What do you guys think of this one (does it look like 3-phase?) I sent
a message to the owner.

http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/tls/4578621510.html

Bill

On 07/28/2014 9:07 PM, Bill wrote:
What do you guys think of this one (does it look like 3-phase?) ...

Don't think so--I expanded the image w/ the cord up as far as browser
would go and it looks like standard 3-prong plug to me...plus it's just
got a mechanical on-off switch; no starter which would be expected fur
shure w/ 3P. Still never hurts to make sure what motor actually is in it...

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"Bill" wrote in message ...

What do you guys think of this one (does it look like 3-phase?) I sent
a message to the owner.

http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/tls/4578621510.html

That set-up redefines "portable jointer..."

Based on the ad the seller is not very knowledge, but did try to
research. The seller may not know one versus three.

On 7/28/2014 10:07 PM, Bill wrote:
What do you guys think of this one (does it look like 3-phase?) I sent
a message to the owner.

http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/tls/4578621510.html

Bill

On 7/28/2014 9:07 PM, Bill wrote:
What do you guys think of this one (does it look like 3-phase?) I sent
a message to the owner.

http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/tls/4578621510.html

Bill


Probably not a 3 phase, it is a small jointer. My assumption is that
one used in a 3 phase industrial environment would be sized to handle
larger stock.

mungedaddress wrote in :

Based on the ad the seller is not very knowledge, but did try to
research. The seller may not know one versus three.

Agreed. However, the seller should be able to copy the information from the motor's
electrical rating plate and email that to Bill; whether it's single-phase or 3-phase should be
apparent.

Bill, let me know if you want to borrow my truck -- but I think you might want to rent one that
has a lift gate.

On 7/28/2014 10:07 PM, Bill wrote:
What do you guys think of this one (does it look like 3-phase?) I sent
a message to the owner.

http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/tls/4578621510.html

Bill

On 7/28/2014 9:07 PM, Bill wrote:
What do you guys think of this one (does it look like 3-phase?) I sent
a message to the owner.

http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/tls/4578621510.html

Looks exactly like the one we had in our high school shop, which IIRC,
was not 3 phase. Why do I remember: my occasionally less than stellar
behavior got me extra duty on machine maintenance chores.

My personal opinion is that it's about $200 too high, but value is in
the eye of the user.

In either case it would be a great restoration project for one
interested in doing so, therefore its value is proportionate to its
usefulness to the woodworker who uses it, and that may be priceless.

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"Leon" wrote in message
...

On 7/28/2014 9:07 PM, Bill wrote:
What do you guys think of this one (does it look like 3-phase?) I sent
a message to the owner.

http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/tls/4578621510.html

Probably not a 3 phase, it is a small jointer. My assumption is that one
used in a 3 phase industrial environment would be sized to handle larger
stock.

I wouldn't rely on this rule of thumb... the middle school near me, built in
the late 1960s, has 3 phase and runs even 6" jointers on it. I also noticed
a local Craigs List posting for a new 1/3 HP 3 phase motor... I got the
impression it was for a blower.

On 7/28/2014 10:07 PM, Bill wrote:
What do you guys think of this one (does it look like 3-phase?) I sent
a message to the owner.

http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/tls/4578621510.html

Billa
I think that is over priced for an 8" jointer.
You could by a new 8" parallelogram from griz for close to that.


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woodchucker wrote:
On 7/28/2014 10:07 PM, Bill wrote:
What do you guys think of this one (does it look like 3-phase?) I sent
a message to the owner.

http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/tls/4578621510.html

Billa
I think that is over priced for an 8" jointer.
You could by a new 8" parallelogram from griz for close to that.



Yes, I didn't say that I was going to offer the seller the $685 asking
price.
The fact that it doesn't look easy to move is a negative as well.

BTW, Wreckers, I had a few issues that got in the way of my woodworking
this summer (I haven't meant to be "distant",
and I had intended to make more sawdust!)

Bill

Looks like single phase and appears to be in, generally, good shape, to me.

If the person knows anything about tools, they should have posted what phase and more info about it. It appears to be in back of an SUV, makes me wonder about its acquisition, prior to its Craigslist posting. *I can't imagine loading something as that in an SUV.... must have been some unusual circumstances, for that. It's not tied down, so I wonder what happens when they turn a sharp corner, if they haven't removed it from the vehicle, yet.

