I know some of you old guys have arthritis. I don't consider
myself old yet, but I've got it too. Diagnosed in the spine, years ago
(and, of course, they can't tell what type). Also got bad joints, but
they always claim they can't find anything wrong with any of them. If
they didn't always run the same test everytime, they might find
something.

Anyway, for a long time, I've not been able to lift my arms up very
high, straight out, or even straight up, and alway painful to even try.
Today the kid's pups were trying to kill each other. By the way, got a
deal for anyone - buy one pup, get 10 free. Go out, in stocking feet,
to sort it out. Electric fence, suitable for cattle. Unhook the top
wire so I can get in, bad hips too. So, sort it out, all the pups want
to be petted. Sort of like being nibbled to death by baby ducks.
Getting ready to leave, notice the top wire came loose. Use my
handkerchief to pick it up and fasten it back. Wind up getting about 4
shocks. Finally got it hooked up, then back over the fence, and re-hook
the top strand.

Get back in the house, and notice the right shoulder isn't
bothering me. Check it out, and find out it has more mobility than it's
had in probly 10 years. Pain-free. I'd gotten a shock with the left
hand some weeks ago, and noticed the same thing, but had just figured it
was nothing. Who knows? I may have made a medical breakthru here. I'm
almost tempted to go out and purposly shock my left hand, almost. But,
I'm sensitive to electric shock, and don't think so, not on purpose.
Reason I unhooked the finse in the first place, I've got bad hips, and
last time I went over the fence, screwed up, and got one leg between the
wires. That's one way to really wake up.

Anyone else here had similar experiences?

It's funny as Hell, to go outside, and see a small herd of pups run
up to the corner of the fence, then sit down, in a V shaped line, almost
exactly a foot from the fence.

JOAT
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are as unqualified as some of the men who are already there.
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"J T" wrote in message
...
I know some of you old guys have arthritis. I don't consider
myself old yet, but I've got it too. Diagnosed in the spine, years ago
(and, of course, they can't tell what type). Also got bad joints, but
they always claim they can't find anything wrong with any of them. If
they didn't always run the same test everytime, they might find
something.

Anyway, for a long time, I've not been able to lift my arms up very
high, straight out, or even straight up, and alway painful to even try.
Today the kid's pups were trying to kill each other. By the way, got a
deal for anyone - buy one pup, get 10 free. Go out, in stocking feet,
to sort it out. Electric fence, suitable for cattle. Unhook the top
wire so I can get in, bad hips too. So, sort it out, all the pups want
to be petted. Sort of like being nibbled to death by baby ducks.
Getting ready to leave, notice the top wire came loose. Use my
handkerchief to pick it up and fasten it back. Wind up getting about 4
shocks. Finally got it hooked up, then back over the fence, and re-hook
the top strand.

Get back in the house, and notice the right shoulder isn't
bothering me. Check it out, and find out it has more mobility than it's
had in probly 10 years. Pain-free. I'd gotten a shock with the left
hand some weeks ago, and noticed the same thing, but had just figured it
was nothing. Who knows? I may have made a medical breakthru here. I'm
almost tempted to go out and purposly shock my left hand, almost. But,
I'm sensitive to electric shock, and don't think so, not on purpose.
Reason I unhooked the finse in the first place, I've got bad hips, and
last time I went over the fence, screwed up, and got one leg between the
wires. That's one way to really wake up.

Anyone else here had similar experiences?

It's funny as Hell, to go outside, and see a small herd of pups run
up to the corner of the fence, then sit down, in a V shaped line, almost
exactly a foot from the fence.

Hey, maybe you've got something JOAT! I've read about everything from people
rubbing WD40 into the bad joints to taking "bee sting" trherapy. Who knows?

It's obvious the pups know what that "zap" is all about. I've seen dairy
cows with a single wire electric fence about 30" high get right down on
their knees and crop just as far as they could stretch their nack under that
wire without touching it.

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safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside,
thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, 'WOW! What A
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Who knows? I may have made a medical breakthru here.

I think that is what these tinge units are all about. Now to take care of
those hips heres what you do: After a couple of beers, as soon as the urge
hits ya, head on out to the fence to take a wiz. That ought to take care of
both hips at the same time.

My dad says the same thing about the electric fence, he goes out and grabs
it every once in a while to help his aches and pains.

KY

"J T" wrote:

I know some of you old guys have arthritis. I don't consider
myself old yet, but I've got it too.

snippage

Wind up getting about 4 shocks. Finally got it hooked up, then back over
the fence, and re-hook the top strand. Get back in the house, and notice
the right shoulder isn't
bothering me. Check it out, and find out it has more mobility than it's
had in probly 10 years. Pain-free.

