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From the damage I estimate an F2-F3 tonado 2-3 miles from my home. A
total of 8 touched down in High Point last night. Scary stuff. Pictures from a nearby neighborhood: http://www.garagewoodworks.com/hp_tornado |
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"GarageWoodworks" wrote in message ... From the damage I estimate an F2-F3 tonado 2-3 miles from my home. A total of 8 touched down in High Point last night. Scary stuff. Pictures from a nearby neighborhood: http://www.garagewoodworks.com/hp_tornado incredible. took the roof and walls off, left the picture hanging on the last wall. Glad you're o.k. jc |
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Joe wrote:
"GarageWoodworks" wrote in message ... From the damage I estimate an F2-F3 tonado 2-3 miles from my home. A total of 8 touched down in High Point last night. Scary stuff. Pictures from a nearby neighborhood: http://www.garagewoodworks.com/hp_tornado incredible. took the roof and walls off, left the picture hanging on the last wall. .... It is amazing what can be left amid destruction -- I've seen sheet music still on the piano at the page it was left when room walls/ceiling gone around it. NOAA has gone to an "enhanced Fujita" rating system -- same idea, just updated estimates based on more detailed damage comparisons over time. I'd guess this would equate to EF-2, not EF-3 or just barely 3-level. (From tornado alley country...) -- |
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On 3/29/2010 12:09 PM, GarageWoodworks wrote:
From the damage I estimate an F2-F3 tornado 2-3 miles from my home. A total of 8 touched down in High Point last night. Two to three miles is just about the right distance... Keep up the good work! -- Morris Dovey DeSoto Solar DeSoto, Iowa USA http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/ |
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On Mar 29, 3:02*pm, Morris Dovey wrote:
On 3/29/2010 12:09 PM, GarageWoodworks wrote: *From the damage I estimate an F2-F3 tornado 2-3 miles from my home. *A total of 8 touched down in High Point last night. Two to three miles is just about the right distance... Absolutely! It was the closest I've ever been to one. I should correct my original post. A total of 8 touched down including the surrounding areas. Keep up the good work! -- Morris Dovey DeSoto Solar DeSoto, Iowa USAhttp://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/ |
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GarageWoodworks wrote:
On Mar 29, 3:02 pm, Morris Dovey wrote: On 3/29/2010 12:09 PM, GarageWoodworks wrote: From the damage I estimate an F2-F3 tornado 2-3 miles from my home. A total of 8 touched down in High Point last night. Two to three miles is just about the right distance... Absolutely! It was the closest I've ever been to one. I should correct my original post. A total of 8 touched down including the surrounding areas. .... Agreed...fortunately, the house/farmstead has never suffered more than a very tiny one that moved one silo (rotated it on foundation about a foot) but they've been all around over the years. And, btw, the previous post only intended as comment on the new rating system; any are big enough to not want to mess with and certainly if one takes _your_ house it's entirely too big... Son the elder is in Raleigh but didn't seem too bad there last night; just some t-storms. Didn't hear of any injuries, fortunately??? Season is just 'round the corner for us'ns...first thunder of spring night before last (not counting the thunder snow of about a couple of weeks earlier, anyway)... Severe weather watcher annual training/refresher meetings/sessions underway for storm spotters; think mine is next week---really ought to double-check on that... -- |
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On Mar 29, 12:09*pm, GarageWoodworks
