On 11/03/2010 09:41 AM, Leon wrote:
Several months ago I mentioned that my wife I were going to sell our home to
our son, he recently graduated with his masters degree and has gone to work
for KPMG.

Last week the sale was final and now we are homeless, so to speak.

Two weeks ago yesterday the forms for the foundation of our new home were
erected. Yesterday the roof decking, windows, siding where there sill be no
brick or rock, gas plumbing, and sheathing had been installed. Tentatively
we meet with the building supervisor to do a pre dry wall inspection.

I get my 3 car shop, my wife gets her large sewing studio. Yeah!



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Suggestion: structured wiring.

http://www.swhowto.com/

- Doug

"Doug Winterburn" wrote in message
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Suggestion: structured wiring.

http://www.swhowto.com/

- Doug

Included, with 15 drops plus home security ;~)

"Leon" wrote in message
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"Doug Winterburn" wrote in message
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Suggestion: structured wiring.

http://www.swhowto.com/

- Doug

Included, with 15 drops plus home security ;~)


Actually should be going in today.

On Nov 5, 10:27*am, "Leon" wrote:
"Leon" wrote in message
"Doug Winterburn" wrote in message

Suggestion: structured wiring.

http://www.swhowto.com/

Included, *with 15 drops plus home security *;~)

Actually should be going in today.

Excellent. So I guess we can expect the live video feed to be up and
running tomorrow. Of course that's necessary so we can keep track of
the project. Please ask the builder to put in a speaker on each floor
and a remotely controlled laser pointer so we can point out things to
the workers. If they can put in a high powered laser pointer, maybe
Robatoy or Mac could work some CNC magic so we could leave written
messages for the guys when they arrive in the morning. They shouldn't
mind the help, right?

R

Good going Leon! I can't imagine what it would be like to have that
much room to work whenever I wanted. Years ago I had a large rented
space with a small office attached that I ran my business out of for a
few years. Moving everything back home and having only a 12X16 shop
to work in is painful.

Since it must also serve as storage for materials and a staging area
for the projects there isn't any room in there.

I'll bet you and Kim are as happy as two newlyweds. For different
reasons!! ;^)

Congrats on everything. The house, the shop, being a good Dad, and
doing a find job raising good kids. That goes for Kim, too!

Robert

Doug Winterburn wrote:



Suggestion: structured wiring.

http://www.swhowto.com/


Structured wiring has a different definition than what he states on his web
site Doug. Structured wiring has been around a long time, and it's more
about standardizing color assignments, than it is about simply combining all
the wiring in your house and treating it as one wiring system. In fact,
that definition could be said to stand in conflict with the principles of a
structured wiring scheme. That said - he's got some good ideas and his
intent is well based.

I'd forgo the now outdated runs of CAT-anything and go wireless for internet
stuff. I have structured phone wiring in my house with a split 60 in the
basement, and while it was reasonably professional when it was installed,
it's almost useless now, since we've gone so much to wireless phones.
Likewise with all the CAT-5E I installed for the computers. I think I might
have 2 jacks in use today. Oh well - it was good at the time, but there are
better ways today.

Structured wiring will benefit everyone though in that it enforces
disciplines that pay off. Concepts like home runs, color assignments, etc.
that will facilitate troubleshooting later on down the road, and will pay
off with lessend issues of signal loss, crosstalk, etc.

So - I fundamentally agree with your post, but of course, I can't let that
stand in the way of a little disagreement...


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-Mike-

On 11/5/10 11:48 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
I'd forgo the now outdated runs of CAT-anything and go wireless for internet
stuff.


I agree. Even audio and video are going wifi. I don't know how the
hi-def stuff looks in wifi... it's probably not up to snuff, yet. But we
watch movies on our Wii, through Netflix and they come into the house
via internet which is supplied by the cable company though the cable.
Once it hits the router, it's going wifi to the Wii and the audio and
video on the internet streamed movies often looks and sounds better than
the digital comcast cable programs.


