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Several months ago I mentioned that my wife I were going to sell our home to
our son, he recently graduated with his masters degree and has gone to work for KPMG. Last week the sale was final and now we are homeless, so to speak. Two weeks ago yesterday the forms for the foundation of our new home were erected. Yesterday the roof decking, windows, siding where there sill be no brick or rock, gas plumbing, and sheathing had been installed. Tentatively we meet with the building supervisor to do a pre dry wall inspection. I get my 3 car shop, my wife gets her large sewing studio. Yeah! http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/ |
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On Nov 3, 12:41*pm, "Leon" wrote:
Several months ago I mentioned that my wife I were going to sell our home to our son, he recently graduated with his masters degree and has gone to work for KPMG. Last week the sale was final and now we are homeless, so to speak. Two weeks ago yesterday the forms for the foundation of our new home were erected. *Yesterday the roof decking, windows, siding where there sill be no brick or rock, gas plumbing, and sheathing had been installed. *Tentatively we meet with the building supervisor to do a pre dry wall inspection. I get my 3 car shop, my wife gets her large sewing studio. *Yeah! http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...tostream/#/pho... http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...tostream/#/pho... http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...tostream/#/pho... Most excellent, Leon. Place is looking sharp. I'll be very interested in seeing how you lay out your three shop car...excuse me...three car shop. R |
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Very nice. Up 'til now, we were actually not convinced you knew how
to use a hammer. Anyone would look forward to retiring into a nice shop, er...., home as that. Gonna move in before New Years? ^5 I viewed a few more pics. I noticed those 3 inspectors (ladies)! ..... Keeping you on your toes, I suspect. Sonny |
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"RicodJour" wrote in message ... I get my 3 car shop, my wife gets her large sewing studio. Yeah! http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...tostream/#/pho... http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...tostream/#/pho... http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...tostream/#/pho... Most excellent, Leon. Place is looking sharp. I'll be very interested in seeing how you lay out your three shop car...excuse me...three car shop. I did a Sketchup model of the house and shop layout. Take a look at the attached PDF, titled New Shop Layout at alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking |
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"Leon" wrote in message ... "RicodJour" wrote in message ... I get my 3 car shop, my wife gets her large sewing studio. Yeah! http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...tostream/#/pho... http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...tostream/#/pho... http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...tostream/#/pho... Most excellent, Leon. Place is looking sharp. I'll be very interested in seeing how you lay out your three shop car...excuse me...three car shop. I did a Sketchup model of the house and shop layout. Take a look at the attached PDF, titled New Shop Layout at alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking Thank you BTW! |
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"Sonny" wrote in message ... Very nice. Up 'til now, we were actually not convinced you knew how to use a hammer. Thank you What'sa a hammer? ;~) Anyone would look forward to retiring into a nice shop, er...., home as that. Gonna move in before New Years? From grass on the ground to this stage in 15 days. Tentatively the closing date is Dec 21, 2010. Pre dry wall inspection Nov 8. ^5 I viewed a few more pics. I noticed those 3 inspectors (ladies)! ..... Keeping you on your toes, I suspect. IIRC they were all in the sewing studio......planing where to locate the quilting equipment. The up stairs has a game room/ sewing studio, full bath, and one bed room with w/i closet. She is talking about putting a small refrigerator up there. I may never see her. |
