We all have had less than satisfactory products and services from a big box
store. What happened last night was not particularly bad as much as it was
surreal. Ya know, strange, werid, etc.

I needed to pick up a couple of items last night. I would have probably put
it off for a couple days but a padlock died and needed to be replaced right
away. So I venture into the borg to pick up my items. I got them, put them
in my cart and then went to the section that had the padlocks.

They had all kinds of cheap, small padlocks. And many big enough to tie up a
battleship. But almost nothing of a medium size that I wanted. And the
medium sizes were either out of stock or came in sets of three or four. The
other interesting thing is that the locks all sported new packaging. They
were actually locked onto a strong peice of plastic. (more on this later)
After making somebody check stock and climb up on a ladder, we came to a
decision on a lock that would probably work for me.

I put the lock in my cart and head to the checkout stand. I get up front and
discover that the only checkout stands available are the self service ones.
I push the english button on the screen and a voice starts giving me
instructions. As someone who has hearing problems, I knew this was not going
well.

At his point a young man, who apparently works there to support a drug
habit, comes running up geturing wildly and berating me for "not following
instructions". I inform him that as someone who is hearing challenged, I do
not respond well to squeaky electronic voices. Also if he wanted to
communicate with me he had to stop waving his arms about and speak clearly
enough for me to understand him.

He looked at me like I was retarded and ran back to his station and produced
a portable scanner and scanned everything in my cart. Then he frantically
pointed at the screen and yelled for me to make payment. I produced a gift
card and asked if the machine took them. He shouted no and snatched the card
from my hand.

Then he played with the card for awhile including producing a swithblade
type knife from his pocked to scrape some imaginary substance off the card.
Finally the card got processed and the machine wants more money. I tried to
give the money to him but apparently they don't trust him with money. I went
back to the terminal and put in two twenties. Then I waited, and waited,
and waited....., for my change.

First a trickle of coins dribbled into a small cup that I was barely able to
get the money out of. But no bills The machine owed me $13 and I didn't
see it. I searched for a bill dispenser on this infernal machine. Then the
whacko kid started gesturing wild at me again and pointing at the floor. I
looked on the floor, but no money. He kept pointing and I finally figured
out that he bill dispenser was located about ankle level. I bent over and
picked out my money bill by bill because it too was too small to put my hand
in it.

As I left (fled) the oplace, the whaco kid was juggling a number of rolls of
tape. Duct tape, masking tape, packaging tape, etc. He tossed them into the
air and could keep a number of them going. He couldn't check me out. But he
could yell at me and practice his juggling.

When driving home I kept thinking that this could not get more unreal. I got
into the garage and got out the padlock. I tried to open it, no luck. I
tried to cut it open with a utility knife. Not only was I unsuccessful, but
almost cut an artery. Way too dangerous.

I concluded that he only safe tool to use on this hard plastic lock display
was diagonol cutters. It took several cuts and finally a sharp piece of
plastic shot off the cutters and almost hit me in the eye! I didn't realize
that you had to wear safety glasses to break into a padlock package!

Also, the key does not have a hole in the top of the key to hang it on a
ring. Instead it has a large, long hole on the side of the key. That way the
key hangs sideways and takes up about three times as much room in your
pocket. It also digs into your leg.This afternoon, I am going to drill a
regular hole in the top of the key. so it will go onto my keyring and not
make a mess. Werid keys, bulletproof packaging, What will they think of
next?

It wasn't the worst experience I have had with a big box store. But probably
the most surreal in a long time. I kept looking for sign that I was drugged.
I was fine. It was the other guys who were obviously stoned.

end of rant

You friendly neighborhood curmudgeon,
Lee

On 2009-12-28, Lee Michaels wrote:

[snip major sniveling]

the most surreal in a long time. I kept looking for sign that I was drugged.
I was fine. It was the other guys who were obviously stoned.

end of rant

Geez! ...sucks to be you. Maybe you can convince whackman to beat-up
somebody.

nb

"Lee Michaels" wrote in message
...

We all have had less than satisfactory products and services from a big
box store. What happened last night was not particularly bad as much as it
was surreal. Ya know, strange, werid, etc.
[snip]

Dang, that was indeed a fun visit to Hell Depot.