I have NO idea if these shocks would even come close to what TENS specs are
in terms of milliamperage / wave form / cycles per second / pulse rate /
pulse duration etc., etc., but there MIGHT be an explanation for what you
experienced. Some (but not all) people get a degree of relief from chronic
pain by using Transcutaneous Electrical Nerve Stimulation (TENS). TENS units
are widely used in the field of physical medicine / physical therapy /
chiropractic. Perhaps you should consult your physician(s) about this.

You can get more info on TENS units on sites such as:
http://www.compextechnologies.com/cervical.html

J T wrote:
Reason I unhooked the finse in the first place, I've got bad hips, and
last time I went over the fence, screwed up, and got one leg between the
wires. That's one way to really wake up.
Anyone else here had similar experiences?

I found an electric fence by peeing one time. Talk about waking
you up. That'll bring you to your knees.

The TENS (Transcutaneous Electrical Nerve Stimulation) units KH is
talking about work by exciting the nreves to create what is called
a gate effect. If the nreves are excited enough the pain impulses
don't get through, kind of like white noise drowning out other
noises. They aren't ANYTHING like the jolt you get off an
electric fence.

Dave in Fairfax
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JOAT is so full of ****ing crap. He is an old geezer with not much left in him. Would
anyone really care if he became inflicted with severe, constant pain in his entire
body? Not me. I would laugh by Goddamn balls off.

Medtronic is a maker of a unit similar to the TENS unit but it is a direct
implant. I had one for a number of years and they can relieve a lot of pain.
They are also adjustable so that as the pain increases, you can adjust the
voltage up. You can also turn them on and off with a magnet, the control
unit is typically placed in your hip at the beltline. A separate unit
programs the controller for the desired voltage. I was being treated by a
Pain Management specialist when mine was installed. They've got their good
points but the one bad point is you can actually set the voltage high enough
to disable yourself. Looking back on it, it was funny when it happened, but
I was paralyzed until my wife finally came out and turn the bloody thing
off. Check out http://www.medtronic.com and search for neurostimulation

Good Luck!!

Dave


"Peter Shull" wrote in message
...

"J T" wrote:

I know some of you old guys have arthritis. I don't consider
myself old yet, but I've got it too.

snippage

Wind up getting about 4 shocks. Finally got it hooked up, then back
over
the fence, and re-hook the top strand. Get back in the house, and notice
the right shoulder isn't
bothering me. Check it out, and find out it has more mobility than it's
had in probly 10 years. Pain-free.

I have NO idea if these shocks would even come close to what TENS specs
are
in terms of milliamperage / wave form / cycles per second / pulse rate /
pulse duration etc., etc., but there MIGHT be an explanation for what you
experienced. Some (but not all) people get a degree of relief from chronic
pain by using Transcutaneous Electrical Nerve Stimulation (TENS). TENS
units
are widely used in the field of physical medicine / physical therapy /
chiropractic. Perhaps you should consult your physician(s) about this.

You can get more info on TENS units on sites such as:
http://www.compextechnologies.com/cervical.html

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 14:43:31 -0400, (J T)
wrote:

I know some of you old guys have arthritis. I don't consider
myself old yet, but I've got it too. Diagnosed in the spine, years ago
(and, of course, they can't tell what type). Also got bad joints, but
they always claim they can't find anything wrong with any of them. If
they didn't always run the same test everytime, they might find
something.

Anyway, for a long time, I've not been able to lift my arms up very
high, straight out, or even straight up, and alway painful to even try.
Today the kid's pups were trying to kill each other. By the way, got a
deal for anyone - buy one pup, get 10 free. Go out, in stocking feet,
to sort it out. Electric fence, suitable for cattle. Unhook the top
wire so I can get in, bad hips too. So, sort it out, all the pups want
to be petted. Sort of like being nibbled to death by baby ducks.
Getting ready to leave, notice the top wire came loose. Use my
handkerchief to pick it up and fasten it back. Wind up getting about 4
shocks. Finally got it hooked up, then back over the fence, and re-hook
the top strand.

Get back in the house, and notice the right shoulder isn't
bothering me. Check it out, and find out it has more mobility than it's
had in probly 10 years. Pain-free. I'd gotten a shock with the left
hand some weeks ago, and noticed the same thing, but had just figured it
was nothing. Who knows? I may have made a medical breakthru here. I'm
almost tempted to go out and purposly shock my left hand, almost. But,
I'm sensitive to electric shock, and don't think so, not on purpose.
Reason I unhooked the finse in the first place, I've got bad hips, and
last time I went over the fence, screwed up, and got one leg between the
wires. That's one way to really wake up.

