Greetings

I have a renovation project for the office (third bedroom) in
mind, which involves "First, cut a large hole in the drywall.."* I've
a number of means for doing that, but I would like to kind of minimize
the dust. My options for cutting are
Chain Saw. {Maybe not the best idea, but it is 'an idea'.}
Corded circular saw
Battery powered Circ Saw.
Reciprocating saw.
Roto-zip or Dremel,
"Oscillating Multi-tool"
Hatchet,
Drywall Saw
Razor knife.

I suppose I could remove the clothing and "stuff" from the closet
first, but where's the fun in that?

tschus
pyotr

* the idea is to cut a hole in the wall to allow a lot of "extra
space" at the top of the closet to get a 'decking' laid down, making
for more storage space,with better access. It was done in the older
part of the house, why not bin the add on?
--
pyotr filipivich.
Discussing the decline in the US's tech edge, James Niccol once wrote
"It used to be that the USA was pretty good at producing stuff teenaged
boys could lose a finger or two playing with."

On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 7:45:31 PM UTC-4, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Greetings

I have a renovation project for the office (third bedroom) in
mind, which involves "First, cut a large hole in the drywall.."* I've
a number of means for doing that, but I would like to kind of minimize
the dust. My options for cutting are
Chain Saw. {Maybe not the best idea, but it is 'an idea'.}
Corded circular saw
Battery powered Circ Saw.
Reciprocating saw.
Roto-zip or Dremel,
"Oscillating Multi-tool"
Hatchet,
Drywall Saw
Razor knife.

I suppose I could remove the clothing and "stuff" from the closet
first, but where's the fun in that?

tschus
pyotr

* the idea is to cut a hole in the wall to allow a lot of "extra
space" at the top of the closet to get a 'decking' laid down, making
for more storage space,with better access. It was done in the older
part of the house, why not bin the add on?
--
pyotr filipivich.
Discussing the decline in the US's tech edge, James Niccol once wrote
"It used to be that the USA was pretty good at producing stuff teenaged
boys could lose a finger or two playing with."

Measure with a micrometer. Mark with chalk.. Cut with an axe.

On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 16:45:35 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:


Greetings

I have a renovation project for the office (third bedroom) in
mind, which involves "First, cut a large hole in the drywall.."* I've
a number of means for doing that, but I would like to kind of minimize
the dust. My options for cutting are
Chain Saw. {Maybe not the best idea, but it is 'an idea'.}
Corded circular saw
Battery powered Circ Saw.
Reciprocating saw.
Roto-zip or Dremel,
"Oscillating Multi-tool"
Hatchet,
Drywall Saw
Razor knife.

Start with a stud finder to identify the studs. You probably want to
end at/middle/end of one. I then use a utility knife against a metal
straight edge to get a straight, clean cut. Before cutting I pull all
the nails/screws out of that area of the wall. A MagSwitch is a great
tool for finding the fasteners.

I suppose I could remove the clothing and "stuff" from the closet
first, but where's the fun in that?

tschus
pyotr

* the idea is to cut a hole in the wall to allow a lot of "extra
space" at the top of the closet to get a 'decking' laid down, making
for more storage space,with better access. It was done in the older
part of the house, why not bin the add on?

On 6/17/2020 5:45 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:

Greetings

I have a renovation project for the office (third bedroom) in mind,
which involves "First, cut a large hole in the drywall.."* I've a
number of means for doing that, but I would like to kind of minimize
the dust. My options for cutting are
Chain Saw. {Maybe not the best idea, but it is 'an idea'.}
Corded circular saw
Battery powered Circ Saw.
Reciprocating saw.
Roto-zip or Dremel,
"Oscillating Multi-tool"
Hatchet,
Drywall Saw
Razor knife.

I suppose I could remove the clothing and "stuff" from the closet
first, but where's the fun in that?

tschus
pyotr

* the idea is to cut a hole in the wall to allow a lot of "extra
space" at the top of the closet to get a 'decking' laid down, making
for more storage space,with better access. It was done in the older
part of the house, why not bin the add on?

Just use a utility knife. There will be almost no dust.
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=utility+knife&ref=nb_sb_noss

On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 6:45:31 PM UTC-5, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Greetings

I have a renovation project for the office (third bedroom) in
mind, which involves "First, cut a large hole in the drywall.."* I've
a number of means for doing that, but I would like to kind of minimize
the dust. My options for cutting are
Chain Saw. {Maybe not the best idea, but it is 'an idea'.}
Corded circular saw
Battery powered Circ Saw.
Reciprocating saw.
Roto-zip or Dremel,
"Oscillating Multi-tool"
Hatchet,
Drywall Saw
Razor knife.

I suppose I could remove the clothing and "stuff" from the closet
first, but where's the fun in that?

tschus
pyotr

* the idea is to cut a hole in the wall to allow a lot of "extra
space" at the top of the closet to get a 'decking' laid down, making
for more storage space,with better access. It was done in the older
part of the house, why not bin the add on?
--
pyotr filipivich.
Discussing the decline in the US's tech edge, James Niccol once wrote
"It used to be that the USA was pretty good at producing stuff teenaged
boys could lose a finger or two playing with."


Personally, I'd just use a pencil to draw out the lines on the drywall. Get a drill and a 1/2 inch spade bit. Put a hole in the drywall inside the piece you want to cut out. Then get either a hacksaw blade or one of those drywall keyhole saws with the big jagged teeth. Cut along the pencil lines.. If you get to a stud, then put another entry hole on the other side of the stud and cut some more. Drywall is real easy to cut with every saw on earth. This is a very simple and effective way to cut out drywall. So it might be wrong and bad and awful and not done by professional carpenters with $50,000 of tools. So you should probably not follow this advice.