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-MIKE-

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On 11/05/2010 10:22 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 11/5/10 11:48 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
I'd forgo the now outdated runs of CAT-anything and go wireless for
internet
stuff.


I agree. Even audio and video are going wifi. I don't know how the
hi-def stuff looks in wifi... it's probably not up to snuff, yet. But we
watch movies on our Wii, through Netflix and they come into the house
via internet which is supplied by the cable company though the cable.
Once it hits the router, it's going wifi to the Wii and the audio and
video on the internet streamed movies often looks and sounds better than
the digital comcast cable programs.


Well, having struggled with HD 1080 over wireless 802.11n with no joy
(stuttering/jerky picture/sound), and then draping a 50' cat5e cable
from the router to the DirecTV with perfect results, I can't say
wireless is ready for HDTV. I'm using TVersity and Mediatomb on a
Windows and linux PC respectively. Both PC's are dual core 3.2GHzand do
fine streaming over 100Mb wire.

Weird how that works and yet I can stream 1080p over 100Mbit at about 5% of
bandwidth. Wi-fi still had to many hiccups.

ANother note about HD multimedia. It doesn't use any power of the GPU. The
GPU is only for gaming as it doesn't understand any of the compression. All
in the CPU. Mine (1080p) plays with a 2.5GHz x3 processor and no supersonic
video card. Only the MoBo video that came onboard and shares memory,
too...hahaha. eat you heart out, computer sales people.


"Doug Winterburn" wrote in message
eb.com...
Well, having struggled with HD 1080 over wireless 802.11n with no joy
(stuttering/jerky picture/sound), and then draping a 50' cat5e cable
from the router to the DirecTV with perfect results, I can't say
wireless is ready for HDTV. I'm using TVersity and Mediatomb on a
Windows and linux PC respectively. Both PC's are dual core 3.2GHzand do
fine streaming over 100Mb wire.

On 11/05/2010 09:48 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Doug Winterburn wrote:



Suggestion: structured wiring.

http://www.swhowto.com/


Structured wiring has a different definition than what he states on his web
site Doug. Structured wiring has been around a long time, and it's more
about standardizing color assignments, than it is about simply combining all
the wiring in your house and treating it as one wiring system. In fact,
that definition could be said to stand in conflict with the principles of a
structured wiring scheme. That said - he's got some good ideas and his
intent is well based.

I'd forgo the now outdated runs of CAT-anything and go wireless for internet
stuff. I have structured phone wiring in my house with a split 60 in the
basement, and while it was reasonably professional when it was installed,
it's almost useless now, since we've gone so much to wireless phones.
Likewise with all the CAT-5E I installed for the computers. I think I might
have 2 jacks in use today. Oh well - it was good at the time, but there are
better ways today.

Structured wiring will benefit everyone though in that it enforces
disciplines that pay off. Concepts like home runs, color assignments, etc.
that will facilitate troubleshooting later on down the road, and will pay
off with lessend issues of signal loss, crosstalk, etc.

So - I fundamentally agree with your post, but of course, I can't let that
stand in the way of a little disagreement...


I disagree. Structured wiring is all about combining all non AC power
into a central wiring panel and distribution using a star topology.
Naturally, observing color code standards is a given. It is also an
attempt to future-proof a building.

CAT5/CAT6 can be used for many things other than ethernet - such as hdmi
over cat5.

http://www.structuredhomewiring.com/

- Doug

Doug Winterburn wrote:
On 11/05/2010 09:48 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Doug Winterburn wrote:



Suggestion: structured wiring.

http://www.swhowto.com/


Structured wiring has a different definition than what he states on
his web site Doug. Structured wiring has been around a long time,
and it's more about standardizing color assignments, than it is
about simply combining all the wiring in your house and treating it
as one wiring system. In fact, that definition could be said to
stand in conflict with the principles of a structured wiring scheme.
That said - he's got some good ideas and his intent is well based.

I'd forgo the now outdated runs of CAT-anything and go wireless for
internet stuff. I have structured phone wiring in my house with a
split 60 in the basement, and while it was reasonably professional
when it was installed, it's almost useless now, since we've gone so
much to wireless phones. Likewise with all the CAT-5E I installed
for the computers. I think I might have 2 jacks in use today. Oh
well - it was good at the time, but there are better ways today.

