The shooting that every one has heard about in Fort Hood was tragic on so
many levels and continues to be.

My utmost respect goes out to the armed forces and my deepest sympathies to
the victims and their families.

It was tragic that so many were injured and killed.

It is tragic that the shooter is only being identified as a suspect rather
than "the shooter". Damn it, when there is a room full of eye witnesses
there is no suspect, there is only the one that committed the crime, the
witnesses and the victims, Plain and simple.

It is tragic that when the truth and facts are so blatantly clear that there
will still be days and days of investigations long before there is a trial.

It is tragic that the trial will last for months, maybe years.

It is tragic in this case that there will be a need for a trial.

It is tragic that our country has been steered to believe that one does not
have to fulfill his obligations or have any accountability.

It is tragic that justice is seldom truly served.

It is tragic that our country is filled with so many spineless and corrupt
politicians that truly rely on the ignorant, which are so easily deceived,
to vote them into office.

It is tragic that those politicians are committed to insuring that their
ignorant constituency becomes even more ignorant with each passing
generation. Think Public Education.

It is tragic that out politicians have appointed themselves as "our
keepers".

It is tragic that there is no longer any honor in winning. Think trophies
for every body and no longer keeping score so that there are no winners.

I am truly grateful that I recognize all of this and know that not so deep
down, evil is fueling all of the tragedies.

On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 18:12:04 -0600, "Leon"
wrote:

The shooting that every one has heard about in Fort Hood was tragic on so
many levels and continues to be.

My utmost respect goes out to the armed forces and my deepest sympathies to
the victims and their families.

It was tragic that so many were injured and killed.

It is tragic that the shooter is only being identified as a suspect rather
than "the shooter". Damn it, when there is a room full of eye witnesses
there is no suspect, there is only the one that committed the crime, the
witnesses and the victims, Plain and simple.

It is tragic that when the truth and facts are so blatantly clear that there
will still be days and days of investigations long before there is a trial.

It is tragic that the trial will last for months, maybe years.

It is tragic in this case that there will be a need for a trial.

It is tragic that our country has been steered to believe that one does not
have to fulfill his obligations or have any accountability.

It is tragic that justice is seldom truly served.

It is tragic that our country is filled with so many spineless and corrupt
politicians that truly rely on the ignorant, which are so easily deceived,
to vote them into office.

It is tragic that those politicians are committed to insuring that their
ignorant constituency becomes even more ignorant with each passing
generation. Think Public Education.

It is tragic that out politicians have appointed themselves as "our
keepers".

It is tragic that there is no longer any honor in winning. Think trophies
for every body and no longer keeping score so that there are no winners.

I am truly grateful that I recognize all of this and know that not so deep
down, evil is fueling all of the tragedies.



I couldn't agree with you more. Too many seek to blame "society" or
are too afraid of offending some whiney S.O.B. That's just plain Bull
****.

Damn you Leon, now you got me all fired up.

Gordon Shumway

What color do Smurfs become when they hold their breath?

Leon wrote:

The shooting that every one has heard about in Fort Hood was tragic on so
many levels and continues to be.

My utmost respect goes out to the armed forces and my deepest sympathies
to the victims and their families.

It was tragic that so many were injured and killed.

It is tragic that the shooter is only being identified as a suspect rather
than "the shooter". Damn it, when there is a room full of eye witnesses
there is no suspect, there is only the one that committed the crime, the
witnesses and the victims, Plain and simple.

It is tragic that when the truth and facts are so blatantly clear that
there will still be days and days of investigations long before there is a
trial.

It is tragic that the trial will last for months, maybe years.

It is tragic in this case that there will be a need for a trial.

It is tragic that our country has been steered to believe that one does
not have to fulfill his obligations or have any accountability.

It is tragic that justice is seldom truly served.

It is tragic that our country is filled with so many spineless and corrupt
politicians that truly rely on the ignorant, which are so easily deceived,
to vote them into office.