My complaints with that place all revolve around service, not the products
themselves. A manager can deal with a substandard employee a lot easier
than with an entire product line. So I have to ask, did you tell your story
to the management of the company? They're the ones who need to hear it.
The Contact Us section at homedepot.com has an 800 number and an e-mail
form. My wife has contacted them a couple of times (I'm usually too steamed
at HD to be trusted with such a task) and been issued discount coupons or
something as a result, maybe it's worthwhile for you to give that a try.

"Lee Michaels" wrote in message
...
Snip

When driving home I kept thinking that this could not get more unreal. I
got into the garage and got out the padlock. I tried to open it, no luck.
I tried to cut it open with a utility knife. Not only was I unsuccessful,
but almost cut an artery. Way too dangerous.

I concluded that he only safe tool to use on this hard plastic lock
display was diagonol cutters. It took several cuts and finally a sharp
piece of plastic shot off the cutters and almost hit me in the eye! I
didn't realize that you had to wear safety glasses to break into a padlock
package!


FIY there is a tool designed to open the welded plastic product containers.
The tool typically has orange handles and they are similar to offset tin
snips. I got mine at HD for about $10.

Leon wrote:

FIY there is a tool designed to open the welded plastic product containers.
The tool typically has orange handles and they are similar to offset tin
snips. I got mine at HD for about $10.

IIRC, you gave me the ones I have, right?

--
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Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)

Leon wrote:

FIY there is a tool designed to open the welded plastic product containers.
The tool typically has orange handles and they are similar to offset tin
snips. I got mine at HD for about $10.

IIRC, you gave me the ones I have, right?

--
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Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)

"Lee Michaels" wrote:

We all have had less than satisfactory products and services from a
big box store. What happened last night was not particularly bad as
much as it was surreal. Ya know, strange, werid, etc.
snip the balance

No hardware stores in your area?

Lew

"Lew Hodgett" wrote

"Lee Michaels" wrote:

We all have had less than satisfactory products and services from a big
box store. What happened last night was not particularly bad as much as
it was surreal. Ya know, strange, werid, etc.
snip the balance

No hardware stores in your area?

Yep, one right up the street. But none open at that hour. I needed a
padlock last night and the borg was the only thing open.

I am going up to that hardware store today or tomorrow to get some
fasteners. They cost less and are higher quality than home depot.

On Dec 28, 10:44*am, "Lee Michaels"
wrote:
[all-too-familiar-rant snipped for brevity's sake]

An impact gun, a flashlight and a multi-tool. All in a case, Lithium
Ion 2aH Bosch... good deal. BUT.. I already have the Fein albeit
corded. So I scare up a HD employee, because I want to see his
collection of replacement blades for the Bosch multi-tools. *I* want
to see them because I want to make sure that the blades can be used
either on the Fein AND the Bosch."Well, sir, we don't carry the
blades."
"Ohhhhkaaayyy.. you sell the tool, but not the attachments.....?"
"Rona sells them." (Another big box store chain up here in
Kanuckistan)
"That's a bit silly don't you think there young fella?"... and I stood
there staring into the vacuum of his eyes. After a few Ren & Stimpy
grade blinks, he tried to explain this.
I walked away, shaking my head...

I'm still no wiser when it comes to who-fits-who in the buzzer-tool
bizniz. Guess I best do some DAGSing then. (Or somebody's done that
already?)

"Leon" wrote

FIY there is a tool designed to open the welded plastic product
containers. The tool typically has orange handles and they are similar to
offset tin snips. I got mine at HD for about $10.


I'll check it out. Thanks for the heads up.

I am not sure that would have worked on this thing though. It was very
thick and solid. The padlock was locked around a heavy chunk of plastic. I
was trying to free the keys so I could unlock the padlock. I think that is
why the key hole is on the side. It allowed for this kind of packaging.
There was some kind of plastic fastener or rivet holding the keys in
position in their own little holder. It took several cuts just to free the
keys. Once the keys were free though, it was a simple matter to unlock the
padlock and remove it.

When I think about it, you have a design that is wholly determined by
packaging. It looks pretty hanging there in the store. The safety hazards
to open it or the ability to put the key on a normal key ring was
unimportant to them. Another case of marketing getting in the way of
function and safety.