The ad was posted 9 days ago, so maybe the reason he/she hasn't replied to you is that it's already sold. Jointers seem to sell pretty fast, even for that vintage and at that price. Maybe, you should not wait on a reply, but go there, if convenient, as per the map, and try to find the location, and negotiate. If it's available, offer $400-$450 and go from there. If it's still available, he/she may desperately want it removed from their SUV.

Sonny

On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 09:23:02 -0700, Sonny wrote:

If the person knows anything about tools, they should have posted what
phase and more info about it. It appears to be in back of an SUV, makes
me wonder about its acquisition, prior to its Craigslist posting.

Maybe it fell into the SUV "off the back of a truck."

On 07/29/2014 11:14 AM, Bill wrote:
....

The fact that it doesn't look easy to move is a negative as well.

....

That's also it's major advantage over any other of similar vintage/style
-- mass is good.

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On 7/29/2014 9:24 AM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
"Leon" wrote in message
...

On 7/28/2014 9:07 PM, Bill wrote:
What do you guys think of this one (does it look like 3-phase?) I sent
a message to the owner.

http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/tls/4578621510.html

Probably not a 3 phase, it is a small jointer. My assumption is that
one used in a 3 phase industrial environment would be sized to handle
larger stock.

I wouldn't rely on this rule of thumb... the middle school near me,
built in the late 1960s, has 3 phase and runs even 6" jointers on it. I
also noticed a local Craigs List posting for a new 1/3 HP 3 phase
motor... I got the impression it was for a blower.





The government building would naturally be built with commercial specs.
But you do have a point there. And it was just an assumption.

On 7/29/2014 11:37 AM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 09:23:02 -0700, Sonny wrote:

If the person knows anything about tools, they should have posted what
phase and more info about it. It appears to be in back of an SUV, makes
me wonder about its acquisition, prior to its Craigslist posting.

Maybe it fell into the SUV "off the back of a truck."



Or the SUV was built around the old jointer. ;~)

Bill writes:
woodchucker wrote:
On 7/28/2014 10:07 PM, Bill wrote:
What do you guys think of this one (does it look like 3-phase?) I sent
a message to the owner.

http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/tls/4578621510.html

Billa
I think that is over priced for an 8" jointer.
You could by a new 8" parallelogram from griz for close to that.



Yes, I didn't say that I was going to offer the seller the $685 asking
price.
The fact that it doesn't look easy to move is a negative as well.

I don't know about that - the picture shows it in the back of a
minivan.

Scott Lurndal wrote:
Bill writes:
woodchucker wrote:
On 7/28/2014 10:07 PM, Bill wrote:
What do you guys think of this one (does it look like 3-phase?) I sent
a message to the owner.

http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/tls/4578621510.html

Billa
I think that is over priced for an 8" jointer.
You could by a new 8" parallelogram from griz for close to that.


Yes, I didn't say that I was going to offer the seller the $685 asking
price.
The fact that it doesn't look easy to move is a negative as well.
I don't know about that - the picture shows it in the back of a
minivan.

When I looked at the picture, I couldn't figure out where it was! %-)
Maybe I didn't expect it to be standing up in a minivan?

Sonny wrote:
Looks like single phase and appears to be in, generally, good shape, to me.

If the person knows anything about tools, they should have posted what phase and more info about it. It appears to be in back of an SUV, makes me wonder about its acquisition, prior to its Craigslist posting. *I can't imagine loading something as that in an SUV.... must have been some unusual circumstances, for that. It's not tied down, so I wonder what happens when they turn a sharp corner, if they haven't removed it from the vehicle, yet.

The ad was posted 9 days ago, so maybe the reason he/she hasn't replied to you is that it's already sold. Jointers seem to sell pretty fast, even for that vintage and at that price. Maybe, you should not wait on a reply, but go there, if convenient, as per the map, and try to find the location, and negotiate. If it's available, offer $400-$450 and go from there. If it's still available, he/she may desperately want it removed from their SUV.

Sonny


It is strange that they photographed in an SUV. I didn't pick up on
that until it was pointed out. One might have expected it to be sitting
in a shop environment... : ) Still nothing from the seller--probably sold.

Bill

Bill wrote in :

Scott Lurndal wrote:
I don't know about that - the picture shows it in the back of a
minivan.

When I looked at the picture, I couldn't figure out where it was! %-)

My first thought when I saw the picture was "why does this guy have a jointer in his boat?"

"John Grossbohlin" wrote

I wouldn't rely on this rule of thumb... the middle school near me, built
in the late 1960s, has 3 phase and runs even 6" jointers on it. I also
noticed a local Craigs List posting for a new 1/3 HP 3 phase motor... I
got the impression it was for a blower.
Yeah, but...