It is tragic that those politicians are committed to insuring that their
ignorant constituency becomes even more ignorant with each passing
generation. Think Public Education.

It is tragic that out politicians have appointed themselves as "our
keepers".

It is tragic that there is no longer any honor in winning. Think trophies
for every body and no longer keeping score so that there are no winners.

I am truly grateful that I recognize all of this and know that not so deep
down, evil is fueling all of the tragedies.

Well lets not forget the State Run Media making excuses for this lunatic or
terrorist. Making statements like our policies in Iraq and Afghanistan
caused him to go over the edge. What a bunch of Bull ****. The guy never
saw any active duty and went to Med School on our dime to the tune of
500,000.00............
--
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK"
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Website Address http://rentmyhusband.biz/

evodawg wrote:

Well lets not forget the State Run Media making excuses for this lunatic or
terrorist. Making statements like our policies in Iraq and Afghanistan
caused him to go over the edge. What a bunch of Bull ****. The guy never
saw any active duty and went to Med School on our dime to the tune of
500,000.00............

This was as much an act of islamic terrorism as 9/11/2001.

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Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)

Swingman wrote:

evodawg wrote:

Well lets not forget the State Run Media making excuses for this lunatic
or terrorist. Making statements like our policies in Iraq and Afghanistan
caused him to go over the edge. What a bunch of Bull ****. The guy never
saw any active duty and went to Med School on our dime to the tune of
500,000.00............

This was as much an act of islamic terrorism as 9/11/2001.


Ah, but we wouldn't want to jump to any conclusions until all the facts
are in, would we?

Could we at least say that Hassan "acted stupidly"?

/This PC crap is going to get us all killed

--

There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage

Rob Leatham

"Mark & Juanita" wrote in message
m...
Swingman wrote:
This was as much an act of islamic terrorism as 9/11/2001.


Ah, but we wouldn't want to jump to any conclusions until all the facts
are in, would we?

Oh noooooooooooo we surely would not. We cannot trust anyones recount of
what they actually witnessed during the slauder.
We woul surely need to see a video tape form several angles to verify all of
the statements. and if there was no video tape, well, who knows if all of
the witnesses just made all of this up.

Could we at least say that Hassan "acted stupidly"?

Absolutely. He acted stupidly for joining the armed forces when he had no
intention of fulfilling his obligation. He was very stupid.
A very stupid man. Still he has no excuse for murdering all of those
soldiers.


/This PC crap is going to get us all killed

Politicaly Correct in it self translates to stupidity. Yes it is going to
turn future generations in to the sheep that follow the political figures to
the slauter house.

Leon wrote:

/This PC crap is going to get us all killed

Politicaly Correct in it self translates to stupidity. Yes it is going to
turn future generations in to the sheep that follow the political figures
to the slauter house.

Think it already has. Did we not all see a year ago the sheep following the
Messiah to the voting booths. I also remember some fainting by just being
in his presence. I have zero confidence in the direction of this country.

--
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK"
Running Mandriva release 2008.0 free-i586 using KDE on i586
Website Address http://rentmyhusband.biz/

Swingman wrote:
evodawg wrote:

Well lets not forget the State Run Media making excuses for this
lunatic or
terrorist. Making statements like our policies in Iraq and Afghanistan
caused him to go over the edge. What a bunch of Bull ****. The guy never
saw any active duty and went to Med School on our dime to the tune of
500,000.00............

This was as much an act of islamic terrorism as 9/11/2001.

"“Tragedy at Ft Hood” Lieutenant Colonel Allen B West (US Army, Ret)

This past Thursday 13 American Soldiers were killed and another 30
wounded at a horrific mass shooting at US Army installation, Ft Hood
Texas. As I watched in horror and then anger I recalled my two years of
final service in the Army as a Battalion Commander at Ft Hood, 2002-2004.

My wife and two daughters were stunned at the incident having lived on
the post in family housing.