I also find it significant that there are lots of three and four padlocks
in one package. And very few singles in this size. They run sales on the
singles. Those disappear fast. And folks show up wanting to get a single and
having to buy multiple locks because they are out of the singles.

Do you ever get the feeling that you get screwed everytime you go to that
place???

You are in desperate need of one of these, which I
highly recommend:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...QXC5YRCQ8TC5MD

Lee Michaels wrote:
We all have had less than satisfactory products and services from a big box
store.

I concluded that he only safe tool to use on this hard plastic lock display
was diagonol cutters. It took several cuts and finally a sharp piece of
plastic shot off the cutters and almost hit me in the eye!

"Pat Barber" wrote

You are in desperate need of one of these, which I
highly recommend:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...QXC5YRCQ8TC5MD

Leon mentioned that these are available at home depot. I will check it out.
One of the reviews at Amazon says that it is cheaper at home depot.

Thanks for the heads up Pat.

"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
...

"Lee Michaels" wrote:

We all have had less than satisfactory products and services from a big
box store. What happened last night was not particularly bad as much as
it was surreal. Ya know, strange, werid, etc.
snip the balance

No hardware stores in your area?

Lew

On the other hand...

It's gotten so that I can barely bring myself to take the time to go to the
hardware store/lumber yard that my family has done business with for 60+
years. Why? My last three trips exemplify why: they've stopped carrying
lines that I've used for years (e.g., Minwax, Woodlife), have holes in the
displays were the item I need should be (e.g., 2 1/2" hole saw), or their
prices, even with my trade discount run 20-40% more than the Borg ($22 for
the same hole saw HD sells for $13.xx--glad they didn't have the 2 1/2" saw
when I saw that!). They've gone down scale with the brands/quality for many
items too... used to have Milwaukee and Porter Cable and now have Skill and
Black and Decker. Years ago the help was helpful... now they are clerks are
on par with the typical mall store. I'm still dismayed by the time I took
dowels to the counter, from the display across from the counter, and the
clerk asked me what they were...

Home Depot and Lowe's on the other hand have generally had what I needed the
past few years and the help was helpful--experienced retired tradesmen. When
I told the guy I needed a double gang old work box but the shelf was empty
he not only knew what I was asking for but knew where the back up stock was
on the high shelve. Sad to say the Borg experience has become a better
experience compared to the hardware store where they formerly wrote up my
order without having to ask for my name, I signed for the stuff and walked
out--now I seldom see the same clerk twice outside of the lumber desk and
they can never seem to find my account in the computer.

If I drive about six miles past HD and Lowe's and go across the toll bridge
there is a good locally owned store. I bought a lot of stuff there over the
years... especially stuff like pumice, shellac, Hardi Plank siding, 21'
lengths of gutter, scaffolding planks, and other things that are not
available or difficult to buy at the BORG. An example of BORG difficulty in
purchasing was the time I needed a joining kit to gang up a couple double
hung Anderson windows. Special ordering the ganged up window was about $220
more than taking two stock units and joining them with a $25 kit (though I
did have to make the wood joint trim) but the experience took me two trips
and about 2 hours... an hour and 35 minutes of it standing in lines to pick
up the special order. Should have driven the extra 12 miles for that
purchase!

I'm afraid the 100+ year old store has lost it's competitive advantages over
the past 20 years. It's now a good place to buy bird seed and household
knickknacks but not so good for hardware, tools, or building materials...
Sad state of affairs.

John

"Swingman" wrote in message
...
Leon wrote:

FIY there is a tool designed to open the welded plastic product
containers. The tool typically has orange handles and they are similar to
offset tin snips. I got mine at HD for about $10.

IIRC, you gave me the ones I have, right?


IIRC I did. Is it by your missing saddle square? LOL

"Lee Michaels" wrote in message
...

"Leon" wrote

FIY there is a tool designed to open the welded plastic product
containers. The tool typically has orange handles and they are similar to
offset tin snips. I got mine at HD for about $10.


I'll check it out. Thanks for the heads up.

Actually this is it..... It is pretty heavy duty. The trick is to cut just
inside the weld on the package but it will cut just about anywhere on the
package.

http://www.enjoyzibra.com/openit/

"Leon" wrote in message
...

FIY there is a tool designed to open the welded plastic product
containers. The tool typically has orange handles and they are similar to
offset tin snips. I got mine at HD for about $10.

