On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 15:00:06 -0400, Bill
wrote:

On 10/28/2010 2:17 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:

I had a duplex pointing down from the ceiling, and there was a quad
box on top (filled with insulation, unfinished attic) to which I added
outlets. I knocked holes in the sheetrock and pulled the plugs for the
lights through, then sealed the holes. If I had it to do over, I'd
have added that quad beneath, facing the shop, and let the fixture
wiring show. Replacement would have been much easier in the future.

It's nice to get the benefit of the voice of experience.

The only thing that makes me hesitate is my finished ceiling. If I
install duplex outlets in the ceiling, they will necessarily be "cut in
box" variety that attach to the drywall, and I can see myself replacing
the ceiling within the next 10 years. I'll have to wait for the dust to
settle and see what I think.

HEY, DIDN'T YOU JUST LEARN TO DO DRYWALL? Ya wuss. g


A few minutes ago, I was thinking,
excitedly, gosh I'm going to have Lights AND Electric. : ) Reminds me
of the kind of thinking that must have taken place in the early part of
the 20th century.

Yer a newfangled thinker, Biyull.



Maybe I'll even have Plumbing someday! ; )

Right you are, Bill. A 10' section of 2" ABS will drain 90% of your
problems away into the yard at a very low cost!

--
Most people assume the fights are going to be the left versus the right,
but it always is the reasonable versus the jerks.
-- Jimmy Wales

Larry Jaques wrote:
On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 15:00:06 -0400,
wrote:

On 10/28/2010 2:17 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:

I had a duplex pointing down from the ceiling, and there was a quad
box on top (filled with insulation, unfinished attic) to which I added
outlets. I knocked holes in the sheetrock and pulled the plugs for the
lights through, then sealed the holes. If I had it to do over, I'd
have added that quad beneath, facing the shop, and let the fixture
wiring show. Replacement would have been much easier in the future.

It's nice to get the benefit of the voice of experience.

The only thing that makes me hesitate is my finished ceiling. If I
install duplex outlets in the ceiling, they will necessarily be "cut in
box" variety that attach to the drywall, and I can see myself replacing
the ceiling within the next 10 years. I'll have to wait for the dust to
settle and see what I think.

HEY, DIDN'T YOU JUST LEARN TO DO DRYWALL? Ya wuss.g

Just a 16 or 24 inch section, for each outlet, huh? Except for the
mudding part, at least this is something I could do during the cooler
temps (dipping to the low 30's here recently). FrozenNorth's idea of
using armored cable was interesting too. I think I need to take some
more measurements and choose my fixtures before I decide.

Thanks,
Bill

Lew Hodgett wrote:

1 luminaire for every 35 sq ft will give you 71 FC maintained with a
20% dirt depreciation allowance.

You just got a free lighting design, enjoy it.

Lew

When you first wrote that I thought 1 luminaire was a 4' bulb.
Now I think you mean(t) 1 luminaire is a fixture with two 4' (32w)
bulbs. Starting to feel like I'm making more out of this than there is,
but I don't want to be disappointed when I flip that switch.

%)

Bill

On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 01:24:37 -0400, Bill wrote:

Lew Hodgett wrote:

1 luminaire for every 35 sq ft will give you 71 FC maintained with a
20% dirt depreciation allowance.

You just got a free lighting design, enjoy it.

Lew

When you first wrote that I thought 1 luminaire was a 4' bulb.
Now I think you mean(t) 1 luminaire is a fixture with two 4' (32w)
bulbs. Starting to feel like I'm making more out of this than there is,
but I don't want to be disappointed when I flip that switch.

If you go with Lew's recommendation, I hope you put alternate fixtures
on a separate switch. That way you can have nice lighting or GAWD
THAT'S BRIGHT! at the flip of an extra switch.

If you have 5 rows, put rows 2 and 4 on the second switch.