I had a machine with that exact same switch. Single phase all the way.
Have you EVER seen a 3 phase without a magnetic starter? Not me. Also,
that is a Lowes special cord cap. Not a twist lock, like a 3 phase. That
one only has three prongs. Single phase, all the way, for the third time.
Case closed.
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...

Bill wrote in
:

Scott Lurndal wrote:
I don't know about that - the picture shows it in the back of a
minivan.

When I looked at the picture, I couldn't figure out where it was! %-)

My first thought when I saw the picture was "why does this guy have a
jointer in his boat?"

The mini van is why I made my snarky remark... "That set-up redefines
"portable jointer..." ;~)

Doug Miller wrote:
Bill wrote in :

Scott Lurndal wrote:
I don't know about that - the picture shows it in the back of a
minivan.

When I looked at the picture, I couldn't figure out where it was! %-)

My first thought when I saw the picture was "why does this guy have a jointer in his boat?"

Does the boat/wife come with the jointer? Please send pictures of boat/
wife. :-)

On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 7:17:11 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
Doug Miller Bill Scott Lurndal wrote: I don't know about that - the picture shows it in the back of a minivan. When I looked at the picture, I couldn't figure out where it was! %-) My first thought when I saw the picture was "why does this guy have a jointer in his boat?"

Does the boat/wife come with the jointer? Please send pictures of boat/ wife. :-)

And post specs, as to what phase the wife is in. Draft, of the boat, is optional.

Sonny

On Monday, July 28, 2014 9:07:14 PM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
What do you guys think of this one (does it look like 3-phase?) I sent a message to the owner. http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/tls/4578621510.html Bill

Bill, the ad was originally posted 10 days ago and updated 2 days ago, so it still may not be sold, yet. They posted "preferred contact by email, only", which is the only method for contact, anyway. Keep emailing them.

Sonny

Sonny wrote:
On Monday, July 28, 2014 9:07:14 PM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
What do you guys think of this one (does it look like 3-phase?) I sent a message to the owner. http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/tls/4578621510.html Bill
Bill, the ad was originally posted 10 days ago and updated 2 days ago, so it still may not be sold, yet. They posted "preferred contact by email, only", which is the only method for contact, anyway. Keep emailing them.

Sonny

Okay, I'll give it another try. I will leave out "difficult questions"
this time...

Thanks,
Bill

Swingman wrote:
On 7/28/2014 9:07 PM, Bill wrote:
What do you guys think of this one (does it look like 3-phase?) I sent
a message to the owner.

http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/tls/4578621510.html

Looks exactly like the one we had in our high school shop, which IIRC,
was not 3 phase. Why do I remember: my occasionally less than stellar
behavior got me extra duty on machine maintenance chores.

My personal opinion is that it's about $200 too high, but value is in
the eye of the user.

In either case it would be a great restoration project for one
interested in doing so, therefore its value is proportionate to its
usefulness to the woodworker who uses it, and that may be priceless.


Would you expect it's motor to have been replaced once or twice by now
(assuming 1950s origin)?

Bill

Swingman wrote:
On 7/28/2014 9:07 PM, Bill wrote:
What do you guys think of this one (does it look like 3-phase?) I sent
a message to the owner.

http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/tls/4578621510.html

Looks exactly like the one we had in our high school shop, which IIRC,
was not 3 phase. Why do I remember: my occasionally less than stellar
behavior got me extra duty on machine maintenance chores.

My personal opinion is that it's about $200 too high, but value is in
the eye of the user.

In either case it would be a great restoration project for one
interested in doing so, therefore its value is proportionate to its
usefulness to the woodworker who uses it, and that may be priceless.


I feel like just surrounding myself with cast iron makes me more
attractive! ; )

On 07/30/2014 11:30 AM, Bill wrote:
....

Would you expect it's motor to have been replaced once or twice by now
(assuming 1950s origin)?

No. I've an even earlier vintage hybrid Walker-Turner/Delta shaper w/
the original motor still...

--

Sonny wrote:
On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 7:17:11 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
Doug Miller Bill Scott Lurndal wrote: I don't know
about that - the picture shows it in the back of a minivan.
When I looked at the picture, I couldn't figure out where it was!
%-) My first thought when I saw the picture was "why does this
guy have a jointer in his boat?"

Does the boat/wife come with the jointer? Please send pictures of
boat/ wife. :-)

And post specs, as to what phase the wife is in. Draft, of the boat,
is optional.


