to recognize what situations are likely to produce kickback. This is not one of them. |
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... wrote in message oups.com... I just purchased my first table saw this weekend and I'm trying to get a better handle on how to most effectively (and safely) use it. I need to rip some 2" wide pieces of 3/4" plywood and I'm trying to figure out the best way to do it where I don't end up wasting a bunch of wood. Say the plywood is 4' x 4' and I want to cut (4) 2" x 4' strips from it. It would seem the most accurate way to do this would be to set the rip fence (which is to the right of the blade) 2" from the blade and One way to help lower the chance kickback is to have sufficient support tables for infeed and outfeed. If that's not possible, then I'd cut the 4'x4' piece down a bit with a circular saw or jigsaw and then cut to exact size on the tablesaw. Typically, if you're right handed, the wood being cut on the tablesaw is passed by the blade on the left side of the fence with your body being further to the left out of the flight path if a kickback occurs. Unfortunately, if you experience a real kickback, you're directly in the line of fire. Kelly Mehler ("The Table Saw Book" and strong proponent of table saw safety) calls what I think you're talking about "ejection", where a typically narrow piece is forced straight back. In a true kickback (at least by his definition), a typically larger piece gets pinned between the blade and the fence. The rear of the blade picks up the back and you get free demonstration of the physics of moving bodies as the panel is shot out at approximately a 45 degree angle. Maybe we're just dealing with semantics, but I want to stress that standing to the left of the blade when the fence is on the right is not necessarily a safe location. As someone here said once, the only completely safe place to stand when cutting with a table saw is in the other room. todd |
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"todd" wrote in message at approximately a 45 degree angle. Maybe we're just dealing with semantics, but I want to stress that standing to the left of the blade when the fence is on the right is not necessarily a safe location. As someone here said once, the only completely safe place to stand when cutting with a table saw is in the other room. Sure, I can't argue with that sentiment. Sh*t happens and Murphy's law is always waiting in the wings to make an entrance. All one can do is to take reasonable precautions. |
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todd wrote: Unfortunately, if you experience a real kickback, you're directly in the line of fire. Kelly Mehler ("The Table Saw Book" and strong proponent of table saw safety) calls what I think you're talking about "ejection", where a typically narrow piece is forced straight back. In a true kickback (at least by his definition), a typically larger piece gets pinned between the blade and the fence. The rear of the blade picks up the back and you get free demonstration of the physics of moving bodies as the panel is shot out at approximately a 45 degree angle. Maybe we're just dealing with semantics, but I want to stress that standing to the left of the blade when the fence is on the right is not necessarily a safe location. As someone here said once, the only completely safe place to stand when cutting with a table saw is in the other room. Can you give me some more information about the 45-degree angle, Todd? I was always taught to stand to the left of the blade (right-side fence). Which plane is the kickback going to travel 45 degrees in? Is it upwards from the table or rearwards from the blade? I have a set of Grrripers I use to rip with, and I find the easiest place to stand is often directly on the left side of the saw (legs braced against the cabinet)...that way I can keep the wood pressed down throughout the length of the cut and my hands are (relatively) protected from the blade even though they pass directly over it. Thanks in advance Todd. |
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"Leon" wrote in message
The proper way to make these cuts is the way you described. Set the fence to 2" and cut. With more practice and experience you will learn to recognize what situations are likely to produce kickback. This is not one of them. Absolutely agree. Started to post similar sentiments earlier this morning, but got sidetracked, then OE barfed and deleted my carefully worded masterpiece, so said to hell with it. Simplest solution is to just cut the 4 x 4 sheet of plywood roughly in half based on the number of parts he needs, then proceed with his accurate cuts against the fence. Or, .... a roller stand to the left of the table to support the width of the cutoff until it gets small enough not to want to tip off the saw table. Tipping is liable to cause a good deal of harm to the edge of his cutoff, but unlikely to kick back, IME. ... more likely it will just provide an opportunity for an unscheduled change of under drawers. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 5/6/06 |
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I don't disagree with any of the several 'answers' I've read.