But task lighting (for those little 'gotta be bright' tasks) is much
cheaper and easier in both the short and long runs, and both in
initial cost and electrical cost. YMMV

--
Most people assume the fights are going to be the left versus the right,
but it always is the reasonable versus the jerks.
-- Jimmy Wales

On 10/29/2010 9:33 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 01:24:37 -0400, wrote:

Lew Hodgett wrote:

1 luminaire for every 35 sq ft will give you 71 FC maintained with a
20% dirt depreciation allowance.

You just got a free lighting design, enjoy it.

Lew

When you first wrote that I thought 1 luminaire was a 4' bulb.
Now I think you mean(t) 1 luminaire is a fixture with two 4' (32w)
bulbs. Starting to feel like I'm making more out of this than there is,
but I don't want to be disappointed when I flip that switch.

If you go with Lew's recommendation, I hope you put alternate fixtures
on a separate switch. That way you can have nice lighting or GAWD
THAT'S BRIGHT! at the flip of an extra switch.

If you have 5 rows, put rows 2 and 4 on the second switch.

I already (this summer) installed a single wall switch for all of the
fixtures and run wire to and around the attic. It would be nice if
each fixture had a pull-chain switch so I could be energy efficient in
my general use of lighting. I learned alot about fluorescent bulbs, and
how important reflection is this week (both in the walls and ceiling,
and in the fixtures).

Thanks,
Bill

On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 10:56:53 -0400, Bill
wrote:

On 10/29/2010 9:33 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 01:24:37 -0400, wrote:

Lew Hodgett wrote:

1 luminaire for every 35 sq ft will give you 71 FC maintained with a
20% dirt depreciation allowance.

You just got a free lighting design, enjoy it.

Lew

When you first wrote that I thought 1 luminaire was a 4' bulb.
Now I think you mean(t) 1 luminaire is a fixture with two 4' (32w)
bulbs. Starting to feel like I'm making more out of this than there is,
but I don't want to be disappointed when I flip that switch.

If you go with Lew's recommendation, I hope you put alternate fixtures
on a separate switch. That way you can have nice lighting or GAWD
THAT'S BRIGHT! at the flip of an extra switch.

If you have 5 rows, put rows 2 and 4 on the second switch.

I already (this summer) installed a single wall switch for all of the
fixtures and run wire to and around the attic.

It wouldn't be hard to add another switch and reroute the wiring,
would it? One Saturday morning would do it.


It would be nice if
each fixture had a pull-chain switch so I could be energy efficient in
my general use of lighting.

How often would you like to do that? Wouldn't a switch be nicer?
One feed, two strings of lights, not a problem.

Another problem you might find is that many good manufacturers don't
put pull-chains in their fixtures.


I learned alot about fluorescent bulbs, and
how important reflection is this week (both in the walls and ceiling,
and in the fixtures).

That's why I went with pure white paint, and did the ceiling and floor
white, too. It makes a significant difference.

Now, the floor is covered with both sawdust and too much STUFF to even
be seen. sigh

--
Most people assume the fights are going to be the left versus the right,
but it always is the reasonable versus the jerks.
-- Jimmy Wales

On 10/29/2010 11:34 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 10:56:53 -0400,
wrote:

On 10/29/2010 9:33 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 01:24:37 -0400, wrote:

Lew Hodgett wrote:

1 luminaire for every 35 sq ft will give you 71 FC maintained with a
20% dirt depreciation allowance.

You just got a free lighting design, enjoy it.

Lew

When you first wrote that I thought 1 luminaire was a 4' bulb.
Now I think you mean(t) 1 luminaire is a fixture with two 4' (32w)
bulbs. Starting to feel like I'm making more out of this than there is,
but I don't want to be disappointed when I flip that switch.

If you go with Lew's recommendation, I hope you put alternate fixtures
on a separate switch. That way you can have nice lighting or GAWD
THAT'S BRIGHT! at the flip of an extra switch.

If you have 5 rows, put rows 2 and 4 on the second switch.