Just Wondering wrote:
On 6/17/2020 5:45 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:

Greetings

I have a renovation project for the office (third bedroom) in mind,
which involves "First, cut a large hole in the drywall.."*Â* I've a
number of means for doing that, but I would like to kind of minimize
the dust.Â* My options for cutting are
Â*Â*Â*Â*Chain Saw.Â* {Maybe not the best idea, but it is 'an idea'.}
Â*Â*Â*Â*Corded circular saw
Â*Â*Â*Â*Battery powered Circ Saw.
Â*Â*Â*Â*Reciprocating saw.
Â*Â*Â*Â*Roto-zip or Dremel,
Â*Â*Â*Â*"Oscillating Multi-tool"
Â*Â*Â*Â*Hatchet,
Â*Â*Â*Â*Drywall Saw
Â*Â*Â*Â*Razor knife.

I suppose I could remove the clothing and "stuff" from the closet
first, but where's the fun in that?

tschus
pyotr

* the idea is to cut a hole in the wall to allow a lot of "extra
space" at the top of the closet to get a 'decking' laid down, making
for more storage space,with better access.Â* It was done in the older
part of the house, why not bin the add on?

Just use a utility knife. There will be almost no dust.
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=utility+knife&ref=nb_sb_noss


Utility knife is good, rotary tool will be faster. Cut up to studs as
suggested (for reasons for that should be obvious). Cover floor well
before you start, and then don't worry about it. I think removing the
drywall will be the least of the challenges in your project. And if you
accidentally cut/break too much, working with drywall isn't that
difficult--just a bit dusty and time consuming, and it requires a few
tools. Have fun.

On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 16:45:35 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:


Greetings

I have a renovation project for the office (third bedroom) in
mind, which involves "First, cut a large hole in the drywall.."* I've
a number of means for doing that, but I would like to kind of minimize
the dust. My options for cutting are
Chain Saw. {Maybe not the best idea, but it is 'an idea'.}
Corded circular saw
Battery powered Circ Saw.
Reciprocating saw.
Roto-zip or Dremel,
"Oscillating Multi-tool"
Hatchet,
Drywall Saw
Razor knife.

I suppose I could remove the clothing and "stuff" from the closet
first, but where's the fun in that?

tschus
pyotr

* the idea is to cut a hole in the wall to allow a lot of "extra
space" at the top of the closet to get a 'decking' laid down, making
for more storage space,with better access. It was done in the older
part of the house, why not bin the add on?


: stud-finder to find the studs ;
: strong little rare-earth magnet to find the screws
: pokey awl to reveal the screws
: drill driver to remove the screws
: utility knife to do the cutting

I gutted my basement this way - used only ~ 3 blades !
.... minimal dust and the big sections of drywall were
folded in 3 or 4 and easily carried out by hand.

It also - cleanly - reveals the wiring & plumbing &
whatever else is in the walls - without disturbing
much - even the vapour barrier is left
mostly in tact. minor damage

John T.

On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 16:45:35 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:


Greetings

I have a renovation project for the office (third bedroom) in
mind, which involves "First, cut a large hole in the drywall.."* I've
a number of means for doing that, but I would like to kind of minimize
the dust. My options for cutting are
Chain Saw. {Maybe not the best idea, but it is 'an idea'.}
Corded circular saw
Battery powered Circ Saw.
Reciprocating saw.
Roto-zip or Dremel,
"Oscillating Multi-tool"
Hatchet,
Drywall Saw
Razor knife.

I suppose I could remove the clothing and "stuff" from the closet
first, but where's the fun in that?

tschus
pyotr

* the idea is to cut a hole in the wall to allow a lot of "extra
space" at the top of the closet to get a 'decking' laid down, making
for more storage space,with better access. It was done in the older
part of the house, why not bin the add on?

My vote drywall saw and a drywall knife plus tarps galore. Keep the
shop vac handy one with a gortex filter is good for the dust.

pyotr filipivich wrote in
:


Greetings

I have a renovation project for the office (third bedroom) in
mind, which involves "First, cut a large hole in the drywall.."* I've
a number of means for doing that, but I would like to kind of minimize
the dust. My options for cutting are
Chain Saw. {Maybe not the best idea, but it is 'an idea'.}
Corded circular saw
Battery powered Circ Saw.
Reciprocating saw.
Roto-zip or Dremel,
"Oscillating Multi-tool"
Hatchet,
Drywall Saw
Razor knife.

I suppose I could remove the clothing and "stuff" from the closet
first, but where's the fun in that?

tschus
pyotr

* the idea is to cut a hole in the wall to allow a lot of "extra
space" at the top of the closet to get a 'decking' laid down, making
for more storage space,with better access. It was done in the older
part of the house, why not bin the add on?

Does the roto-zip have a vacuum attachment? My router does and it's very
effective when it comes to wood dust. Since the setups are very similar,
you'll probably see similar results.

Puckdropper

On 6/17/2020 7:44 PM, Bill wrote:
Just Wondering wrote:
On 6/17/2020 5:45 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:

Greetings

I have a renovation project for the office (third bedroom) in mind,
which involves "First, cut a large hole in the drywall.."*Â* I've a
number of means for doing that, but I would like to kind of minimize
the dust.Â* My options for cutting are
Â*Â*Â*Â*Chain Saw.Â* {Maybe not the best idea, but it is 'an idea'.}
Â*Â*Â*Â*Corded circular saw
Â*Â*Â*Â*Battery powered Circ Saw.
Â*Â*Â*Â*Reciprocating saw.
Â*Â*Â*Â*Roto-zip or Dremel,
Â*Â*Â*Â*"Oscillating Multi-tool"
Â*Â*Â*Â*Hatchet,
Â*Â*Â*Â*Drywall Saw
Â*Â*Â*Â*Razor knife.

I suppose I could remove the clothing and "stuff" from the closet
first, but where's the fun in that?

tschus
pyotr

* the idea is to cut a hole in the wall to allow a lot of "extra
space" at the top of the closet to get a 'decking' laid down, making
for more storage space,with better access.Â* It was done in the older
part of the house, why not bin the add on?