A military installation, whether it is Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine, or
Coast Guard, is supposed to be a safe sanctuary for our Warriors and
their families. It is intended to provide a home whereby our “Band of
Brothers and Sisters” can find solace and bond beyond just the foxhole
but as family units.

A military installation is supposed to be a place where our Warriors
train for war, to serve and protect our Nation.

On Thursday, 5 November 2009 Ft Hood became a part of the battlefield in
the war against Islamic totalitarianism and state sponsored terrorism.

There may be those who feel threatened by my words and would even
recommend they not be uttered. To those individuals I say step aside
because now is not the time for cowardice. Our Country has become so
paralyzed by political correctness that we have allowed a vile and
determined enemy to breach what should be the safest place in America,
an Army post.

We have become so politically correct that our media is more concerned
about the stress of the shooter, Major Nidal Malik Hasan. The misplaced
benevolence intending to portray him as a victim is despicable. The fact
that there are some who have now created an entire new classification
called; “pre-virtual vicarious Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD)” is
unconscionable.

This is not a “man caused disaster”. It is what it is, an Islamic
jihadist attack.

We have seen this before in 2003 when a SGT Hasan of the 101st Airborne
Division (Air Assault) threw hand grenades and opened fire into his
Commanding Officer’s tent in Kuwait. We have seen the foiled attempt of
Albanian Muslims who sought to attack Ft Dix, NJ. Recently we saw a
young convert to Islam named Carlos Bledsoe travel to Yemen, receive
terrorist training, and return to gun down two US Soldiers at a Little
Rock, Arkansas Army recruiting station. We thwarted another Islamic
terrorist plot in North Carolina which had US Marine Corps Base,
Quantico as a target.

What have we done with all these prevalent trends? Nothing.

What we see are recalcitrant leaders who are refusing to confront the
issue, Islamic terrorist infiltration into America, and possibly further
into our Armed Services. Instead we have a multiculturalism and
diversity syndrome on steroids.

Major Hasan should have never been transferred to Ft Hood, matter of
fact he should have been Chaptered from the Army. His previous
statements, poor evaluation reports, and the fact that the FBI had him
under investigation for jihadist website posting should have been proof
positive.

However, what we have is a typical liberal approach to find a victim,
not the 13 and 30 Soldiers and Civilian, but rather the poor shooter. A
shooter who we are told was a great American, who loved the Army and
serving his Nation and the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR)
stating that his actions had nothing to do with religious belief.

We know that Major Hasan deliberately planned this episode; he did give
away his possessions. He stood atop a table in the confined space of the
Soldier Readiness Center shouting “Allahu Akhbar”, same chant as the
9-11 terrorists and those we fight against overseas in the Iraq and
Afghanistan theaters of operation.

No one in leadership seems willing to sound the alarm for the American
people; they are therefore complicit in any future attacks. Our Congress
should suspend the insidious action to vote on a preposterous and
unconstitutional healthcare bill and resolve the issue of “protecting
the American people”.

The recent incidents in Dearborn Michigan, Boston Massachusetts, Dallas
Texas, and Chicago Illinois should bear witness to the fact that we have
an Islamic terrorism issue in America. And don’t have CAIR call me and
try to issue a vanilla press statement; they are an illegitimate
terrorist associated organization which should be disbanded.

We have Saudi Arabia funding close to 80% of the mosques in the United
States, one right here in South Florida, Pompano Beach. Are we building
churches and synagogues in Saudi Arabia? Are “Kaffirs” and “Infidels”
allowed travel to Mecca?

So much for peaceful coexistence.

Saudi Arabia is sponsoring radical Imams who enter into our prisons and
convert young men into a virulent Wahabbist ideology….one resulting in
four individuals wanting to destroy synagogues in New York with plastic
explosives. Thank God the explosives were dummy. They are sponsoring
textbooks which present Islamic centric revisionist history in our schools.

We must recognize that there is an urgent need to separate the
theo-political radical Islamic ideology out of our American society. We
must begin to demand surveillance of suspected Imams and mosques that
are spreading hate and preaching the overthrow of our Constitutional
Republic……that speech is not protected under First Amendment, it is
sedition and if done by an American treason.

