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Truly waterproof glue and waterproof finish
I am probably daft for even considering it, but I am thinking of
building a wooden bird bath to stand permanently in my garden. Can anyone tell me if there is a glue out there that will stand being constantly immersed in water and is there a finish that will waterproof and preserve the timber without poisoning the birds or tainting the water? While I have your attention any suggestions as to the timber? Gary(UK) |
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Gary Dean wrote:
I am probably daft for even considering it, but I am thinking of building a wooden bird bath to stand permanently in my garden. Can anyone tell me if there is a glue out there that will stand being constantly immersed in water and is there a finish that will waterproof and preserve the timber without poisoning the birds or tainting the water? While I have your attention any suggestions as to the timber? Gary(UK) West Epoxy will satisfy all you asked for, but it will still need something to protect it (and the wood) from UV. Richard |
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Gary Dean wrote:
I am probably daft for even considering it, but I am thinking of building a wooden bird bath to stand permanently in my garden. Can anyone tell me if there is a glue out there that will stand being constantly immersed in water and is there a finish that will waterproof and preserve the timber without poisoning the birds or tainting the water? While I have your attention any suggestions as to the timber? Resorcinol glue is generally preferred for bonds that will be immersed in water. WEST epoxy, System 3, or any other good epoxy should also work. As for a finish that's non-toxic and good for continuous immersion, you're better off with a plastic liner. There aren't any really good choices for lumber--the woods that stand up well when continuously wet are difficult to bond. -- -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 08:40:48 +0100, Gary Dean
wrote: I am probably daft for even considering it, but I am thinking of building a wooden bird bath to stand permanently in my garden. Can anyone tell me if there is a glue out there that will stand being constantly immersed in water and is there a finish that will waterproof and preserve the timber without poisoning the birds or tainting the water? While I have your attention any suggestions as to the timber? Gary(UK) I'm sure you can use a marine epoxy varnish--not cheap. I guess white oak would work, but any plastic or concrete bird bath will outlast the wood. |
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On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 08:40:48 +0100, Gary Dean
wrote: I am probably daft for even considering it, but I am thinking of building a wooden bird bath to stand permanently in my garden. Can anyone tell me if there is a glue out there that will stand being constantly immersed in water and is there a finish that will waterproof and preserve the timber without poisoning the birds or tainting the water? While I have your attention any suggestions as to the timber? Gary(UK) Epoxies and Polyurethanes are supposed to be waterproof. For the bowl itself, however, you might want to consider designing in the manner of redwood water tanks that are held together mechanically and rely on the swelling of the wood for seal. Can you get redwood or something similar in the UK? Frank |
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Frank Boettcher wrote in
: On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 08:40:48 +0100, Gary Dean wrote: I am probably daft for even considering it, but I am thinking of building a wooden bird bath to stand permanently in my garden. Can anyone tell me if there is a glue out there that will stand being constantly immersed in water and is there a finish that will waterproof and preserve the timber without poisoning the birds or tainting the water? While I have your attention any suggestions as to the timber? Gary(UK) Epoxies and Polyurethanes are supposed to be waterproof. For the bowl itself, however, you might want to consider designing in the manner of redwood water tanks that are held together mechanically and rely on the swelling of the wood for seal. Can you get redwood or something similar in the UK? Frank That sounds to me like a great idea. Maybe an old whiskey barrel? Clearing out the contents would enhance the enjoyment one gets from the project. There used to be (and maybe still is) a technique for building boats whereby strips of wood are attached to a frame. When finished, the boat is launched, whereupon it fills with water since it leaks like a sieve. Once thoroughly soaked, the water is pumped or bailed out, and the swelling keeps the boat practically water-tight. Rot-resistant wood would be best grin. The building method was cheap and very popular in Holland http://www.fast351.com/boating/16m2/16m2.jpg is an example of the boats, but I can't find a good web site refereencing the building method. The boats used to be taken out during the winter, and repainted, I believe. -- Best regards Han email address is invalid |
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On Jul 5, 7:59*am, Han wrote:
Frank Boettcher wrote : On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 08:40:48 +0100, Gary Dean wrote: I am probably daft for even considering it, but I am thinking of building a wooden bird bath to stand permanently in my garden. *Can anyone tell me if there is a glue out there that will stand being constantly immersed in water and is there a finish that will waterproof and preserve the timber without poisoning the birds or tainting the water? While I have your attention any suggestions as to the timber? Gary(UK) Epoxies and Polyurethanes are supposed to be waterproof. For the bowl itself, however, you might want to consider designing in the manner of redwood water tanks that are held together mechanically and rely on the swelling of the wood for seal. *Can you get redwood or something similar in the UK? Frank That sounds to me like a great idea. *Maybe an old whiskey barrel? * Clearing out the contents would enhance the enjoyment one gets from the project. There used to be (and maybe still is) a technique for building boats whereby strips of wood are attached to a frame. *When finished, the boat is launched, whereupon it fills with water since it leaks like a sieve. * Once thoroughly soaked, the water is pumped or bailed out, and the swelling keeps the boat practically water-tight. *Rot-resistant wood would be best grin. *The building method was cheap and very popular in Holland http://www.fast351.com/boating/16m2/16m2.jpg is an example of the boats, but I can't find a good web site refereencing the building method. *The boats used to be taken out during the winter, and repainted, I believe. -- Best regards Han email address is invalid That looks like a BM. I spent an entire summer camp learning how to sail one before they let us have Rainbows for the next year's camp. There had to have been thousands of those around...or at least, there appeared to be back then. Memories. |