Just use a utility knife. There will be almost no dust.
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=utility+knife&ref=nb_sb_noss


Utility knife is good, rotary tool will be faster. Cut up to studs as
suggested (for reasons for that should be obvious).Â* Cover floor well
before you start, and then don't worry about it. I think removing the
drywall will be the least of the challenges in your project.Â* And if you
accidentally cut/break too much, working with drywall isn't that
difficult--just a bit dusty and time consuming, and it requires a few
tools. Have fun.

Pyotr didn't ask about fast. The only concern he expressed
was to minimize dust.

Just Wondering on Thu, 18 Jun 2020 01:58:24 -0600 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
On 6/17/2020 7:44 PM, Bill wrote:
Just Wondering wrote:
On 6/17/2020 5:45 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:

Greetings

I have a renovation project for the office (third bedroom) in mind,
which involves "First, cut a large hole in the drywall.."** I've a
number of means for doing that, but I would like to kind of minimize
the dust.* My options for cutting are
****Chain Saw.* {Maybe not the best idea, but it is 'an idea'.}
****Corded circular saw
****Battery powered Circ Saw.
****Reciprocating saw.
****Roto-zip or Dremel,
****"Oscillating Multi-tool"
****Hatchet,
****Drywall Saw
****Razor knife.

I suppose I could remove the clothing and "stuff" from the closet
first, but where's the fun in that?

tschus
pyotr

* the idea is to cut a hole in the wall to allow a lot of "extra
space" at the top of the closet to get a 'decking' laid down, making
for more storage space,with better access.* It was done in the older
part of the house, why not bin the add on?

Just use a utility knife. There will be almost no dust.
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=utility+knife&ref=nb_sb_noss


Utility knife is good, rotary tool will be faster. Cut up to studs as
suggested (for reasons for that should be obvious).* Cover floor well
before you start, and then don't worry about it. I think removing the
drywall will be the least of the challenges in your project.* And if you
accidentally cut/break too much, working with drywall isn't that
difficult--just a bit dusty and time consuming, and it requires a few
tools. Have fun.

Pyotr didn't ask about fast. The only concern he expressed
was to minimize dust.

True. But "fast" is also desirable. (Actually, what I'd like is
to say "I'll be back tomorrow" and it's all done, including cleanup.
But, no such luck.
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

On 6/18/2020 2:10 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Just Wondering on Thu, 18 Jun 2020 01:58:24 -0600 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
On 6/17/2020 7:44 PM, Bill wrote:
Just Wondering wrote:
On 6/17/2020 5:45 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:

Greetings

I have a renovation project for the office (third bedroom) in mind,
which involves "First, cut a large hole in the drywall.."*Â* I've a
number of means for doing that, but I would like to kind of minimize
the dust.Â* My options for cutting are
Â*Â*Â*Â*Chain Saw.Â* {Maybe not the best idea, but it is 'an idea'.}
Â*Â*Â*Â*Corded circular saw
Â*Â*Â*Â*Battery powered Circ Saw.
Â*Â*Â*Â*Reciprocating saw.
Â*Â*Â*Â*Roto-zip or Dremel,
Â*Â*Â*Â*"Oscillating Multi-tool"
Â*Â*Â*Â*Hatchet,
Â*Â*Â*Â*Drywall Saw
Â*Â*Â*Â*Razor knife.

I suppose I could remove the clothing and "stuff" from the closet
first, but where's the fun in that?

tschus
pyotr

* the idea is to cut a hole in the wall to allow a lot of "extra
space" at the top of the closet to get a 'decking' laid down, making
for more storage space,with better access.Â* It was done in the older
part of the house, why not bin the add on?

Just use a utility knife. There will be almost no dust.
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=utility+knife&ref=nb_sb_noss


Utility knife is good, rotary tool will be faster. Cut up to studs as
suggested (for reasons for that should be obvious).Â* Cover floor well
before you start, and then don't worry about it. I think removing the
drywall will be the least of the challenges in your project.Â* And if you
accidentally cut/break too much, working with drywall isn't that
difficult--just a bit dusty and time consuming, and it requires a few
tools. Have fun.

Pyotr didn't ask about fast. The only concern he expressed
was to minimize dust.

True. But "fast" is also desirable. (Actually, what I'd like is
to say "I'll be back tomorrow" and it's all done, including cleanup.
But, no such luck.
You can cut a pretty big hole with a utility knife in less time
than cleaning up the dust from a "faster" method would take.

Puckdropper on Thu, 18 Jun 2020 06:43:55 GMT
typed in rec.woodworking the following:
pyotr filipivich wrote:
Greetings

I have a renovation project for the office (third bedroom) in
mind, which involves "First, cut a large hole in the drywall.."* I've
a number of means for doing that, but I would like to kind of minimize
the dust. My options for cutting are
Chain Saw. {Maybe not the best idea, but it is 'an idea'.}
Corded circular saw
Battery powered Circ Saw.
Reciprocating saw.
Roto-zip or Dremel,
"Oscillating Multi-tool"
Hatchet,
Drywall Saw
Razor knife.

I suppose I could remove the clothing and "stuff" from the closet
first, but where's the fun in that?

* the idea is to cut a hole in the wall to allow a lot of "extra
space" at the top of the closet to get a 'decking' laid down, making
for more storage space,with better access. It was done in the older
part of the house, why not bin the add on?

Does the roto-zip have a vacuum attachment? My router does and it's very
effective when it comes to wood dust. Since the setups are very similar,
you'll probably see similar results.

It might, but I don't have it. Nor do I have a shop vac. Hasn't
been a problem so far. The table saw gets set up outdoors, and I
haven't had that many power tools till recently.