HOWEVER, while they 'hint' at something critically important - they don't address it DIRECTLY. It is something you should have done BEFORE you bought the saw. {The 'operation' you want to perform is a very basic one}. Do a bit of research in view of WHAT YOU want to do and expect the saw to do. It doesn't even have to cost anything. Obviously, you can still do it now, but you will have to live with what you got . . . at least for a little while !! {like I did - many years ago} Go to your local LIBRARY. Look for the woodworking section and books specific to tablesaws. A number of them will probably be old - but the very basics don't change. Skim through these books. More importantly, look for recently published books - some may even illustrate your saw !! Check these out and study them. For specific 'Tips & Tricks' most libraries have copy machines {cheaper then the local 7-11}. It's worth a couple of dollars to put these in a 'shop notebook'. Regards & Good Luck, Ron Magen Backyard Boatshop wrote in message oups.com... I just purchased my first table saw this weekend and I'm trying to get a better handle on how to most effectively (and safely) use it. I need to rip some 2" wide pieces of 3/4" plywood and I'm trying to figure out the best way to do it where I don't end up wasting a bunch of wood. SNIP |
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wrote: I just purchased my first table saw this weekend and I'm trying to get a better handle on how to most effectively (and safely) use it. I need to rip some 2" wide pieces of 3/4" plywood and I'm trying to figure out the best way to do it where I don't end up wasting a bunch of wood. Say the plywood is 4' x 4' and I want to cut (4) 2" x 4' strips from it. It would seem the most accurate way to do this would be to set the rip fence (which is to the right of the blade) 2" from the blade and then run the board with the majority of the board to the left of the blade. My concern is that I'm asking for kickback with the waste side being so much larger than the piece I'm trying to create. On the other hand, I've never heard of someone (but I'm new so this doesn't mean much) putting the waste on the fence side. What's the proper way to make these cuts? First off, if you are new to using the tablesaw, I strongly recommend either reading a good book on using it (I really like Kelly Mehler's book myself) or taking a class/finding someone experienced to get you started. That said, for the example you cited, cutting 2" wide strips off a 4' long piece of plywood, I wouldn't hesitate to set the fence at 2" and rip away, using a push stick as the end of the stock approacheds the blade. Now, if you were cutting such that you were getting 2" X 2' long strips, i.e. the stock with the 2 ft edge parallel to the blade, then you would likely experience the trouble you mention in your post. It would be difficult to keep the stock propery aligned using only a miter gauge. A sled or panel-cutting jig, both described in Mehler's and most other tablesaw books, would be appropriate. An extension fence on the miter gauge would also help, but not as much as a sled. OTOH, if you were cutting 1/4" plywood, as opposed to 3/4", it would probably be light enough that you could maintain enoug control using only a miter gauge with fence extension. Again, I really recommend one of the many good books on using the tablesaw. They will help you work efficiently and safely and explain how to do many jobs on the TS that do not have obvious methods. -- Larry Wasserman Baltimore, Maryland |
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On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 14:43:09 GMT, "Leon"
wrote: wrote in message roups.com... I just purchased my first table saw this weekend and I'm trying to get a better handle on how to most effectively (and safely) use it. I need to rip some 2" wide pieces of 3/4" plywood and I'm trying to figure out the best way to do it where I don't end up wasting a bunch of wood. Say the plywood is 4' x 4' and I want to cut (4) 2" x 4' strips from it. It would seem the most accurate way to do this would be to set the rip fence (which is to the right of the blade) 2" from the blade and then run the board with the majority of the board to the left of the blade. My concern is that I'm asking for kickback with the waste side being so much larger than the piece I'm trying to create. On the other hand, I've never heard of someone (but I'm new so this doesn't mean much) putting the waste on the fence side. What's the proper way to make these cuts? The proper way to make these cuts is the way you described. Set the fence to 2" and cut. Use a push stick to push the right side and "Gently" keep the piece against the fence with your left hand by "Gently" pushing towards the fence. I would just add if the saw doesn't have a large table you may find it easier to rip off a piece that is large enough to cut all 4 pieces from first. In other words take 4 x 2" plus 3 saw kerfs 3 x 1/8" plus a little bit to be safe, so say 8.5". This makes the first cut a bit more balanced and at a width that you don't need a push stick for. Then when you are using the push stick you don't have so much weight to deal with. -Leuf |
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On 21 Jun 2006 06:49:59 -0700, wrote:
I just purchased my first table saw this weekend and I'm trying to get a better handle on how to most effectively (and safely) use it. I need to rip some 2" wide pieces of 3/4" plywood and I'm trying to figure out the best way to do it where I don't end up wasting a bunch of wood. Say the plywood is 4' x 4' and I want to cut (4) 2" x 4' strips from it. It would seem the most accurate way to do this would be to set the rip fence (which is to the right of the blade) 2" from the blade and then run the board with the majority of the board to the left of the blade. My concern is that I'm asking for kickback with the waste side being so much larger than the piece I'm trying to create. On the other hand, I've never heard of someone (but I'm new so this doesn't mean much) putting the waste on the fence side. What's the proper way to make these cuts? One thing to do is make sure your saw is accurately setup. Following the manual on my Ridgid 3650, I lined everything up accurately using a T-square. Blade was 90 degrees and lined up accurately with the t-slot for miter gauge. But when I was using saw, sometime felt a tendancy for wood to pinch right at end. Solution: I went to Harbor Freight and got their caliber device (thingy abob...what every you call it... http://tinyurl.com/ro86g ), made a wooden holder and bolted it to it to run along miter slot. Found out my saw was slightly off. Worked and got it lined up correctly now. No more tendancy to pinch and kickback. Another thing to do is put the guage onto other miter trac against fence and make sure fence is perfectly parallel to the track as well. - Clayton |
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"damian penney" wrote in message Do an Amazon search for TruGrip, I have the 4ft, and 8ft guides and the sawbase and by using these I can do very accurate, safe cuts on sheetgoods. Good luck Here's an example of an edge guide that's the same as the Trugrip that Damian mentioned. http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.a...at=1,240,45313 |
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"Swingman" wrote in message ... Started to post similar sentiments earlier this morning, but got sidetracked, then OE barfed and deleted my carefully worded masterpiece, so said to hell with it. Humm... Actually, ALL of my posts are masterpieceseses'es that my son's English professor would swoon over, but I too use OE and from this point on blame any thing that does not look quite right, any where near right, or just simply totally off base on OE. That's my excuse and I'm'a sticking with it. Thanks Swingman for the inspiration. ;~) |
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"Upscale" wrote in message ... "Leon" wrote in message That's my excuse and I'm'a sticking with it. Thanks Swingman for the inspiration. ;~) Of course. Why put effort into making up an original excuse when you can latch onto someone else's? Exactly~~~ LOL My original involved me being part of the problem. :~) |
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Leuf wrote: I would just add if the saw doesn't have a large table you may find it easier to rip off a piece that is large enough to cut all 4 pieces from first. In other words take 4 x 2" plus 3 saw kerfs 3 x 1/8" plus a little bit to be safe, so say 8.5". This makes the first cut a bit more balanced and at a width that you don't need a push stick for. Then when you are using the push stick you don't have so much weight to deal with. -Leuf I agree with Leuf but would go a little wider, say 9" until you get a little more practice. |
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oups.com... todd wrote: Unfortunately, if you experience a real kickback, you're directly in the line of fire. Kelly Mehler ("The Table Saw Book" and strong proponent of table saw safety) calls what I think you're talking about "ejection", where a typically narrow piece is forced straight back. In a true kickback (at least by his definition), a typically larger piece gets pinned between the blade and the fence. The rear of the blade picks up the back and you get free demonstration of the physics of moving bodies as the panel is shot out at approximately a 45 degree angle. Maybe we're just dealing with semantics, but I want to stress that standing to the left of the blade when the fence is on the right is not necessarily a safe location. As someone here said once, the only completely safe place to stand when cutting with a table saw is in the other room. Can you give me some more information about the 45-degree angle, Todd? I was always taught to stand to the left of the blade (right-side fence). Which plane is the kickback going to travel 45 degrees in? Is it upwards from the table or rearwards from the blade? I have a set of Grrripers I use to rip with, and I find the easiest place to stand is often directly on the left side of the saw (legs braced against the cabinet)...that way I can keep the wood pressed down throughout the length of the cut and my hands are (relatively) protected from the blade even though they pass directly over it. Thanks in advance Todd. I saw Kelly Mehler demonstrate this once at a woodworking show. Since he didn't want to shoot a piece of plywood to the other side of the room, he used an acoustical tile. As he pushed it through the blade, he let it bind. The rear of the blade picked it up and shot it backwards. It made an approximately 45 degree angle relative to the fence in the plane of the saw top at maybe a 30 degree elevation. The fix for kickback is to have a saw with a riving knife. Unfortunately, almost no saws sold in the US are equipped with riving knives, so Kelly shows how to approximate one in his book by mounting a thin piece of wood directly behind the saw blade. No access to the rear of the blade, no kickback. todd |