wrote: From the damage I estimate an F2-F3 tonado 2-3 miles from my home. *A total of 8 touched down in High Point last night. Scary stuff. Pictures from a nearby neighborhood:http://www.garagewoodworks.com/hp_tornado Glad you got through it. Those things do weird things. Wichita and Andover Kansas was hit by an F5 during the early 90's that tore up McConnell AFB, southeast Wichita and decimated the south part of Andover. We watched it move across the southern horizon for 10-15 minutes before heading to the basement. It hit a friends house just east of us and took one end out of the living area and removed two walls from his garage shop. He never found his floor drill press and his Unisaw was about three blocks from the house inside of another house. His work bench was completely in tact. The mason jar full of mineral spirits was on the bench, and the paint brushes he used a couple of nights before were still hanging over the edge of his bench beside his stale, half full coffee cup. While we were helping clean up their mess, a neighbor walked over and said "come over to our place. I want to show you something." His house was moderately damaged but livable. He led us into laundry room and said "Look in the dryer." I thought "What the hell!" But when I opened the dryer door the engine head of a Ryobi weed eater was in the dryer. The rest of it was sticking out through the back of the dryer and the cutting head was protruding through the siding outside of the house. We extracted the machine and it was in surprisingly good condition. RonB |
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I am really curious as to the effect of having hurricane ties and/or better
fasteners would have had on those houses. I know, you get hit hard enough, almost nothing will standu up tothe force. But I saw houses that the second story was removed. Would a stonger tie-in to the first story have prevented that? The houses with the siding gone made me wonder if that would have happened with screws? Maybe the wind would have just bent them all up. I assume if big storms happen there that building codes would have been strengthened recently. Older houses would not have the improvements. Do folks have storm shelters around thre? |
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On Mar 29, 6:13*pm, "Lee Michaels"
wrote: I am really curious as to the effect of having hurricane ties and/or better fasteners would have had on those houses. I know, you get hit hard enough, almost nothing will standu up tothe force. But I saw houses that the second story was removed. Would a stonger tie-in to the first story have prevented that? The houses with the siding gone made me wonder if that would have happened with screws? *Maybe the wind would have just bent them all up. I assume if big storms happen there that building codes would have been strengthened recently. Older houses would not have the improvements. Do folks have storm shelters around thre? No storm shelters, but wish I had one now. |
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On Mar 29, 12:09*pm, GarageWoodworks
wrote: From the damage I estimate an F2-F3 tonado 2-3 miles from my home. *A total of 8 touched down in High Point last night. Scary stuff. Pictures from a nearby neighborhood:http://www.garagewoodworks.com/hp_tornado FYI the tornado has been confirmed an EF3 by the National Weather Service Center. Watch this video and at -1:00 you can see my yellow hummer: http://www.myfox8.com/wghp-tornadoes...,7571743.story |
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Lee Michaels wrote:
I am really curious as to the effect of having hurricane ties and/or better fasteners would have had on those houses. I know, you get hit hard enough, almost nothing will standu up tothe force. But I saw houses that the second story was removed. Would a stonger tie-in to the first story have prevented that? From this one, quite likely I'd say judging from the level of damage (not terribly extensive, just serious). The consequences have a lot to do w/ shape as well and I wondered on the one of the second floor it it wasn't somewhat unusual initially--perhaps not, but it made me wonder what it was initially. The houses with the siding gone made me wonder if that would have happened with screws? Maybe the wind would have just bent them all up. Looked like vinyl -- it'll shred and tear w/ very little wind, comparatively, irrespective of the fastener. I assume if big storms happen there that building codes would have been strengthened recently. Older houses would not have the improvements. In general, they have very benign weather there -- generally far enough inland to avoid worst of hurricanes and tornadoes are pretty uncommon. -- |
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Glad you're ok and didn't lose anything.
-- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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.... FYI the tornado has been confirmed an EF3 by the National Weather Service Center. .... Interesting... I have slow dialup so didn't look at anything near all the pictures in glory, admittedly. Maybe didn't see the worstest... -- |
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On Mar 29, 7:10*pm, -MIKE- wrote:
Glad you're ok and didn't lose anything. -- * -MIKE- * "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" * * *--Elvin Jones *(1927-2004) * -- *http://mikedrums.com * * ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply Thanks Mike. I determined the path of the tornado and the closest it came to me was probably around a mile. Scary ****. I'd post a picture of the path, but I don't want to broadcast where I live. :^) |
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"GarageWoodworks" wrote in message ... On Mar 29, 6:13 pm, "Lee Michaels" wrote: I am really curious as to the effect of having hurricane ties and/or better fasteners would have had on those houses. I know, you get hit hard enough, almost nothing will standu up tothe force. But I saw houses that the second story was removed. Would a stonger tie-in to the first story have prevented that? The houses with the siding gone made me wonder if that would have happened with screws? Maybe the wind would have just bent them all up. I assume if big storms happen there that building codes would have been strengthened recently. Older houses would not have the improvements. Do folks have storm shelters around thre? No storm shelters, but wish I had one now. ============= Well there ya go, your next project. I can see it now, an internal gazebo like structure made from Ipe with teak inlays. All the corners will be mitered half lap joints. Ya make it big enough, use enough of that heavy tropical wood, the wind wouldn't dare blow it away! And you can make another video! ;-) |
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On Mar 29, 7:30*pm, "Lee Michaels"
wrote: "GarageWoodworks" wrote in message ... On Mar 29, 6:13 pm, "Lee Michaels" wrote: I am really curious as to the effect of having hurricane ties and/or better fasteners would have had on those houses. I know, you get hit hard enough, almost nothing will standu up tothe force. But I saw houses that the second story was removed. Would a stonger tie-in to the first story have prevented that? The houses with the siding gone made me wonder if that would have happened with screws? Maybe the wind would have just bent them all up. I assume if big storms happen there that building codes would have been strengthened recently. Older houses would not have the improvements. Do folks have storm shelters around thre? No storm shelters, but wish I had one now. ============= Well there ya go, your next project. I can see it now, an internal gazebo like structure made from Ipe with teak inlays. *All the corners will be mitered half lap joints. Ya make it big enough, use enough of that heavy tropical wood, the wind wouldn't dare blow it away! And you can make another video! ;-) Lol. Now you're talking! ;^) |
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On 3/29/2010 6:13 PM, Lee Michaels wrote:
I am really curious as to the effect of having hurricane ties and/or better fasteners would have had on those houses. I know, you get hit hard enough, almost nothing will standu up tothe force. But I saw houses that the second story was removed. Would a stonger tie-in to the first story have prevented that? One of the big things in high wind areas is the proper installation of "shear walls" for resistance to lateral forces, aka wind and earthquakes .... we even have a separate inspection for that here, and it gets all the way down to the nitty gritty of the nailing patterns on the overlapping sheathing between the first and second floor exterior walls. Most definitely something to take into consideration when designing a structure, as every little bit or mitigation helps. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 10/22/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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On 2010-03-29 20:13:14 -0400, GarageWoodworks
said: Thanks Mike. I determined the path of the tornado and the closest it came to me was probably around a mile. Scary ****. I'd post a picture of the path, but I don't want to broadcast where I live. :^) Hope you don't live near a trailer park! Got family in Davidson Co. but it doesn't look like they were anywhere near the storm. |
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On 3/29/2010 6:56 PM, GarageWoodworks wrote:
No storm shelters, but wish I had one now. It's not an elegant solution, but winner in the catagory of "easy, inexpensive, and effective" is a 30-36" drain tile set vertically into the ground with the "bell" end down. Pour a four-inch concrete floor with a pair of rebar handles (think: fancy fox-hole). If you have small fry, use a tile big enough to hold an adult holding a child. Make a wooden lid to keep rain and critters (and kids) out when not in use. If you never need it, the cost is small - but if you do need it, discard the lid, jump in, grab a handle, and keep head(s) below ground level. -- Morris Dovey DeSoto Solar DeSoto, Iowa USA http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/ |
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We had one cross a creek, rise up a hill and up and over some trees -
and our house for two streets - then down on school temp buildings and rolled them. Glad you were out of the way. They really change lives. Martin GarageWoodworks wrote: From the damage I estimate an F2-F3 tonado 2-3 miles from my home. A total of 8 touched down in High Point last night. Scary stuff. Pictures from a nearby neighborhood: http://www.garagewoodworks.com/hp_tornado |
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On Mar 29, 11:09*am, GarageWoodworks
wrote: From the damage I estimate an F2-F3 tonado 2-3 miles from my home. *A total of 8 touched down in High Point last night. Scary stuff. Pictures from a nearby neighborhood:http://www.garagewoodworks.com/hp_tornado Glad you're okay. Mother Nature can be an evil b****, when she wants to! When it's THAT close, though, almost inevitably ... you know somebody ... or ... somebody who knows somebody. Hope the damage was minimal, the injuries were less, and the recovery quick! |
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"GarageWoodworks" wrote in message ... now. ============= Well there ya go, your next project. I can see it now, an internal gazebo like structure made from Ipe with teak inlays. All the corners will be mitered half lap joints. Ya make it big enough, use enough of that heavy tropical wood, the wind wouldn't dare blow it away! And you can make another video! ;-) Lol. Now you're talking! ;^) In 1988, a big one passed through Raleigh. It hit a Kmart on Glenwood Ave, then skipped in a NE direction across town. The closest it came to where we were living was about 1/2 mile, but it split the distance between where we were living and the home we were building. Talk about hurrying up the next AM and driving as quickly as I could to the home under construction. As it turned out, there was no damage to either our rental place or the house we were building- thank goodness -- Nonny Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself.' -Mark Twain .. |
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On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 10:09:53 -0700 (PDT), the infamous GarageWoodworks
scrawled the following: From the damage I estimate an F2-F3 tonado 2-3 miles from my home. A total of 8 touched down in High Point last night. Scary stuff. Pictures from a nearby neighborhood: http://www.garagewoodworks.com/hp_tornado Yes, scary stuff. That 5th pic, with the huge rootball exposed from the blown-over tree reminds me of Little Rock, AR when I was a kid. I never saw a tornado, but the huge thunderstorms (gorgeous things, the only thing I miss from there) would uproot the big trees lining the streets there. Congrats on the luck of dodging that tornado, Brian. -- Everything I did in my life that was worthwhile I caught hell for. -- Earl Warren |
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GarageWoodworks wrote:
From the damage I estimate an F2-F3 tonado 2-3 miles from my home. A total of 8 touched down in High Point last night. Scary stuff. Pictures from a nearby neighborhood: http://www.garagewoodworks.com/hp_tornado Glad to hear it missed you. Sorry to see the damage it caused. -- There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage Rob Leatham |
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Lee Michaels wrote:
.... I assume if big storms happen there that building codes would have been strengthened recently. Older houses would not have the improvements. .... Actually, it's interesting in that often the very old survive better than new as construction in the '20s often was much stouter than tract housing of the post-war era which tended to get faster/cheaper continuously until, as you suggest, changes in local Codes forced some areas back into better-suited detailing (as Swing notes as well)... I was prompted to add this note by his comment and the previous comment on shape affecting damage as well as the age... In the Greensburg, KS, EF-5, one of the strongest ever observed, it completely flattened 95% of the entire town (path was dead-center of town, 1-1/2 mile wide destructive funnel). The few dwelling structures that did stand at all in the path were a handful small, square one-story hip-roofed houses and a single 2-story expensively built '20s-era full brick construction house that only lost a portion of roof and the add-on porches, etc. It appears that the 4-sided roof shape of the small houses and their small size was pretty effective in minimizing the damaging forces while the brick walls were simply so stout as to keep walls intact even though damage was extensive enough it was razed. The typical ranch-style was simply flattened to the slab almost universally w/ only an occasional exterior wall or tow here or there or the interior walls in some small rooms/halls such as closets and/or bathrooms that had some initial protection. -- |
