"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
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On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 08:23:26 -0500, "Leon"
wrote:


"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
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I get my 3 car shop, my wife gets her large sewing studio. Yeah!

Jeeze, what is that, 3,000 s/f? Looks big.

2257 + approx 600 garage

Perfectly insulated, I hope. Big!

Better than Energy Star rated.





Looked into that extensively many years ago, bought the land and never
wrnt
past that point due to job relocations. It is still appealing but this
hose
was literally the right price, about 25% less that what we would have had
to
pay about 6 months ago.

Too bad about the old land. RE the new lot: steenkin' HOA, tract, and
flat area probably all go together to reduce the value.

Actually this house is the same I was refering to but in a different and
IMHO better location. That along with slow new home sales, except in this
area apparently. The builder has been in this particular location since
late August. They have completed 4 spec homes and sold 2 of them, is
building and sold 2 made to order homes. Currently there 8 spec homes under
construction. They plan to build 50 or so homes to finish the community
IIRC.




Do you live in Kansas? That's some flatland there, ain't it?
Oh, Sugarland, TX. Same/same.

Was the Sugar Land area, now the North Richmond TX area, just west of
Sugar
Land and just south of Katy, Tx.

Fort Stinkin' Desert! No, wait, that was Phoenix.


Hurricane-proof house? I don't see as -any- ties or shear walls. I
thought I'd see tons for that dangerous kind of area. Your tubasixes
are casually toenailed to the sill. Scary. Tie that puppy down, boy!

Actully this area only sees a hurricane on average about once every 25
years, we had one 2 years ago previous to that in 1983 and 1962. The new
house is rated for 125 mile per hour winds and even with a Cat 4 hurricane

Surprising.

Houston is in a very unique location along the gulf coast, It is a rare
event to have a hurricane strike directly and or get much wind if any from a
close hitting storm. Five years ago about a month after Katrina hurricane
Rita was aimed for Houston and there was a mass exodus. The storm ended up
hitting about 60-80 miles to our east and IIRC it only got a little windy,
it was basically a non event.
I grew up in Corpus Christi, about 200 miles south and literally on the
water. While I lived there and during the period from 1962 to 1971 I went
through 3 major hurricanes. Only 1 of those storms was a direct hit, the
other two were at least 100 miles away and those storms delt a major blow in
Corpus Christi. I think because Houston is inland about 60 miles and is
sort of in a bend along the coast line the winds deminish quite rapidly when
the storms hit land.


Good, but I'd have spent the extra few hundred to tie that puppy down
were it my new pride and joy. YMOV


You have to draw the line some where and those things don't help when a
tornato hits the house. Typically most damage during a hurricane is not
caused directly by the hurricane winds rather from the debris that is flying
arouned and as swingman will attest to, rising water is the biggest threat.
Again hurricane straps don't help in that instance. Additionally hurricanes
in this region typically spawn multiple tornatos and again the straps are
not going to do much good against those winds and or micro bursts. If I
lived closer to he water, I would opt for the straps.

On 11/03/2010 09:41 AM, Leon wrote:
Several months ago I mentioned that my wife I were going to sell our home to
our son, he recently graduated with his masters degree and has gone to work
for KPMG.

Last week the sale was final and now we are homeless, so to speak.

Two weeks ago yesterday the forms for the foundation of our new home were
erected. Yesterday the roof decking, windows, siding where there sill be no
brick or rock, gas plumbing, and sheathing had been installed. Tentatively
we meet with the building supervisor to do a pre dry wall inspection.

I get my 3 car shop, my wife gets her large sewing studio. Yeah!



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Suggestion: structured wiring.

http://www.swhowto.com/

- Doug

"Doug Winterburn" wrote in message
eb.com...

Suggestion: structured wiring.

http://www.swhowto.com/

- Doug

Included, with 15 drops plus home security ;~)

"Leon" wrote in message
news

"Doug Winterburn" wrote in message
eb.com...

Suggestion: structured wiring.

http://www.swhowto.com/

- Doug

Included, with 15 drops plus home security ;~)


Actually should be going in today.

On Nov 5, 10:27*am, "Leon" wrote:
"Leon" wrote in message
"Doug Winterburn" wrote in message

Suggestion: structured wiring.

http://www.swhowto.com/

Included, *with 15 drops plus home security *;~)

Actually should be going in today.

Excellent. So I guess we can expect the live video feed to be up and
running tomorrow. Of course that's necessary so we can keep track of
the project. Please ask the builder to put in a speaker on each floor
and a remotely controlled laser pointer so we can point out things to
the workers. If they can put in a high powered laser pointer, maybe
Robatoy or Mac could work some CNC magic so we could leave written
messages for the guys when they arrive in the morning. They shouldn't
mind the help, right?

R

Good going Leon! I can't imagine what it would be like to have that
much room to work whenever I wanted. Years ago I had a large rented
space with a small office attached that I ran my business out of for a
few years. Moving everything back home and having only a 12X16 shop
to work in is painful.

Since it must also serve as storage for materials and a staging area
for the projects there isn't any room in there.

