PDQ wrote:


"Mark & Juanita" wrote in message
m...
PDQ wrote:


... snip

Agreed. I never buy on credit unless the money is already in my
account to pay for the purchase when the VISA bill arrives.

The trouble with credit is that sooner or later the wolf will come
calling and usually when one can least afford to pay up.


Something I have always done is to set up my accounting such that I
have
credit card "reserve" accounts (with computer-based accounting systems,
this is now easier than ever). Whenever I use a credit card, I treat the
transaction just as if it were a check and deduct the amount to the
appropriate (Discover, Amex, MasterCard, etc.) reserve account. Then,
when the monthly bill comes in, the correct reserve amount is transferred
back
into the checking account and the bill paid. Makes it real easy to see
how much money one has available at any time and there are no surprises
when the card bill shows up.



Must have taken a course in double entry accounting at some point.


Nope, it's just something that made sense. I'm an engineer by training
but have been tapped into technical management. I don't have any formal
accounting training, but working with our accounting folks, the rules and
tracking all seem pretty common-sense and fairly easy to follow.


All I have ever done is trust my little pea-brain to keep a running total
and my will power to keep out of the pot when there is not enough to cover
the cost of an item.

Thusfar, I have never gone hungry.

P D Q

If it works for you, that is all that matters.

I usually relate my approach to members of the younger generation to
hopefully provide them with some ideas of ways to keep themselves out of
trouble. In our current instant-gratification society, I figure if we can
help keep a few people from getting up to their eyeballs in debt, we've
done them a service.




--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough

--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough

PDQ wrote:

All I have ever done is trust my little pea-brain to keep a running
total and my will power to keep out of the pot when there is not
enough to cover the cost of an item.

Are you not on Lee Valley's catalog mailing list?

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

Yup. Just cause I am does not mean I over-shop there.

I do manage a few nice trinkets from time to time.

P D Q

"Morris Dovey" wrote in message ...
PDQ wrote:

All I have ever done is trust my little pea-brain to keep a running
total and my will power to keep out of the pot when there is not
enough to cover the cost of an item.

Are you not on Lee Valley's catalog mailing list?

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

On Sun, 1 Feb 2009 14:13:08 -0800 (PST), Charlie Self
wrote:

On Feb 1, 10:17Â*am, "Swingman" wrote:
"Morris Dovey" wrote

I cut up all my credit cards more than 30 years ago and did without a lot
of instant gratification - and struggled through some pretty thin times
with what I had. There isn't much I can say without offending a lot of
people - so I won't.

Au contraire ... if meekly accepting 18 - 30% interest on credit card debt,
in itself a clear manifestation of rampant ignorance/stupidity, is not
offensive, it's rather doubtful your words can be.

--www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)

We haven't cut ours up. The repose in a drawer in case of emergency
need. Every once in a bit, we charge something, and pay it off when
the bill arrives...I often use them for gas purchases now that drive-
aways are such a PITA. Most places today demand payment inside before
pumping, or a credit card. I save the walk and use the card. We very
seldom use more than $150 worth of gas a month. Actually, we very
seldom use more than $100 worth a month, UNLESS MobilExxon ow whatever
its name is this week decides to up prices.

They're handy on trips, too, as a source of emergency funds if nothing
else.

Getting my job yanked out from under me a few years ago taught me
something about credit, as well as about Woodcraft.

I have a credit card (mastercard) that gives points useable for buying
groceries (president's choice - lablaws) and I charge just about
everything I buy, both personal and business on that card, and pay it
off every month. Buys a fair bit of free groceries every year!!

In article ,

Mark & Juanita wrote:

...snipped...
What did people THINK was going to happen when they elected liberal
statists to office? That somehow they were going to get fiscal restraint
and fiscal responsibility?



Well, if they based their decision on the budget performance of Republican
vs Democratic administrations over the last 30 years or so, yes.




--
Better to be stuck up in a tree than tied to one.

Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar.org

Mark & Juanita wrote:

Something I have always done is to set up my accounting such that I have
credit card "reserve" accounts (with computer-based accounting systems,
this is now easier than ever). Whenever I use a credit card, I treat the
transaction just as if it were a check and deduct the amount to the
appropriate (Discover, Amex, MasterCard, etc.) reserve account. Then, when
the monthly bill comes in, the correct reserve amount is transferred back
into the checking account and the bill paid. Makes it real easy to see how
much money one has available at any time and there are no surprises when
the card bill shows up.


