"Greg G." wrote in message
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J. Clarke said:

Greg G. wrote:
I've owned both, and will give up neither. And believe it or not we
still have a couple of states in the US which are helmet optional;
Florida being one of them. Besides, beyond a certain speed, the helmet
is only for identification purposes. ;-)

I don't expect it to save my life, but I do expect it to spare me some
pain.
Road rash on the face won't kill you, but it will make you _wish_ it had.

I wear a helmet, and have worn harnesses or seat belts since a teen.
Only laid it down once; a drunk driver ran the sign on a side street
on a Saturday night. This was 23 years ago, and the brown looking
marks on my arms are still visible. I'm not sure, but think there is
still some burnt asphalt in there. Glad it's not on my face - there's
plenty of fugly there already.


Greg G.


I've been off a few times, only once was it bad. Riding home in the country,
doing around 85 mph on an unsealed road and someone had pulled a wire gate
across a shared laneway to direct a mob of sheep into an adjacent paddock.
(common occurrence in rural Oz back then) By the time I realised it was
there, I was skidding down the road like I'd bee flung out of a catapault,
face down and trying unsuccessfully to turn onto my back. Shredded my
leathers and a lot of skin too. No helmet. Two weeks before I could walk or
use my hands.
Promptly sold the bike, a Kawasaki Mach 111, fastest thing on two wheels in
it's day. And lethal.
Went back to riding ponderous old cruisers.

diggerop

Robatoy said:

On Nov 9, 11:29*am, Greg wrote:

*One of the
leading items on my bucket list are to ride the length of New Zealand.

I once saw a group (guessing 10 or so) of Duc riders thunder by me on
The Great Ocean Road in Oz. I was standing by the side of the road
after having peeked over the guardrail to the waves way-way-way down
below... I think it was some sort of club, they were all in red
leathers and red bikes(of course) They were moving. Sounded like a
swarm of nuclear bees.
THAT left an impression on me...enough to make that a bucket-list
item.

The first week I rode mine on the street I was buzzed by a large group
of Harleys, sans mufflers of course. 25 or 30 passed on both sides in
my lane and scared the bejees out of me at first. Not sure but think
they may have either objected to rice burners on their roads or were
testing the nerves of the unknown rider.

The friend who had owned several bikes for years and bugged me to buy
one so that we could ride together wrecked his on the way home from
the bike shop when I bought mine. We were flailing a twisting mountain
road and he hit a culvert, broke the front forks and never rode again.


Greg G.

CW said:

"diggerop" toobusy@themoment wrote in message
.au...

One big problem we have, is that so many car drivers act as if
you're not there, so getting cut off or forced out of a lane is a common

No need for the chain anymore. The way cars are built these days, a heavy
boot works wonders. The last cell phone talking, SUV driving bit** that
tried to take my lane got a dented door for her trouble. The only way to
stay alive on a bike is to ride like everyone is trying to kill you.

You mean they're not?
Wow. And here I though I was playing a giant game of Frogger.


Greg G.

On Nov 9, 3:00*pm, Tim Daneliuk wrote:

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"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...
LDosser wrote:

I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed. But I do say no more
than ten to twenty million killed, tops. Uh, depending on the breaks.



... flying so low they'll be barbequing chickens in the barnyard!

Ah, a well-rounded and literate contributor.

Nice to have you with us.


After I answer to the Coca Cola company ...

J. Clarke wrote:

As for American kids, well, they get plenty to eat. A sizable
percentage (no pun intended) are overweight. Across the world,
however, hungry children is a political problem, not one of
nutrition. Ponder this: There has never been a famine in a democracy.

I take it that Ireland is not a democracy in your view.

It wasn't in 1740. There's some confusion about the current situation.

wrote:
On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 07:13:38 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

I think it's sad that he survived. Now it will cost millions of
dollars to try him and every one of the victims' families will be
left with feelings of disgust, moreso than if he'd been killed, no
matter what the outcome of the trial. And the perp'll be forced to
house the guilt for the rest of his life, too. Sitrep: Lose/Lose.

Does the armed forces have a death penalty on conviction available?

Yes

Does the fact that the US is in Iraq mean that this is war time under
war rules?