There should not be some 30 Islamic terrorist training camps in America
that has nothing to do with First Amendment, Freedom of Religion. The
Saudis are not our friends and any American political figure who
believes such is delusional.

When tolerance becomes a one way street it certainly leads to cultural
suicide. We are on that street. Liberals cannot be trusted to defend our
Republic, because their sympathies obviously lie with their perceived
victim, Major Nidal Malik Hasan.

I make no apologies for these words, and anyone angered by them, please,
go to Ft Hood and look into the eyes of the real victims. The tragedy at
Ft Hood Texas did not have to happen. Consider now the feelings of those
there and on every military installation in the world. Consider the
feelings of the Warriors deployed into combat zones who now are
concerned that their loved ones at home are in a combat zone.

Ft Hood suffered an Islamic jihadist attack, stop the denial, and
realize a simple point.

The reality of your enemy must become your own.

Steadfast and Loyal, Lieutenant Colonel Allen B West (US Army, Ret)"

Thank you, Col. West ...

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)

Tragic


But again, I am grateful that out great military leaders recognize what is
really going on. They are not the sheep.

Ironically, the health care fiasco being forced down our throats is probably
because the government knows we are going to need it as more of us are
gunned down and blown up.






"Swingman" wrote in message
...
Swingman wrote:
evodawg wrote:

Well lets not forget the State Run Media making excuses for this
lunatic or
terrorist. Making statements like our policies in Iraq and Afghanistan
caused him to go over the edge. What a bunch of Bull ****. The guy
never
saw any active duty and went to Med School on our dime to the tune of
500,000.00............

This was as much an act of islamic terrorism as 9/11/2001.

"“Tragedy at Ft Hood” Lieutenant Colonel Allen B West (US Army, Ret)

This past Thursday 13 American Soldiers were killed and another 30 wounded
at a horrific mass shooting at US Army installation, Ft Hood Texas. As I
watched in horror and then anger I recalled my two years of final service
in the Army as a Battalion Commander at Ft Hood, 2002-2004.

My wife and two daughters were stunned at the incident having lived on the
post in family housing.

A military installation, whether it is Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine, or
Coast Guard, is supposed to be a safe sanctuary for our Warriors and their
families. It is intended to provide a home whereby our “Band of Brothers
and Sisters” can find solace and bond beyond just the foxhole but as
family units.

A military installation is supposed to be a place where our Warriors train
for war, to serve and protect our Nation.

On Thursday, 5 November 2009 Ft Hood became a part of the battlefield in
the war against Islamic totalitarianism and state sponsored terrorism.

There may be those who feel threatened by my words and would even
recommend they not be uttered. To those individuals I say step aside
because now is not the time for cowardice. Our Country has become so
paralyzed by political correctness that we have allowed a vile and
determined enemy to breach what should be the safest place in America, an
Army post.

We have become so politically correct that our media is more concerned
about the stress of the shooter, Major Nidal Malik Hasan. The misplaced
benevolence intending to portray him as a victim is despicable. The fact
that there are some who have now created an entire new classification
called; “pre-virtual vicarious Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD)” is
unconscionable.

This is not a “man caused disaster”. It is what it is, an Islamic jihadist
attack.

We have seen this before in 2003 when a SGT Hasan of the 101st Airborne
Division (Air Assault) threw hand grenades and opened fire into his
Commanding Officer’s tent in Kuwait. We have seen the foiled attempt of
Albanian Muslims who sought to attack Ft Dix, NJ. Recently we saw a young
convert to Islam named Carlos Bledsoe travel to Yemen, receive terrorist
training, and return to gun down two US Soldiers at a Little Rock,
Arkansas Army recruiting station. We thwarted another Islamic terrorist
plot in North Carolina which had US Marine Corps Base, Quantico as a
target.

What have we done with all these prevalent trends? Nothing.