I already (this summer) installed a single wall switch for all of the
fixtures and run wire to and around the attic.

It wouldn't be hard to add another switch and reroute the wiring,
would it? One Saturday morning would do it.

HA, HA, HA!!! You tear me up!




It would be nice if
each fixture had a pull-chain switch so I could be energy efficient in
my general use of lighting.

How often would you like to do that? Wouldn't a switch be nicer?
One feed, two strings of lights, not a problem.

Yeah, not a problem for you! Actually, I have 2 other fluorescent
fixtures powered by my main-panel, rather than my sub-panel, which I
regard as my back-up system. I would do what you suggested except it
would confuse my wife... I'm not sure I could even field the question:
why are there two more light switches on the wall?


Another problem you might find is that many good manufacturers don't
put pull-chains in their fixtures.

That's good info to know. No switches, in general, huh?

Happy Friday,
Bill

On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:22:46 -0400, Bill
wrote:

On 10/29/2010 11:34 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 10:56:53 -0400,
wrote:

On 10/29/2010 9:33 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 01:24:37 -0400, wrote:

Lew Hodgett wrote:

1 luminaire for every 35 sq ft will give you 71 FC maintained with a
20% dirt depreciation allowance.

You just got a free lighting design, enjoy it.

Lew

When you first wrote that I thought 1 luminaire was a 4' bulb.
Now I think you mean(t) 1 luminaire is a fixture with two 4' (32w)
bulbs. Starting to feel like I'm making more out of this than there is,
but I don't want to be disappointed when I flip that switch.

If you go with Lew's recommendation, I hope you put alternate fixtures
on a separate switch. That way you can have nice lighting or GAWD
THAT'S BRIGHT! at the flip of an extra switch.

If you have 5 rows, put rows 2 and 4 on the second switch.

I already (this summer) installed a single wall switch for all of the
fixtures and run wire to and around the attic.

It wouldn't be hard to add another switch and reroute the wiring,
would it? One Saturday morning would do it.

HA, HA, HA!!! You tear me up!

Hmm, and here I was being serious for once. shrug


It would be nice if
each fixture had a pull-chain switch so I could be energy efficient in
my general use of lighting.

How often would you like to do that? Wouldn't a switch be nicer?
One feed, two strings of lights, not a problem.

Yeah, not a problem for you!

Two runs of Romex are too much for you, Bill? sigh


Actually, I have 2 other fluorescent
fixtures powered by my main-panel, rather than my sub-panel, which I
regard as my back-up system. I would do what you suggested except it
would confuse my wife... I'm not sure I could even field the question:
why are there two more light switches on the wall?

A simple "Try each one and see what it does." is too much to ask, eh?
Then the "I switch one on for normal use and both for 'OMIGOD, I'm
gonna go blind!' lighting. Here are your sunglasses." Do that only
after you've built the sunglass case on the wall into the shop.



Another problem you might find is that many good manufacturers don't
put pull-chains in their fixtures.

That's good info to know. No switches, in general, huh?

Right. Just as the cheaper shop lights usually come with plugged
cords.


Happy Friday,

Enjoy your feckless and fun-filled Friday, sir.


--
Ask not what the world needs. Ask what makes you come
alive... then go do it. Because what the world needs
is people who have come alive. -- Howard Thurman

On 10/29/2010 1:53 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:

Yeah, not a problem for you!

Two runs of Romex are too much for you, Bill?sigh


I enjoy almost everything about running Romex. I almost live for it.
It's the thoughts of ripping up and replacing my new drywall that makes
my eyes wet--all the more so because it's too cool outside to do the
drywall mudding... I assume you are just teasing about that.

Bill

On 10/29/2010 1:53 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:

It would be nice if
each fixture had a pull-chain switch so I could be energy efficient in
my general use of lighting.

How often would you like to do that? Wouldn't a switch be nicer?
One feed, two strings of lights, not a problem.

