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Why would someone buy this *new* jointer at 365 pounds, when they
could have the G0490 for the same price, at 200 pounds more.
Because they had a weak back? Makes me wonder whether the days
of the G0490 are numbered..

http://www.grizzly.com/products/Griz...ile-Base/G0857

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On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 at 10:18:18 PM UTC-6, Bill wrote:
Why would someone buy this *new* jointer at 365 pounds, when they
could have the G0490 for the same price, at 200 pounds more.
Because they had a weak back? Makes me wonder whether the days
of the G0490 are numbered..

http://www.grizzly.com/products/Griz...ile-Base/G0857


I've never seen Grizzly's tools in person. Assuming from the pics (colors/paint)....

The beds' support may be aluminum, reducing the weight, compared to the G0490, which may have a cast iron beds' support. May need to be field tested, long term, to see if the lighter (if so) bed support will hold up (potential stress fractures?) as well as the cast iron.

If the mobile base is highly sufficient, then opting for the heavier tool should be, may be a better choice, I would tend to think.

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On 1/9/2019 11:18 PM, Bill wrote:
Why would someone buy this *new* jointer at 365 pounds, when they could
have the G0490 for the same price, at 200 pounds more. Because they had
a weak back? Makes me wonder whether the days of the G0490 are numbered..

http://www.grizzly.com/products/Griz...ile-Base/G0857

You'd need to be a moron to buy either when you can get one with a
spiral cutter head for a few dollars more. After owning both types, I
would never buy, on purpose, a planer or jointer w/o a segmented spiral
cutter head. The difference is night and day, but the cost, in this
case, is just $30 more.

By "on purpose" I mean I might hesitantly buy a 3 bladed model if I
needed one, and some one was selling one in perfect condition for 20
cents on a dollar, or less, and, I was short on money...

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Jack wrote:
On 1/9/2019 11:18 PM, Bill wrote:
Why would someone buy this *new* jointer at 365 pounds, when
they could
have the G0490 for the same price, at 200 pounds more. Because
they had
a weak back?¬* Makes me wonder whether the days of the G0490 are
numbered..

http://www.grizzly.com/products/Griz...ile-Base/G0857


You'd need to be a moron to buy either when you can get one with
a spiral cutter head for a few dollars more.¬* After owning both
types, I would never buy, on purpose, a planer or jointer w/o a
segmented spiral cutter head. The difference is night and day,
but the cost, in this case, is just $30 more.


Point well-taken, but of course you meant to type "$300" more.

Since we are on this topic, IIRC, the "regular" carbide cutters
are not particularly cheap. But I know that in the metalworking
world, there are cutters available (on E-bay) at much less cost.
Are such "less costly" cutters available for jointers too, and
can anyone report on their performance?




By "on purpose" I mean I might hesitantly buy a 3 bladed model if
I needed one, and some one was selling one in perfect condition
for 20 cents on a dollar, or less, and, I was short on money...


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On 1/9/2019 10:18 PM, Bill wrote:
Why would someone buy this *new* jointer at 365 pounds, when they could
have the G0490 for the same price, at 200 pounds more. Because they had
a weak back?¬* Makes me wonder whether the days of the G0490 are numbered..

http://www.grizzly.com/products/Griz...ile-Base/G0857


Shipping costs.


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On 1/9/2019 10:18 PM, Bill wrote:
Why would someone buy this *new* jointer at 365 pounds, when they could
have the G0490 for the same price, at 200 pounds more. Because they had
a weak back?¬* Makes me wonder whether the days of the G0490 are numbered..

http://www.grizzly.com/products/Griz...ile-Base/G0857


http://www.grizzly.com/products/Grizzly-8-x-76-Parallelogram-Jointer-with-Mobile-Base/G0857

only shows 24 lb difference and you don't know where that is...the
descriptions say the G0857 base cabinet is "sheet metal" while the other
is "pre-formed steel"...the only Al mentioned in either is the knife
guard is Al on the G0857 but that can't be but a pound or less at most...

Taiwan vs China is the biggest difference...