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... a roller stand to the left of the table to support the width of the cutoff until it gets small enough not to want to tip off the saw table. I agree with almost all other the above. Good support is absolutely necessary. Lack of support is essentially the same as trying to saw twisted stock (see below). I am not, however, a big fan of roller stands. I prefer a saw horse with a waxed top. Roller stands tend to pull you work to one side or the other if they are not perfectly aligned with your fence.... that can actually lead to kickback. I used to have two rollers permanently attached to the back of my saw. That worked pretty well; the alignment was fixed. Now I have a dedicated outfeed table and one saw horse that I can position for infeed or side support as necessary. I also use it to support the extension table on my band saw. I just find it to be a more flexible shop accessory. As for kickback, I'll probably get flamed for my technique: I stand in front of the blade.... yup that's right. From that position I can best place positive pressure both down and to the right (against the fence) in a position to the right of the blade. This puts my hand's "follow through" away from the blade. IF the TS is set up correctly, AND the reference faces (both table and fence) of the stock are jointed true AND modest pressure is applied both down and toward the fence, kickback is just nearly impossible. Twisted stock and sloppy feed pressure both recipes for kickback. -Steve |
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haven't read all yet, however.
when pushing forward through fence, when narrow & wide piece are about to seperate when they fully pass the blade, make sure you are pushing only on the side that has support - the fence side. Otherwise, if you're pushing on the left, or both, when the wood separates, by pushing forward, you will be pushing the cut waste side directly into the back of the blade. A cross cut sled is something everyone has to make, can't buy 'em. Easy, and can buy and construct for penauts, w/ no tools, in minutes. The cuts are perfect. Clamp on a stop and without a caliper you would never find any difference on any corner. Some rules are easy to remember. Never use the fence and the mitre at the same time. Others, like this, through trial and error. Actually, there should be a table. Think each cut through first. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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"Stephen M" wrote in message I am not, however, a big fan of roller stands. I prefer a saw horse with a waxed top. That'll work. Sorry, I should have been more explicit. They don't have to be "rollers" ... the ball bearing type "roller stands" move in any axis (particularly the commercial ones with multiple rows of ball bearings) making it easy to guide in any direction with no pull ... a much better choice for a table saw if you have the room and the need. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 6/21/06 |
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"Swingman" wrote in message
Sorry, I should have been more explicit. They don't have to be "rollers" .... the ball bearing type "roller stands" move in any axis (particularly the commercial ones with multiple rows of ball bearings) making it easy to guide in any direction with no pull ... a much better choice for a table saw if you have the room and the need. When I first experienced some bias with the single roller stand I bought, I looked at a bias free roller stand on Lee Valley Tools' website. I then went out and bought some cheap wheeled casters, screwed them down to a piece of 2x4 and mounted that onto the roller stand. It's a little top heavy, but it works fine without any bias whatsoever. I have considered the ball bearing type, but I do have a question about them. I saw mention once that the relatively small surface contact they use can cause indentations in stuff like veneered plywood. Have you ever experience anything like this? |
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"Tex" wrote in message .com... I know this is not a solution for everyone, but I recently installed one of the HTC outfeed roller units on my PM66. Man, do I ever love it! I have been using the Jet, HTC built version of the out feed roller setup for about 6 years. It works perfectly and has never had to be realigned. I especially appreciate the fact that it is totally supported by the saw. Moving the saw for different sized material cuts is like moving a saw with out an out feed setup. |
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"Upscale" wrote in message
I have considered the ball bearing type, but I do have a question about them. I saw mention once that the relatively small surface contact they use can cause indentations in stuff like veneered plywood. Have you ever experience anything like this? Never noticed that being a problem, but now that my shop if full to the max, I seldom use them for lack of room and solved the need in other ways. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 6/21/06 |