And thanks to all for the "Use a knife" advice. I had not thought
of that. But that still leaves a lot of other issues. (Like where do
I put the stuff in the closet/room while I work.)
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

You can cut a pretty big hole with a utility knife in less time
than cleaning up the dust from a "faster" method would take.


Yep. + 1.
John T.

pyotr filipivich writes:

Greetings

I have a renovation project for the office (third bedroom) in
mind, which involves "First, cut a large hole in the drywall.."* I've
a number of means for doing that, but I would like to kind of minimize
the dust. My options for cutting are
Chain Saw. {Maybe not the best idea, but it is 'an idea'.}
Corded circular saw
Battery powered Circ Saw.
Reciprocating saw.
Roto-zip or Dremel,
"Oscillating Multi-tool"
Hatchet,
Drywall Saw
Razor knife.

I suppose I could remove the clothing and "stuff" from the closet
first, but where's the fun in that?

tschus
pyotr

* the idea is to cut a hole in the wall to allow a lot of "extra
space" at the top of the closet to get a 'decking' laid down, making
for more storage space,with better access. It was done in the older
part of the house, why not bin the add on?

I vote for the drywall saw.

On 6/17/2020 7:45 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:

Greetings

I have a renovation project for the office (third bedroom) in
mind, which involves "First, cut a large hole in the drywall.."* I've
a number of means for doing that, but I would like to kind of minimize
the dust. My options for cutting are
Chain Saw. {Maybe not the best idea, but it is 'an idea'.}
Corded circular saw
Battery powered Circ Saw.
Reciprocating saw.
Roto-zip or Dremel,
"Oscillating Multi-tool"
Hatchet,
Drywall Saw
Razor knife.

I suppose I could remove the clothing and "stuff" from the closet
first, but where's the fun in that?

tschus
pyotr

* the idea is to cut a hole in the wall to allow a lot of "extra
space" at the top of the closet to get a 'decking' laid down, making
for more storage space,with better access. It was done in the older
part of the house, why not bin the add on?


If _I_ was doing it then I'd opt for the rotary tool with dust collection
using my HEPA-filtered shop vacuum. Sure, you could use the utility knife
method but, in my experience, by the time you get done that without dust
collection it would be both far slower and messier.

--
Bodger's Dictum: Artifical intelligence
can never overcome natural stupidity.

pyotr filipivich wrote:

* the idea is to cut a hole in the wall to allow a lot of "extra
space" at the top of the closet to get a 'decking' laid down, making
for more storage space,with better access. It was done in the older
part of the house, why not bin the add on?



By "decking", do you plan to attack "cabinets" to the underside of the
studs? Was it possible to take a good look at the other side (first)?
I just did an inventory, and whoever designed my closets didn't leave
much room behind them.

On 6/18/2020 11:21 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
pyotr filipivich writes:

Greetings

I have a renovation project for the office (third bedroom) in
mind, which involves "First, cut a large hole in the drywall.."* I've
a number of means for doing that, but I would like to kind of minimize
the dust. My options for cutting are
Chain Saw. {Maybe not the best idea, but it is 'an idea'.}
Corded circular saw
Battery powered Circ Saw.
Reciprocating saw.
Roto-zip or Dremel,
"Oscillating Multi-tool"
Hatchet,
Drywall Saw
Razor knife.

I suppose I could remove the clothing and "stuff" from the closet
first, but where's the fun in that?

tschus
pyotr

* the idea is to cut a hole in the wall to allow a lot of "extra
space" at the top of the closet to get a 'decking' laid down, making
for more storage space,with better access. It was done in the older
part of the house, why not bin the add on?

I vote for the drywall saw.


+1
No need to make this complicated...
Oh! did I just say that?

On 6/17/2020 8:10 PM, wrote:
On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 6:45:31 PM UTC-5, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Greetings

I have a renovation project for the office (third bedroom) in
mind, which involves "First, cut a large hole in the drywall.."* I've
a number of means for doing that, but I would like to kind of minimize
the dust. My options for cutting are
Chain Saw. {Maybe not the best idea, but it is 'an idea'.}
Corded circular saw
Battery powered Circ Saw.
Reciprocating saw.
Roto-zip or Dremel,
"Oscillating Multi-tool"
Hatchet,
Drywall Saw
Razor knife.

I suppose I could remove the clothing and "stuff" from the closet
first, but where's the fun in that?

tschus
pyotr

* the idea is to cut a hole in the wall to allow a lot of "extra
space" at the top of the closet to get a 'decking' laid down, making
for more storage space,with better access. It was done in the older
part of the house, why not bin the add on?
--
pyotr filipivich.
Discussing the decline in the US's tech edge, James Niccol once wrote
"It used to be that the USA was pretty good at producing stuff teenaged
boys could lose a finger or two playing with."


Personally, I'd just use a pencil to draw out the lines on the drywall. Get a drill and a 1/2 inch spade bit. Put a hole in the drywall inside the piece you want to cut out. Then get either a hacksaw blade or one of those drywall keyhole saws with the big jagged teeth. Cut along the pencil lines. If you get to a stud, then put another entry hole on the other side of the stud and cut some more. Drywall is real easy to cut with every saw on earth. This is a very simple and effective way to cut out drywall. So it might be wrong and bad and awful and not done by professional carpenters with $50,000 of tools. So you should probably not follow this advice.


A drywall saw can make a plunge cut to start. No need for a pilot hole.

On 6/18/2020 9:44 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Puckdropper on Thu, 18 Jun 2020 06:43:55 GMT
typed in rec.woodworking the following:
pyotr filipivich wrote:
Greetings

I have a renovation project for the office (third bedroom) in
mind, which involves "First, cut a large hole in the drywall.."* I've
a number of means for doing that, but I would like to kind of minimize
the dust. My options for cutting are
Chain Saw. {Maybe not the best idea, but it is 'an idea'.}
Corded circular saw
Battery powered Circ Saw.
Reciprocating saw.
Roto-zip or Dremel,
"Oscillating Multi-tool"
Hatchet,
Drywall Saw
Razor knife.