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"Leon" wrote IIRC they were all in the sewing studio......planing where to locate the quilting equipment. The up stairs has a game room/ sewing studio, full bath, and one bed room with w/i closet. She is talking about putting a small refrigerator up there. I may never see her. Well, you have heard of man caves, right. This is a woman cave. Or perhaps, more accurately, a quilting cave. That is the way that it is at my house. If I can't find Dawn, she is in her quilting room. You have to squeeze into the room because there is a big cabinet full or fabric right inside of the door. There are shelves down one side with boxes of fabric that go to the ceiling. With numerous other crates, boxes, cabinets, etc with even more fabric in the room. This does not count the three sewing machines, a serger, a fancy table with adapters for all the sewing machines and various thread racks. To stay in the room cause an increase in estrogen. She listens to her music in there. I know of what you speak. I, too, am married to a quilter. |
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I did mine in Better Homes and Garden's 3D CAD Professional. It was an
effort to get it to behave but worth it in the end. It looks just like the virtual walkthroughs did. "END"??? What end? I am still finishing it after three years and many pulled muscles. Just a note: A friend of mine has built a few homes and after backfilling and planting seed, he took a plate vibrator / packer to the lawn around the house. Weird, I know but the grass grew so fast I couldn't believe it and two years later no sinking can be detected. "Leon" wrote in message ... I did a Sketchup model of the house and shop layout. Take a look at the attached PDF, titled New Shop Layout at alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking |
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Two weeks ago yesterday the forms for the foundation of our new home were
erected. *Yesterday the roof decking, windows, siding where there sill be no brick or rock, gas plumbing, and sheathing had been installed. *Tentatively we meet with the building supervisor to do a pre dry wall inspection. Lucky *******. At least until the ole bat next door calls the cops on your noisey router and eventually shuts you down. |
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"Lee Michaels" leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net wrote in message eb.com... "Leon" wrote IIRC they were all in the sewing studio......planing where to locate the quilting equipment. The up stairs has a game room/ sewing studio, full bath, and one bed room with w/i closet. She is talking about putting a small refrigerator up there. I may never see her. Well, you have heard of man caves, right. This is a woman cave. Or perhaps, more accurately, a quilting cave. That is the way that it is at my house. If I can't find Dawn, she is in her quilting room. You have to squeeze into the room because there is a big cabinet full or fabric right inside of the door. There are shelves down one side with boxes of fabric that go to the ceiling. With numerous other crates, boxes, cabinets, etc with even more fabric in the room. This does not count the three sewing machines, a serger, a fancy table with adapters for all the sewing machines and various thread racks. To stay in the room cause an increase in estrogen. She listens to her music in there. I know of what you speak. I, too, am married to a quilter. We have to fit in an 11'x5' long arm quilting machine and a couple of others, one is an embrodry machine. Several years ago I built a large cabinet with drawers to store the long arm poles and stands and tracks. That thing will have to go up stairs and be lifted over a guard rail... Oh Boy! And yeah, I suggested that my wife stay with carpet up stairs. The floors are going to get estrogen slippery with all of her quilting buddies getting together up there. I told her the carpet would be easier on her feet. |
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"SonomaProducts.com" wrote in message ... Two weeks ago yesterday the forms for the foundation of our new home were erected. Yesterday the roof decking, windows, siding where there sill be no brick or rock, gas plumbing, and sheathing had been installed. Tentatively we meet with the building supervisor to do a pre dry wall inspection. Lucky *******. Thanks I think ;~) At least until the ole bat next door calls the cops on your noisey router and eventually shuts you down. Already covered that with the HOA. ;~) Not a problem as long as the garage remains a garage and not something that would prevent 3 cars from being brought in some time in the future. I purposely picked a lot with no immediate neighbors. Prospective new neighbors will see what they are getting into and can pick another location. ;~) Actually my current nieghbors like the fact that I work out of my garage. They know that I am keeping an eye on the "goings ons" in the neighborhood while they are away at work, and I generally don't work at night. |
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Leon wrote the following:
Several months ago I mentioned that my wife I were going to sell our home to our son, he recently graduated with his masters degree and has gone to work for KPMG. Last week the sale was final and now we are homeless, so to speak. Two weeks ago yesterday the forms for the foundation of our new home were erected. Yesterday the roof decking, windows, siding where there sill be no brick or rock, gas plumbing, and sheathing had been installed. Tentatively we meet with the building supervisor to do a pre dry wall inspection. I get my 3 car shop, my wife gets her large sewing studio. Yeah! http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/ Good luck on the new house/shop. Just one comment on the pics. If you have a paint/photo program, blur out the street names in your first picture. It only took me a couple of minutes, sitting at my computer, to locate your house location. You can't be too careful with personal information that is posted for all to see. -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY In the original Orange County. Est. 1683 To email, remove the double zeroes after @ |
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On 11/3/10 2:14 PM, Leon wrote:
Actually my current nieghbors like the fact that I work out of my garage. They know that I am keeping an eye on the "goings ons" in the neighborhood while they are away at work, and I generally don't work at night. Mine, too, for that same reason. Neighbor two doors down works at home, too. Congrats on the new place. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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On 11/3/10 2:21 PM, willshak wrote:
Leon wrote the following: Good luck on the new house/shop. Just one comment on the pics. If you have a paint/photo program, blur out the street names in your first picture. It only took me a couple of minutes, sitting at my computer, to locate your house location. You can't be too careful with personal information that is posted for all to see. Guess I don't understand the paranoia. Before internet mapping, a call to 411 would yield the same results. A call to the local county clerk would tell you a bunch more. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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-MIKE- wrote the following:
On 11/3/10 2:21 PM, willshak wrote: Leon wrote the following: Good luck on the new house/shop. Just one comment on the pics. If you have a paint/photo program, blur out the street names in your first picture. It only took me a couple of minutes, sitting at my computer, to locate your house location. You can't be too careful with personal information that is posted for all to see. Guess I don't understand the paranoia. Before internet mapping, a call to 411 would yield the same results. What information would you give the 411 operator to get the address? A call to the local county clerk would tell you a bunch more. What local county clerk? -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY In the original Orange County. Est. 1683 To email, remove the double zeroes after @ |
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On 11/3/10 3:11 PM, willshak wrote:
-MIKE- wrote the following: On 11/3/10 2:21 PM, willshak wrote: Leon wrote the following: Good luck on the new house/shop. Just one comment on the pics. If you have a paint/photo program, blur out the street names in your first picture. It only took me a couple of minutes, sitting at my computer, to locate your house location. You can't be too careful with personal information that is posted for all to see. Guess I don't understand the paranoia. Before internet mapping, a call to 411 would yield the same results. What information would you give the 411 operator to get the address? A call to the local county clerk would tell you a bunch more. What local county clerk? I was speaking in general. I'm listed in the phone book. Even the quickest web perusal reveals my last name and the city in which I live. But, to expound on my "paranoia" comment.... Blotching out the street names in his picture is the equivalent of putting a $10 latch and padlock on your shed. All it does it keep out the curious. Anyone interested in stealing your stuff can be in and out of your shed in 5 minutes and you'd be none the wiser. Same goes for any public information for anyone in this newsgroup. Blotching out those street names may keep someone like you from googling it and saying, "oh, wow, so that's where his new house is." But someone who is intent on doing anything else that would warrant paranoia wouldn't be impeded in the least by that. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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On Nov 3, 12:41*pm, "Leon" wrote:
Several months ago I mentioned that my wife I were going to sell our home to our son, he recently graduated with his masters degree and has gone to work for KPMG. Last week the sale was final and now we are homeless, so to speak. Two weeks ago yesterday the forms for the foundation of our new home were erected. *Yesterday the roof decking, windows, siding where there sill be no brick or rock, gas plumbing, and sheathing had been installed. *Tentatively we meet with the building supervisor to do a pre dry wall inspection. I get my 3 car shop, my wife gets her large sewing studio. *Yeah! http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...tostream/#/pho... http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...tostream/#/pho... http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...tostream/#/pho... Building your own is always a trip. Looks like a nice quiet area for a CNC. G Congrats! |
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On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 11:41:41 -0500, "Leon"
wrote: Several months ago I mentioned that my wife I were going to sell our home to our son, he recently graduated with his masters degree and has gone to work for KPMG. Last week the sale was final and now we are homeless, so to speak. Congrats, I think. Two weeks ago yesterday the forms for the foundation of our new home were erected. Yesterday the roof decking, windows, siding where there sill be no brick or rock, gas plumbing, and sheathing had been installed. Tentatively we meet with the building supervisor to do a pre dry wall inspection. I get my 3 car shop, my wife gets her large sewing studio. Yeah! Jeeze, what is that, 3,000 s/f? Looks big. http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/ Why are all the tubafores standing on their tippytoes? DSCF0032 What's the orange tubing, floor heat? Seems sparse. Or rebar for stressing the concrete? IMG_0735 Why by a lot in a tract vs wide open spaces, on a hillock? (build one?) Are you in the floodplain? I couldn't tell where your lot was from that map. Do you live in Kansas? That's some flatland there, ain't it? Oh, Sugarland, TX. Same/same. Hurricane-proof house? I don't see as -any- ties or shear walls. I thought I'd see tons for that dangerous kind of area. Your tubasixes are casually toenailed to the sill. Scary. Tie that puppy down, boy! -- Experience is a good teacher, but she send in terrific bills. -- Minna Thomas Antrim |
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"Leon" wrote I get my 3 car shop, my wife gets her large sewing studio. Yeah! http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/ Nice ! ! ! Lots of square foots of shingles on that roof! |
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On Nov 3, 6:33*pm, Larry Jaques
Hurricane-proof house? I don't see as -any- ties or shear walls. *I thought I'd see tons for that dangerous kind of area. *Your tubasixes are casually toenailed to the sill. *Scary. *Tie that puppy down, boy! The sheetrock will hold everything together! Sonny |
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On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 20:32:52 -0700 (PDT), Sonny
wrote: On Nov 3, 6:33*pm, Larry Jaques Hurricane-proof house? I don't see as -any- ties or shear walls. *I thought I'd see tons for that dangerous kind of area. *Your tubasixes are casually toenailed to the sill. *Scary. *Tie that puppy down, boy! The sheetrock will hold everything together! OH, I forgot the wet Chinese sheetrock. Pardon me. Texas must not follow international code. -- Experience is a good teacher, but she send in terrific bills. -- Minna Thomas Antrim |
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"-MIKE-" wrote in message ... On 11/3/10 2:14 PM, Leon wrote: Actually my current nieghbors like the fact that I work out of my garage. They know that I am keeping an eye on the "goings ons" in the neighborhood while they are away at work, and I generally don't work at night. Mine, too, for that same reason. Neighbor two doors down works at home, too. Congrats on the new place. Thank you |
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"willshak" wrote in message m... Leon wrote the following: Several months ago I mentioned that my wife I were going to sell our home to our son, he recently graduated with his masters degree and has gone to work for KPMG. Last week the sale was final and now we are homeless, so to speak. Two weeks ago yesterday the forms for the foundation of our new home were erected. Yesterday the roof decking, windows, siding where there sill be no brick or rock, gas plumbing, and sheathing had been installed. Tentatively we meet with the building supervisor to do a pre dry wall inspection. I get my 3 car shop, my wife gets her large sewing studio. Yeah! http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/ Good luck on the new house/shop. Just one comment on the pics. If you have a paint/photo program, blur out the street names in your first picture. It only took me a couple of minutes, sitting at my computer, to locate your house location. You can't be too careful with personal information that is posted for all to see. I thought about that but hind site.....;~) |