What we see are recalcitrant leaders who are refusing to confront the
issue, Islamic terrorist infiltration into America, and possibly further
into our Armed Services. Instead we have a multiculturalism and diversity
syndrome on steroids.

Major Hasan should have never been transferred to Ft Hood, matter of fact
he should have been Chaptered from the Army. His previous statements, poor
evaluation reports, and the fact that the FBI had him under investigation
for jihadist website posting should have been proof positive.

However, what we have is a typical liberal approach to find a victim, not
the 13 and 30 Soldiers and Civilian, but rather the poor shooter. A
shooter who we are told was a great American, who loved the Army and
serving his Nation and the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR)
stating that his actions had nothing to do with religious belief.

We know that Major Hasan deliberately planned this episode; he did give
away his possessions. He stood atop a table in the confined space of the
Soldier Readiness Center shouting “Allahu Akhbar”, same chant as the 9-11
terrorists and those we fight against overseas in the Iraq and Afghanistan
theaters of operation.

No one in leadership seems willing to sound the alarm for the American
people; they are therefore complicit in any future attacks. Our Congress
should suspend the insidious action to vote on a preposterous and
unconstitutional healthcare bill and resolve the issue of “protecting the
American people”.

The recent incidents in Dearborn Michigan, Boston Massachusetts, Dallas
Texas, and Chicago Illinois should bear witness to the fact that we have
an Islamic terrorism issue in America. And don’t have CAIR call me and try
to issue a vanilla press statement; they are an illegitimate terrorist
associated organization which should be disbanded.

We have Saudi Arabia funding close to 80% of the mosques in the United
States, one right here in South Florida, Pompano Beach. Are we building
churches and synagogues in Saudi Arabia? Are “Kaffirs” and “Infidels”
allowed travel to Mecca?

So much for peaceful coexistence.

Saudi Arabia is sponsoring radical Imams who enter into our prisons and
convert young men into a virulent Wahabbist ideology….one resulting in
four individuals wanting to destroy synagogues in New York with plastic
explosives. Thank God the explosives were dummy. They are sponsoring
textbooks which present Islamic centric revisionist history in our
schools.

We must recognize that there is an urgent need to separate the
theo-political radical Islamic ideology out of our American society. We
must begin to demand surveillance of suspected Imams and mosques that are
spreading hate and preaching the overthrow of our Constitutional
Republic……that speech is not protected under First Amendment, it is
sedition and if done by an American treason.

There should not be some 30 Islamic terrorist training camps in America
that has nothing to do with First Amendment, Freedom of Religion. The
Saudis are not our friends and any American political figure who believes
such is delusional.

When tolerance becomes a one way street it certainly leads to cultural
suicide. We are on that street. Liberals cannot be trusted to defend our
Republic, because their sympathies obviously lie with their perceived
victim, Major Nidal Malik Hasan.

I make no apologies for these words, and anyone angered by them, please,
go to Ft Hood and look into the eyes of the real victims. The tragedy at
Ft Hood Texas did not have to happen. Consider now the feelings of those
there and on every military installation in the world. Consider the
feelings of the Warriors deployed into combat zones who now are concerned
that their loved ones at home are in a combat zone.

Ft Hood suffered an Islamic jihadist attack, stop the denial, and realize
a simple point.

The reality of your enemy must become your own.

Steadfast and Loyal, Lieutenant Colonel Allen B West (US Army, Ret)"

Thank you, Col. West ...

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)

On Nov 6, 7:12*pm, "Leon" wrote:
The shooting that every one has heard about in Fort Hood was tragic on so
many levels and continues to be.

My utmost respect goes out to the armed forces and my deepest sympathies to
the victims and their families.

It was tragic that so many were injured and killed.

It is tragic that the shooter is only being identified as a suspect rather
than "the shooter". *Damn it, when there is a room full of eye witnesses
there is no suspect, there is only the one that committed the crime, the
witnesses and the victims, *Plain and simple.