I suppose I could remove the clothing and "stuff" from the closet
first, but where's the fun in that?

* the idea is to cut a hole in the wall to allow a lot of "extra
space" at the top of the closet to get a 'decking' laid down, making
for more storage space,with better access. It was done in the older
part of the house, why not bin the add on?

Does the roto-zip have a vacuum attachment? My router does and it's very
effective when it comes to wood dust. Since the setups are very similar,
you'll probably see similar results.

It might, but I don't have it. Nor do I have a shop vac. Hasn't
been a problem so far. The table saw gets set up outdoors, and I
haven't had that many power tools till recently.

And thanks to all for the "Use a knife" advice. I had not thought
of that. But that still leaves a lot of other issues. (Like where do
I put the stuff in the closet/room while I work.)

That's beyond our pay grade. It's a question for SWMBO.

Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes:
On 6/17/2020 8:10 PM, wrote:
On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 6:45:31 PM UTC-5, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Greetings

I have a renovation project for the office (third bedroom) in
mind, which involves "First, cut a large hole in the drywall.."* I've
a number of means for doing that, but I would like to kind of minimize
the dust. My options for cutting are
Chain Saw. {Maybe not the best idea, but it is 'an idea'.}
Corded circular saw
Battery powered Circ Saw.
Reciprocating saw.
Roto-zip or Dremel,
"Oscillating Multi-tool"
Hatchet,
Drywall Saw
Razor knife.

I suppose I could remove the clothing and "stuff" from the closet
first, but where's the fun in that?

tschus
pyotr

* the idea is to cut a hole in the wall to allow a lot of "extra
space" at the top of the closet to get a 'decking' laid down, making
for more storage space,with better access. It was done in the older
part of the house, why not bin the add on?
--
pyotr filipivich.
Discussing the decline in the US's tech edge, James Niccol once wrote
"It used to be that the USA was pretty good at producing stuff teenaged
boys could lose a finger or two playing with."


Personally, I'd just use a pencil to draw out the lines on the drywall. Get a drill and a 1/2 inch spade bit. Put a hole in the drywall inside the piece you want to cut out. Then get either a hacksaw blade or one of those drywall keyhole saws with the big jagged teeth. Cut along the pencil lines. If you get to a stud, then put another entry hole on the other side of the stud and cut some more. Drywall is real easy to cut with every saw on earth. This is a very simple and effective way to cut out drywall. So it might be wrong and bad and awful and not done by professional carpenters with $50,000 of tools. So you should probably not follow this advice.


A drywall saw can make a plunge cut to start. No need for a pilot hole.

Just spin the drywall saw clockwise point-first and it makes a sweet starting hole,
but as you note, you can simply plunge cut. I do recommend a wooden handle
if you don't know what's in the wall cavity :-).

Just Wondering on Thu, 18 Jun 2020 09:22:30 -0600 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:

Utility knife is good, rotary tool will be faster. Cut up to studs as
suggested (for reasons for that should be obvious).* Cover floor well
before you start, and then don't worry about it. I think removing the
drywall will be the least of the challenges in your project.* And if you
accidentally cut/break too much, working with drywall isn't that
difficult--just a bit dusty and time consuming, and it requires a few
tools. Have fun.

Pyotr didn't ask about fast. The only concern he expressed
was to minimize dust.

True. But "fast" is also desirable. (Actually, what I'd like is
to say "I'll be back tomorrow" and it's all done, including cleanup.
But, no such luck.
You can cut a pretty big hole with a utility knife in less time
than cleaning up the dust from a "faster" method would take.

And to be honest, had not thought of the "utility knife" option.
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

" on Wed, 17 Jun
2020 18:10:41 -0700 (PDT) typed in rec.woodworking the following:


Personally, I'd just use a pencil to draw out the lines on the drywall.
Get a drill and a 1/2 inch spade bit. Put a hole in the drywall inside
the piece you want to cut out. Then get either a hacksaw blade or
one of those drywall keyhole saws with the big jagged teeth. Cut
along the pencil lines. If you get to a stud, then put another entry
hole on the other side of the stud and cut some more. Drywall
is real easy to cut with every saw on earth.

Yep. Chain saw, circ-saw, jig saw.

I'm just wondering what's the least messy.

This is a very simple
and effective way to cut out drywall. So it might be wrong and bad
and awful and not done by professional carpenters with $50,000
of tools. So you should probably not follow this advice.

Main issue is that a) I'd be working up on top of the wall, B)
minimizing the dust / debris, mostly so I don't have to move, cover
what's in the room, or contend with the mess.
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

Just Wondering on Thu, 18 Jun 2020 13:30:33 -0600 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
On 6/18/2020 9:44 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Puckdropper on Thu, 18 Jun 2020 06:43:55 GMT
typed in rec.woodworking the following:
pyotr filipivich wrote:
Greetings

I have a renovation project for the office (third bedroom) in
mind, which involves "First, cut a large hole in the drywall.."* I've
a number of means for doing that, but I would like to kind of minimize
the dust. My options for cutting are
Chain Saw. {Maybe not the best idea, but it is 'an idea'.}
Corded circular saw
Battery powered Circ Saw.
Reciprocating saw.
Roto-zip or Dremel,
"Oscillating Multi-tool"
Hatchet,
Drywall Saw
Razor knife.

I suppose I could remove the clothing and "stuff" from the closet
first, but where's the fun in that?

* the idea is to cut a hole in the wall to allow a lot of "extra
space" at the top of the closet to get a 'decking' laid down, making
for more storage space,with better access. It was done in the older
part of the house, why not bin the add on?

Does the roto-zip have a vacuum attachment? My router does and it's very
effective when it comes to wood dust. Since the setups are very similar,
you'll probably see similar results.