I do nearly same thing, in Quicken, with direct deposited paychecks and
a simple budget.

Since I'm only spending money I have, there's never a problem. I HATE
dealing with cash and change, and greatly prefer plastic. I rarely have
more than $20-30 in cash on my person. Sometimes, I can carry the same
$20 for weeks! G

My wife and I also use reserve accounts for discretionary personal
spending money. I can't remember the last money argument.

Larry W wrote:

In article ,

Mark & Juanita wrote:

...snipped...
What did people THINK was going to happen when they elected liberal
statists to office? That somehow they were going to get fiscal restraint
and fiscal responsibility?



Well, if they based their decision on the budget performance of Republican
vs Democratic administrations over the last 30 years or so, yes.


You're a funny man. Naive, but funny

--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough

B A R R Y wrote:

Mark & Juanita wrote:

Something I have always done is to set up my accounting such that I
have
credit card "reserve" accounts (with computer-based accounting systems,
this is now easier than ever). Whenever I use a credit card, I treat the
transaction just as if it were a check and deduct the amount to the
appropriate (Discover, Amex, MasterCard, etc.) reserve account. Then,
when the monthly bill comes in, the correct reserve amount is transferred
back
into the checking account and the bill paid. Makes it real easy to see
how much money one has available at any time and there are no surprises
when the card bill shows up.


I do nearly same thing, in Quicken, with direct deposited paychecks and
a simple budget.

Since I'm only spending money I have, there's never a problem. I HATE
dealing with cash and change, and greatly prefer plastic. I rarely have
more than $20-30 in cash on my person. Sometimes, I can carry the same
$20 for weeks! G

My wife and I also use reserve accounts for discretionary personal
spending money. I can't remember the last money argument.

Yep. Works great, doesn't it?

Of course, we are the ones who are going to be punished for doing the
right thing while those in over their heads are going to get debt
forgiveness. What a world we live in.

--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough

Mark & Juanita wrote:

Yep. Works great, doesn't it?

Of course, we are the ones who are going to be punished for doing the
right thing while those in over their heads are going to get debt
forgiveness. What a world we live in.


I know... 8^(

My wife and I always lived by the rule that if you can't tell each other
how much something costs, and how we're going to pay for it, it
shouldn't be bought. We've also always had our retirement and
cash-reserve savings direct debited from our paychecks, forcing us to
live on what's left.

I'm not against responsibly used debt of reasonable cost. But, WOW! I
can't believe the level of creative financing and self-lying that's out
there! I'm still being stunned daily how short so many folks were
willing to sell themselves for _stuff_...

Many on this forum are plenty willing to work, and in many cases do
extra and side work to get ahead. The host of my favorite finance radio
show, Ray Lucia, talks of people who will contact his show for help, and
in some cases really only need $100-200/mo. to keep their head above
water or maybe even right the ship. When he would suggest a second job,
even if it's bagging groceries or delivering pizza, they'd get insulted!
In extreme cases, folks would lose a car to a repo, or hammer their
credit rating, before being seen working a part-time, entry level job.

So... even those acting responsibly are getting hammered in the ol'
investment portfolio, home values, and even on the job.

On Feb 3, 2:05*pm, B A R R Y wrote:
Mark & Juanita wrote:

* Yep. Works great, doesn't it?

* Of course, we are the ones who are going to be punished for doing the
right thing while those in over their heads are going to get debt
forgiveness. *What a world we live in.

I know... *8^(

My wife and I always lived by the rule that if you can't tell each other
how much something costs, and how we're going to pay for it, it
shouldn't be bought. *We've also always had our retirement and
cash-reserve savings direct debited from our paychecks, forcing us to
live on what's left.

I'm not against responsibly used debt of reasonable cost. *But, WOW! *I
can't believe the level of creative financing and self-lying that's out
there! * *I'm still being stunned daily how short so many folks were
willing to sell themselves for _stuff_...