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On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 19:13:46 -0400, "Lee Michaels"
wrote: I am really curious as to the effect of having hurricane ties and/or better fasteners would have had on those houses. I know, you get hit hard enough, almost nothing will standu up tothe force. But I saw houses that the second story was removed. Would a stonger tie-in to the first story have prevented that? The houses with the siding gone made me wonder if that would have happened with screws? Maybe the wind would have just bent them all up. I assume if big storms happen there that building codes would have been strengthened recently. Older houses would not have the improvements. Do folks have storm shelters around thre? A storm that can drive wheet straw right through a cedar hydro pole can do just about anything it wants to - no matter WHAT you do. Grey concrete bricks with pink fiberglass insulation imbedded ALL THE WAY THROUGH, anyone??? That's just 2 interesting observations from the Woodstock Ontario tornado back in the late '70s |
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On Mar 29, 1:09*pm, GarageWoodworks
wrote: From the damage I estimate an F2-F3 tonado 2-3 miles from my home. *A total of 8 touched down in High Point last night. Scary stuff. Pictures from a nearby http://www.garagewoodworks.com/hp_tornado My local rag ran a story on the twister today w/ a damage path. it's in our paper today for those that want to read about it. |
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On Mar 30, 1:10*pm, GarageWoodworks
wrote: On Mar 29, 1:09*pm, GarageWoodworks wrote: From the damage I estimate an F2-F3 tonado 2-3 miles from my home. *A total of 8 touched down in High Point last night. Scary stuff. Pictures from a nearby http://www.garagewoodworks.com/hp_tornado My local rag ran a story on the twister today w/ a damage path. it's in our paper today for those that want to read about it. A link might help. http://www.news-record.com/content/2..._the_whirlwind |
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On 3/29/2010 7:13 PM, Lee Michaels wrote:
I am really curious as to the effect of having hurricane ties and/or better fasteners would have had on those houses. I know, you get hit hard enough, almost nothing will standu up tothe force. But I saw houses that the second story was removed. Would a stonger tie-in to the first story have prevented that? The houses with the siding gone made me wonder if that would have happened with screws? Maybe the wind would have just bent them all up. I assume if big storms happen there that building codes would have been strengthened recently. Older houses would not have the improvements. Do folks have storm shelters around thre? It's possible to build reasonably priced houses that can survive hurricanes with little damage. But if you want a house that will survive an f4 tornado unscathed you're talking steel plate or heavy reinforced concrete all around, pressure doors, and heavy laminated bulleproof glass. The kind of place that nobody but the very rich could afford, even as a rental. |
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On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 20:33:38 -0500, the infamous Swingman
scrawled the following: On 3/29/2010 6:13 PM, Lee Michaels wrote: I am really curious as to the effect of having hurricane ties and/or better fasteners would have had on those houses. I know, you get hit hard enough, almost nothing will standu up tothe force. But I saw houses that the second story was removed. Would a stonger tie-in to the first story have prevented that? Most of those houses looked like they only lost pieces of roofing in the center of the roof or room, rather than the top half of the house. Most probably did have the hurricane ties in 'em. When windows got hit and blew out, so did the roofs. One of the big things in high wind areas is the proper installation of "shear walls" for resistance to lateral forces, aka wind and earthquakes ... we even have a separate inspection for that here, and it gets all the way down to the nitty gritty of the nailing patterns on the overlapping sheathing between the first and second floor exterior walls. Most definitely something to take into consideration when designing a structure, as every little bit or mitigation helps. Do you use the Simpson Strong-Wall(tm) shear wall panels in those, Swingy? -- Everything I did in my life that was worthwhile I caught hell for. -- Earl Warren |
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On Mar 30, 12:17*pm, "J. Clarke" wrote:
On 3/29/2010 7:13 PM, Lee Michaels wrote: I am really curious as to the effect of having hurricane ties and/or better fasteners would have had on those houses. I know, you get hit hard enough, almost nothing will standu up tothe force. But I saw houses that the second story was removed. Would a stonger tie-in to the first story have prevented that? The houses with the siding gone made me wonder if that would have happened with screws? *Maybe the wind would have just bent them all up. I assume if big storms happen there that building codes would have been strengthened recently. Older houses would not have the improvements. Do folks have storm shelters around thre? It's possible to build reasonably priced houses that can survive hurricanes with little damage. *But if you want a house that will survive an f4 tornado unscathed you're talking steel plate or heavy reinforced concrete all around, pressure doors, and heavy laminated bulleproof glass. *The kind of place that nobody but the very rich could afford, even as a rental. That is right. The F5 that passed through the neighborhood south of us, and then on to Andover, literally leveled the neighborhood. This was an area we used to walk in during evenings. After the tornado, we literally couldn't identify any landmarks. Houses were gone, trees, large trees, were mowed off about 10-15 feet above ground level. You can't build for that. RonB |
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GarageWoodworks wrote:
.... My local rag ran a story on the twister today w/ a damage path. it's in our paper today for those that want to read about it. A link might help. http://www.news-record.com/content/2..._the_whirlwind Certainly glad nobody hurt... http://www.inhabitat.com/wp-content/uploads/greensburgh1.jpg Partial shot of what Greensburg looked like shortly (like several weeks, I'd guess, didn't see an indication when the photo was actually taken but there's been a ton of debris hauled off before this was taken--it was impossible to drive virtually anywhere immediately after). I went up (it's about 80 miles from us) early the morning after and came up the south end of main street which is a mile east of the main highway that was blocked off. Once to the damage area in town, you couldn't tell which was street and which was block--the debris field was 3-ft deep essentially uniform. Damage was so complete locals couldn't even recognize which block/intersection was which much of the time. Spent that day helping several folks recover enough belongings to be able to make it to relatives or motels that evening and many of the next several weeks as could in cleanup...after the second day they cordoned off the entire community and only through qualified organizations were anybody allowed in/out for about two months or maybe even longer... Link to a storm chasers' page who chased it back north from OK/TX from about Coldwater,KS, where he first saw it about 40 miles S of Greensburg. http://www.hprcc.unl.edu/nebraska/may4-2007Greensburg-Kansas-tornado.html It'll be a while 'afore I'll be forgettin' this-here 'un...this is third year coming up and I've become much more diligent about my storm spotter training and making sure the weather radio has batteries... -- |
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On Mar 30, 7:55*pm, dpb wrote:
GarageWoodworks wrote: ... My local rag ran a story on the twister today w/ a damage path. it's in our paper today for those that want to read about it. A link might help. http://www.news-record.com/content/2...aught_in_the_w... Certainly glad nobody hurt... http://www.inhabitat.com/wp-content/uploads/greensburgh1.jpg Partial shot of what Greensburg looked like shortly (like several weeks, I'd guess, didn't see an indication when the photo was actually taken but there's been a ton of debris hauled off before this was taken--it was impossible to drive virtually anywhere immediately after). I went up (it's about 80 miles from us) early the morning after and came up the south end of main street which is a mile east of the main highway that was blocked off. *Once to the damage area in town, you couldn't tell which was street and which was block--the debris field was 3-ft deep essentially uniform. *Damage was so complete locals couldn't even recognize which block/intersection was which much of the time. Spent that day helping several folks recover enough belongings to be able to make it to relatives or motels that evening and many of the next several weeks as could in cleanup...after the second day they cordoned off the entire community and only through qualified organizations were anybody allowed in/out for about two months or maybe even longer... Link to a storm chasers' page who chased it back north from OK/TX from about Coldwater,KS, where he first saw it about 40 miles S of Greensburg. http://www.hprcc.unl.edu/nebraska/may4-2007Greensburg-Kansas-tornado.... It'll be a while 'afore I'll be forgettin' this-here 'un...this