Not applicable. There are a few violations that latch in during wartime
(desertion in the face of the enemy, etc.) but none that apply to Hasan.

Good chance he'll end up being dead anyway. Certainly if
he's imprisoned instead of executed, he'll have to be segregated. I'm
sure other convicts would be lining up to break his neck and not give
it a second thought.

He will be executed. A 2006 study found that of 21,000 courts martial, only
six defendants successfully used the insanity defense. UCMJ provides for
deciding insanity before trial. Specifically a 706 Panel will be asked to
answer four questions:

(1) At the time of the alleged crime, did the accused have a severe mental
disease or defect? (2)What is the psychiatric diagnosis? (3) At the time of
the alleged crime was the accused unable to appreciate the nature and
quality of his or her conduct due to this severe mental illness? (4) Does
the accused presently have a mental disease or defect that renders him or
her incapable of understanding the nature of the proceedings or to cooperate
intelligently in the defense?

Hasan gave away his **** before the attack, clearly demonstrating
premeditation. He yelled "Allah Akbar" clearly showing motive. He bought his
pistol a month in advance, demonstrating advance planning.

While a jury in San Francisco may look sympathetically on an insanity
defense, Hasan's jurors will be serving officers who **** Naplam and eat
rocks. They will NOT be inclined to entertain a pansy defense or a plea of
insanity as mitigation of the sentence.

On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:52:15 -0600, "HeyBub"
wrote:

He will be executed. A 2006 study found that of 21,000 courts martial, only

I hear that John Allen Muhammad is being executed today. A lot of
people don't like the idea of a death penalty and up here in Canada,
we haven't had one for many years. But, I believe some people needed
to be killed. Hassan is certainly one of them.

HeyBub wrote:

Good chance he'll end up being dead anyway. Certainly if
he's imprisoned instead of executed, he'll have to be segregated. I'm
sure other convicts would be lining up to break his neck and not give
it a second thought.

He will be executed. A 2006 study found that of 21,000 courts
martial, only six defendants successfully used the insanity defense.
UCMJ provides for deciding insanity before trial. Specifically a 706
Panel will be asked to answer four questions:


Even IF the military courts find him insane or sentence him to something
less than the death penalty, don't forget this business happened in the
state of Texas. If the sentence doesn't go appropriately, the state will
take a crack at the terrorist.

Texas, unlike the federal system, DOES actually execute those so sentenced.

HeyBub wrote:
HeyBub wrote:

Good chance he'll end up being dead anyway. Certainly if
he's imprisoned instead of executed, he'll have to be segregated.
I'm sure other convicts would be lining up to break his neck and
not give it a second thought.

He will be executed. A 2006 study found that of 21,000 courts
martial, only six defendants successfully used the insanity defense.
UCMJ provides for deciding insanity before trial. Specifically a 706
Panel will be asked to answer four questions:


Even IF the military courts find him insane or sentence him to
something less than the death penalty, don't forget this business
happened in the state of Texas. If the sentence doesn't go
appropriately, the state will take a crack at the terrorist.

Texas, unlike the federal system, DOES actually execute those so
sentenced.

"This business" happened on a Federal reservation--does the state of Texas
have any jurisdiction at all with regard to events that take place on
military bases?

"J. Clarke" wrote in message
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Snip


"This business" happened on a Federal reservation--does the state of Texas
have any jurisdiction at all with regard to events that take place on
military bases?



Apparently other entities do as the civilian police were the ones that
entered the area and shot the murderer.

Leon wrote:
"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
Snip


"This business" happened on a Federal reservation--does the state of
Texas have any jurisdiction at all with regard to events that take
place on military bases?



Apparently other entities do as the civilian police were the ones that
entered the area and shot the murderer.

The civilian police in this instance were sworn Federal officers in the
employ of the Department of Defense. It wasn't a case of a town cop rushing
onto the base.

Swingman wrote:
evodawg wrote:

Well lets not forget the State Run Media making excuses for this
lunatic or
terrorist. Making statements like our policies in Iraq and Afghanistan
caused him to go over the edge. What a bunch of Bull ****. The guy never
saw any active duty and went to Med School on our dime to the tune of
500,000.00............