I'll bet you and Kim are as happy as two newlyweds. For different
reasons!! ;^)

Congrats on everything. The house, the shop, being a good Dad, and
doing a find job raising good kids. That goes for Kim, too!

Robert

Doug Winterburn wrote:



Suggestion: structured wiring.

http://www.swhowto.com/


Structured wiring has a different definition than what he states on his web
site Doug. Structured wiring has been around a long time, and it's more
about standardizing color assignments, than it is about simply combining all
the wiring in your house and treating it as one wiring system. In fact,
that definition could be said to stand in conflict with the principles of a
structured wiring scheme. That said - he's got some good ideas and his
intent is well based.

I'd forgo the now outdated runs of CAT-anything and go wireless for internet
stuff. I have structured phone wiring in my house with a split 60 in the
basement, and while it was reasonably professional when it was installed,
it's almost useless now, since we've gone so much to wireless phones.
Likewise with all the CAT-5E I installed for the computers. I think I might
have 2 jacks in use today. Oh well - it was good at the time, but there are
better ways today.

Structured wiring will benefit everyone though in that it enforces
disciplines that pay off. Concepts like home runs, color assignments, etc.
that will facilitate troubleshooting later on down the road, and will pay
off with lessend issues of signal loss, crosstalk, etc.

So - I fundamentally agree with your post, but of course, I can't let that
stand in the way of a little disagreement...


--

-Mike-

On 11/5/10 11:48 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
I'd forgo the now outdated runs of CAT-anything and go wireless for internet
stuff.


I agree. Even audio and video are going wifi. I don't know how the
hi-def stuff looks in wifi... it's probably not up to snuff, yet. But we
watch movies on our Wii, through Netflix and they come into the house
via internet which is supplied by the cable company though the cable.
Once it hits the router, it's going wifi to the Wii and the audio and
video on the internet streamed movies often looks and sounds better than
the digital comcast cable programs.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com

---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

On 11/05/2010 10:22 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 11/5/10 11:48 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
I'd forgo the now outdated runs of CAT-anything and go wireless for
internet
stuff.


I agree. Even audio and video are going wifi. I don't know how the
hi-def stuff looks in wifi... it's probably not up to snuff, yet. But we
watch movies on our Wii, through Netflix and they come into the house
via internet which is supplied by the cable company though the cable.
Once it hits the router, it's going wifi to the Wii and the audio and
video on the internet streamed movies often looks and sounds better than
the digital comcast cable programs.


Well, having struggled with HD 1080 over wireless 802.11n with no joy
(stuttering/jerky picture/sound), and then draping a 50' cat5e cable
from the router to the DirecTV with perfect results, I can't say
wireless is ready for HDTV. I'm using TVersity and Mediatomb on a
Windows and linux PC respectively. Both PC's are dual core 3.2GHzand do
fine streaming over 100Mb wire.

On 11/05/2010 09:48 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Doug Winterburn wrote:



Suggestion: structured wiring.

http://www.swhowto.com/


Structured wiring has a different definition than what he states on his web
site Doug. Structured wiring has been around a long time, and it's more
about standardizing color assignments, than it is about simply combining all
the wiring in your house and treating it as one wiring system. In fact,
that definition could be said to stand in conflict with the principles of a
structured wiring scheme. That said - he's got some good ideas and his
intent is well based.

I'd forgo the now outdated runs of CAT-anything and go wireless for internet
stuff. I have structured phone wiring in my house with a split 60 in the
basement, and while it was reasonably professional when it was installed,
it's almost useless now, since we've gone so much to wireless phones.
Likewise with all the CAT-5E I installed for the computers. I think I might
have 2 jacks in use today. Oh well - it was good at the time, but there are
better ways today.

Structured wiring will benefit everyone though in that it enforces
disciplines that pay off. Concepts like home runs, color assignments, etc.
that will facilitate troubleshooting later on down the road, and will pay
off with lessend issues of signal loss, crosstalk, etc.

So - I fundamentally agree with your post, but of course, I can't let that
stand in the way of a little disagreement...


I disagree. Structured wiring is all about combining all non AC power
into a central wiring panel and distribution using a star topology.
Naturally, observing color code standards is a given. It is also an
attempt to future-proof a building.

CAT5/CAT6 can be used for many things other than ethernet - such as hdmi
over cat5.

http://www.structuredhomewiring.com/

- Doug

Doug Winterburn wrote:
On 11/05/2010 09:48 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Doug Winterburn wrote:



Suggestion: structured wiring.

http://www.swhowto.com/


Structured wiring has a different definition than what he states on
his web site Doug. Structured wiring has been around a long time,
and it's more about standardizing color assignments, than it is
about simply combining all the wiring in your house and treating it
as one wiring system. In fact, that definition could be said to
stand in conflict with the principles of a structured wiring scheme.
That said - he's got some good ideas and his intent is well based.