is third year coming up and I've become much more diligent about my storm spotter training and making sure the weather radio has batteries... -- Very sad. It doesn't get any worse than what happened in Greensburg. I did more driving around today with the wife and kids and saw more damage (no camera this time). I saw buses that were thrown across the street and homes pushed off of there foundations. I also saw a brick home that had the front bricks stripped off (I guess it was a brick facade?). It is very sad driving around the homes. I don't know if I'd even feel comfortable taking more pictures. It's too much to stomach. I drove out today to the nearest point that the twister came to me and used my GPS to calculate the distance to my house and it was 0.75 miles!!!!!! |
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GarageWoodworks wrote:
.... Very sad. It doesn't get any worse than what happened in Greensburg. I did more driving around today with the wife and kids and saw more damage (no camera this time). I saw buses that were thrown across the street and homes pushed off of there foundations. I also saw a brick home that had the front bricks stripped off (I guess it was a brick facade?). It is very sad driving around the homes. I don't know if I'd even feel comfortable taking more pictures. It's too much to stomach. I drove out today to the nearest point that the twister came to me and used my GPS to calculate the distance to my house and it was 0.75 miles!!!!!! Only thing that would have made it worse would have been for Greensburg to have been a much larger place than it was/is so there would have been more population affected...in a way it was fortunate the G'burg was only a 1500-population little town even though it took out most of the town. Speaking of moving things, there was a full-size Buick on the roof of the Courthouse afterwards (3-stories and only building to survive reasonably intact other than the grain elevators on the north side of town). They found a combine from the John Deere dealership located on the west edge of town rolled up like a wad of aluminum foil almost 5 miles N of town...and not a little guy, this was new 9700-series four-wheel drive monster. All it was lacking was it didn't have the header on the front. I'm guessing it weighed -- well, let's see, let's just look one up; it's a larger machine than ours -- wow!!! JD say ~30,000 lb w/o header. Hmmm....if I compute a wind force times an estimated projected area -- yeah, I get 30k-lbf by a fair margin...man, I'm more impressed after that exercise than I was when I saw the sucker out there...I didn't think actual weight would be much over half that and the thought of that was daunting enough. -- |
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On 3/30/2010 8:13 PM, GarageWoodworks wrote:
Very sad. It doesn't get any worse than what happened in Greensburg. They do tend to make a mess. Here are a few photos of the May 25, 2008 EF5 that hit Parkersburg, Iowa. http://images.google.com/images?q=Parkersburg+Tornado -- Morris Dovey DeSoto Solar DeSoto, Iowa USA http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/ |
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On Mar 30, 8:13*pm, GarageWoodworks
wrote: On Mar 30, 7:55*pm, dpb wrote: GarageWoodworks wrote: ... My local rag ran a story on the twister today w/ a damage path. it's in our paper today for those that want to read about it. A link might help. http://www.news-record.com/content/2...aught_in_the_w.... Certainly glad nobody hurt... http://www.inhabitat.com/wp-content/uploads/greensburgh1.jpg Partial shot of what Greensburg looked like shortly (like several weeks, I'd guess, didn't see an indication when the photo was actually taken but there's been a ton of debris hauled off before this was taken--it was impossible to drive virtually anywhere immediately after). I went up (it's about 80 miles from us) early the morning after and came up the south end of main street which is a mile east of the main highway that was blocked off. *Once to the damage area in town, you couldn't tell which was street and which was block--the debris field was 3-ft deep essentially uniform. *Damage was so complete locals couldn't even recognize which block/intersection was which much of the time. Spent that day helping several folks recover enough belongings to be able to make it to relatives or motels that evening and many of the next several weeks as could in cleanup...after the second day they cordoned off the entire community and only through qualified organizations were anybody allowed in/out for about two months or maybe even longer... Link to a storm chasers' page who chased it back north from OK/TX from about Coldwater,KS, where he first saw it about 40 miles S of Greensburg. http://www.hprcc.unl.edu/nebraska/may4-2007Greensburg-Kansas-tornado..... It'll be a while 'afore I'll be forgettin' this-here 'un...this is third year coming up and I've become much more diligent