This is it, works well.

http://www.enjoyzibra.com/openit/

"Lee Michaels" wrote in message
...
We all have had less than satisfactory products and services from a big
box store. What happened last night was not particularly bad as much as it
was surreal. Ya know, strange, weird, etc.


SNIP.

end of rant

You friendly neighborhood curmudgeon,
Lee


We have an Ace hardware and a Home Depot in our small town. Local people
staffing both. All are friendly and well versed in what they sell. Both
take return's back with no hassle. I guess we are blessed better than the
large cities. WW

On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:03:09 -0600, the infamous "Leon"
scrawled the following:


"Lee Michaels" wrote in message
. ..

"Leon" wrote

FIY there is a tool designed to open the welded plastic product
containers. The tool typically has orange handles and they are similar to
offset tin snips. I got mine at HD for about $10.


I'll check it out. Thanks for the heads up.

Actually this is it..... It is pretty heavy duty. The trick is to cut just
inside the weld on the package but it will cut just about anywhere on the
package.

http://www.enjoyzibra.com/openit/

My sister, who used a pair of these (given to Mom as a joke, so she
didn't have to get too close to her sewing any more.) opened a
clamshell very easily. I was stunned.
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=90609

--
"I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, natural, wholesome things
that money can buy." --Tom Clancy

On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:10:03 -0500, the infamous "Lee Michaels"
scrawled the following:


"Pat Barber" wrote

You are in desperate need of one of these, which I
highly recommend:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...QXC5YRCQ8TC5MD

Leon mentioned that these are available at home depot. I will check it out.
One of the reviews at Amazon says that it is cheaper at home depot.

Thanks for the heads up Pat.

With two sharp ends, that thing looks like an accident waiting to
happen. When you pick it up with the razor knife out and try to cut
something and then lay it down, look out!

--
"I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, natural, wholesome things
that money can buy." --Tom Clancy

I didn't realize
that you had to wear safety glasses to break into a padlock package!

We can only hope that the *******s who design the impenetrable plastic
packaging get to spend their afterlife opening that crap with butter
knives.

RonB

Leon wrote:


FIY there is a tool designed to open the welded plastic product
containers. The tool typically has orange handles and they are
similar to offset tin snips. I got mine at HD for about $10.

Most can be opened easily with a can opener. The manual kind you squeeze
and turn the handle.
See it here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyw2AxcC9xE

What kind of tool is needed to open the package the package opening tool
comes in?

I find the packaging that has evolved today is often bizzarre some is as
described - tough plasic that is hard to open, while others are cardboard
packaging that are sealed with a security type tape.



"Leon" wrote in message
...

"Lee Michaels" wrote in message
...

"Leon" wrote

FIY there is a tool designed to open the welded plastic product
containers. The tool typically has orange handles and they are similar
to offset tin snips. I got mine at HD for about $10.


I'll check it out. Thanks for the heads up.

Actually this is it..... It is pretty heavy duty. The trick is to cut
just inside the weld on the package but it will cut just about anywhere on
the package.

http://www.enjoyzibra.com/openit/

"Matt" wrote

What kind of tool is needed to open the package the package opening tool
comes in?

Exactly.

I got a gift card and decided to get another pair of diagonal cutters. It
is tool I need from time to time and they vanish from the earth around here
for some reason. I have one pair near my workbench. I buy this new cutter,
in bright neon colors so I can SEE it, and get it home. And what do you
know, I needed the other diagonal cutters to cut the new pair of of its
package.

I assume when buying this new package opening tool, you have to take your
life in your hands to open this safety device.

Ironic, eh?

On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 01:04:26 -0500, "Lee Michaels"
I assume when buying this new package opening tool, you have to take your
life in your hands to open this safety device.

Ironic, eh?

Nah! It's only ineptness on the part of most.

Not one with any sympathy for the big borgs unfriendliness, but you did get
your padlock. They probably had the best crew they could get when everyone
else is closed. Credit where it's due, they've gotten me out of a few jams
too.


Happy New Year



"Lee Michaels" wrote in message
...

"Lew Hodgett" wrote

"Lee Michaels" wrote:

We all have had less than satisfactory products and services from a big
box store. What happened last night was not particularly bad as much as
it was surreal. Ya know, strange, werid, etc.
snip the balance

No hardware stores in your area?