Anyone else here had similar experiences?

It's funny as Hell, to go outside, and see a small herd of pups run
up to the corner of the fence, then sit down, in a V shaped line, almost
exactly a foot from the fence.

JOAT


some folks swear they get relief by strapping powerful magnets to
their joints. magnetism and electricity are pretty closely related.
you may be on to something....

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 22:57:14 -0700,
brought forth from the murky
depths:

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 14:43:31 -0400, (J T)
wrote:

I know some of you old guys have arthritis. I don't consider
myself old yet, but I've got it too. Diagnosed in the spine, years ago
(and, of course, they can't tell what type). Also got bad joints, but
they always claim they can't find anything wrong with any of them. If
they didn't always run the same test everytime, they might find
something.

some folks swear they get relief by strapping powerful magnets to
their joints. magnetism and electricity are pretty closely related.
you may be on to something....

My grandmother had a really neat battery powered device which was,
I believe, from the 19th century. It took the 6v and pumped it up
to thousands of currentless volts and sent it into your body through
two moistened leather pads. The new TENS units work on the very same
principle, so JOAT is SOL on the new patent thing.


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Some of the newer patent examiners might let it issue. I've dealt with
some lately that are clueless, and don't speak the language well either.

RB

Larry Jaques wrote:
On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 22:57:14 -0700,
brought forth from the murky
depths:


On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 14:43:31 -0400, (J T)
wrote:


I know some of you old guys have arthritis. I don't consider
myself old yet, but I've got it too. Diagnosed in the spine, years ago
(and, of course, they can't tell what type). Also got bad joints, but
they always claim they can't find anything wrong with any of them. If
they didn't always run the same test everytime, they might find
something.


some folks swear they get relief by strapping powerful magnets to
their joints. magnetism and electricity are pretty closely related.
you may be on to something....


My grandmother had a really neat battery powered device which was,
I believe, from the 19th century. It took the 6v and pumped it up
to thousands of currentless volts and sent it into your body through
two moistened leather pads. The new TENS units work on the very same
principle, so JOAT is SOL on the new patent thing.


-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Life is full of little surprises. * Comprehensive Website Development
--Pandora * http://www.diversify.com

I have a wooden box with a device inside simular to the old crank telephone.
This was sold for treatment of Arthritis. We played with it at my
Grandfather's some 70 years ago. Place one lead in a pan of water with a
penny, hold the other lead and try to get the penny while companion cranked
the device as hard as he could.

Walt Conner


My grandmother had a really neat battery powered device which was,
I believe, from the 19th century. It took the 6v and pumped it up
to thousands of currentless volts and sent it into your body through
two moistened leather pads.

I am coming into this offtopic late, but for what this is worth, etc. I
was very recently diagnosed as having arthritis in both knees. I went to
a physical therapist who used Ultrsound which sends a voltage not too
unlike a vibrator. The therapist said Medicare doesn't pay for it, but
he uses it anyway, because he knows it works, and, according to my
knees, he is right.

Fri, Apr 16, 2004, 8:01pm
(Kentucky=A0Highlander) advises:
snip After a couple of beers, as soon as the urge hits ya, head on out
to the fence to take a wiz. That ought to take care of both hips at the
same time.

First, I don't drink anymore.
Second, I have been known to drink a LOT during the course of an
evening. Or 2-3 days.
Third, I could never have drank enough to do something as stupid as
that.

However, you go out and try it, come back with a report for the
group, and I will seriously consider trying it.

Yeah, yeah, some of you guys can drink two six-packs in one
sitting. How about 25 beers, then went out drinking, for a start. I
did NOT do that every night, or even once a week, but it has been known
to happen. It all come from being pure at heart.

JOAT
The Good are Innocent so they invented Justice. The Evil are Guilty so
they invented Mercy.
- Unknown

Sat, Apr 17, 2004, 12:12am (EDT+4) (Peter=A0Shull)
claims:
snip TENS units are widely used snip

NOT by me, and never will be. Had a chiropractor try something
like that on me, for my back - once. I was a Hell of a lot tenser after
he used it, then before.

JOAT
The Good are Innocent so they invented Justice. The Evil are Guilty so
they invented Mercy.
- Unknown

Sat, Apr 17, 2004, 2:25am (EDT+4)
(dave=A0in=A0fairfax) claims:
snip If the nreves are excited enough the pain impulses don't get
through, kind of like white noise drowning out other noises. They aren't
ANYTHING like the jolt you get off an electric fence.

With the thingy the chiropractor used on me, my nerves got so
excited all they felt was pain. I'd almost prefer the electric fence.