It might, but I don't have it. Nor do I have a shop vac. Hasn't
been a problem so far. The table saw gets set up outdoors, and I
haven't had that many power tools till recently.

And thanks to all for the "Use a knife" advice. I had not thought
of that. But that still leaves a lot of other issues. (Like where do
I put the stuff in the closet/room while I work.)

That's beyond our pay grade. It's a question for SWMBO.

Yeah, I know. First, I have to convince her that it should be
done, and then that I can do this "quickly".
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

Bill on Thu, 18 Jun 2020 13:57:27 -0400 typed
in rec.woodworking the following:
pyotr filipivich wrote:

* the idea is to cut a hole in the wall to allow a lot of "extra
space" at the top of the closet to get a 'decking' laid down, making
for more storage space,with better access. It was done in the older
part of the house, why not in the add on?


By "decking", do you plan to attack "cabinets" to the underside of the
studs?
No.
Was it possible to take a good look at the other side (first)?
I just did an inventory, and whoever designed my closets didn't leave
much room behind them.

The opening is not going to be "inside" the closet, but from the
room into the space "above" the closet. The back wall is the other
side of the hall / utility area. It is all an add on to a house
originally built in 1905. It has some"unique" features. (Once upon a
time, there was an idea to open that back wall, and build in a set of
cabinets / drawers/ whatever accessible from eh Washer/dryer side.)

What I am planning is to remove the drywall in the room, opening
the closet from floor to ceiling. Run a pair of stringers inside the
closet "about so high", and then put something down to close it off.
Plywood, T&G, surplus pallet boards, whatever. Making a shelf that
goes from the front to the back, side to side.
what will go up there will be Christmas decorations, "Uncle
Nick-Nack's winter wardrobe. Uncle Nick-Nack's summer wardrobe. Uncle
Nick-Nack." etc. If I make this strong enough, could use it as a
spare bed space.

The other room (AKA the Lumber Room*) has this set up already, it
is what inspired me.

tschus
pyotr

*"Lumber", from the Lombards, where they stored furniture held in
pawn.
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

As a professional license contractor I cut holes in drywall with a
drywall saw, rotozip tool, roofing hatchet, hammer, a boot, and my fist,
on actual job sites.

You use what you have and you get the job done. Unless you are putting
a box or a low voltage ring in the hole you are going to have to patch
it anyway.

On 6/18/2020 5:00 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
As a professional license contractor I cut holes in drywall with a
drywall saw, rotozip tool, roofing hatchet, hammer, a boot, and my fist,
on actual job sites.

I must have seen your work!!!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/



You use what you have and you get the job done.Â* Unless you are putting
a box or a low voltage ring in the hole you are going to have to patch
it anyway.

On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 09:22:30 -0600, Just Wondering wrote:

On 6/18/2020 2:10 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Just Wondering on Thu, 18 Jun 2020 01:58:24 -0600 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
On 6/17/2020 7:44 PM, Bill wrote:
Just Wondering wrote:
On 6/17/2020 5:45 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:

Greetings

I have a renovation project for the office (third bedroom) in mind,
which involves "First, cut a large hole in the drywall.."** I've a
number of means for doing that, but I would like to kind of minimize
the dust.* My options for cutting are
****Chain Saw.* {Maybe not the best idea, but it is 'an idea'.}
****Corded circular saw
****Battery powered Circ Saw.
****Reciprocating saw.
****Roto-zip or Dremel,
****"Oscillating Multi-tool"
****Hatchet,
****Drywall Saw
****Razor knife.

I suppose I could remove the clothing and "stuff" from the closet
first, but where's the fun in that?

tschus
pyotr

* the idea is to cut a hole in the wall to allow a lot of "extra
space" at the top of the closet to get a 'decking' laid down, making
for more storage space,with better access.* It was done in the older
part of the house, why not bin the add on?

Just use a utility knife. There will be almost no dust.
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=utility+knife&ref=nb_sb_noss


Utility knife is good, rotary tool will be faster. Cut up to studs as
suggested (for reasons for that should be obvious).* Cover floor well
before you start, and then don't worry about it. I think removing the
drywall will be the least of the challenges in your project.* And if you
accidentally cut/break too much, working with drywall isn't that
difficult--just a bit dusty and time consuming, and it requires a few
tools. Have fun.

Pyotr didn't ask about fast. The only concern he expressed
was to minimize dust.

True. But "fast" is also desirable. (Actually, what I'd like is
to say "I'll be back tomorrow" and it's all done, including cleanup.
But, no such luck.
You can cut a pretty big hole with a utility knife in less time
than cleaning up the dust from a "faster" method would take.

+1

But, if you care about the utility knife, make sure it's good and
clean after. Drywall dusts seems to suck water out of the air and
will rust the knife seemingly overnight.

On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 13:30:33 -0600, Just Wondering wrote:

On 6/18/2020 9:44 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Puckdropper on Thu, 18 Jun 2020 06:43:55 GMT
typed in rec.woodworking the following:
pyotr filipivich wrote:
Greetings

I have a renovation project for the office (third bedroom) in
mind, which involves "First, cut a large hole in the drywall.."* I've
a number of means for doing that, but I would like to kind of minimize
the dust. My options for cutting are
Chain Saw. {Maybe not the best idea, but it is 'an idea'.}
Corded circular saw
Battery powered Circ Saw.
Reciprocating saw.
Roto-zip or Dremel,
"Oscillating Multi-tool"
Hatchet,
Drywall Saw
Razor knife.

I suppose I could remove the clothing and "stuff" from the closet
first, but where's the fun in that?

* the idea is to cut a hole in the wall to allow a lot of "extra
space" at the top of the closet to get a 'decking' laid down, making
for more storage space,with better access. It was done in the older
part of the house, why not bin the add on?

Does the roto-zip have a vacuum attachment? My router does and it's very
effective when it comes to wood dust. Since the setups are very similar,
you'll probably see similar results.