I'd forgo the now outdated runs of CAT-anything and go wireless for
internet stuff. I have structured phone wiring in my house with a
split 60 in the basement, and while it was reasonably professional
when it was installed, it's almost useless now, since we've gone so
much to wireless phones. Likewise with all the CAT-5E I installed
for the computers. I think I might have 2 jacks in use today. Oh
well - it was good at the time, but there are better ways today.

Structured wiring will benefit everyone though in that it enforces
disciplines that pay off. Concepts like home runs, color
assignments, etc. that will facilitate troubleshooting later on down
the road, and will pay off with lessend issues of signal loss,
crosstalk, etc. So - I fundamentally agree with your post, but of course,
I can't
let that stand in the way of a little disagreement...


I disagree. Structured wiring is all about combining all non AC power
into a central wiring panel and distribution using a star topology.
Naturally, observing color code standards is a given. It is also an
attempt to future-proof a building.

CAT5/CAT6 can be used for many things other than ethernet - such as
hdmi over cat5.

http://www.structuredhomewiring.com/


Structured wiring is about much more than home wiring. The term has been
migrated over to home wiring so I'll give you that your point is valid
within a context, but that's not what structured wiring is. Any further
argument over it would be not worth the effort though, so we don't need to.
I don't suggest that there is no need for CAT-XX, just pointed out that
already, recent technologies are quickly being displaced.

--

-Mike-

On 11/05/2010 12:36 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Doug Winterburn wrote:
On 11/05/2010 09:48 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Doug Winterburn wrote:



Suggestion: structured wiring.

http://www.swhowto.com/


Structured wiring has a different definition than what he states on
his web site Doug. Structured wiring has been around a long time,
and it's more about standardizing color assignments, than it is
about simply combining all the wiring in your house and treating it
as one wiring system. In fact, that definition could be said to
stand in conflict with the principles of a structured wiring scheme.
That said - he's got some good ideas and his intent is well based.

I'd forgo the now outdated runs of CAT-anything and go wireless for
internet stuff. I have structured phone wiring in my house with a
split 60 in the basement, and while it was reasonably professional
when it was installed, it's almost useless now, since we've gone so
much to wireless phones. Likewise with all the CAT-5E I installed
for the computers. I think I might have 2 jacks in use today. Oh
well - it was good at the time, but there are better ways today.

Structured wiring will benefit everyone though in that it enforces
disciplines that pay off. Concepts like home runs, color
assignments, etc. that will facilitate troubleshooting later on down
the road, and will pay off with lessend issues of signal loss,
crosstalk, etc. So - I fundamentally agree with your post, but of course,
I can't
let that stand in the way of a little disagreement...


I disagree. Structured wiring is all about combining all non AC power
into a central wiring panel and distribution using a star topology.
Naturally, observing color code standards is a given. It is also an
attempt to future-proof a building.

CAT5/CAT6 can be used for many things other than ethernet - such as
hdmi over cat5.

http://www.structuredhomewiring.com/


Structured wiring is about much more than home wiring. The term has been
migrated over to home wiring so I'll give you that your point is valid
within a context, but that's not what structured wiring is. Any further
argument over it would be not worth the effort though, so we don't need to.
I don't suggest that there is no need for CAT-XX, just pointed out that
already, recent technologies are quickly being displaced.

The term "structured wiring" may well have historical origins, perhaps
from the term "structured cabling". My use of it is in reference to
residential implementations, and searching the web, most every hit also
is in reference to residential use.

I do know that wifi currently is incapable of streaming 1080 HDTV and is
unlikely to for several years. It will probably not reach gigabit
bandwidth in our lifetimes, but cat5/cat6 can do those speeds now and
the wire can be used for many things besides ethernet.

I wouldn't buy/build a house today without "structured wiring" including
multiple catX and RG6/U.

Weird how that works and yet I can stream 1080p over 100Mbit at about 5% of
bandwidth. Wi-fi still had to many hiccups.

ANother note about HD multimedia. It doesn't use any power of the GPU. The
GPU is only for gaming as it doesn't understand any of the compression. All
in the CPU. Mine (1080p) plays with a 2.5GHz x3 processor and no supersonic
video card. Only the MoBo video that came onboard and shares memory,
too...hahaha. eat you heart out, computer sales people.


"Doug Winterburn" wrote in message
eb.com...
Well, having struggled with HD 1080 over wireless 802.11n with no joy
(stuttering/jerky picture/sound), and then draping a 50' cat5e cable
from the router to the DirecTV with perfect results, I can't say
wireless is ready for HDTV. I'm using TVersity and Mediatomb on a
Windows and linux PC respectively. Both PC's are dual core 3.2GHzand do
fine streaming over 100Mb wire.

The Cat5 and CAT6 cables and WiFi are part of the Ethernet hardware (layer
1) spec. Your HDMI "streams" over Ethernet. Slight misuse of terms.


"Doug Winterburn" wrote in message
eb.com...
The term "structured wiring" may well have historical origins, perhaps
from the term "structured cabling". My use of it is in reference to
residential implementations, and searching the web, most every hit also
is in reference to residential use.