Yeah, not a problem for you!

Two runs of Romex are too much for you, Bill?sigh


Surely with 4 fixtures you would want 4 switches, no? Or possibly
1/2*2^4=8 switches if you just wanted to flip one switch to turn some of
the lights on and off. Too much?

Bill

On 10/29/2010 2:28 PM, Bill wrote:
On 10/29/2010 1:53 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:

It would be nice if
each fixture had a pull-chain switch so I could be energy efficient in
my general use of lighting.

How often would you like to do that? Wouldn't a switch be nicer?
One feed, two strings of lights, not a problem.

Yeah, not a problem for you!

Two runs of Romex are too much for you, Bill?sigh


Surely with 4 fixtures you would want 4 switches, no? Or possibly
1/2*2^4=8 switches if you just wanted to flip one switch to turn some of
the lights on and off. Too much?

Bill

My bad, 16 switches!

On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 14:18:08 -0400, Bill
wrote:

On 10/29/2010 1:53 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:

Yeah, not a problem for you!

Two runs of Romex are too much for you, Bill?sigh


I enjoy almost everything about running Romex. I almost live for it.
It's the thoughts of ripping up and replacing my new drywall that makes
my eyes wet--all the more so because it's too cool outside to do the
drywall mudding... I assume you are just teasing about that.

In that case, I'd run conduit between the lights and hook 'em up
through one small hole in your new drywall at the switched end, to get
the new pair from the switches up to the ceiling.

WAITAMINUTEHERE. If you didn't yet know how many light fixtures you
wanted on the ceiling, how could you run wiring at all?

--
Ask not what the world needs. Ask what makes you come
alive... then go do it. Because what the world needs
is people who have come alive. -- Howard Thurman

On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 14:28:38 -0400, Bill
wrote:

On 10/29/2010 1:53 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:

It would be nice if
each fixture had a pull-chain switch so I could be energy efficient in
my general use of lighting.

How often would you like to do that? Wouldn't a switch be nicer?
One feed, two strings of lights, not a problem.

Yeah, not a problem for you!

Two runs of Romex are too much for you, Bill?sigh


Surely with 4 fixtures you would want 4 switches, no? Or possibly
1/2*2^4=8 switches if you just wanted to flip one switch to turn some of
the lights on and off. Too much?

Kin ewe say "anal", Bill? Yes, too much.

It works well to run banks of lights if you need a gazillion extra
lumens on certain work 1% of the time. I guess Lew likes brightly lit
docks so he can see even if he's down in the bilge, eh?

Most office buildings have switched diminished lighting which is good
enough for the cleaning crew to work with, or to continue heating the
building at night. This was true almost every place I worked before I
started my own business.

--
Ask not what the world needs. Ask what makes you come
alive... then go do it. Because what the world needs
is people who have come alive. -- Howard Thurman

Larry Jaques wrote:

WAITAMINUTEHERE. If you didn't yet know how many light fixtures you
wanted on the ceiling, how could you run wiring at all?


Well, from my new but currently unactivated sub-panel, I have installed
a 15 amp circuit breaker and 12-2 Romex to a new wall switch, and from
there 12-2 Romex up into the attic where at least 30' of it is now
sitting in a neat coil. From there it will easily thread around the
perimeter of the attic where other romex cables currently also live.
This route also traverses my new running board but allow me to keep my
story simple.

Installing 2, or possibly 3, duplex outlets on this perimeter of the
attic would make it easy to power 4 new fixtures.

In answer to your question, I think I'm prepared to install almost as
many light fixtures as I want, as long as their cords are not further
than 5 feet from my walls.

I need to take accurate measurements of some details so I can "commit"
to a diagram, then I may be almost good to do.