Yep, one right up the street. But none open at that hour. I needed a
padlock last night and the borg was the only thing open.

I am going up to that hardware store today or tomorrow to get some
fasteners. They cost less and are higher quality than home depot.

"Leon" wrote in message
...

"Lee Michaels" wrote in message
...
Snip

When driving home I kept thinking that this could not get more unreal. I
got into the garage and got out the padlock. I tried to open it, no
luck. I tried to cut it open with a utility knife. Not only was I
unsuccessful, but almost cut an artery. Way too dangerous.

I concluded that he only safe tool to use on this hard plastic lock
display was diagonol cutters. It took several cuts and finally a sharp
piece of plastic shot off the cutters and almost hit me in the eye! I
didn't realize that you had to wear safety glasses to break into a
padlock package!


FIY there is a tool designed to open the welded plastic product
containers. The tool typically has orange handles and they are similar to
offset tin snips. I got mine at HD for about $10.


How did you get the package open?

"Matt" wrote:

What kind of tool is needed to open the package the package opening
tool comes in?

I find the packaging that has evolved today is often bizzarre some
is as described - tough plasic that is hard to open, while others
are cardboard packaging that are sealed with a security type tape.

Whatever happened to your basic avaition snips?

Take your choice, left, right, center.

No wait, that's an NPR program.

Lew

Lee Michaels wrote:

I concluded that he only safe tool to use on this hard plastic lock display
was diagonol cutters. It took several cuts and finally a sharp piece of
plastic shot off the cutters and almost hit me in the eye! I didn't realize
that you had to wear safety glasses to break into a padlock package!

I've found that my band saw is an effective opener for that kind of
packaging...

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

"LDosser" wrote in message
...



How did you get the package open?

IIRC they are held to the package with twist wire ties or zip ties.

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...

With two sharp ends, that thing looks like an accident waiting to
happen. When you pick it up with the razor knife out and try to cut
something and then lay it down, look out!


The blade is spring loaded, you have to hold it in the open position
otherwise it springs back closed.

If these things hurt you you have other problems. LOL

"DGDevin" wrote in message
m...

"Lee Michaels" wrote in message
...

We all have had less than satisfactory products and services from a big
box store. What happened last night was not particularly bad as much as
it was surreal. Ya know, strange, werid, etc.
[snip]

Dang, that was indeed a fun visit to Hell Depot.

My complaints with that place all revolve around service, not the products
themselves. A manager can deal with a substandard employee a lot easier
than with an entire product line. So I have to ask, did you tell your
story to the management of the company? They're the ones who need to hear
it. The Contact Us section at homedepot.com has an 800 number and an
e-mail form. My wife has contacted them a couple of times (I'm usually
too steamed at HD to be trusted with such a task) and been issued discount
coupons or something as a result, maybe it's worthwhile for you to give
that a try.


The problem with that is that the checkout points are all monitored by video
camera, and a quick review of the transaction process would almost assuredly
have indicated some pretty serious exaggeration on Lee's part.

Your point though, is well taken. Most people don't complain to management
in businesses, because the event was really not as bad as the way they
describe it in forums like this, where it's fashionable to write about
horror stories. Of course the horror stories always include the claim that
the subject of the post was patient, polite, respectful, etc., and the BORG
folks were incompetent, rude, dazed, etc. Genuine bad experiences should
indeed be reported to management. Right on the spot is better than using
web or email services. That does require though, that the complainer have
the right personal qualities to face those he's accusing and stand
accountable for his claims against someone else. Far easier to just come to
a place like this and rant on and on.

--

-Mike-

On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 07:47:48 -0600, the infamous "Leon"
scrawled the following:


"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
.. .

With two sharp ends, that thing looks like an accident waiting to
happen. When you pick it up with the razor knife out and try to cut
something and then lay it down, look out!


The blade is spring loaded, you have to hold it in the open position
otherwise it springs back closed.

There is a lock on it and I'd be willing to bet that most people would
use it while they work if it's more than one slash they need. I'll bet
these guys get sued over it by some idiot who loses a little finger.