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"Robatoy" wrote in message ... On Nov 3, 12:41 pm, "Leon" wrote: Several months ago I mentioned that my wife I were going to sell our home to our son, he recently graduated with his masters degree and has gone to work for KPMG. Last week the sale was final and now we are homeless, so to speak. Two weeks ago yesterday the forms for the foundation of our new home were erected. Yesterday the roof decking, windows, siding where there sill be no brick or rock, gas plumbing, and sheathing had been installed. Tentatively we meet with the building supervisor to do a pre dry wall inspection. I get my 3 car shop, my wife gets her large sewing studio. Yeah! http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...tostream/#/pho... http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...tostream/#/pho... http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...tostream/#/pho... Building your own is always a trip. Looks like a nice quiet area for a CNC. G Congrats! LOL... reminds me of a comedian I was watching on TV a few years back. He was telling about a neighbor that let his dog out at night for the sole purpose of "barking" the place up. Thanks |
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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message ... I get my 3 car shop, my wife gets her large sewing studio. Yeah! Jeeze, what is that, 3,000 s/f? Looks big. 2257 + approx 600 garage Why are all the tubafores standing on their tippytoes? DSCF0032 ? What's the orange tubing, floor heat? Seems sparse. Or rebar for stressing the concrete? IMG_0735 Insulated cable for stressing the slab. About 60 of them, they run down inside the footings also. Why by a lot in a tract vs wide open spaces, on a hillock? (build one?) Looked into that extensively many years ago, bought the land and never wrnt past that point due to job relocations. It is still appealing but this hose was literally the right price, about 25% less that what we would have had to pay about 6 months ago. Are you in the floodplain? I couldn't tell where your lot was from that map. That is the first thing I look for, we are not even in the 500 year flood plane. Our current house is, we had flood insurance for about 25 years in our old house and Omaha sold out to Fidelity for flood insurance. Fedelity did not observe the law and canceled our insurance and demanded we pay $3,600 per year for flood insurance, we had been paying $230. I dropped the insurance for a few years, got an elevation survey and now pay $700 per year. We should have been grandfathered-in and my attourney said we can fight and will win but it is going to cost you much more. Do you live in Kansas? That's some flatland there, ain't it? Oh, Sugarland, TX. Same/same. Was the Sugar Land area, now the North Richmond TX area, just west of Sugar Land and just south of Katy, Tx. Hurricane-proof house? I don't see as -any- ties or shear walls. I thought I'd see tons for that dangerous kind of area. Your tubasixes are casually toenailed to the sill. Scary. Tie that puppy down, boy! Actually this area only sees a hurricane on average about once every 25 years, we had one 2 years ago previous to that in 1983 and 1962. The new house is rated for 125 mile per hour winds and even with a Cat 4 hurricane at the coast, 60 miles inland the winds are much less. We have much more of a threat from flooding and oddly enough tornados al thoufh not the big ones. Old house is marginally closer tot he gulf and had faired well during the hurricanes that it has gone through. If I were much closer to the coast I would be much more concerned. -- Experience is a good teacher, but she send in terrific bills. -- Minna Thomas Antrim |
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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message ... On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 20:32:52 -0700 (PDT), Sonny wrote: On Nov 3, 6:33 pm, Larry Jaques Hurricane-proof house? I don't see as -any- ties or shear walls. I thought I'd see tons for that dangerous kind of area. Your tubasixes are casually toenailed to the sill. Scary. Tie that puppy down, boy! The sheetrock will hold everything together! OH, I forgot the wet Chinese sheetrock. Pardon me. Texas must not follow international code. I think after checking the flood plane, I checked on the sheet rock manufacturer. ;~) |
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"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... "Leon" wrote I get my 3 car shop, my wife gets her large sewing studio. Yeah! http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/ Nice ! ! ! Thanks... Lots of square foots of shingles on that roof! yeah,,,, and fortunately the builder started using a 30 year shingle vs a 20 year shingle on my home. But our old home had an aluminum life time roof...I hate to leave that behind. |