Many on this forum are plenty willing to work, and in many cases do
extra and side work to get ahead. *The host of my favorite finance radio
show, Ray Lucia, talks of people who will contact his show for help, and
in some cases really only need $100-200/mo. to keep their head above
water or maybe even right the ship. *When he would suggest a second job,
even if it's bagging groceries or delivering pizza, they'd get insulted!
* In extreme cases, folks would lose a car to a repo, or hammer their
credit rating, before being seen working a part-time, entry level job.

So... *even those acting responsibly are getting hammered in the ol'
investment portfolio, home values, and even on the job.

The wind seldom blows on one man's igloo alone. ( The first in a
series of eskimo sounding logic. Brace yourself for more as I make
them up.)

I just wish the damn media would stop milking these crisis. The 'Sky
Is Falling' is making things worse. People are hoarding their money. I
stopped by the Chev/Caddy dealer yesterday before going to Toronto.
His lot is jammed solid with cars. Jammed solid. ONE salesman on the
floor. The rest couldn't get out of bed...no customers. People are
fixing instead of trading and if a new car is sold, it's in the 15K
range..no money in deals like that.
Then, on the way back from Toronto, I saw this Volvo Truck parking lot
(you can see it from the 401) also, jammed full of new trucks. Again,
fixing not trading. And yet, the Suzuki car plant delivery lot was
sparsely filled a few thousand vehicles only. Could be they're not
making many, or they are selling lots.

People tend to learn in times like this. Those of us who remember
getting the financial **** kicked out of us back in the early '80's
are doing okay.
With financing, a $23K car ends up costing $40K and the end value when
the loan is paid will be $6K. Where is the common sense in that?

To see some idiot getting a bail-out while Ang & I work hard to keep
our financial house in order ****es me off to no end.

"Robatoy" wrote in message
To see some idiot getting a bail-out while Ang & I work hard to keep
our financial house in order ****es me off to no end.

All completely understandable, but you're failing to mention the
alternative. That "idiot" who receives a bail-out is going to put his
bail-out money back into the system. If enough of those "idiots" appear on
the scene and don't survive the recession because they didn't a get
bail-out, then a significant or different portion of the economy goes down
the tubes supporting those "idiots" who end up on welfare just to survive.

The question is which scenario is going to cost you more? And, it depends
on who is getting the bail-out? If it's a company carrying executives with
multi-million dollar salaries with golden parachutes protecting them, then
getting ****ed of is fine as far as I'm concerned. But, if it really is the
little person on the end who benefits by just being about to put food on the
table and maintain a place to sleep, then I for one, would have trouble
staying angry at that state of affairs.

Robatoy wrote:
The wind seldom blows on one man's igloo alone. ( The first in a
series of eskimo sounding logic. Brace yourself for more as I make
them up.)

I just wish the damn media would stop milking these crisis. The 'Sky
Is Falling' is making things worse. People are hoarding their money. I
stopped by the Chev/Caddy dealer yesterday before going to Toronto.
His lot is jammed solid with cars. Jammed solid. ONE salesman on the
floor. The rest couldn't get out of bed...no customers. People are
fixing instead of trading and if a new car is sold, it's in the 15K
range..no money in deals like that.
Then, on the way back from Toronto, I saw this Volvo Truck parking lot
(you can see it from the 401) also, jammed full of new trucks. Again,
fixing not trading. And yet, the Suzuki car plant delivery lot was
sparsely filled a few thousand vehicles only. Could be they're not
making many, or they are selling lots.

People tend to learn in times like this. Those of us who remember
getting the financial **** kicked out of us back in the early '80's
are doing okay.
With financing, a $23K car ends up costing $40K and the end value when
the loan is paid will be $6K. Where is the common sense in that?

To see some idiot getting a bail-out while Ang & I work hard to keep
our financial house in order ****es me off to no end.

What happened to the rest of the Eskimo logic you promised us? :-)

--
See Nad. See Nad go. Go Nad!
To reply, eat the taco.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboyee/

On Feb 3, 5:32*pm, Steve Turner wrote:
Robatoy wrote:
The wind seldom blows on one man's igloo alone. ( The first in a
series of eskimo sounding logic. Brace yourself for more as I make
them up.)