Note to the unwary... both boats and wives are usually sold off when they
have long passed their useful life. Suggest you consider looking at
snowmobiles or vintage cars.

--

-Mike-

Bill wrote:
Swingman wrote:
On 7/28/2014 9:07 PM, Bill wrote:
What do you guys think of this one (does it look like 3-phase?) I
sent a message to the owner.

http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/tls/4578621510.html

Looks exactly like the one we had in our high school shop, which
IIRC, was not 3 phase. Why do I remember: my occasionally less than
stellar behavior got me extra duty on machine maintenance chores.

My personal opinion is that it's about $200 too high, but value is in
the eye of the user.

In either case it would be a great restoration project for one
interested in doing so, therefore its value is proportionate to its
usefulness to the woodworker who uses it, and that may be priceless.


Would you expect it's motor to have been replaced once or twice by now
(assuming 1950s origin)?


No reason to assume it has ever been replaced at all.

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On 7/30/2014 11:30 AM, Bill wrote:

Would you expect it's motor to have been replaced once or twice by now
(assuming 1950s origin)?

Not necessarily.

If I had to guess, it's likely a 2HP/220v, and an even, or better,
chance of being original.

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On 07/30/2014 1:19 PM, Swingman wrote:
On 7/30/2014 11:30 AM, Bill wrote:

Would you expect it's motor to have been replaced once or twice by now
(assuming 1950s origin)?

Not necessarily.

If I had to guess, it's likely a 2HP/220v, and an even, or better,
chance of being original.

The plug from what I could tell looks like 110V three prong to me altho
it isn't conclusive as the picture angle is from the plug prong end but
sorta' a side view; possibly it is dual-voltage so could convert to 240V.

Ewww...just went to recheck my conclusion and "posting has been deleted
by author"...looks like deadhorse country here now...

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On 7/30/2014 3:18 PM, dpb wrote:
On 07/30/2014 1:19 PM, Swingman wrote:
On 7/30/2014 11:30 AM, Bill wrote:

Would you expect it's motor to have been replaced once or twice by now
(assuming 1950s origin)?

Not necessarily.

If I had to guess, it's likely a 2HP/220v, and an even, or better,
chance of being original.

The plug from what I could tell looks like 110V three prong to me altho
it isn't conclusive as the picture angle is from the plug prong end but
sorta' a side view; possibly it is dual-voltage so could convert to 240V.

Ewww...just went to recheck my conclusion and "posting has been deleted
by author"...looks like deadhorse country here now...

Never stopped us before.

You guys getting enough rain?

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dpb wrote:
On 07/30/2014 1:19 PM, Swingman wrote:
On 7/30/2014 11:30 AM, Bill wrote:

Would you expect it's motor to have been replaced once or twice by now
(assuming 1950s origin)?

Not necessarily.

If I had to guess, it's likely a 2HP/220v, and an even, or better,
chance of being original.

The plug from what I could tell looks like 110V three prong to me
altho it isn't conclusive as the picture angle is from the plug prong
end but sorta' a side view; possibly it is dual-voltage so could
convert to 240V.

Ewww...just went to recheck my conclusion and "posting has been
deleted by author"...looks like deadhorse country here now...

Two email messages from me, and no replies. Thank you for the update.


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On 07/30/2014 3:22 PM, Swingman wrote:
On 7/30/2014 3:18 PM, dpb wrote:
....

Ewww...just went to recheck my conclusion and "posting has been deleted
by author"...looks like deadhorse country here now...

Never stopped us before.

Chuckle...indeed!

You guys getting enough rain?

"Enough"? No chance. Despite their three-day alarms of flood warnings
and promises of 2" or more, we got only about a half-inch in a tiny
little shower of 0.1" in the morning yesterday then the rest from "the
big show" this AM between 4:30 and about 7. Like every other similar
event the last several years, it rained nicely for a little while but
nothing more than drizzle for over about 20-30 minutes. Just can't get
the main areas to come our way.

If you see this in time (it'll reset at midnight to the new day) look at
the radar precipitation total estimated map. We're right in that gray
"donut hole" w/ green, yellow, orange around. Been that way all year --
2" and as much as 4 or 5" within 10-15 miles but not on us.