If these things hurt you you have other problems. LOL

Suicidal tendencies? g

--
It's a shallow life that doesn't give a person a few scars.
-- Garrison Keillor

On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 19:04:53 -0800 (PST), the infamous RonB
scrawled the following:

I didn't realize
that you had to wear safety glasses to break into a padlock package!

We can only hope that the *******s who design the impenetrable plastic
packaging get to spend their afterlife opening that crap with butter
knives.

Them and the shoplifters and thieves who drove mfgrs to use that kind
of packaging to avert loss at the stores. sigh

--
It's a shallow life that doesn't give a person a few scars.
-- Garrison Keillor

On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 23:09:06 -0800, the infamous "Lew Hodgett"
scrawled the following:


"Matt" wrote:

What kind of tool is needed to open the package the package opening
tool comes in?

I find the packaging that has evolved today is often bizzarre some
is as described - tough plasic that is hard to open, while others
are cardboard packaging that are sealed with a security type tape.

Whatever happened to your basic avaition snips?

I picked up another bundle of 3 when they were on sale for $10 earlier
this year. I couldn't find my righties. I keep the straights in the
truck.


Take your choice, left, right, center.

No wait, that's an NPR program.

Har! There's nothing but Left on NPR, sir.

--
It's a shallow life that doesn't give a person a few scars.
-- Garrison Keillor

On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 03:06:11 -0600, the infamous Morris Dovey
scrawled the following:

Lee Michaels wrote:

I concluded that he only safe tool to use on this hard plastic lock display
was diagonol cutters. It took several cuts and finally a sharp piece of
plastic shot off the cutters and almost hit me in the eye! I didn't realize
that you had to wear safety glasses to break into a padlock package!

I've found that my band saw is an effective opener for that kind of
packaging...

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz...Oops, that was one of the
handles. Damn.

--
It's a shallow life that doesn't give a person a few scars.
-- Garrison Keillor

"Larry Jaques" wrote:

Har! There's nothing but Left on NPR, sir.

Bull****.

That crap didn't work with Trickey Dickie when he tried it and it
doesn't work today when you try it.

Lew

Robatoy wrote:
On Dec 29, 2:32 pm, Swingman wrote:
Robatoy wrote:
NPR seems to be the polar opposite to Fox News. (The only difference
being that NPR doesn't fabricate their news)
Didn't know that Dan Rather worked for FN??

HA!
No siree... I stay firmly in the middle with my news sources. Fark.com
My favorite also ...


YOU are shiatting me? That explains a few things.. G

Irreverent regard for the pompous of any persuasion ... gotta love it.

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KarlC@ (the obvious)

"Mike Marlow" wrote

The problem with that is that the checkout points are all monitored by
video camera, and a quick review of the transaction process would almost
assuredly have indicated some pretty serious exaggeration on Lee's part.

What a classic, clueless response.

I have no doubt that part of the problem is that I have a hearing loss. I
have been treated badly my whole life because of that and as I get older my
hearing gets worse. I don't have any problem figuring out when I am being
treated badly. You are just like all those assholes I have met who think
that I am faking it. Like if I try hard enough, I can suddenly hear or
something. And Home Depot depending on vocal instructions presupposes that
everybody has perfect hearing. And the liittle places where the money comes
out are totally camaflagued. I couldn't see them. (My vision is not so hot
either)

And the lock packaging would challenge almost anybody to get into it.
Unless, of course, you have the proper tools. I will be looking into that
when I pick up something from Home Depot this afternoon.

Very little of anything was exaggerated here. All those events did actually
occur. And I was trying to be humerous and pointing this out as a strange
event rather that a mistreatment thing. All subtleties that went way over
your head apparently.

I was trying to point out some problems with dealing with a big box store.
You apparently live near a big box store that offers utopian service. It is
interesting that you think bad service, indifferent machines subsituting for
people as checkers and bulletproof packaging are examples of "serious
exaggeration".

Perhaps you have serious exaggerated your own abilities to perceive and
interpert life experiences.

On 12/29/09 11:42 AM, Robatoy wrote:
polar opposite to Fox News. (The only difference
being that...doesn't fabricate their news)


You misspelled New York Times.


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On 2009-12-29 00:51:18 -0500, "Matt" said:

What kind of tool is needed to open the package the package opening
tool comes in?

Kitchen shears work pretty well.