This was as much an act of islamic terrorism as 9/11/2001.

"“Tragedy at Ft Hood” Lieutenant Colonel Allen B West (US Army, Ret)

This past Thursday 13 American Soldiers were killed and another 30
wounded at a horrific mass shooting at US Army installation, Ft Hood
Texas. As I watched in horror and then anger I recalled my two years of
final service in the Army as a Battalion Commander at Ft Hood, 2002-2004.

My wife and two daughters were stunned at the incident having lived on
the post in family housing.

A military installation, whether it is Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine, or
Coast Guard, is supposed to be a safe sanctuary for our Warriors and
their families. It is intended to provide a home whereby our “Band of
Brothers and Sisters” can find solace and bond beyond just the foxhole
but as family units.

A military installation is supposed to be a place where our Warriors
train for war, to serve and protect our Nation.

On Thursday, 5 November 2009 Ft Hood became a part of the battlefield in
the war against Islamic totalitarianism and state sponsored terrorism.

There may be those who feel threatened by my words and would even
recommend they not be uttered. To those individuals I say step aside
because now is not the time for cowardice. Our Country has become so
paralyzed by political correctness that we have allowed a vile and
determined enemy to breach what should be the safest place in America,
an Army post.

We have become so politically correct that our media is more concerned
about the stress of the shooter, Major Nidal Malik Hasan. The misplaced
benevolence intending to portray him as a victim is despicable. The fact
that there are some who have now created an entire new classification
called; “pre-virtual vicarious Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD)” is
unconscionable.

This is not a “man caused disaster”. It is what it is, an Islamic
jihadist attack.

We have seen this before in 2003 when a SGT Hasan of the 101st Airborne
Division (Air Assault) threw hand grenades and opened fire into his
Commanding Officer’s tent in Kuwait. We have seen the foiled attempt of
Albanian Muslims who sought to attack Ft Dix, NJ. Recently we saw a
young convert to Islam named Carlos Bledsoe travel to Yemen, receive
terrorist training, and return to gun down two US Soldiers at a Little
Rock, Arkansas Army recruiting station. We thwarted another Islamic
terrorist plot in North Carolina which had US Marine Corps Base,
Quantico as a target.

What have we done with all these prevalent trends? Nothing.

What we see are recalcitrant leaders who are refusing to confront the
issue, Islamic terrorist infiltration into America, and possibly further
into our Armed Services. Instead we have a multiculturalism and
diversity syndrome on steroids.

Major Hasan should have never been transferred to Ft Hood, matter of
fact he should have been Chaptered from the Army. His previous
statements, poor evaluation reports, and the fact that the FBI had him
under investigation for jihadist website posting should have been proof
positive.

However, what we have is a typical liberal approach to find a victim,
not the 13 and 30 Soldiers and Civilian, but rather the poor shooter. A
shooter who we are told was a great American, who loved the Army and
serving his Nation and the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR)
stating that his actions had nothing to do with religious belief.

We know that Major Hasan deliberately planned this episode; he did give
away his possessions. He stood atop a table in the confined space of the
Soldier Readiness Center shouting “Allahu Akhbar”, same chant as the
9-11 terrorists and those we fight against overseas in the Iraq and
Afghanistan theaters of operation.

No one in leadership seems willing to sound the alarm for the American
people; they are therefore complicit in any future attacks. Our Congress
should suspend the insidious action to vote on a preposterous and
unconstitutional healthcare bill and resolve the issue of “protecting
the American people”.

The recent incidents in Dearborn Michigan, Boston Massachusetts, Dallas
Texas, and Chicago Illinois should bear witness to the fact that we have
an Islamic terrorism issue in America. And don’t have CAIR call me and
try to issue a vanilla press statement; they are an illegitimate
terrorist associated organization which should be disbanded.

We have Saudi Arabia funding close to 80% of the mosques in the United
States, one right here in South Florida, Pompano Beach. Are we building
churches and synagogues in Saudi Arabia? Are “Kaffirs” and “Infidels”
allowed travel to Mecca?

So much for peaceful coexistence.