about my storm spotter training and making sure the weather radio has batteries... -- Very sad. *It doesn't get any worse than what happened in Greensburg. We used to live in Wichita, about 1.5 hours east of Greensburg. Before the tornado we used to drive through from time to time on the way to Colorado or New Mexico. It was a pretty town and we always thought the Green part of their name went with the hundreds of big trees all around the town. The big feature of Greenburg was the largest hand-dug will in a park a few blocks off of the highway. A very pretty town and park. We dove through on the way to Taos in October of '08 and it almost made us cry. From the highway you could see the horizon in all directions. No houses, few buildings and all of the trees were stripped and destroyed. Besides a concrete grain elevator that survived the storm most of the above ground structures were tents and temporary buildings put up by disaster workers. There were a few starts on new homes. If good comes from disaster, Greensburg might well become the model for green communities. With the help of some organizations, the government and a few celebrities they have committed to incorporate green technology into their rebuild. This has come at the expense of a few long-time residents who apparently are having difficulty affording some of their new building standards. Time will tell. RonB |
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On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 17:11:55 -0700 (PDT), the infamous RonB
scrawled the following: On Mar 30, 12:17*pm, "J. Clarke" wrote: On 3/29/2010 7:13 PM, Lee Michaels wrote: I am really curious as to the effect of having hurricane ties and/or better fasteners would have had on those houses. I know, you get hit hard enough, almost nothing will standu up tothe force. But I saw houses that the second story was removed. Would a stonger tie-in to the first story have prevented that? The houses with the siding gone made me wonder if that would have happened with screws? *Maybe the wind would have just bent them all up. I assume if big storms happen there that building codes would have been strengthened recently. Older houses would not have the improvements. Do folks have storm shelters around thre? It's possible to build reasonably priced houses that can survive hurricanes with little damage. *But if you want a house that will survive an f4 tornado unscathed you're talking steel plate or heavy reinforced concrete all around, pressure doors, and heavy laminated bulleproof glass. *The kind of place that nobody but the very rich could afford, even as a rental. That is right. The F5 that passed through the neighborhood south of us, and then on to Andover, literally leveled the neighborhood. This was an area we used to walk in during evenings. After the tornado, we literally couldn't identify any landmarks. Houses were gone, trees, large trees, were mowed off about 10-15 feet above ground level. You can't build for that. Sure you can. Think "cement domes" and only replace a window or two. -- May those who love us, love us; And may those that don't love us, May God turn their hearts; And if he doesn't turn their hearts, may he turn their ankles, So we'll know them by their limping. --old Gaelic blessing |
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"Larry Jaques" wrote Sure you can. Think "cement domes" and only replace a window or two. Look at these guys. http://www.aidomes.com/ They use cast cement panel construction of domes. You assemble them on a framework. Then cast cement into all the joints. Smooth and paint. The structure is very strong. I really can't think of a natural force that could destroy it. |
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On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 00:31:49 -0400, the infamous "Lee Michaels"
scrawled the following: "Larry Jaques" wrote Sure you can. Think "cement domes" and only replace a window or two. Look at these guys. http://www.aidomes.com/ Man, what a POS website, though. 2/3 of the screen is menu, header, and pic. The slideshow doesn't work, the store doesn't work... It's damaging their business. sigh They use cast cement panel construction of domes. You assemble them on a framework. Then cast cement into all the joints. Smooth and paint. The structure is very strong. I really can't think of a natural force that could destroy it. Yeah, cement is one tough nut for Mother Nature to crack. Have you seen the inflatable dome style? They blow up a balloon and shoot 'crete over it. It's a one-piece cast, prolly stronger than AI. http://www.monolithic.com/topics/homes is one maker. I like their low-key video. (std disclaimer applies) -- May those who love us, love us; And may those that don't love us, May God turn their hearts; And if he doesn't turn their hearts, may he turn their ankles, So we'll know them by their limping. --old Gaelic blessing |
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