I just wish the damn media would stop milking these crisis. The 'Sky
Is Falling' is making things worse. People are hoarding their money. I
stopped by the Chev/Caddy dealer yesterday before going to Toronto.
His lot is jammed solid with cars. Jammed solid. ONE salesman on the
floor. The rest couldn't get out of bed...no customers. People are
fixing instead of trading and if a new car is sold, it's in the 15K
range..no money in deals like that.
Then, on the way back from Toronto, I saw this Volvo Truck parking lot
(you can see it from the 401) also, jammed full of new trucks. Again,
fixing not trading. And yet, the Suzuki car plant delivery lot was
sparsely filled a few thousand vehicles only. Could be they're not
making many, or they are selling lots.

People tend to learn in times like this. Those of us who remember
getting the financial **** kicked out of us back in the early '80's
are doing okay.
With financing, a $23K car ends up costing $40K and the end value when
the loan is paid will be $6K. Where is the common sense in that?

To see some idiot getting a bail-out while Ang & I work hard to keep
our financial house in order ****es me off to no end.

What happened to the rest of the Eskimo logic you promised us? *:-)

--
See Nad. *See Nad go. *Go Nad!
To reply, eat the taco.http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboyee/

I will be spreading those out over other posts. Never more than one
per post. No exceptions. *smirk*

Robatoy wrote:

The wind seldom blows on one man's igloo alone. ( The first in a
series of eskimo sounding logic. Brace yourself for more as I make
them up.)

I'm sure we will enjoy them!

I just wish the damn media would stop milking these crisis. The 'Sky
Is Falling' is making things worse.

I agree.

"B A R R Y" wrote in message
...
Robatoy wrote:
The wind seldom blows on one man's igloo alone. ( The first in a
series of eskimo sounding logic. Brace yourself for more as I make
them up.)

I'm sure we will enjoy them!

I just wish the damn media would stop milking these crisis. The 'Sky
Is Falling' is making things worse.

I agree.

I blame the media for much of the oil price climb. It became a self
fulfilling prophecy and people watched the price of oil like it was the
score of a football game. Hooray, we set another record. Let's try for
more tomorrow!

IMO, the economy will improve once people get over the fact that it is bad
and get back to normal habits.

On Feb 3, 9:51*pm, "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
"B A R R Y" wrote in om...

Robatoy wrote:
*The wind seldom blows on one man's igloo alone. ( The first in a
series of eskimo sounding logic. Brace yourself for more as I make
them up.)

I'm sure we will enjoy them!

I just wish the damn media would stop milking these crisis. The 'Sky
Is Falling' is making things worse.

I agree.

I blame the media for much of the oil price climb. *It became a self
fulfilling prophecy and people watched the price of oil like it was the
score of a football game. *Hooray, *we set another record. *Let's try for
more tomorrow!

IMO, the economy will improve once people get over the fact that it is bad
and get back to normal habits.

Yeah. It's a helluva lot better to not know what's happening.

"Charlie Self" wrote in message
...
On Feb 3, 9:51 pm, "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
"B A R R Y" wrote in
om...

Robatoy wrote:
The wind seldom blows on one man's igloo alone. ( The first in a
series of eskimo sounding logic. Brace yourself for more as I make
them up.)

I'm sure we will enjoy them!

I just wish the damn media would stop milking these crisis. The 'Sky
Is Falling' is making things worse.

I agree.

I blame the media for much of the oil price climb. It became a self
fulfilling prophecy and people watched the price of oil like it was the
score of a football game. Hooray, we set another record. Let's try for
more tomorrow!

IMO, the economy will improve once people get over the fact that it is bad
and get back to normal habits.

Yeah. It's a helluva lot better to not know what's happening.

=========
The distance between knowing the facts and watching the news is so vast that
it's not even worth the comment.

I just wish the damn media would stop milking these crisis. The 'Sky
Is Falling' is making things worse.



Well, if you think sex sells, you're wrong. *Fear* sells. With the death
of the nightly news and the creation of "news for profit", fear has been
selling ever since.

my $.02, not adjusted for inflation.

On Feb 11, 1:49*pm, "Joe" wrote:
I just wish the damn media would stop milking these crisis. The 'Sky
Is Falling' is making things worse.