It might, but I don't have it. Nor do I have a shop vac. Hasn't
been a problem so far. The table saw gets set up outdoors, and I
haven't had that many power tools till recently.

And thanks to all for the "Use a knife" advice. I had not thought
of that. But that still leaves a lot of other issues. (Like where do
I put the stuff in the closet/room while I work.)

That's beyond our pay grade. It's a question for SWMBO.
Grind the "set" off a hacksaw ( or other high-tooth-count) blade for
a sawzall and put it into a handle made for the purpose (jab saw
handle" Basically grind the blade to a sharp edge but with fine teeth
so it cuts better than a knife and doesn't make as much dust as a saw
allows you to "drag" the blade across studs cutting the drywall right
to the stud.

pyotr filipivich wrote:
Bill on Thu, 18 Jun 2020 13:57:27 -0400 typed
in rec.woodworking the following:
pyotr filipivich wrote:

* the idea is to cut a hole in the wall to allow a lot of "extra
space" at the top of the closet to get a 'decking' laid down, making
for more storage space,with better access. It was done in the older
part of the house, why not in the add on?


By "decking", do you plan to attack "cabinets" to the underside of the
studs?
No.
Was it possible to take a good look at the other side (first)?
I just did an inventory, and whoever designed my closets didn't leave
much room behind them.

The opening is not going to be "inside" the closet, but from the
room into the space "above" the closet. The back wall is the other
side of the hall / utility area. It is all an add on to a house
originally built in 1905.


Is it possible that the wall is plaster (and all that goes with it)
and not "drywall"?

Is it possible that the wall is plaster (and all that goes with it)
and not "drywall"?


If it's plaster - I hereby withdraw my suggestion
of using a utility knife ! :-)
John T.

On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 21:21:36 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 13:30:33 -0600, Just Wondering wrote:

On 6/18/2020 9:44 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Puckdropper on Thu, 18 Jun 2020 06:43:55 GMT
typed in rec.woodworking the following:
pyotr filipivich wrote:
Greetings

I have a renovation project for the office (third bedroom) in
mind, which involves "First, cut a large hole in the drywall.."* I've
a number of means for doing that, but I would like to kind of minimize
the dust. My options for cutting are
Chain Saw. {Maybe not the best idea, but it is 'an idea'.}
Corded circular saw
Battery powered Circ Saw.
Reciprocating saw.
Roto-zip or Dremel,
"Oscillating Multi-tool"
Hatchet,
Drywall Saw
Razor knife.

I suppose I could remove the clothing and "stuff" from the closet
first, but where's the fun in that?

* the idea is to cut a hole in the wall to allow a lot of "extra
space" at the top of the closet to get a 'decking' laid down, making
for more storage space,with better access. It was done in the older
part of the house, why not bin the add on?

Does the roto-zip have a vacuum attachment? My router does and it's very
effective when it comes to wood dust. Since the setups are very similar,
you'll probably see similar results.

It might, but I don't have it. Nor do I have a shop vac. Hasn't
been a problem so far. The table saw gets set up outdoors, and I
haven't had that many power tools till recently.

And thanks to all for the "Use a knife" advice. I had not thought
of that. But that still leaves a lot of other issues. (Like where do
I put the stuff in the closet/room while I work.)

That's beyond our pay grade. It's a question for SWMBO.
Grind the "set" off a hacksaw ( or other high-tooth-count) blade for
a sawzall and put it into a handle made for the purpose (jab saw
handle" Basically grind the blade to a sharp edge but with fine teeth
so it cuts better than a knife and doesn't make as much dust as a saw
allows you to "drag" the blade across studs cutting the drywall right
to the stud.

I like that idea. I have used a sawsall blade but didn't think to
grind it down. The unmodified blade wasn't very satisfactory, at
least cutting outlet boxes.

On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 21:37:53 -0400, wrote:



Is it possible that the wall is plaster (and all that goes with it)
and not "drywall"?


If it's plaster - I hereby withdraw my suggestion
of using a utility knife ! :-)

My walls are truly annoying. Plaster over drywall.

On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 22:53:16 -0400, J. Clarke
wrote:

On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 21:37:53 -0400, wrote:



Is it possible that the wall is plaster (and all that goes with it)
and not "drywall"?


If it's plaster - I hereby withdraw my suggestion
of using a utility knife ! :-)

My walls are truly annoying. Plaster over drywall.


We called that drywall - lath -
back in the mid-60's - 16 x 32 ? inch panels -
sometimes containing asbestos ..
as did the plaster
All combined with the Johns-Mansville
asbestos siding !
It's a wonder we're not all dead ! :-)
John T.

On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 10:53:19 PM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 21:37:53 -0400, wrote:



Is it possible that the wall is plaster (and all that goes with it)
and not "drywall"?


If it's plaster - I hereby withdraw my suggestion
of using a utility knife ! :-)

My walls are truly annoying. Plaster over drywall.

3/8" plaster over 3/8" horizontal, 1x6, T&G, brown paper covered gypsum board?

Those are my walls.

On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 9:43:27 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 21:21:36 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 13:30:33 -0600, Just Wondering wrote:

On 6/18/2020 9:44 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Puckdropper on Thu, 18 Jun 2020 06:43:55 GMT
typed in rec.woodworking the following:
pyotr filipivich wrote:
Greetings

I have a renovation project for the office (third bedroom) in
mind, which involves "First, cut a large hole in the drywall.."* I've
a number of means for doing that, but I would like to kind of minimize
the dust. My options for cutting are
Chain Saw. {Maybe not the best idea, but it is 'an idea'.}
Corded circular saw
Battery powered Circ Saw.
Reciprocating saw.
Roto-zip or Dremel,
"Oscillating Multi-tool"
Hatchet,
Drywall Saw
Razor knife.

I suppose I could remove the clothing and "stuff" from the closet
first, but where's the fun in that?