I do know that wifi currently is incapable of streaming 1080 HDTV and is
unlikely to for several years. It will probably not reach gigabit
bandwidth in our lifetimes, but cat5/cat6 can do those speeds now and
the wire can be used for many things besides ethernet.

I wouldn't buy/build a house today without "structured wiring" including
multiple catX and RG6/U.

On Nov 5, 3:15*pm, Doug Winterburn wrote:

I disagree. *Structured wiring is all about combining all non AC power
into a central wiring panel and distribution using a star topology.
Naturally, observing color code standards is a given. *It is also an
attempt to future-proof a building.

The way I future-proof it is to run conduit so it's easy to pull new
and improved wires. Wireless is convenient, easy, slower and less
secure. There is no clear winner at this point.

R

On 11/05/2010 01:51 PM, Josepi wrote:
The Cat5 and CAT6 cables and WiFi are part of the Ethernet hardware (layer
1) spec. Your HDMI "streams" over Ethernet. Slight misuse of terms.

I didn't say HDMI streams over ethernet, but that you can do hdmi over
cat5/cat6 cable. You obviously wouldn't be using the cable for ethernet
at the same time.

wrote in message
...
Good going Leon! I can't imagine what it would be like to have that
much room to work whenever I wanted. Years ago I had a large rented
space with a small office attached that I ran my business out of for a
few years. Moving everything back home and having only a 12X16 shop
to work in is painful.

Since it must also serve as storage for materials and a staging area
for the projects there isn't any room in there.

I'll bet you and Kim are as happy as two newlyweds. For different
reasons!! ;^)

Congrats on everything. The house, the shop, being a good Dad, and
doing a find job raising good kids. That goes for Kim, too!

Robert


Thank you Robert! Finally we will have enough room for guests to spend the
night, so when y'all are in town you need to plan on spending a night.
Then there would be the night at Swingman's house, then you can visit your
sister, in that order. ;~)

On Nov 5, 5:54*pm, "Leon" wrote:
wrote in message


Good going Leon! *I can't imagine what it would be like to have that
much room to work whenever I wanted. *Years ago I had a large rented
space with a small office attached that I ran my business out of for a
few years. *Moving everything back home and having only a 12X16 shop
to work in is painful.

Since it must also serve as storage for materials and a staging area
for the projects there isn't any room in there.

I'll bet you and Kim are as happy as two newlyweds. * For different
reasons!! *;^) *

Congrats on everything. *The house, the shop, being a good Dad, and
doing a find job raising good kids. *That goes for Kim, too!

Thank you Robert! *Finally we will have enough room for guests to spend the
night, *so when y'all are in town you need to plan on spending a night.
Then there would be the night at Swingman's house, then you can visit your
sister, in that order. *;~)

Are you guys going to get biker jackets with crossed chisels under a
saw blade patches? Hmmm...making up Wreck patches isn't a bad idea.

R

On 11/5/2010 4:54 PM, Leon wrote:

Thank you Robert! Finally we will have enough room for guests to spend the
night, so when y'all are in town you need to plan on spending a night.
Then there would be the night at Swingman's house, then you can visit your
sister, in that order. ;~)

Let's get Marlowe in there too ... he wants to come down when it's
warmer than in NY, but not hot, which means Feb or March ...

.... otherwise known as GUMBO weather!

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlC@ (the obvious)

Swingman wrote:
On 11/5/2010 4:54 PM, Leon wrote:

Thank you Robert! Finally we will have enough room for guests to
spend the night, so when y'all are in town you need to plan on
spending a night. Then there would be the night at Swingman's house,
then you can visit your sister, in that order. ;~)

Let's get Marlowe in there too ... he wants to come down when it's
warmer than in NY, but not hot, which means Feb or March ...

... otherwise known as GUMBO weather!

i think you'll find that people from the north who visit the south during
the winter tend to stay around. i always ask northeners to visit during
july/aug.

regards,
charlie
phx, az

On Nov 5, 7:18*pm, "chaniarts" wrote:

i think you'll find that people from the north who visit the south during
the winter tend to stay around. i always ask northeners to visit during
july/aug.

regards,
charlie
phx, az

My brother went down to Phoenix in the summer twelve years ago and
he's still there. He might be your neighbor. Do you have a neighbor
with numerous trucks, cars, motorcycles, four dogs and he's always
working on something - usually loudly? That's him.

R

In article ,
says...

The Cat5 and CAT6 cables and WiFi are part of the Ethernet hardware (layer
1) spec. Your HDMI "streams" over Ethernet. Slight misuse of terms.


"Doug Winterburn" wrote in message
eb.com...
The term "structured wiring" may well have historical origins, perhaps
from the term "structured cabling". My use of it is in reference to
residential implementations, and searching the web, most every hit also
is in reference to residential use.

I do know that wifi currently is incapable of streaming 1080 HDTV and is
unlikely to for several years. It will probably not reach gigabit
bandwidth in our lifetimes, but cat5/cat6 can do those speeds now and
the wire can be used for many things besides ethernet.

Interesting. Television stations manage to stream 1080 HDTV over a 6
MHz channel. 802.11G provides several times that.