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damian penney wrote:
As a newbie I went down this path and I heartily recommend not cutting sheetgoods on the table saw. Clamp a straightedge to the goods and use a good circular saw instead. I do this, and get decent results. However, unless you have a decent circular saw and blade, the results aren't as good as the table saw. I recently upgraded to a cabinet saw, and cutting plywood gives me much smoother edges than the circular saw. Maybe it just means I need a new circular saw and blade... Chris |
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Chris Friesen wrote: damian penney wrote: As a newbie I went down this path and I heartily recommend not cutting sheetgoods on the table saw. Clamp a straightedge to the goods and use a good circular saw instead. I do this, and get decent results. However, unless you have a decent circular saw and blade, the results aren't as good as the table saw. I recently upgraded to a cabinet saw, and cutting plywood gives me much smoother edges than the circular saw. Maybe it just means I need a new circular saw and blade... Chris I just upgraded from a $30 Skill saw to an Hitachi C7BD2 as the Skill would flex left to right leaving saw marks in my cuts (and burning on occassion) and it's made a big difference, with a nice sharp plywood blade I can get glassy cuts with no tearout. I think if I had a better infeed/outfeed setup and a splitter I'd be more comfortable with doing the cuts on the tablesaw. My two incidents both happened before I fashioned a splitter for the saw but the straight edge works well enough for me not to look for an alternative at the moment. |
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I'm sure it could, if you hammer on it while it's on the stand. Not even
balsa is soft enough to dent of it's own weight just rolling across a stand. "Upscale" wrote in message ... I have considered the ball bearing type, but I do have a question about them. I saw mention once that the relatively small surface contact they use can cause indentations in stuff like veneered plywood. |
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"Leon" wrote in message
"Swingman" wrote in message Started to post similar sentiments earlier this morning, but got sidetracked, then OE barfed and deleted my carefully worded masterpiece, so said to hell with it. Humm... Actually, ALL of my posts are masterpieceseses'es that my son's English professor would swoon over, but I too use OE and from this point on blame any thing that does not look quite right, any where near right, or just simply totally off base on OE. That's my excuse and I'm'a sticking with it. Thanks Swingman for the inspiration. ;~) Ahh, but you see ... mine post was so elegant in its composition, and so piercing in its logic, that, had it not ended up in the OE bit bucket, the thread, and possibly the entire wRec, would have dried up immediately ... words would have even escaped Tom Watson. The world's loss, without doubt ... but TW's, and Shakespeare's, reputations remain intact. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 6/21/06 |
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Swingman wrote:
Ahh, but you see ... mine post was so elegant in its composition, and so piercing in its logic, that, had it not ended up in the OE bit bucket, the thread, and possibly the entire wRec, would have dried up immediately ... words would have even escaped Tom Watson. The world's loss, without doubt ... but TW's, and Shakespeare's, reputations remain intact. Ah yes, from deep in the heart of Texas.G Lew |
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"Swingman" wrote in message ... Ahh, but you see ... mine post was so elegant in its composition, and so piercing in its logic, that, had it not ended up in the OE bit bucket, the thread, and possibly the entire wRec, would have dried up immediately ... words would have even escaped Tom Watson. The world's loss, without doubt ... but TW's, and Shakespeare's, reputations remain intact. Sometimes fate humbles us. LOL. I am sure its eloquence would have the been the end to the wRec as we all know it. :~) |
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"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message . net... Ah yes, from deep in the heart of Texas.G Yeah, no inflated ego's down here.. LOL |
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"Tex" wrote in message . com... Since you say you are new to table saws, I'll offer these other two suggestions and/or pieces of advice: (1) set the blade height to just clear the top of the wood being cut (1/4" to 3/8" max); and (2) watch your clothing (sleeve, etc.) to make SURE nothing can get caught in the blade. I was always taught to have the blade 1" above the wood you are cutting, if your blade is just clearing the wood, then the blade is pushing back on the piece, when the blade is higher, it is pushing down on the piece, much less likely to result in a kickback. Of course I am relatively new to this, so please correct me if this is wrong. |
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Sitting on it while it goes over the rollers doesn't qualify. You're full of