Well, if you think sex sells, you're wrong. **Fear* sells. *With the death
of the nightly news and the creation of "news for profit", fear has been
selling ever since.

my $.02, not adjusted for inflation.

Yes, and as long as a blithering nut-job like Bill O'Really shills
Faux News right-wing press releases, including typos, there will be
idiots who buy their crap hook, line and sinker.

"Hot diggidy-damn, Martha, you know what Limbaugh said today?"

Human beings are capable of only 2 emotions. Love and fear. Left and
Right. That's how the Bankers Manifesto of 1892 wants it. Keep us
apart.. because should the population ever band together and get
their pitchforks and torches out, look out bankers.

Joe wrote:

Well, if you think sex sells, you're wrong. *Fear* sells. With the death
of the nightly news and the creation of "news for profit", fear has been
selling ever since.

You're not kidding...

I've also noticed how much TV "News" is actually ads for network shows
disguised as entertainment news and regurgitated press releases.

Let's not forget stringing viewers along for an entire 30 minutes, to
see a complete weather forecast that can be had in seconds off the 'net.

Great reasons to _buy_ and read newspapers, as well as access to good
newspaper web sites.

Joe wrote:



I just wish the damn media would stop milking these crisis. The 'Sky
Is Falling' is making things worse.



Well, if you think sex sells, you're wrong. *Fear* sells. With the death
of the nightly news and the creation of "news for profit", fear has been
selling ever since.

More like "news for ideology"



--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough

"Mark & Juanita" wrote in message
m...
Joe wrote:



I just wish the damn media would stop milking these crisis. The 'Sky
Is Falling' is making things worse.



Well, if you think sex sells, you're wrong. *Fear* sells. With the
death
of the nightly news and the creation of "news for profit", fear has been
selling ever since.

More like "news for ideology"



--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough

Good point.

jc

"Joe" writes:


I just wish the damn media would stop milking these crisis. The 'Sky
Is Falling' is making things worse.



Well, if you think sex sells, you're wrong. *Fear* sells. With the death
of the nightly news and the creation of "news for profit", fear has been
selling ever since.


Look. You got four, maybe five 24-hour news networks with 1440 minutes to fill
each and every day. If you don't have viewers, you don't have ratings and
you don't get advertisers to fill 20 minutes per hour of commercials. So
everything becomes a crisis.

scott

"Scott Lurndal" wrote in message
om...
"Joe" writes:


I just wish the damn media would stop milking these crisis. The 'Sky
Is Falling' is making things worse.



Well, if you think sex sells, you're wrong. *Fear* sells. With the death
of the nightly news and the creation of "news for profit", fear has been
selling ever since.


Look. You got four, maybe five 24-hour news networks with 1440 minutes to
fill
each and every day. If you don't have viewers, you don't have ratings
and
you don't get advertisers to fill 20 minutes per hour of commercials. So
everything becomes a crisis.

scott


heavy sarcasm mode on

Yeah, *that* makes it all right.

heavy sarcasm mode off

"Joe" writes:

"Scott Lurndal" wrote in message
. com...
"Joe" writes:


I just wish the damn media would stop milking these crisis. The 'Sky
Is Falling' is making things worse.



Well, if you think sex sells, you're wrong. *Fear* sells. With the death
of the nightly news and the creation of "news for profit", fear has been
selling ever since.


Look. You got four, maybe five 24-hour news networks with 1440 minutes to
fill
each and every day. If you don't have viewers, you don't have ratings
and
you don't get advertisers to fill 20 minutes per hour of commercials. So
everything becomes a crisis.

scott


heavy sarcasm mode on

Yeah, *that* makes it all right.

heavy sarcasm mode off



Hey, don't think I'm defending the model. Most of the 24-hour news
networks output is a joke. One and all.

scott

"Scott Lurndal" wrote in message
m...
"Joe" writes:

"Scott Lurndal" wrote in message
.com...
"Joe" writes:


I just wish the damn media would stop milking these crisis. The 'Sky
Is Falling' is making things worse.



Well, if you think sex sells, you're wrong. *Fear* sells. With the
death
of the nightly news and the creation of "news for profit", fear has been
selling ever since.