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Robatoy wrote:
On Jul 5, 7:59Â*am, Han wrote: Frank Boettcher wrote : On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 08:40:48 +0100, Gary Dean wrote: I am probably daft for even considering it, but I am thinking of building a wooden bird bath to stand permanently in my garden. Â*Can anyone tell me if there is a glue out there that will stand being constantly immersed in water and is there a finish that will waterproof and preserve the timber without poisoning the birds or tainting the water? While I have your attention any suggestions as to the timber? Gary(UK) Epoxies and Polyurethanes are supposed to be waterproof. For the bowl itself, however, you might want to consider designing in the manner of redwood water tanks that are held together mechanically and rely on the swelling of the wood for seal. Â*Can you get redwood or something similar in the UK? Frank That sounds to me like a great idea. Â*Maybe an old whiskey barrel? Clearing out the contents would enhance the enjoyment one gets from the project. There used to be (and maybe still is) a technique for building boats whereby strips of wood are attached to a frame. Â*When finished, the boat is launched, whereupon it fills with water since it leaks like a sieve. Once thoroughly soaked, the water is pumped or bailed out, and the swelling keeps the boat practically water-tight. Â*Rot-resistant wood would be best grin. Â*The building method was cheap and very popular in Holland http://www.fast351.com/boating/16m2/16m2.jpg is an example of the boats, but I can't find a good web site refereencing the building method. Â*The boats used to be taken out during the winter, and repainted, I believe. -- Best regards Han email address is invalid That looks like a BM. Bowel Movement? -- Froz... |
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FrozenNorth wrote in
: Robatoy wrote: On Jul 5, 7:59Â*am, Han wrote: Frank Boettcher wrote : On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 08:40:48 +0100, Gary Dean wrote: I am probably daft for even considering it, but I am thinking of building a wooden bird bath to stand permanently in my garden. Â*Can anyone tell me if there is a glue out there that will stand being constantly immersed in water and is there a finish that will waterproof and preserve the timber without poisoning the birds or tainting the water? While I have your attention any suggestions as to the timber? Gary(UK) Epoxies and Polyurethanes are supposed to be waterproof. For the bowl itself, however, you might want to consider designing in the manner of redwood water tanks that are held together mechanically and rely on the swelling of the wood for seal. Â*Can you get redwood or something similar in the UK? Frank That sounds to me like a great idea. Â*Maybe an old whiskey barrel? Clearing out the contents would enhance the enjoyment one gets from the project. There used to be (and maybe still is) a technique for building boats whereby strips of wood are attached to a frame. Â*When finished, the boat is launched, whereupon it fills with water since it leaks like a sieve. Once thoroughly soaked, the water is pumped or bailed out, and the swelling keeps the boat practically water-tight. Â*Rot-resistant wood would be best grin. Â*The building method was cheap and very popular in Holland http://www.fast351.com/boating/16m2/16m2.jpg is an example of the boats, but I can't find a good web site refereencing the building method. Â*The boats used to be taken out during the winter, and repainted, I believe. -- Best regards Han email address is invalid That looks like a BM. Bowel Movement? Bulthuis Method. Guy invented the system to make el cheapo boats (for that era, pre-WWII I believe). The disadvantage was that making sharp bows was difficult. The blunt bows caused a lot of spray, especially on those lakes with short chop, like Sneekermeer. -- Best regards Han email address is invalid |
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"Gary Dean" wrote in message ... I am probably daft for even considering it, but I am thinking of building a wooden bird bath to stand permanently in my garden. Can anyone tell me if there is a glue out there that will stand being constantly immersed in water and is there a finish that will waterproof and preserve the timber without poisoning the birds or tainting the water? While I have your attention any suggestions as to the timber? Gary(UK) I'd line the inside with glass cloth and polyester resin, same as used for boats. |
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"Gary Dean" wrote in message ... I am probably daft for even considering it, but I am thinking of building a wooden bird bath to stand permanently in my garden. Can anyone tell me if there is a glue out there that will stand being constantly immersed in water and is there a finish that will waterproof and preserve the timber without poisoning the birds or tainting the water? While I have your attention any suggestions as to the timber? That sounds like a fine idea. You are right that constant immersion requires a special glue, more than just weatherproof and as others have said you need to worry about UV light. You _can_ do the job by using boat building timbers, adhesives and finishes but if it was me I would want to put it in the garden and leave it to weather so use a timber suitable for outside use like a good dense oak or a cedar, line the bowl with a bit of roofing lead beaten into shape with a rubber mallet, sit the foot on a piece of stone to keep it off the wet ground, design and join in such a way that it will be resistant to seasonal soaking, freezing, baking and drying and it sounds like a really cool project. Good luck. Tim W |
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Thanks Fellas
There are some very useful suggestions in there and will get back to you when I have finished the bath and given it a season or two to weather in. Gary Gary Dean wrote: I am probably daft for even considering it, but I am thinking of building a wooden bird bath to stand permanently in my garden. Can anyone tell me if there is a glue out there that will stand being constantly immersed in water and is there a finish that will waterproof and preserve the timber without poisoning the birds or tainting the water? While I have your attention any suggestions as to the timber? Gary(UK) |
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