Saudi Arabia is sponsoring radical Imams who enter into our prisons and
convert young men into a virulent Wahabbist ideology….one resulting in
four individuals wanting to destroy synagogues in New York with plastic
explosives. Thank God the explosives were dummy. They are sponsoring
textbooks which present Islamic centric revisionist history in our schools.

We must recognize that there is an urgent need to separate the
theo-political radical Islamic ideology out of our American society. We
must begin to demand surveillance of suspected Imams and mosques that
are spreading hate and preaching the overthrow of our Constitutional
Republic……that speech is not protected under First Amendment, it is
sedition and if done by an American treason.

There should not be some 30 Islamic terrorist training camps in America
that has nothing to do with First Amendment, Freedom of Religion. The
Saudis are not our friends and any American political figure who
believes such is delusional.

When tolerance becomes a one way street it certainly leads to cultural
suicide. We are on that street. Liberals cannot be trusted to defend our
Republic, because their sympathies obviously lie with their perceived
victim, Major Nidal Malik Hasan.

I make no apologies for these words, and anyone angered by them, please,
go to Ft Hood and look into the eyes of the real victims. The tragedy at
Ft Hood Texas did not have to happen. Consider now the feelings of those
there and on every military installation in the world. Consider the
feelings of the Warriors deployed into combat zones who now are
concerned that their loved ones at home are in a combat zone.

Ft Hood suffered an Islamic jihadist attack, stop the denial, and
realize a simple point.

The reality of your enemy must become your own.

Steadfast and Loyal, Lieutenant Colonel Allen B West (US Army, Ret)"

Thank you, Col. West ...

--
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Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)

Tragic


But again, I am grateful that out great military leaders recognize what is
really going on. They are not the sheep.

Ironically, the health care fiasco being forced down our throats is probably
because the government knows we are going to need it as more of us are
gunned down and blown up.






"Swingman" wrote in message
...
Swingman wrote:
evodawg wrote:

Well lets not forget the State Run Media making excuses for this
lunatic or
terrorist. Making statements like our policies in Iraq and Afghanistan
caused him to go over the edge. What a bunch of Bull ****. The guy
never
saw any active duty and went to Med School on our dime to the tune of
500,000.00............

This was as much an act of islamic terrorism as 9/11/2001.

"“Tragedy at Ft Hood” Lieutenant Colonel Allen B West (US Army, Ret)

This past Thursday 13 American Soldiers were killed and another 30 wounded
at a horrific mass shooting at US Army installation, Ft Hood Texas. As I
watched in horror and then anger I recalled my two years of final service
in the Army as a Battalion Commander at Ft Hood, 2002-2004.

My wife and two daughters were stunned at the incident having lived on the
post in family housing.

A military installation, whether it is Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine, or
Coast Guard, is supposed to be a safe sanctuary for our Warriors and their
families. It is intended to provide a home whereby our “Band of Brothers
and Sisters” can find solace and bond beyond just the foxhole but as
family units.

A military installation is supposed to be a place where our Warriors train
for war, to serve and protect our Nation.

On Thursday, 5 November 2009 Ft Hood became a part of the battlefield in
the war against Islamic totalitarianism and state sponsored terrorism.

There may be those who feel threatened by my words and would even
recommend they not be uttered. To those individuals I say step aside
because now is not the time for cowardice. Our Country has become so
paralyzed by political correctness that we have allowed a vile and
determined enemy to breach what should be the safest place in America, an
Army post.

We have become so politically correct that our media is more concerned
about the stress of the shooter, Major Nidal Malik Hasan. The misplaced
benevolence intending to portray him as a victim is despicable. The fact
that there are some who have now created an entire new classification
called; “pre-virtual vicarious Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD)” is
unconscionable.

This is not a “man caused disaster”. It is what it is, an Islamic jihadist
attack.

We have seen this before in 2003 when a SGT Hasan of the 101st Airborne
Division (Air Assault) threw hand grenades and opened fire into his
Commanding Officer’s tent in Kuwait. We have seen the foiled attempt of
Albanian Muslims who sought to attack Ft Dix, NJ. Recently we saw a young
convert to Islam named Carlos Bledsoe travel to Yemen, receive terrorist
training, and return to gun down two US Soldiers at a Little Rock,
Arkansas Army recruiting station. We thwarted another Islamic terrorist
plot in North Carolina which had US Marine Corps Base, Quantico as a
target.