Look. You got four, maybe five 24-hour news networks with 1440 minutes
to
fill
each and every day. If you don't have viewers, you don't have ratings
and
you don't get advertisers to fill 20 minutes per hour of commercials.
So
everything becomes a crisis.

scott


heavy sarcasm mode on

Yeah, *that* makes it all right.

heavy sarcasm mode off



Hey, don't think I'm defending the model. Most of the 24-hour news
networks output is a joke. One and all.

scott

My mistake Scott, I thought you *were* defending them. Oops. :-)

jc

Robatoy wrote in

om:

On Feb 11, 1:49*pm, "Joe" wrote:
I just wish the damn media would stop milking these crisis. The
'Sky Is Falling' is making things worse.

Well, if you think sex sells, you're wrong. **Fear* sells.
*With the
death
of the nightly news and the creation of "news for profit", fear
has been selling ever since.

my $.02, not adjusted for inflation.

Yes, and as long as a blithering nut-job like Bill O'Really
shills Faux News right-wing press releases

Clearly you've never watched his show.

"Joe" wrote in
:



I just wish the damn media would stop milking these crisis. The
'Sky Is Falling' is making things worse.

Don't worry, once the Pork Bill passes and is signed into law the
reporting will suddenly turn positive, even before the first dollar
is wast^h^h^h^h spent.

On Feb 13, 3:40*pm, Larrybud wrote:
Robatoy wrote
om:

On Feb 11, 1:49*pm, "Joe" wrote:
I just wish the damn media would stop milking these crisis. The
'Sky Is Falling' is making things worse.

Well, if you think sex sells, you're wrong. **Fear* sells.
*With the
death
of the nightly news and the creation of "news for profit", fear
has been selling ever since.

my $.02, not adjusted for inflation.

Yes, and as long as a blithering nut-job like Bill O'Really
shills Faux News right-wing press releases

Clearly you've never watched his show.

I have watched his show, more than once. Therefore, I drew the
conclusion that O'Reilly is indeed a blthering idiot...maybe not of
the same calibre as MegaNutJobs Glenn Beck and Rush (Pills)
Limbaugh...but a nut-job nonetheless.

Robatoy wrote:
On Feb 13, 3:40 pm, Larrybud wrote:
Robatoy wrote
om:

On Feb 11, 1:49 pm, "Joe" wrote:
I just wish the damn media would stop milking these crisis. The
'Sky Is Falling' is making things worse.
Well, if you think sex sells, you're wrong. *Fear* sells.
With the
death
of the nightly news and the creation of "news for profit", fear
has been selling ever since.
my $.02, not adjusted for inflation.
Yes, and as long as a blithering nut-job like Bill O'Really
shills Faux News right-wing press releases
Clearly you've never watched his show.

I have watched his show, more than once. Therefore, I drew the
conclusion that O'Reilly is indeed a blthering idiot...maybe not of
the same calibre as MegaNutJobs Glenn Beck and Rush (Pills)
Limbaugh...but a nut-job nonetheless.

I might suggest that any watcher of these guys read what they have to
say on their websites. Absent the histrionics, it gets even
funnier/scarier/stranger/sillier... Read/study the transcripts of his
radio show.
mahalo,
jo4hn

On 13 Feb 2009 20:41:24 GMT, Larrybud wrote:

"Joe" wrote in
:



I just wish the damn media would stop milking these crisis. The
'Sky Is Falling' is making things worse.

Don't worry, once the Pork Bill passes and is signed into law the
reporting will suddenly turn positive, even before the first dollar
is wast^h^h^h^h spent.


The worst is yet to come. Hope you don't have any children--they will
will pay highly for all this. They should not call it a "Stimulus
Package." Currently I'm layed off--I want a job, not an extenstion
of unemployment benefits. What part of the Stimulus Package is going
to get me back to work? In a typical year I pay well over $18,000
in federal taxes, in 2008, my federal taxes were $260.

No work = Less federal tax dollars.

Hello inflation, hello higher taxes.

Phisherman wrote:

Currently I'm layed off--I want a job, not an extenstion
of unemployment benefits.

Care to talk off-list?

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

Phisherman wrote:

On 13 Feb 2009 20:41:24 GMT, Larrybud wrote:

"Joe" wrote in
t:



I just wish the damn media would stop milking these crisis. The
'Sky Is Falling' is making things worse.