It is tragic that when the truth and facts are so blatantly clear that there
will still be days and days of investigations long before there is a trial.

It is tragic that the trial will last for months, maybe years.

It is tragic in this case that there will be a need for a trial.

It is tragic that our country has been steered to believe that one does not
have to fulfill his obligations or have any accountability.

It is tragic that justice is seldom truly served.

It is tragic that our country is filled with so many spineless and corrupt
politicians that truly rely on the ignorant, which are so easily deceived,
to vote them into office.

It is tragic that those politicians are committed to insuring that their
ignorant constituency becomes even more ignorant with each passing
generation. * Think Public Education.

It is tragic that out politicians have appointed themselves as "our
keepers".

It is tragic that there is no longer any honor in winning. *Think trophies
for every body and no longer keeping score so that there are no winners.

I am truly grateful that I recognize all of this and know that not so deep
down, evil is fueling all of the tragedies.

I think it is Revelations that speaks of demons being cast to the
Earth towards the end times. They seem to be landing.....

"Robatoy" wrote in message
...


I think it is Revelations that speaks of demons being cast to the
Earth towards the end times. They seem to be landing.....

Revelation... singular.

--

-Mike-

On Nov 20, 12:57*pm, "Mike Marlow"
wrote:
"Robatoy" wrote in message

...

I think it is Revelations that speaks of demons being cast to the
Earth towards the end times. They seem to be landing.....

Revelation... singular.

--

-Mike-


Thank you. Now I'll be able to find it again.

"Leon" wrote in
:

The shooting that every one has heard about in Fort Hood was tragic on
so many levels and continues to be.

My utmost respect goes out to the armed forces and my deepest
sympathies to the victims and their families.

It was tragic that so many were injured and killed.

It is tragic that the shooter is only being identified as a suspect
rather than "the shooter". Damn it, when there is a room full of eye
witnesses there is no suspect, there is only the one that committed
the crime, the witnesses and the victims, Plain and simple.

It is tragic that when the truth and facts are so blatantly clear that
there will still be days and days of investigations long before there
is a trial.

It is tragic that the trial will last for months, maybe years.

It is tragic in this case that there will be a need for a trial.

It is tragic that our country has been steered to believe that one
does not have to fulfill his obligations or have any accountability.

It is tragic that justice is seldom truly served.

It is tragic that our country is filled with so many spineless and
corrupt politicians that truly rely on the ignorant, which are so
easily deceived, to vote them into office.

It is tragic that those politicians are committed to insuring that
their ignorant constituency becomes even more ignorant with each
passing generation. Think Public Education.

It is tragic that out politicians have appointed themselves as "our
keepers".

It is tragic that there is no longer any honor in winning. Think
trophies for every body and no longer keeping score so that there are
no winners.

I am truly grateful that I recognize all of this and know that not so
deep down, evil is fueling all of the tragedies.

I ully agree with the above!!

I have never been and hope not ever to be in the position of a
psychiatrist who has been treating PTSD in so many people. I thougth
there was something like a rule that psychiatrists needed to be under the
care of a psychiatrist.

Whether this guy was a muslim, an agnost or right wing christian has
nothing to do with his apparent mental disease.

Just my opinion, YMMV and probably does
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

"Leon" writes:
The shooting that every one has heard about in Fort Hood was tragic on so
many levels and continues to be.

Is it any more tragic than the fellow in cleveland who murdered 11 women?

Why aren't you ranting about him?

"Scott Lurndal" wrote in message
...
"Leon" writes:
The shooting that every one has heard about in Fort Hood was tragic on so
many levels and continues to be.

Is it any more tragic than the fellow in cleveland who murdered 11 women?

Why aren't you ranting about him?


What is his name?

"Leon" asked::

Google "anthony sowell" or go straight to Cleveland Plain Dealer for
details of this sexual predator and his trail of bodies.

Lew

Was it because his neighbors referred to him as "number 9" ???

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33766545...shington_post/