I wouldn't buy/build a house today without "structured wiring" including
multiple catX and RG6/U.

On 11/05/2010 05:30 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
In ,
says...
Interesting. Television stations manage to stream 1080 HDTV over a 6
MHz channel. 802.11G provides several times that.



Yes it is interesting, but what "works" works and what doesn't doesn't.

802.11n doesn't cut it at 30' line of sight either for HDTV (1080).

Works OK for SD (480i), but not 1080p.

That's why I'm trying to figure out how to get cat5e from my router
through the vaulted cielings and fire block on the interior walls. If I
could on find a skinny little guy to crawl around in the attic...

- Doug

On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 08:55:42 -0500, "Leon"
wrote:


"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 08:23:26 -0500, "Leon"
wrote:


"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...


I get my 3 car shop, my wife gets her large sewing studio. Yeah!

Jeeze, what is that, 3,000 s/f? Looks big.

2257 + approx 600 garage

Perfectly insulated, I hope. Big!

Better than Energy Star rated.

Excellent.


--snip--
Houston is in a very unique location along the gulf coast, It is a rare
event to have a hurricane strike directly and or get much wind if any from a
close hitting storm. Five years ago about a month after Katrina hurricane
Rita was aimed for Houston and there was a mass exodus. The storm ended up
hitting about 60-80 miles to our east and IIRC it only got a little windy,
it was basically a non event.

That's good...for you, but not the inline folks.


I grew up in Corpus Christi, about 200 miles south and literally on the
water. While I lived there and during the period from 1962 to 1971 I went
through 3 major hurricanes. Only 1 of those storms was a direct hit, the
other two were at least 100 miles away and those storms delt a major blow in
Corpus Christi. I think because Houston is inland about 60 miles and is
sort of in a bend along the coast line the winds deminish quite rapidly when
the storms hit land.

Yeah, I forgot about that. It's just a few miles which take the wind
out of a hurricane's sails, isn't it?


Good, but I'd have spent the extra few hundred to tie that puppy down
were it my new pride and joy. YMOV

You have to draw the line some where and those things don't help when a
tornato hits the house. Typically most damage during a hurricane is not
caused directly by the hurricane winds rather from the debris that is flying
arouned and as swingman will attest to, rising water is the biggest threat.
Again hurricane straps don't help in that instance. Additionally hurricanes
in this region typically spawn multiple tornatos and again the straps are
not going to do much good against those winds and or micro bursts. If I
lived closer to he water, I would opt for the straps.

Gotcha. Hey, structured wiring is a great tradeoff if you're not in a
windy corridor. Enjoy it!

--
If we attend continually and promptly to the little that
we can do, we shall ere long be surprised to find how
little remains that we cannot do. -- Samuel Butler

On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 16:54:04 -0500, "Leon"
wrote:


wrote in message
...
Good going Leon! I can't imagine what it would be like to have that
much room to work whenever I wanted. Years ago I had a large rented
space with a small office attached that I ran my business out of for a
few years. Moving everything back home and having only a 12X16 shop
to work in is painful.

Since it must also serve as storage for materials and a staging area
for the projects there isn't any room in there.

I'll bet you and Kim are as happy as two newlyweds. For different
reasons!! ;^)

Congrats on everything. The house, the shop, being a good Dad, and
doing a find job raising good kids. That goes for Kim, too!

Robert


Thank you Robert! Finally we will have enough room for guests to spend the
night, so when y'all are in town you need to plan on spending a night.
Then there would be the night at Swingman's house, then you can visit your
sister, in that order. ;~)

I just realized why you need the extra large home: You built your own
bedroom castle...I mean "set".


--
If we attend continually and promptly to the little that
we can do, we shall ere long be surprised to find how
little remains that we cannot do. -- Samuel Butler

On Nov 5, 10:00*pm, Larry Jaques
wrote:
On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 08:55:42 -0500, "Leon"
wrote:





"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 08:23:26 -0500, "Leon"
wrote:

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...

I get my 3 car shop, my wife gets her large sewing studio. *Yeah!

Jeeze, what is that, 3,000 s/f? *Looks big.

2257 + approx 600 garage

Perfectly insulated, I hope. *Big!

Better than Energy Star rated.

Excellent.

--snip--

Houston is in a very unique location along the gulf coast, It is a rare
event to have a hurricane strike directly and or get much wind if any from a
close hitting storm. *Five years ago about a month after Katrina hurricane
Rita was aimed for Houston and there was a mass exodus. *The storm ended up
hitting about 60-80 miles to our east and IIRC it only got a little windy,
it was basically a non event.

That's good...for you, but not the inline folks.

I grew up in Corpus Christi, about 200 miles south and literally on the
water. *While I lived there and during the period from 1962 to 1971 I went
through 3 major hurricanes. *Only 1 of those storms was a direct hit, the
other two were at least 100 miles away and those storms delt a major blow in
Corpus Christi. *I think because Houston is inland about 60 miles and is
sort of in a bend along the coast line the winds deminish quite rapidly when
the storms hit land.