Don't worry, once the Pork Bill passes and is signed into law the
reporting will suddenly turn positive, even before the first dollar
is wast^h^h^h^h spent.


The worst is yet to come. Hope you don't have any children--they will
will pay highly for all this. They should not call it a "Stimulus
Package." Currently I'm layed off--I want a job, not an extenstion
of unemployment benefits. What part of the Stimulus Package is going
to get me back to work? In a typical year I pay well over $18,000
in federal taxes, in 2008, my federal taxes were $260.

No work = Less federal tax dollars.

Hello inflation, hello higher taxes.

There seems to be a lot of that going on, I was laid off in December after
over 20 years with the same company. It isn't just happenning in the
States, I got a letter from the federal government this week denying me any
unemployment benefits, seems I made too much money when I was working, and
as my severance package was just a bit better than the legal minimum here
in Canada.

Out of over 70 people that used to work there, there is now a total of six,
and they were all just handed a 15% pay cut.

--
Froz...

Scott Lurndal wrote:

Look. You got four, maybe five 24-hour news networks with 1440
minutes to fill each and every day. If you don't have viewers, you
don't have ratings and you don't get advertisers to fill 20 minutes
per hour of commercials. So everything becomes a crisis.


Uh, the news shows didn't create the "crisis," nor do they use the word to
describe the situation when a better word would do.

The network newscasters are merely quoting the President of the United
States. If you think the word "crisis" is extreme, send a note to the White
House.

On Feb 14, 1:51*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
Scott Lurndal wrote:

Look. You got four, maybe five 24-hour news networks with 1440
minutes to fill each and every day. * If you don't have viewers, you
don't have ratings and you don't get advertisers to fill 20 minutes
per hour of commercials. * So everything becomes a crisis.

Uh, the news shows didn't create the "crisis," nor do they use the word to
describe the situation when a better word would do.

The network newscasters are merely quoting the President of the United
States. If you think the word "crisis" is extreme, send a note to the White
House.

I'm still looking for somebody in this thread who thought the word
'crisis' was extreme.
What I did read, was that the news media milks the bejeesus out of any
and all crisis to fill the space between commercials.
And when the likes of Faux News do quote the President, it is usually
out of context with the sole purpose of trying to whitewash their own,
totally defeated and inept agenda.

If you are suggesting that the over-hyping (ANY over-selling) of the
current crisis does NOT affect the psyche of the population. you're
not going be doing well on Madison Ave. Advertisers count on people's
inability to tell the difference between real and fabricated diseases,
facts. products and crisis.
People buy the crisis, because they are told there is one.
Putting a magnifying glass on somebody's blistered toe, does not mean
the rest of the person is ready for burial. The news media, of all
persuasions, loves to look for that one turd in the meadow of flowers.
And we ARE affected by that. That negative **** wears people down. "Oh
bother...why get up in the morning..we're all going to hell in a hand-
basket anyway..oh bother."
Get a grip, okay, HeyBub?

Phisherman wrote:
On 13 Feb 2009 20:41:24 GMT, Larrybud wrote:

"Joe" wrote in
:


I just wish the damn media would stop milking these crisis. The
'Sky Is Falling' is making things worse.
Don't worry, once the Pork Bill passes and is signed into law the
reporting will suddenly turn positive, even before the first dollar
is wast^h^h^h^h spent.


The worst is yet to come. Hope you don't have any children--they will
will pay highly for all this. They should not call it a "Stimulus
Package." Currently I'm layed off--I want a job, not an extenstion
of unemployment benefits. What part of the Stimulus Package is going
to get me back to work? In a typical year I pay well over $18,000
in federal taxes, in 2008, my federal taxes were $260.

No work = Less federal tax dollars.

Hello inflation, hello higher taxes.
Burger Barn is hiring. This is the type of job you will be offered.

Robatoy wrote:

Human beings are capable of only 2 emotions. Love and fear. Left and
Right. That's how the Bankers Manifesto of 1892 wants it. Keep us
apart.. because should the population ever band together and get
their pitchforks and torches out, look out bankers.