I went to Lowes today, and they had lots of fixtures, but not many like
I wanted, and I couldn't tell the features they had (only one with an
"enclosure"/reflector for instance). Perhaps all of the fixtures were of
the same brand. I stood there for 15 minutes to see if someone would
offer to help me, but they didn't, and I left thinking it probably
wasn't a quality brand anyway. They did have a stack of 4' 2-bulb T-12
fixtures on sale for 9.97--of the same brand too! Putting two and two
together, it made me wonder how good any of those fixtures is.

Bill

On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 21:51:01 -0400, Bill wrote:

Larry Jaques wrote:

WAITAMINUTEHERE. If you didn't yet know how many light fixtures you
wanted on the ceiling, how could you run wiring at all?


Well, from my new but currently unactivated sub-panel, I have installed
a 15 amp circuit breaker and 12-2 Romex to a new wall switch, and from

Why only 15?


there 12-2 Romex up into the attic where at least 30' of it is now
sitting in a neat coil. From there it will easily thread around the
perimeter of the attic where other romex cables currently also live.
This route also traverses my new running board but allow me to keep my
story simple.




Installing 2, or possibly 3, duplex outlets on this perimeter of the
attic would make it easy to power 4 new fixtures.

In answer to your question, I think I'm prepared to install almost as
many light fixtures as I want, as long as their cords are not further
than 5 feet from my walls.

Are your rafters running the short length, door to the benches? If
so, run a piece of romex down into the space and install a quad outlet
for every row, centered in the ceiling. Plug 3 fixtures into each one
and have a spare for extension cord drops to the center of the shop.
(I use the hell out of my duplex outlet that way. Running to a power
strip, I have the little HF drill press, my Shop Fox mortiser, and the
Delta 1" belt/6" disk sander plugged into it.) Choose how you power
them (should you wish to go to a second circuit.


I need to take accurate measurements of some details so I can "commit"
to a diagram, then I may be almost good to do.

Butcha just can't commit, can ya? Bwahahahahaha!


I went to Lowes today, and they had lots of fixtures, but not many like
I wanted, and I couldn't tell the features they had (only one with an
"enclosure"/reflector for instance). Perhaps all of the fixtures were of
the same brand. I stood there for 15 minutes to see if someone would
offer to help me, but they didn't, and I left thinking it probably
wasn't a quality brand anyway. They did have a stack of 4' 2-bulb T-12
fixtures on sale for 9.97--of the same brand too! Putting two and two
together, it made me wonder how good any of those fixtures is.

RUN AWAY! In what city do yo live, again?

--
Ask not what the world needs. Ask what makes you come
alive... then go do it. Because what the world needs
is people who have come alive. -- Howard Thurman

Larry Jaques wrote:
On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 21:51:01 -0400, wrote:

Larry Jaques wrote:

WAITAMINUTEHERE. If you didn't yet know how many light fixtures you
wanted on the ceiling, how could you run wiring at all?


Well, from my new but currently unactivated sub-panel, I have installed
a 15 amp circuit breaker and 12-2 Romex to a new wall switch, and from

Why only 15?


Well, because it was a lighting circuit? I've seen I can switch a
C'Breaker in less time than it takes to get the cover off the panel, so
this is not a big deal.

thoughtful I idea snipped


I need to take accurate measurements of some details so I can "commit"
to a diagram, then I may be almost good to do.

Butcha just can't commit, can ya? Bwahahahahaha!

Actually, I'm in a hurry to commit so I can start installing lights!
(We) Made a lot of progress in that direction this week.



I went to Lowes today, and they had lots of fixtures, but not many like
I wanted, and I couldn't tell the features they had (only one with an
"enclosure"/reflector for instance). Perhaps all of the fixtures were of
the same brand. I stood there for 15 minutes to see if someone would
offer to help me, but they didn't, and I left thinking it probably
wasn't a quality brand anyway. They did have a stack of 4' 2-bulb T-12
fixtures on sale for 9.97--of the same brand too! Putting two and two
together, it made me wonder how good any of those fixtures is.

RUN AWAY! In what city do yo live, again?