Structured wiring will benefit everyone though in that it enforces
disciplines that pay off. Concepts like home runs, color
assignments, etc. that will facilitate troubleshooting later on down
the road, and will pay off with lessend issues of signal loss,
crosstalk, etc. So - I fundamentally agree with your post, but of course,
I can't
let that stand in the way of a little disagreement...


I disagree. Structured wiring is all about combining all non AC power
into a central wiring panel and distribution using a star topology.
Naturally, observing color code standards is a given. It is also an
attempt to future-proof a building.

CAT5/CAT6 can be used for many things other than ethernet - such as
hdmi over cat5.

http://www.structuredhomewiring.com/


Structured wiring is about much more than home wiring. The term has been
migrated over to home wiring so I'll give you that your point is valid
within a context, but that's not what structured wiring is. Any further
argument over it would be not worth the effort though, so we don't need to.
I don't suggest that there is no need for CAT-XX, just pointed out that
already, recent technologies are quickly being displaced.

--

-Mike-

On 11/05/2010 12:36 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Doug Winterburn wrote:
On 11/05/2010 09:48 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Doug Winterburn wrote:



Suggestion: structured wiring.

http://www.swhowto.com/


Structured wiring has a different definition than what he states on
his web site Doug. Structured wiring has been around a long time,
and it's more about standardizing color assignments, than it is
about simply combining all the wiring in your house and treating it
as one wiring system. In fact, that definition could be said to
stand in conflict with the principles of a structured wiring scheme.
That said - he's got some good ideas and his intent is well based.

I'd forgo the now outdated runs of CAT-anything and go wireless for
internet stuff. I have structured phone wiring in my house with a
split 60 in the basement, and while it was reasonably professional
when it was installed, it's almost useless now, since we've gone so
much to wireless phones. Likewise with all the CAT-5E I installed
for the computers. I think I might have 2 jacks in use today. Oh
well - it was good at the time, but there are better ways today.

Structured wiring will benefit everyone though in that it enforces
disciplines that pay off. Concepts like home runs, color
assignments, etc. that will facilitate troubleshooting later on down
the road, and will pay off with lessend issues of signal loss,
crosstalk, etc. So - I fundamentally agree with your post, but of course,
I can't
let that stand in the way of a little disagreement...


I disagree. Structured wiring is all about combining all non AC power
into a central wiring panel and distribution using a star topology.
Naturally, observing color code standards is a given. It is also an
attempt to future-proof a building.

CAT5/CAT6 can be used for many things other than ethernet - such as
hdmi over cat5.

http://www.structuredhomewiring.com/


Structured wiring is about much more than home wiring. The term has been
migrated over to home wiring so I'll give you that your point is valid
within a context, but that's not what structured wiring is. Any further
argument over it would be not worth the effort though, so we don't need to.
I don't suggest that there is no need for CAT-XX, just pointed out that
already, recent technologies are quickly being displaced.

The term "structured wiring" may well have historical origins, perhaps
from the term "structured cabling". My use of it is in reference to
residential implementations, and searching the web, most every hit also
is in reference to residential use.

I do know that wifi currently is incapable of streaming 1080 HDTV and is
unlikely to for several years. It will probably not reach gigabit
bandwidth in our lifetimes, but cat5/cat6 can do those speeds now and
the wire can be used for many things besides ethernet.

I wouldn't buy/build a house today without "structured wiring" including
multiple catX and RG6/U.

On Nov 5, 3:15*pm, Doug Winterburn wrote:

I disagree. *Structured wiring is all about combining all non AC power
into a central wiring panel and distribution using a star topology.
Naturally, observing color code standards is a given. *It is also an
attempt to future-proof a building.

The way I future-proof it is to run conduit so it's easy to pull new
and improved wires. Wireless is convenient, easy, slower and less
secure. There is no clear winner at this point.

R