There are four primal emotions:

The Limbic System (our "lizard brain") controls the four F's: Flight, Fight,
Feeding, and Reproduction.

Robatoy wrote:

I'm still looking for somebody in this thread who thought the word
'crisis' was extreme.
What I did read, was that the news media milks the bejeesus out of any
and all crisis to fill the space between commercials.
And when the likes of Faux News do quote the President, it is usually
out of context with the sole purpose of trying to whitewash their own,
totally defeated and inept agenda.

If you are suggesting that the over-hyping (ANY over-selling) of the
current crisis does NOT affect the psyche of the population. you're
not going be doing well on Madison Ave. Advertisers count on people's
inability to tell the difference between real and fabricated diseases,
facts. products and crisis.
People buy the crisis, because they are told there is one.
Putting a magnifying glass on somebody's blistered toe, does not mean
the rest of the person is ready for burial. The news media, of all
persuasions, loves to look for that one turd in the meadow of flowers.
And we ARE affected by that. That negative **** wears people down. "Oh
bother...why get up in the morning..we're all going to hell in a hand-
basket anyway..oh bother."
Get a grip, okay, HeyBub?

Oh, I agree that the news programs hype the unusual. "If it bleeds, it
leads." But that's the way it has always been.

There's a verse in Numbers in chronicling the history of the Jews: "And for
30 years peace reigned throughout the land." That's it! Nothing worth
mentioning happened for 30 years! Another example is the situation in Iraq.
Since children are laughing, shops are open, people are voting, there's no
news! Normal stuff isn't worth mentioning.

Now as to your complaint about whether there's actually a "crisis." Yes,
there is, but it's not what the politicians and the news directors point to.
In fact, just about every "crisis" or large difficulty is the result of an
up-stream, failed, liberal experiment. Banking, homelessness, education, war
on terror, illegitimate births, you-name-it. That's the crisis: giving
credit to ideas from the loons.

HeyBub wrote:
Robatoy wrote:
I'm still looking for somebody in this thread who thought the word
'crisis' was extreme.
What I did read, was that the news media milks the bejeesus out of any
and all crisis to fill the space between commercials.
And when the likes of Faux News do quote the President, it is usually
out of context with the sole purpose of trying to whitewash their own,
totally defeated and inept agenda.

If you are suggesting that the over-hyping (ANY over-selling) of the
current crisis does NOT affect the psyche of the population. you're
not going be doing well on Madison Ave. Advertisers count on people's
inability to tell the difference between real and fabricated diseases,
facts. products and crisis.
People buy the crisis, because they are told there is one.
Putting a magnifying glass on somebody's blistered toe, does not mean
the rest of the person is ready for burial. The news media, of all
persuasions, loves to look for that one turd in the meadow of flowers.
And we ARE affected by that. That negative **** wears people down. "Oh
bother...why get up in the morning..we're all going to hell in a hand-
basket anyway..oh bother."
Get a grip, okay, HeyBub?

Oh, I agree that the news programs hype the unusual. "If it bleeds, it
leads." But that's the way it has always been.

There's a verse in Numbers in chronicling the history of the Jews: "And for
30 years peace reigned throughout the land." That's it! Nothing worth
mentioning happened for 30 years! Another example is the situation in Iraq.
Since children are laughing, shops are open, people are voting, there's no
news! Normal stuff isn't worth mentioning.

Now as to your complaint about whether there's actually a "crisis." Yes,
there is, but it's not what the politicians and the news directors point to.
In fact, just about every "crisis" or large difficulty is the result of an
up-stream, failed, liberal experiment. Banking, homelessness, education, war
on terror, illegitimate births, you-name-it. That's the crisis: giving
credit to ideas from the loons.


Blame! Yes, let's blame the liberals. Blame women. Blame Jews. Blame
ideologues. That's a lot simpler than trying to understand and
characterize the problem and formulating a solution. And it makes me
feel superior. And comforted.
hallelujah,
j4

On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:50:37 -0600, "HeyBub"
wrote:

In fact, just about every "crisis" or large difficulty is the result of an
up-stream, failed, liberal experiment. Banking, homelessness, education, war
on terror, illegitimate births, you-name-it. That's the crisis: giving
credit to ideas from the loons.

Like the annual "war on Christmas?"



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