JOAT
The Good are Innocent so they invented Justice. The Evil are Guilty so
they invented Mercy.
- Unknown

Sat, Apr 17, 2004, 12:06am (Bob=A0S.) - not him, the
little troll instead, claimed:
snip of troll wishing it was cool

Well, well, it's the little troll coprolite again. LMAO My guess
is, it's the weekend, so mommy and daddy are having a night out,
possibly to get a rest from you. They sensibly don't trust leaving you
home alone, so they got a babysitter. But, the babysitter doesn't know
what you're doing on the computer. Probably daddy's, and you aren't
even supposed to be on it. Am I close? ROTFLMAO I bet he's really
going to be bent out of shape if you windup getting his computer cut
off. Especially if he's got job related stuff on it. LMAO Now, that
would be funny. Don't you agree?

JOAT
The Good are Innocent so they invented Justice. The Evil are Guilty so
they invented Mercy.
- Unknown

Sat, Apr 17, 2004, 4:38am (EDT+4)
(Dave) says:
snip You can also turn them on and off with a magnet, snip you can
actually set the voltage high enough to disable yourself. Looking back
on it, it was funny when it happened, but I was paralyzed until my wife
finally came out and turn the bloody thing off.snip

And, then the wife gets mad, buys a batch of supermagnets, and
passes them out to the grandkids, with instructions to stick them on
gramps. LMAO You'd really be SOL then.

JOAT
The Good are Innocent so they invented Justice. The Evil are Guilty so
they invented Mercy.
- Unknown

Get back in the house, and notice the right shoulder isn't
bothering me. Check it out, and find out it has more mobility than it's
had in probly 10 years. Pain-free. I'd gotten a shock with the left
hand some weeks ago, and noticed the same thing, but had just figured it
was nothing. Who knows? I may have made a medical breakthru here. I'm
almost tempted to go out and purposly shock my left hand, almost. But,
I'm sensitive to electric shock, and don't think so, not on purpose.
Reason I unhooked the finse in the first place, I've got bad hips, and
last time I went over the fence, screwed up, and got one leg between the
wires. That's one way to really wake up.

Anyone else here had similar experiences?

It's funny as Hell, to go outside, and see a small herd of pups run
up to the corner of the fence, then sit down, in a V shaped line, almost
exactly a foot from the fence.

JOAT


some folks swear they get relief by strapping powerful magnets to
their joints. magnetism and electricity are pretty closely related.
you may be on to something....

more likely you are shorting out, or otherwise screwing over your
nerves, so that they can't send pain signals, so the problem is there
but you just can't feel it:-)

J T wrote:

Sat, Apr 17, 2004, 2:25am (EDT+4)
(dave*in*fairfax) claims:
snip If the nreves are excited enough the pain impulses don't get
through, kind of like white noise drowning out other noises. They aren't
ANYTHING like the jolt you get off an electric fence.

With the thingy the chiropractor used on me, my nerves got so
excited all they felt was pain. I'd almost prefer the electric fence.

Probably had the juice turned up too high for you, or else he didn't have
the electrodes on right--if they're not making good contact it can be
painful.

Incidentally the better sex shops will have decent TENS units--they're used
in S&M too.

JOAT
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they invented Mercy.
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"J. Clarke" wrote:

(dave in fairfax) claims:
With the thingy the chiropractor used on me, my nerves got so
excited all they felt was pain. I'd almost prefer the electric fence.

Probably had the juice turned up too high for you, or else he didn't have
the electrodes on right--if they're not making good contact it can be
painful.
Incidentally the better sex shops will have decent TENS units--they're used
in S&M too.

You got somebody else's quote mixed up in mine. I didn't say
anythig about TENS hurting, they don't if set properly. As for
the S&M, WAY more than I wanted to know, and I'm not even going to
ask. %-)

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Tue, Apr 20, 2004, 12:23am lid (J.=A0Clarke)
Probably had the juice turned up too high for you, or else he didn't
have the electrodes on right--if they're not making good contact it can
be painful.
Incidentally the better sex shops will have decent TENS units--they're
used in S&M too.

Your're weird.

JOAT
The Good are Innocent so they invented Justice. The Evil are Guilty so
they invented Mercy.
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J T wrote:

Tue, Apr 20, 2004, 12:23am lid (J.*Clarke)
Probably had the juice turned up too high for you, or else he didn't
have the electrodes on right--if they're not making good contact it can
be painful.
Incidentally the better sex shops will have decent TENS units--they're
used in S&M too.

Your're weird.

Think _I'm_ weird you shoulda met the girl that taught me about things like
that.

JOAT
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