Thanks for the warning. I was hoping someone would advise me one way or
the other. It could have been the "bargain of the month" and I didn't
know it.... I live close to Indianapolis, how about you?

Bill

Bill wrote in :

Larry Jaques wrote:
On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 21:51:01 -0400, wrote:



I went to Lowes today, and they had lots of fixtures, but not many
like I wanted, and I couldn't tell the features they had (only one
with an "enclosure"/reflector for instance). Perhaps all of the
fixtures were of the same brand. I stood there for 15 minutes to see
if someone would offer to help me, but they didn't, and I left
thinking it probably wasn't a quality brand anyway. They did have a
stack of 4' 2-bulb T-12 fixtures on sale for 9.97--of the same brand
too! Putting two and two together, it made me wonder how good any
of those fixtures is.

RUN AWAY! In what city do yo live, again?

Thanks for the warning. I was hoping someone would advise me one way
or the other. It could have been the "bargain of the month" and I
didn't know it.... I live close to Indianapolis, how about you?

Bill


I picked up some of the $10 fixtures from Lowes some time ago. They're
just ok... until I turn the CMS on. Then they blink off and on and
become a sudden distraction. As a result, they don't get used very
often... Too bad, I like the extra light.

One of these days, I'll run a new circuit for those lights and a switch
on the wall. It's not a big enough hassle to be high on the project
list.

Puckdropper
--
Never teach your apprentice everything you know.

On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 14:03:33 -0400, Bill wrote:

Larry Jaques wrote:
On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 21:51:01 -0400, wrote:

Larry Jaques wrote:

WAITAMINUTEHERE. If you didn't yet know how many light fixtures you
wanted on the ceiling, how could you run wiring at all?


Well, from my new but currently unactivated sub-panel, I have installed
a 15 amp circuit breaker and 12-2 Romex to a new wall switch, and from

Why only 15?


Well, because it was a lighting circuit? I've seen I can switch a
C'Breaker in less time than it takes to get the cover off the panel, so
this is not a big deal.

As long as you have the wiring for it, which 12ga is.


thoughtful I idea snipped


I need to take accurate measurements of some details so I can "commit"
to a diagram, then I may be almost good to do.

Butcha just can't commit, can ya? Bwahahahahaha!

Actually, I'm in a hurry to commit so I can start installing lights!
(We) Made a lot of progress in that direction this week.

You and your wallet, or the woman with the whip? gd&r


I went to Lowes today, and they had lots of fixtures, but not many like
I wanted, and I couldn't tell the features they had (only one with an
"enclosure"/reflector for instance). Perhaps all of the fixtures were of
the same brand. I stood there for 15 minutes to see if someone would
offer to help me, but they didn't, and I left thinking it probably
wasn't a quality brand anyway. They did have a stack of 4' 2-bulb T-12
fixtures on sale for 9.97--of the same brand too! Putting two and two
together, it made me wonder how good any of those fixtures is.

RUN AWAY! In what city do yo live, again?

Thanks for the warning. I was hoping someone would advise me one way or
the other. It could have been the "bargain of the month" and I didn't
know it.... I live close to Indianapolis, how about you?

Grants Pass, OR.

http://www.google.com/search?q=elect...y+indianapolis should
help you find your way, lost lamb.

--
Small opportunities are often the beginning of great enterprises.
-- Demosthenes

Larry Jaques wrote:
On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 14:03:33 -0400, wrote:

Larry Jaques wrote:
On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 21:51:01 -0400, wrote:

Larry Jaques wrote:

WAITAMINUTEHERE. If you didn't yet know how many light fixtures you
wanted on the ceiling, how could you run wiring at all?


Well, from my new but currently unactivated sub-panel, I have installed
a 15 amp circuit breaker and 12-2 Romex to a new wall switch, and from

Why only 15?


Well, because it was a lighting circuit? I've seen I can switch a
C'Breaker in less time than it takes to get the cover off the panel, so
this is not a big deal.