Yeah, I forgot about that. *It's just a few miles which take the wind
out of a hurricane's sails, isn't it?

Good, but I'd have spent the extra few hundred to tie that puppy down
were it my new pride and joy. *YMOV

You have to draw the line some where and those things don't help when a
tornato hits the house. *Typically most damage during a hurricane is not
caused directly by the hurricane winds rather from the debris that is flying
arouned and as swingman will attest to, rising water is the biggest threat.
Again hurricane straps don't help in that instance. *Additionally hurricanes
in this region typically spawn multiple tornatos and again the straps are
not going to do much good *against those winds and or micro bursts. *If I
lived closer to he water, I would opt for the straps.

Gotcha. *Hey, structured wiring is a great tradeoff if you're not in a
windy corridor. *Enjoy it!

load Rant Master diatribe engine
There are innumerable old houses that have withstood hurricanes just
fine, thank you very much, before the advent of the "new and improved
(now less nutritious!) code". You're buying into the insurance
lobby's efforts and scare-mongering in general. Leon had it right.
You get hit by a tornado or a serious flood, and, no matter how well
you built it, well...it was a nice house, wasn't it?

A hurricane is no great shakes unless the house was substandard and
shoddily built, which was exactly the situation with a lot of those
Florida homes that got blown up. Stapled shingles (with a lot of
missing fasteners), unbraced gable walls, and just **** construction
in general.

The insurance industry saw an opportunity to tighten their belt (which
means the noose around the homeowner's neck) and pushed to have the
code "fixed" to prevent them paying out...errr...the homeowner
sustaining a loss. Now there's this ridiculous impact code thing for
windows in areas that are hardly at risk. I'm in NY, and I've
experienced a few hurricanes, and many high winds. The old houses,
without all of the metal strapping and bull**** window code stuff,
aren't flying apart. Biggest problem are trees hitting the house.
I'm surprised that the insurance industry and the scare-mongers
haven't outlawed trees within 100' of a house!

When the big wind does come, the insurance companies are looking for
ways to not pay. They're building in new and improved ways to not
pay. You opted for the $250 window instead of the $1500 impact one?
Sorry, no dough for you! When you start adding up the cost of all of
that bull****, and the real risk of your particular home getting
blasted, it's a better move to not carry the insurance and assume the
negligible risk yourself.

Unfortunately, since they were able to get all of this nonsense
incorporated into the code, you don't have a choice if you're pulling
a permit and getting inspections. You pay _and_ you lose! How
convenient. Must be nice to drum up business by selling stuff that
isn't needed by scaring the **** out of people and buying off code
officials with dinners, vacations and hookers.
/rant

R

One word of advice...wear a GD mask right from the first climb up, rockwool
(especially) or fibreglass.


"Doug Winterburn" wrote in message
b.com...
Yes it is interesting, but what "works" works and what doesn't doesn't.

802.11n doesn't cut it at 30' line of sight either for HDTV (1080).

Works OK for SD (480i), but not 1080p.

That's why I'm trying to figure out how to get cat5e from my router
through the vaulted cielings and fire block on the interior walls. If I
could on find a skinny little guy to crawl around in the attic...

- Doug

In article ,
says...

One word of advice...wear a GD mask right from the first climb up, rockwool
(especially) or fibreglass.


"Doug Winterburn" wrote in message
b.com...
Yes it is interesting, but what "works" works and what doesn't doesn't.

802.11n doesn't cut it at 30' line of sight either for HDTV (1080).

Works OK for SD (480i), but not 1080p.

FWIW, 1080p is not a broadcast standard. Broadcast is 1080i.

That's why I'm trying to figure out how to get cat5e from my router
through the vaulted cielings and fire block on the interior walls. If I
could on find a skinny little guy to crawl around in the attic...

- Doug

On 11/5/2010 9:22 PM, RicodJour wrote:

load Rant Master diatribe engine
There are innumerable old houses that have withstood hurricanes just
fine, thank you very much, before the advent of the "new and improved
(now less nutritious!) code". You're buying into the insurance
lobby's efforts and scare-mongering in general. Leon had it right.
You get hit by a tornado or a serious flood, and, no matter how well
you built it, well...it was a nice house, wasn't it?

A hurricane is no great shakes unless the house was substandard and
shoddily built, which was exactly the situation with a lot of those
Florida homes that got blown up. Stapled shingles (with a lot of
missing fasteners), unbraced gable walls, and just **** construction
in general.

The insurance industry saw an opportunity to tighten their belt (which
means the noose around the homeowner's neck) and pushed to have the
code "fixed" to prevent them paying out...errr...the homeowner
sustaining a loss. Now there's this ridiculous impact code thing for
windows in areas that are hardly at risk. I'm in NY, and I've
experienced a few hurricanes, and many high winds. The old houses,
without all of the metal strapping and bull**** window code stuff,
aren't flying apart. Biggest problem are trees hitting the house.
I'm surprised that the insurance industry and the scare-mongers
haven't outlawed trees within 100' of a house!