What have we done with all these prevalent trends? Nothing.

What we see are recalcitrant leaders who are refusing to confront the
issue, Islamic terrorist infiltration into America, and possibly further
into our Armed Services. Instead we have a multiculturalism and diversity
syndrome on steroids.

Major Hasan should have never been transferred to Ft Hood, matter of fact
he should have been Chaptered from the Army. His previous statements, poor
evaluation reports, and the fact that the FBI had him under investigation
for jihadist website posting should have been proof positive.

However, what we have is a typical liberal approach to find a victim, not
the 13 and 30 Soldiers and Civilian, but rather the poor shooter. A
shooter who we are told was a great American, who loved the Army and
serving his Nation and the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR)
stating that his actions had nothing to do with religious belief.

We know that Major Hasan deliberately planned this episode; he did give
away his possessions. He stood atop a table in the confined space of the
Soldier Readiness Center shouting “Allahu Akhbar”, same chant as the 9-11
terrorists and those we fight against overseas in the Iraq and Afghanistan
theaters of operation.

No one in leadership seems willing to sound the alarm for the American
people; they are therefore complicit in any future attacks. Our Congress
should suspend the insidious action to vote on a preposterous and
unconstitutional healthcare bill and resolve the issue of “protecting the
American people”.

The recent incidents in Dearborn Michigan, Boston Massachusetts, Dallas
Texas, and Chicago Illinois should bear witness to the fact that we have
an Islamic terrorism issue in America. And don’t have CAIR call me and try
to issue a vanilla press statement; they are an illegitimate terrorist
associated organization which should be disbanded.

We have Saudi Arabia funding close to 80% of the mosques in the United
States, one right here in South Florida, Pompano Beach. Are we building
churches and synagogues in Saudi Arabia? Are “Kaffirs” and “Infidels”
allowed travel to Mecca?

So much for peaceful coexistence.

Saudi Arabia is sponsoring radical Imams who enter into our prisons and
convert young men into a virulent Wahabbist ideology….one resulting in
four individuals wanting to destroy synagogues in New York with plastic
explosives. Thank God the explosives were dummy. They are sponsoring
textbooks which present Islamic centric revisionist history in our
schools.

We must recognize that there is an urgent need to separate the
theo-political radical Islamic ideology out of our American society. We
must begin to demand surveillance of suspected Imams and mosques that are
spreading hate and preaching the overthrow of our Constitutional
Republic……that speech is not protected under First Amendment, it is
sedition and if done by an American treason.

There should not be some 30 Islamic terrorist training camps in America
that has nothing to do with First Amendment, Freedom of Religion. The
Saudis are not our friends and any American political figure who believes
such is delusional.

When tolerance becomes a one way street it certainly leads to cultural
suicide. We are on that street. Liberals cannot be trusted to defend our
Republic, because their sympathies obviously lie with their perceived
victim, Major Nidal Malik Hasan.

I make no apologies for these words, and anyone angered by them, please,
go to Ft Hood and look into the eyes of the real victims. The tragedy at
Ft Hood Texas did not have to happen. Consider now the feelings of those
there and on every military installation in the world. Consider the
feelings of the Warriors deployed into combat zones who now are concerned
that their loved ones at home are in a combat zone.

Ft Hood suffered an Islamic jihadist attack, stop the denial, and realize
a simple point.

The reality of your enemy must become your own.

Steadfast and Loyal, Lieutenant Colonel Allen B West (US Army, Ret)"

Thank you, Col. West ...

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)

"Robatoy" wrote in message
...


I think it is Revelations that speaks of demons being cast to the
Earth towards the end times. They seem to be landing.....

Revelation... singular.

--

-Mike-

On Nov 20, 12:57*pm, "Mike Marlow"
wrote:
"Robatoy" wrote in message

...

I think it is Revelations that speaks of demons being cast to the
Earth towards the end times. They seem to be landing.....

Revelation... singular.

--

-Mike-


Thank you. Now I'll be able to find it again.