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Bill writes:
Why would someone buy this *new* jointer at 365 pounds, when they
could have the G0490 for the same price,


15% faster cutterhead?
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dpb wrote:

On 1/9/2019 10:18 PM, Bill wrote:
Why would someone buy this *new* jointer at 365 pounds, when they could
have the G0490 for the same price, at 200 pounds more. Because they had
a weak back?¬* Makes me wonder whether the days of the G0490 are numbered..

http://www.grizzly.com/products/Griz...ile-Base/G0857


http://www.grizzly.com/products/Grizzly-8-x-76-Parallelogram-Jointer-with-Mobile-Base/G0857

only shows 24 lb difference and you don't know where that is...


Wot?
G0490: "Approximate shipping weight: 562 lbs."
G0857: "Approximate shipping weight: 365 lbs."
-------
= 197 lbs

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On 1/10/2019 4:32 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
dpb wrote:

On 1/9/2019 10:18 PM, Bill wrote:
Why would someone buy this *new* jointer at 365 pounds, when they could
have the G0490 for the same price, at 200 pounds more. Because they had
a weak back?¬* Makes me wonder whether the days of the G0490 are numbered..

http://www.grizzly.com/products/Griz...ile-Base/G0857


http://www.grizzly.com/products/Grizzly-8-x-76-Parallelogram-Jointer-with-Mobile-Base/G0857

only shows 24 lb difference and you don't know where that is...


Wot?
G0490: "Approximate shipping weight: 562 lbs."
G0857: "Approximate shipping weight: 365 lbs."
-------
= 197 lbs


Shipping weight is _NOT_ machine weight...look at the comparison charts
-- I thought the previous link would reload the chart but I hadn't
checked and see it didn't...here's the data under "Product Dimensions"
tab for the two...

G0857 G0490
Weight (lbs.) 484 508

Overall Width (side-to-side) 76 76-3/8 in.

Overall Depth (front-to-back) 25 24
in.

Overall Height 41-1/2 45-1/2 in.

Footprint Width 16 16-1/2 in.

Footprint Length 40 44-1/2
in.


You can use
http://www.grizzly.com/compare?category=Jointers&preload=G0857|G0490
to preload the main comparison page for the two machines...

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On 1/10/2019 9:33 PM, dpb wrote:
On 1/10/2019 4:32 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
dpb wrote:

On 1/9/2019 10:18 PM, Bill wrote:
Why would someone buy this *new* jointer at 365 pounds, when they could
have the G0490 for the same price, at 200 pounds more. Because they had
a weak back?¬* Makes me wonder whether the days of the G0490 are
numbered..

http://www.grizzly.com/products/Griz...ile-Base/G0857


http://www.grizzly.com/products/Grizzly-8-x-76-Parallelogram-Jointer-with-Mobile-Base/G0857


only shows 24 lb difference and you don't know where that is...


Wot?
G0490: "Approximate shipping weight: 562 lbs."
G0857: "Approximate shipping weight: 365 lbs."
¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬* ¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬* -------
¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬* ¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬* = 197 lbs


Shipping weight is _NOT_ machine weight...look at the comparison charts
-- I thought the previous link would reload the chart but I hadn't
checked and see it didn't...here's the data under "Product Dimensions"
tab for the two...

¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬* ¬*¬*¬* G0857¬*¬*¬* G0490
Weight (lbs.)¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬* 484¬*¬*¬*¬*¬* 508

Overall Width (side-to-side)¬*¬* 76¬*¬*¬*¬*¬* 76-3/8 in.

Overall Depth (front-to-back)¬* 25¬*¬*¬*¬*¬* 24
in.

Overall Height¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬* 41-1/2¬*¬* 45-1/2 in.

Footprint Width¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬* 16¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬* 16-1/2 in.

Footprint Length¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬* 40¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬*¬* 44-1/2
in.


You can use
http://www.grizzly.com/compare?category=Jointers&preload=G0857|G0490
to preload the main comparison page for the two machines...

--


Didn't get the rest first try...to see where the weight difference comes
from, look at "Shipping Dimensions" tab -- the G0857 is shipped in one
crate at 477 lbs while the G0490 is in two -- 402 + 162 lbs = 568 total
shipping weight.

But, the data can't be totally correct, either...the G0857 is supposed
to weigh 484 but the shipping weight is 7 lb less.

The numbers for the G0490 do at least come reasonable close--within 2
lbs of the "approximate" figure above but the 365 appears to just be
totally bogus.

I'd not draw any firm conclusions from any of it...about what you'd
expect from a low-cost import distributor--"cheap/inexpensive, but
precision and high attention to detail ain't what you're really expecting".

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