it. "Upscale" wrote in message ... |
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Two gadgets that help when ripping:1) ripstrate: A roller device that
sits on the rip fence. It holds the wood down and the angle of the wheels drives the wood "into" the fence. Wheels only turn i one direction to prevent launches. A heavy duty and well made device. 2) At the opposit eend of the spectrum is a simple plastic tab, that mounts inline with the saw blade in a zero clearance insert. It works like a splitter, but the plastic springyness keeps the woo pushed up against the fence. Mitch |
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On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:46:35 -0500, "Swingman" wrote:
"Leon" wrote in message The proper way to make these cuts is the way you described. Set the fence to 2" and cut. With more practice and experience you will learn to recognize what situations are likely to produce kickback. This is not one of them. Absolutely agree. Started to post similar sentiments earlier this morning, but got sidetracked, then OE barfed and deleted my carefully worded masterpiece, so said to hell with it. Simplest solution is to just cut the 4 x 4 sheet of plywood roughly in half based on the number of parts he needs, then proceed with his accurate cuts against the fence. Or, ... a roller stand to the left of the table to support the width of the cutoff until it gets small enough not to want to tip off the saw table. Tipping is liable to cause a good deal of harm to the edge of his cutoff, but unlikely to kick back, IME. ... more likely it will just provide an opportunity for an unscheduled change of under drawers. I'll give that a qualified endorsement- you're only likely to get into trouble with sheet goods if they're way too big for you to handle (in that cased, get a helper) or if you try to rip without using your fence. With the fence in place and the work held snug against it, there's little or no risk. The only thing I've got to add is that the suggestion in another post that you set the fence at a distance further than your 2" and use a block is a bad idea. That works really well if you are using the miter gauge and want to use the fence as a stop block to make a lot of crosscuts that are the same length, but with sheet goods, it's just more likely to make the peice twist on the saw, and then you *will* have problems. Use a push stick for the end of the cut. This is a meat-and-potatoes use for a table saw- use caution, certainly; but if you don't feel fairly comfortable with this operation pretty quickly, woodworking may not be for you- everything else you can do with a tablesaw is far more difficult than what you're describing. |
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"MB" wrote in message Two gadgets that help when ripping:1) ripstrate: A roller device that sits on the rip fence. It holds the wood down and the angle of the wheels drives the wood "into" the fence. Wheels only turn i one direction to prevent launches. A heavy duty and well made device. They're called Board Buddies. http://www.grizzly.com/products/G2370 the opposite end of the spectrum is a simple plastic tab, that mounts inline with the saw blade in a zero clearance insert. It works like a splitter, but the plastic springyness keeps the woo pushed up against the fence. Sounds like you're talking about a Microjig Splitter. http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.a...=1,41080,41165 |
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On 22 Jun 2006 11:31:13 -0700, "damian penney"
wrote: Chris Friesen wrote: damian penney wrote: As a newbie I went down this path and I heartily recommend not cutting sheetgoods on the table saw. Clamp a straightedge to the goods and use a good circular saw instead. I do this, and get decent results. However, unless you have a decent circular saw and blade, the results aren't as good as the table saw. I recently upgraded to a cabinet saw, and cutting plywood gives me much smoother edges than the circular saw. Maybe it just means I need a new circular saw and blade... Chris I just upgraded from a $30 Skill saw to an Hitachi C7BD2 as the Skill would flex left to right leaving saw marks in my cuts (and burning on occassion) and it's made a big difference, with a nice sharp plywood blade I can get glassy cuts with no tearout. I think if I had a better infeed/outfeed setup and a splitter I'd be more comfortable with doing the cuts on the tablesaw. My two incidents both happened before I fashioned a splitter for the saw but the straight edge works well enough for me not to look for an alternative at the moment. You can put a hardboard foot on the circular saw as well, and then plunge the blade through it to make a zero-clearance insert for it. Reduces splintering immensely. If you just plunge it, you lose your blade guard, with is a bad idea, but you can cut a wider groove on the back side to let the guard through- as long as the hardboard is close to the blade in the front, it'll do the job. And as an added bonus, the hardboard foot is a lot nicer to your stock than the average circular saw foot. That being said, it seems a little odd to use a circular saw for something like ripping a bunch of 2" strips when the table saw is right there. |
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