As long as you have the wiring for it, which 12ga is.

This summer, I bought 250' of 12-2 and 250' of 10-2. I was not in short
supply of either. However what I ended up using was much more than I
guessed I needed, so this ended up being a good purchase. I'd advise
anyone sizing up his or her requirements to do the same.

On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 20:56:58 -0400, Bill wrote:

Larry Jaques wrote:
On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 14:03:33 -0400, wrote:

Larry Jaques wrote:
On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 21:51:01 -0400, wrote:

Larry Jaques wrote:

WAITAMINUTEHERE. If you didn't yet know how many light fixtures you
wanted on the ceiling, how could you run wiring at all?


Well, from my new but currently unactivated sub-panel, I have installed
a 15 amp circuit breaker and 12-2 Romex to a new wall switch, and from

Why only 15?


Well, because it was a lighting circuit? I've seen I can switch a
C'Breaker in less time than it takes to get the cover off the panel, so
this is not a big deal.

As long as you have the wiring for it, which 12ga is.

This summer, I bought 250' of 12-2 and 250' of 10-2. I was not in short
supply of either. However what I ended up using was much more than I
guessed I needed, so this ended up being a good purchase. I'd advise
anyone sizing up his or her requirements to do the same.

Yeah, I got a 250' box of 12-2 for ten bucks (on sale from $20) when I
moved up here. Most of it's gone after running attic lights (miniscule
attic area) and 240v for my shop tools.

--
Small opportunities are often the beginning of great enterprises.
-- Demosthenes

Larry Jaques wrote:
On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 20:56:58 -0400, wrote:

Larry Jaques wrote:
On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 14:03:33 -0400, wrote:

Larry Jaques wrote:
On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 21:51:01 -0400, wrote:

Larry Jaques wrote:

WAITAMINUTEHERE. If you didn't yet know how many light fixtures you
wanted on the ceiling, how could you run wiring at all?


Well, from my new but currently unactivated sub-panel, I have installed
a 15 amp circuit breaker and 12-2 Romex to a new wall switch, and from

Why only 15?


Well, because it was a lighting circuit? I've seen I can switch a
C'Breaker in less time than it takes to get the cover off the panel, so
this is not a big deal.

As long as you have the wiring for it, which 12ga is.

This summer, I bought 250' of 12-2 and 250' of 10-2. I was not in short
supply of either. However what I ended up using was much more than I
guessed I needed, so this ended up being a good purchase. I'd advise
anyone sizing up his or her requirements to do the same.

Yeah, I got a 250' box of 12-2 for ten bucks (on sale from $20) when I
moved up here. Most of it's gone after running attic lights (miniscule
attic area) and 240v for my shop tools.



While I was reading reviews a few minutes ago, I read where someone
installed lights above where their garage door sits atop (that one might
do this had not occurred to me). That just goes to show that you don't
have to do everything on the first pass. Lots of good ideas are offered
around here. BTW, you got a VGD on your romex. Evidently, yours even
came with box! ; )

Bill

On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 21:44:42 -0400, Bill wrote:

Larry Jaques wrote:
On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 20:56:58 -0400, wrote:

Yeah, I got a 250' box of 12-2 for ten bucks (on sale from $20) when I
moved up here. Most of it's gone after running attic lights (miniscule
attic area) and 240v for my shop tools.

While I was reading reviews a few minutes ago, I read where someone
installed lights above where their garage door sits atop (that one might
do this had not occurred to me). That just goes to show that you don't
have to do everything on the first pass. Lots of good ideas are offered
around here. BTW, you got a VGD on your romex.

Yeah, I got it on sale and before the extraordinary rise in copper
wire prices. I think they're $60 now.


Evidently, yours even came with box! ; )

Yeah, a box with a hole in the center where you could snake out curly
wire. If you didn't rotate it while pulling, you ended up with a kink
every 6' or so. DAMHIKT

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