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On 11/4/2010 7:22 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 20:32:52 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Nov 3, 6:33 pm, Larry Jaques Hurricane-proof house? I don't see as -any- ties or shear walls. I thought I'd see tons for that dangerous kind of area. Your tubasixes are casually toenailed to the sill. Scary. Tie that puppy down, boy! The sheetrock will hold everything together! OH, I forgot the wet Chinese sheetrock. Pardon me. Texas must not follow international code. It does ... but you have to be informed before you flap your trap. You guys can laugh, but drywall can actually be an element in a properly designed shearwall (albeit a weak one, but it does have shear resistance which adds to the total effect), particularly in a hurricane prone area, but not so much in earthquake zones. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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On 11/3/2010 6:33 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
Hurricane-proof house? I don't see as -any- ties or shear walls. Trying to rain on someone's parade again, C-less? Obviously hurricane strapping is not installed until after all the framing elements are in. Do you know what a "shear wall" is? http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/ You see that thermo-ply sheathing It is one of the main elements of a "shear wall" in a frame construction. In the photo, you can also see, from the top sill plate of the first floor exterior wall, that the next course of plywood sheathing will overlap the first and second floor exterior walls, which is also a shear wall requirement in most locales in this area. (I would have actually used a "running bond" overlap, instead of butt join, of the sheathing in this area to give it added shear resistance, but as long as it is properly nailed it should pass local shear wall inspection requirements, as is ... once the sheathing is complete, of course). -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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On Nov 4, 10:05*am, Swingman wrote:
On 11/4/2010 7:22 AM, Larry Jaques wrote: On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 20:32:52 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Nov 3, 6:33 pm, Larry Jaques Hurricane-proof house? I don't see as -any- ties or shear walls. *I thought I'd see tons for that dangerous kind of area. *Your tubasixes are casually toenailed to the sill. *Scary. *Tie that puppy down, boy! The sheetrock will hold everything together! OH, I forgot the wet Chinese sheetrock. *Pardon me. Texas must not follow international code. It does ... but you have to be informed before you flap your trap. You guys can laugh, but drywall can actually be an element in a properly designed shearwall (albeit a weak one, but it does have shear resistance which adds to the total effect), particularly in a hurricane prone area, but not so much in earthquake zones. I wouldn't trust the stuff (though I live in an old house, and so therefore consequently do) for a shear wall. I think it's particularly bad for cyclic loading, like you said, in seismic zones. Gypsum shear walls for residential construction have largely gone the way of the dodo with the "new and improved" building code. Using gypsum for the shear wall would cause a typical plan examiner to immediately break out the red stamp unless there were specific structural notation/calculation from an engineer. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...l.491/abstract http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/pdf1985/patto85a.pdf R |
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On 11/4/2010 9:50 AM, RicodJour wrote:
On Nov 4, 10:05 am, wrote: On 11/4/2010 7:22 AM, Larry Jaques wrote: On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 20:32:52 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Nov 3, 6:33 pm, Larry Jaques Hurricane-proof house? I don't see as -any- ties or shear walls. I thought I'd see tons for that dangerous kind of area. Your tubasixes are casually toenailed to the sill. Scary. Tie that puppy down, boy! The sheetrock will hold everything together! OH, I forgot the wet Chinese sheetrock. Pardon me. Texas must not follow international code. It does ... but you have to be informed before you flap your trap. You guys can laugh, but drywall can actually be an element in a properly designed shearwall (albeit a weak one, but it does have shear resistance which adds to the total effect), particularly in a hurricane prone area, but not so much in earthquake zones. I wouldn't trust the stuff (though I live in an old house, and so therefore consequently do) for a shear wall. I think it' SHEEEEESSSH! No where did I say, or imply, that drywall was sufficient for a properly designed shear wall and that you should "trust" it in that application. To intimate that is ridiculous. What I said is that drywall can be an element in the cumulative shear resistance of a shear wall. Of that there is NO question. Jeezusss ... -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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On Nov 4, 10:59*am, Swingman wrote:
On 11/4/2010 9:50 AM, RicodJour wrote: On Nov 4, 10:05 am, *wrote: On 11/4/2010 7:22 AM, Larry Jaques wrote: Texas must not follow international code. It does ... but you have to be informed before you flap your trap. You guys can laugh, but drywall can actually be an element in a properly designed shearwall (albeit a weak one, but it does have shear resistance which adds to the total effect), particularly in a hurricane prone area, but not so much in earthquake zones. I wouldn't trust the stuff (though I live in an old house, and so therefore consequently do) for a shear wall. *I think it' SHEEEEESSSH! No where did I say, or imply, that drywall was sufficient for a properly designed shear wall and that you should "trust" it in that application. To intimate that is ridiculous. What I said is that drywall can be an element in the cumulative shear resistance of a shear wall. Of that there is NO question. Jeezusss ... Did you take an extra sensitivity pill this morning? I made no comment on your beliefs, I did not read any implications into your comments, nor did I infer any. I merely gave my professional opinion on gypsum as a shear wall component. I realize Leon is your BFF, but you probably shouldn't go looking for battles where there aren't any. R |
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On Nov 4, 9:26*am, "Leon" wrote:
"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... "Leon" wrote I get my 3 car shop, my wife gets her large sewing studio. *Yeah! http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...tostream/#/pho.... http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...tostream/#/pho.... http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...tostream/#/pho.... Nice ! ! ! Thanks... Lots of square foots of shingles on that roof! yeah,,,, and fortunately the builder started using a 30 year shingle vs a 20 year shingle on my home. *But our old home had an aluminum life time roof...I hate to leave that behind. They're doing a few steel roofs around here....plug-ugly, me thinks. I have seen some interesting tile roof steel lookalikes at home shows, but those are stupid money. Again, so much of a roofing job is in the installation...IOW, I'd take a properly installed 20-year- over a shoddily slapped on 30 year shingle any day. That nice wide overhang of yours ought to keep that blazing burning ******* away from your windows in summer time. |
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"Leon" wrote in message news: 2257 + approx 600 garage I'm still wondering about the garage doing double duty for your woodworking. Considering the amount and quality of woodworking you do, I'm surprised you didn't organize a dedicated workshop. Obviously, you've considered it all and the garage is all you really need. Guess it's just me and my preferences getting in the way. |
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On Nov 4, 10:50*am, RicodJour wrote:
On Nov 4, 10:05*am, Swingman wrote: On 11/4/2010 7:22 AM, Larry Jaques wrote: On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 20:32:52 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Nov 3, 6:33 pm, Larry Jaques Hurricane-proof house? I don't see as -any- ties or shear walls. *I thought I'd see tons for that dangerous kind of area. *Your tubasixes are casually toenailed to the sill. *Scary. *Tie that puppy down, boy! The sheetrock will hold everything together! OH, I forgot the wet Chinese sheetrock. *Pardon me. Texas must not follow international code. It does ... but you have to be informed before you flap your trap. You guys can laugh, but drywall can actually be an element in a properly designed shearwall (albeit a weak one, but it does have shear resistance which adds to the total effect), particularly in a hurricane prone area, but not so much in earthquake zones. I wouldn't trust the stuff (though I live in an old house, and so therefore consequently do) for a shear wall. *I think it's particularly bad for cyclic loading, like you said, in seismic zones. Gypsum shear walls for residential construction have largely gone the way of the dodo with the "new and improved" building code. *Using gypsum for the shear wall would cause a typical plan examiner to immediately break out the red stamp unless there were specific structural notations/calculations from an engineer. fixed it for you. |
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Leon, you have your space allocations all screwed up. 2,200+ sq ft = living space 600+ sq ft = shop space Your priorities are definitely bass ackwardsG. Lew |