* the idea is to cut a hole in the wall to allow a lot of "extra
space" at the top of the closet to get a 'decking' laid down, making
for more storage space,with better access. It was done in the older
part of the house, why not bin the add on?

Does the roto-zip have a vacuum attachment? My router does and it's very
effective when it comes to wood dust. Since the setups are very similar,
you'll probably see similar results.

It might, but I don't have it. Nor do I have a shop vac. Hasn't
been a problem so far. The table saw gets set up outdoors, and I
haven't had that many power tools till recently.

And thanks to all for the "Use a knife" advice. I had not thought
of that. But that still leaves a lot of other issues. (Like where do
I put the stuff in the closet/room while I work.)

That's beyond our pay grade. It's a question for SWMBO.
Grind the "set" off a hacksaw ( or other high-tooth-count) blade for
a sawzall and put it into a handle made for the purpose (jab saw
handle" Basically grind the blade to a sharp edge but with fine teeth
so it cuts better than a knife and doesn't make as much dust as a saw
allows you to "drag" the blade across studs cutting the drywall right
to the stud.

I like that idea. I have used a sawsall blade but didn't think to
grind it down. The unmodified blade wasn't very satisfactory, at
least cutting outlet boxes.

If you're going to grind down a sawsall blade and then cut the hole by hand,
why not grind down a half-moon oscillating tool blade?

I've used a oscillating tool to cut drywall holes many times, but with toothed
blades. They really don't hurt the studs very much. ;-)

Bill on Thu, 18 Jun 2020 21:27:38 -0400 typed
in rec.woodworking the following:
pyotr filipivich wrote:
Bill on Thu, 18 Jun 2020 13:57:27 -0400 typed
in rec.woodworking the following:
pyotr filipivich wrote:

* the idea is to cut a hole in the wall to allow a lot of "extra
space" at the top of the closet to get a 'decking' laid down, making
for more storage space,with better access. It was done in the older
part of the house, why not in the add on?


By "decking", do you plan to attack "cabinets" to the underside of the
studs?
No.
Was it possible to take a good look at the other side (first)?
I just did an inventory, and whoever designed my closets didn't leave
much room behind them.

The opening is not going to be "inside" the closet, but from the
room into the space "above" the closet. The back wall is the other
side of the hall / utility area. It is all an add on to a house
originally built in 1905.


Is it possible that the wall is plaster (and all that goes with it)
and not "drywall"?

Its a possibility. In the rest of the house, defiantly, but his
is a late enough add on, I thing its drywall. If it is plaster, all
bets are off.
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

wrote in news:1k5oef909nt81f3dhcrt93cvthpmd1fp7h@
4ax.com:



Is it possible that the wall is plaster (and all that goes with it)
and not "drywall"?


If it's plaster - I hereby withdraw my suggestion
of using a utility knife ! :-)
John T.


I'll put the utility knife back on the table:

Use it to open the box of a new tool that will be more effective on the
plaster!

Puckdropper

On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 21:34:52 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 10:53:19 PM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 21:37:53 -0400, wrote:



Is it possible that the wall is plaster (and all that goes with it)
and not "drywall"?


If it's plaster - I hereby withdraw my suggestion
of using a utility knife ! :-)

My walls are truly annoying. Plaster over drywall.

3/8" plaster over 3/8" horizontal, 1x6, T&G, brown paper covered gypsum board?

Those are my walls.
Used to call it rock lath - full sheets were gyp rock

DerbyDad03 on Thu, 18 Jun 2020 21:43:48 -0700
(PDT) typed in rec.woodworking the following:
On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 9:43:27 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 21:21:36 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 13:30:33 -0600, Just Wondering wrote:

On 6/18/2020 9:44 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Puckdropper on Thu, 18 Jun 2020 06:43:55 GMT
typed in rec.woodworking the following:
pyotr filipivich wrote:
Greetings

I have a renovation project for the office (third bedroom) in
mind, which involves "First, cut a large hole in the drywall.."* I've
a number of means for doing that, but I would like to kind of minimize
the dust. My options for cutting are
Chain Saw. {Maybe not the best idea, but it is 'an idea'.}
Corded circular saw
Battery powered Circ Saw.
Reciprocating saw.
Roto-zip or Dremel,
"Oscillating Multi-tool"
Hatchet,
Drywall Saw
Razor knife.

I suppose I could remove the clothing and "stuff" from the closet
first, but where's the fun in that?

* the idea is to cut a hole in the wall to allow a lot of "extra
space" at the top of the closet to get a 'decking' laid down, making
for more storage space,with better access. It was done in the older
part of the house, why not bin the add on?

Does the roto-zip have a vacuum attachment? My router does and it's very
effective when it comes to wood dust. Since the setups are very similar,
you'll probably see similar results.

It might, but I don't have it. Nor do I have a shop vac. Hasn't
been a problem so far. The table saw gets set up outdoors, and I
haven't had that many power tools till recently.

And thanks to all for the "Use a knife" advice. I had not thought
of that. But that still leaves a lot of other issues. (Like where do
I put the stuff in the closet/room while I work.)

That's beyond our pay grade. It's a question for SWMBO.
Grind the "set" off a hacksaw ( or other high-tooth-count) blade for
a sawzall and put it into a handle made for the purpose (jab saw
handle" Basically grind the blade to a sharp edge but with fine teeth
so it cuts better than a knife and doesn't make as much dust as a saw
allows you to "drag" the blade across studs cutting the drywall right
to the stud.

I like that idea. I have used a sawsall blade but didn't think to
grind it down. The unmodified blade wasn't very satisfactory, at
least cutting outlet boxes.

If you're going to grind down a sawsall blade and then cut the hole by hand,
why not grind down a half-moon oscillating tool blade?

I have a couple lengths of industrial band saw blades, with the
intent to make them into knives or scrapers or something ...
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?