When the big wind does come, the insurance companies are looking for
ways to not pay. They're building in new and improved ways to not
pay. You opted for the $250 window instead of the $1500 impact one?
Sorry, no dough for you! When you start adding up the cost of all of
that bull****, and the real risk of your particular home getting
blasted, it's a better move to not carry the insurance and assume the
negligible risk yourself.

Unfortunately, since they were able to get all of this nonsense
incorporated into the code, you don't have a choice if you're pulling
a permit and getting inspections. You pay _and_ you lose! How
convenient. Must be nice to drum up business by selling stuff that
isn't needed by scaring the **** out of people and buying off code
officials with dinners, vacations and hookers.
/rant

Welcome to the United Corporations of America, backed by a Congress
which keeps getting itself re-elected by an ignorant, easily manipulated
electorate. A land where the "right" of _everyman_ to vote will be its
eventual kiss of death.

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Swingman wrote in news:IKSdnbkx_cr4zUjRnZ2dnUVZ_u-
:

Welcome to the United Corporations of America, backed by a Congress
which keeps getting itself re-elected by an ignorant, easily manipulated
electorate. A land where the "right" of _everyman_ to vote will be its
eventual kiss of death.

Well said.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

On 11/6/2010 8:13 AM, Han wrote:
wrote in news:IKSdnbkx_cr4zUjRnZ2dnUVZ_u-
:

Welcome to the United Corporations of America, backed by a Congress
which keeps getting itself re-elected by an ignorant, easily manipulated
electorate. A land where the "right" of _everyman_ to vote will be its
eventual kiss of death.

Well said.

Basically, I've had it, Han ...

I present to you that the electorate ... voters who can knowingly send
to Congress a proven LIAR of the first magnitude; a despicable, base,
lying lawyer who cheapened, without outrage from the media or public,
the service of every combat veteran who ever served this country ...
represent a country not long in standing.

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KarlC@ (the obvious)

Swingman wrote in
:

On 11/6/2010 8:13 AM, Han wrote:
wrote in news:IKSdnbkx_cr4zUjRnZ2dnUVZ_u-
:

Welcome to the United Corporations of America, backed by a Congress
which keeps getting itself re-elected by an ignorant, easily
manipulated electorate. A land where the "right" of _everyman_ to
vote will be its eventual kiss of death.

Well said.

Basically, I've had it, Han ...

I present to you that the electorate ... voters who can knowingly send
to Congress a proven LIAR of the first magnitude; a despicable, base,
lying lawyer who cheapened, without outrage from the media or public,
the service of every combat veteran who ever served this country ...
represent a country not long in standing.

Sorry, Karl, don't know which one of the 1000 or so liars you are talking
about here. I know of one CT guy who did some such thing, but I'm not
sure how really bad his statements were. Remember, I hesitated just a
tiny bit when coming to the US in '69 because I didn't agree with the
Vietnam policies of that time.

I'm very worried about the demagoguery (spelling?) going on, on all
sides. Wish there was a regulation that would force vetting of
truthfullness BEFORE broadcasting.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

On 11/5/2010 1:18 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:

I've never seen one which wasn't tied down with thick steel to the
foundation, and most of those I've seen were steel or aluminum.

Take a look at the pictures again and you should see that the sill
plates are bolted to the foundation every 48" ...

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On Nov 6, 10:09*am, Han wrote:
Swingman wrote om:



On 11/6/2010 8:13 AM, Han wrote:
*wrote in news:IKSdnbkx_cr4zUjRnZ2dnUVZ_u-
:

Welcome to the United Corporations of America, backed by a Congress
which keeps getting itself re-elected by an ignorant, easily
manipulated electorate. A land where the "right" of _everyman_ to
vote will be its eventual kiss of death.

Well said.

Basically, I've had it, Han ...

I present to you that the electorate ... voters who can knowingly send
to Congress a proven LIAR of the first magnitude; a despicable, base,
lying lawyer who cheapened, without outrage from the media or public,
the service of every combat veteran who ever served this country ...
represent a country not long in standing.

Sorry, Karl, don't know which one of the 1000 or so liars you are talking
about here. *I know of one CT guy who did some such thing, but I'm not
sure how really bad his statements were. *Remember, I hesitated just a
tiny bit when coming to the US in '69 because I didn't agree with the
Vietnam policies of that time.

I'm very worried about the demagoguery (spelling?) going on, on all
sides. *Wish there was a regulation that would force vetting of
truthfullness BEFORE broadcasting.

Let's be honest - truth is subjective. I don't care about where
someone puts their penis, whether they have one, or even if they are
one, as long as they can work with people and get the job done.

As a project manager once said to the room full of us, "We have to get
this stuff done and get the CO. Make the decisions, get it done,
we'll give you your beatings later."

R

On 11/6/2010 9:09 AM, Han wrote:

Sorry, Karl, don't know which one of the 1000 or so liars you are talking
about here. I know of one CT guy who did some such thing, but I'm not
sure how really bad his statements were. Remember, I hesitated just a
tiny bit when coming to the US in '69 because I didn't agree with the
Vietnam policies of that time.