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"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message b.com... Subject Leon, you have your space allocations all screwed up. 2,200+ sq ft = living space 600+ sq ft = shop space Your priorities are definitely bass ackwardsG. Lew Totally agree! ;~) Knock out the center of the garage back wall and and another wall behind that and gain an area 12' x 26' |
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On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 08:23:26 -0500, "Leon"
wrote: "Larry Jaques" wrote in message .. . I get my 3 car shop, my wife gets her large sewing studio. Yeah! Jeeze, what is that, 3,000 s/f? Looks big. 2257 + approx 600 garage Perfectly insulated, I hope. Big! Why are all the tubafores standing on their tippytoes? DSCF0032 ? What's the orange tubing, floor heat? Seems sparse. Or rebar for stressing the concrete? IMG_0735 Insulated cable for stressing the slab. About 60 of them, they run down inside the footings also. Interesting. Why by a lot in a tract vs wide open spaces, on a hillock? (build one?) Looked into that extensively many years ago, bought the land and never wrnt past that point due to job relocations. It is still appealing but this hose was literally the right price, about 25% less that what we would have had to pay about 6 months ago. Too bad about the old land. RE the new lot: steenkin' HOA, tract, and flat area probably all go together to reduce the value. Are you in the floodplain? I couldn't tell where your lot was from that map. That is the first thing I look for, we are not even in the 500 year flood Good. plane. Our current house is, we had flood insurance for about 25 years in our old house and Omaha sold out to Fidelity for flood insurance. Fedelity did not observe the law and canceled our insurance and demanded we pay $3,600 per year for flood insurance, we had been paying $230. I dropped the insurance for a few years, got an elevation survey and now pay $700 per year. We should have been grandfathered-in and my attourney said we can fight and will win but it is going to cost you much more. Too bad it isn't 150 years ago and you could settle it out of court with one .56 Spenser round, huh? Do you live in Kansas? That's some flatland there, ain't it? Oh, Sugarland, TX. Same/same. Was the Sugar Land area, now the North Richmond TX area, just west of Sugar Land and just south of Katy, Tx. Fort Stinkin' Desert! No, wait, that was Phoenix. Hurricane-proof house? I don't see as -any- ties or shear walls. I thought I'd see tons for that dangerous kind of area. Your tubasixes are casually toenailed to the sill. Scary. Tie that puppy down, boy! Actully this area only sees a hurricane on average about once every 25 years, we had one 2 years ago previous to that in 1983 and 1962. The new house is rated for 125 mile per hour winds and even with a Cat 4 hurricane Surprising. at the coast, 60 miles inland the winds are much less. We have much more of a threat from flooding and oddly enough tornados al thoufh not the big ones. Old house is marginally closer tot he gulf and had faired well during the hurricanes that it has gone through. If I were much closer to the coast I would be much more concerned. Good, but I'd have spent the extra few hundred to tie that puppy down were it my new pride and joy. YMOV -- Experience is a good teacher, but she send in terrific bills. -- Minna Thomas Antrim |
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On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 09:09:38 -0500, Swingman wrote:
On 11/3/2010 6:33 PM, Larry Jaques wrote: Hurricane-proof house? I don't see as -any- ties or shear walls. Trying to rain on someone's parade again, C-less? Again? But the answer is no. I was shocked to see no ties in the house. Obviously hurricane strapping is not installed until after all the framing elements are in. Do you know what a "shear wall" is? I thought I did, but I don't build homes. There appear to be far more types of shear walls than I'd been aware of. http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb1121...ream/lightbox/ You see that thermo-ply sheathing It is one of the main elements of a "shear wall" in a frame construction. In the photo, you can also see, from the top sill plate of the first floor exterior wall, that the next course of plywood sheathing will overlap the first and second floor exterior walls, which is also a shear wall requirement in most locales in this area. (I would have actually used a "running bond" overlap, instead of butt join, of the sheathing in this area to give it added shear resistance, but as long as it is properly nailed it should pass local shear wall inspection requirements, as is ... once the sheathing is complete, of course). I've never seen one which wasn't tied down with thick steel to the foundation, and most of those I've seen were steel or aluminum. -- Experience is a good teacher, but she send in terrific bills. -- Minna Thomas Antrim |
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