Just looked, my weather station has accumulated 5.28" YTD; add about
another inch maybe for some snow in March. We should have had 13-14" by
now or perhaps even more on our way to our average of roughly 18".

http://classic.wunderground.com/radar/radblast.asp?zoommode=pan&prevzoom=zoom&num=1&fram e=0&delay=15&scale=1.000&noclutter=0&ID=DDC&type=N TP&showstorms=0&lat=37.04393005&lon=-100.92813873&label=Liberal,%20KS&map.x=400&map.y=2 40&scale=1.000&centerx=400&centery=240&showlabels= 1&rainsnow=1&lightning=0&lerror=20&num_stns_min=2& num_stns_max=9999&avg_off=9999&smooth=0

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On 7/30/2014 3:22 PM, Swingman wrote:
On 7/30/2014 3:18 PM, dpb wrote:
On 07/30/2014 1:19 PM, Swingman wrote:
On 7/30/2014 11:30 AM, Bill wrote:

Would you expect it's motor to have been replaced once or twice by now
(assuming 1950s origin)?

Not necessarily.

If I had to guess, it's likely a 2HP/220v, and an even, or better,
chance of being original.

The plug from what I could tell looks like 110V three prong to me altho
it isn't conclusive as the picture angle is from the plug prong end but
sorta' a side view; possibly it is dual-voltage so could convert to 240V.

Ewww...just went to recheck my conclusion and "posting has been deleted
by author"...looks like deadhorse country here now...

Never stopped us before.

You guys getting enough rain?



Speaking of rain, looks like L.A. solved it's water shortage, let the
infrastructure crumble and you get plenty of water. ;~)

Interesting, in earth quake country, that the multi multi million
renovation of the GYM at UCLA did not consider the age and condition of
near by water mains. IIRC the cost was about what was spent to build
our base ball park. Ironic.

On 07/30/2014 10:31 PM, Leon wrote:
....

Speaking of rain, looks like L.A. solved it's water shortage, ...

Saw the footage. Didn't say, but that was a sizable main...

--

On 07/30/2014 6:23 PM, dpb wrote:
....

If you see this in time (it'll reset at midnight to the new day) look at
the radar precipitation total estimated map. We're right in that gray
"donut hole" w/ green, yellow, orange around. Been that way all year --
2" and as much as 4 or 5" within 10-15 miles but not on us.

Just looked, my weather station has accumulated 5.28" YTD; add about
another inch maybe for some snow in March. We should have had 13-14" by
now or perhaps even more on our way to our average of roughly 18".
....

The radar map has reset by now of course and I don't know of any way to
retrieve an archive view...

The one added note is that there is at least one difference this year
from the previous two severe drought years is that at least this year
there is rain around the area whereas two years ago there wasn't much
all the way to almost the Mississippi east. Last year it finally began
some Wichita and east. This year it's at least been in the area so
maybe we're finally beginning to see a change in the cycle. Last year
was driest we've had here at the farm in the 100-yr including the
Dirty-30s of 7". Year before was about 2nd or 3rd, exceeded only by one
of the 30s and one in the 50s. At this pace we're on track locally for
nearly matching those even though all around there's been quite a lot
since second week in June altho whole area was in "Exceptional" Cat IV
on the drought monitor ratings. The problem with them is that they
start over on Jan 1 so don't really reflect the long-term situation well.

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On 7/31/2014 8:10 AM, dpb wrote:
On 07/30/2014 10:31 PM, Leon wrote:
...

Speaking of rain, looks like L.A. solved it's water shortage, ...

Saw the footage. Didn't say, but that was a sizable main...

--



Very large and very old, it leaked 5% of the daily water usage for L.A.

On 7/30/2014 6:23 PM, dpb wrote:
On 07/30/2014 3:22 PM, Swingman wrote:


You guys getting enough rain?

"Enough"? No chance. Despite their three-day alarms of flood warnings
and promises of 2" or more, we got only about a half-inch in a tiny
little shower of 0.1" in the morning yesterday then the rest from "the
big show" this AM between 4:30 and about 7. Like every other similar
event the last several years, it rained nicely for a little while but
nothing more than drizzle for over about 20-30 minutes. Just can't get
the main areas to come our way.

If you see this in time (it'll reset at midnight to the new day) look at
the radar precipitation total estimated map. We're right in that gray
"donut hole" w/ green, yellow, orange around. Been that way all year --
2" and as much as 4 or 5" within 10-15 miles but not on us.

Just looked, my weather station has accumulated 5.28" YTD; add about
another inch maybe for some snow in March. We should have had 13-14" by
now or perhaps even more on our way to our average of roughly 18".

Ouch! Sorry to hear that.

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