Not the point, Han ... makes no difference which period of history, that
those who will condescend to outright lie to your face don't make good
representatives is inarguable, to knowingly ignore that fact is despicable.

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KarlC@ (the obvious)

Han wrote the following:
Swingman wrote in
:


On 11/6/2010 8:13 AM, Han wrote:

wrote in news:IKSdnbkx_cr4zUjRnZ2dnUVZ_u-
:


Welcome to the United Corporations of America, backed by a Congress
which keeps getting itself re-elected by an ignorant, easily
manipulated electorate. A land where the "right" of _everyman_ to
vote will be its eventual kiss of death.

Well said.

Basically, I've had it, Han ...

I present to you that the electorate ... voters who can knowingly send
to Congress a proven LIAR of the first magnitude; a despicable, base,
lying lawyer who cheapened, without outrage from the media or public,
the service of every combat veteran who ever served this country ...
represent a country not long in standing.


Sorry, Karl, don't know which one of the 1000 or so liars you are talking
about here. I know of one CT guy who did some such thing, but I'm not
sure how really bad his statements were. Remember, I hesitated just a
tiny bit when coming to the US in '69 because I didn't agree with the
Vietnam policies of that time.

I'm very worried about the demagoguery (spelling?) going on, on all
sides. Wish there was a regulation that would force vetting of
truthfullness BEFORE broadcasting.

We only have truth in advertising, and they don't even enforce that.

--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

"RicodJour" wrote
On 11/6/2010 8:13 AM, Han wrote:
wrote in news:IKSdnbkx_cr4zUjRnZ2dnUVZ_u-
:

Welcome to the United Corporations of America, backed by a Congress
which keeps getting itself re-elected by an ignorant, easily
manipulated electorate. A land where the "right" of _everyman_ to
vote will be its eventual kiss of death.

Well said.

Basically, I've had it, Han ...

I present to you that the electorate ... voters who can knowingly send
to Congress a proven LIAR of the first magnitude; a despicable, base,
lying lawyer who cheapened, without outrage from the media or public,
the service of every combat veteran who ever served this country ...
represent a country not long in standing.

Sorry, Karl, don't know which one of the 1000 or so liars you are talking
about here. I know of one CT guy who did some such thing, but I'm not
sure how really bad his statements were. Remember, I hesitated just a
tiny bit when coming to the US in '69 because I didn't agree with the
Vietnam policies of that time.

Let's be honest - truth is subjective. I don't care about where
someone puts their penis, whether they have one, or even if they are
one, as long as they can work with people and get the job done.

As a project manager once said to the room full of us, "We have to get
this stuff done and get the CO. Make the decisions, get it done,
we'll give you your beatings later."

R

Northing subjective about a lie. It is or it isn't.
But a liar is still scum and cannot be trusted. Han is talking about our
AG soon to be Senator. If he can lie about serving in Vietnam when he did
not, he can lie about other things. Do you want him making decisions that
affect your life and the rest of the country? Sorry, I'll never believe a
word he says and will never trust him.

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in
:

Northing subjective about a lie. It is or it isn't.
But a liar is still scum and cannot be trusted. Han is talking about
our AG soon to be Senator. If he can lie about serving in Vietnam when
he did not, he can lie about other things. Do you want him making
decisions that affect your life and the rest of the country? Sorry,
I'll never believe a word he says and will never trust him.


I agree completely, Ed. But this was (for you CTers) a choice between 2
bad candidates. I would have hated this woman to be the Senator. But it
is your choice ...

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

Swingman wrote in
:

On 11/6/2010 9:09 AM, Han wrote:

Sorry, Karl, don't know which one of the 1000 or so liars you are
talking about here. I know of one CT guy who did some such thing,
but I'm not sure how really bad his statements were. Remember, I
hesitated just a tiny bit when coming to the US in '69 because I
didn't agree with the Vietnam policies of that time.

Not the point, Han ... makes no difference which period of history,
that those who will condescend to outright lie to your face don't make
good representatives is inarguable, to knowingly ignore that fact is
despicable.

Yep, but this McMahon was a worse choice IMO. Glad I didn't have to make
the choice ...

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

On 11/6/2010 10:04 AM, Han wrote:
wrote in
:

On 11/6/2010 9:09 AM, Han wrote:

Sorry, Karl, don't know which one of the 1000 or so liars you are
talking about here. I know of one CT guy who did some such thing,
but I'm not sure how really bad his statements were. Remember, I
hesitated just a tiny bit when coming to the US in '69 because I
didn't agree with the Vietnam policies of that time.

Not the point, Han ... makes no difference which period of history,
that those who will condescend to outright lie to your face don't make
good representatives is inarguable, to knowingly ignore that fact is
despicable.

Yep, but this McMahon was a worse choice IMO. Glad I didn't have to make
the choice ...

Simply proves my original point ... an informed electorate, with skin in
the game other than lip service to a "sacred cow" concept, would have
not been put in that position.

Throughout human history it has been these 'sacred cows' that have
wreaked havoc on man's attempt to govern himself.

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