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I want a * low priced* ' waterproof ' glue to glue some wood together out
in the garden. Thats in all weathers, (London u.k. which means: rainy). I went to Wickes and bought a tub of white PVA ' Waterproof ' glue. Gluing some chopsticks together overnight and then soaking them in water for an hour next morning, the glue lost all strength in adhesion. Have I been robbed, and that could not really be called waterproof or am I asking for too much? Any suggestions on a *low priced* waterproof glue please? Years ago in the woodworking class at school we used to have pots of glue (made I think from horses hooves or something similar) that we used to heat over boiling water to get it to be soft enough to use. Is it still possible to get this type of glue? It must have been cheap for our school to use it, but I have no idea if it's waterproof of not. Any suggestions please ? Thanks. |
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![]() "johngood_____" wrote in message ... I want a * low priced* ' waterproof ' glue to glue some wood together out in the garden. Thats in all weathers, (London u.k. which means: rainy). I went to Wickes and bought a tub of white PVA ' Waterproof ' glue. Gluing some chopsticks together overnight and then soaking them in water for an hour next morning, the glue lost all strength in adhesion. Have I been robbed, and that could not really be called waterproof or am I asking for too much? Any suggestions on a *low priced* waterproof glue please? Years ago in the woodworking class at school we used to have pots of glue (made I think from horses hooves or something similar) that we used to heat over boiling water to get it to be soft enough to use. Is it still possible to get this type of glue? It must have been cheap for our school to use it, but I have no idea if it's waterproof of not. Any suggestions please ? Thanks. If you read the directions on "waterproof" glues, most are not for immersion. Use an epoxy. There are no cheap ones, but cheap glue is very expensive when it does not work. In the US, Titebond III is one of the best regular glues, but I'm not sure if it is readily available in the UK. . |
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On Apr 27, 8:02*am, "johngood_____" wrote:
I want a * low priced* *' waterproof ' glue to glue some wood together out in the garden. Thats in all weathers, *(London u.k. which means: *rainy). I went to Wickes and bought a tub of white PVA ' Waterproof ' glue. *Gluing some chopsticks together overnight and then soaking them in water for an hour next morning, the glue lost all strength in adhesion. * Have I been robbed, and that could not really be called waterproof or am I asking for too much? Any suggestions on a *low priced* waterproof glue please? * Years ago in the woodworking class at school we used to have pots of glue (made I think from horses hooves or something similar) that we used to heat over boiling water to get it to be soft enough to use. Is it still possible to get this type of glue? *It must have been cheap for our school to use it, but I have no idea if it's waterproof of not. *Any suggestions please ? *Thanks. Waterproof glue is not ment to be soaked in water but only to resist water and dampness. You might try gorilla glue, it is a expanding type glue ment for outdoors, it may solve your problem without going to a epoxy. I have an articule on outdoor glues on my web site under outdoor projects.. tips.. Randy http://nokeswoodworks.com |
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johngood_____ wrote:
I want a * low priced* ' waterproof ' glue to glue some wood together out in the garden. Thats in all weathers, (London u.k. which means: rainy). I went to Wickes and bought a tub of white PVA ' Waterproof ' glue. Gluing some chopsticks together overnight and then soaking them in water for an hour next morning, the glue lost all strength in adhesion. Have I been robbed, and that could not really be called waterproof or am I asking for too much? Any suggestions on a *low priced* waterproof glue please? Years ago in the woodworking class at school we used to have pots of glue (made I think from horses hooves or something similar) that we used to heat over boiling water to get it to be soft enough to use. Is it still possible to get this type of glue? It must have been cheap for our school to use it, but I have no idea if it's waterproof of not. Any suggestions please ? Thanks. Practically any glue that doesn't come in the form of a water-based liquid is probably a good start. Hot-melt glue sticks. Two-part adhesives. Anything a wooden boat builder uses. I use powder Cascamite. However, my absolute favourite where there are gaps to fill* is powder Aerolite. Absolutely brilliant stuff - I could tell you lots of tales of how successful it has been for me. * eg if the joinery is a bit rough and ready. Aerolite powder isn't cheap, at first glance. However, it keeps. Years. and Years. and Years. Rather than buying glue every year, using a little and having to throw the rest away (BTDTGTTS) - one tub of Aerolite will last until the last spoonful has been used. Which works out at heck of a lot cheaper, if you only need a little now and then. -- Sue |
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Palindrome wrote:
snip Anything a wooden boat builder uses. Nowadays that's epoxy, and nothing else. At least it is in the small boat market, things might be different on windjammers. Cascamite and aerolite used to be used, but I think not any more. Andy |
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"johngood_____" writes: I want a * low priced* ' waterproof ' glue to glue some wood together out in the garden. Thats in all weathers, (London u.k. which means: rainy). I went to Wickes and bought a tub of white PVA ' Waterproof ' glue. Gluing some chopsticks together overnight and then soaking them in water for an hour next morning, the glue lost all strength in adhesion. Have I been robbed, and that could not really be called waterproof or am I asking for too much? Waterproof PVA (which is really EVA) is only waterproof as an additive in a cement/mortar mix. I expect it says that on the tin. -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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On Apr 27, 9:02 am, "johngood_____" wrote:
I want a * low priced* ' waterproof ' glue to glue some wood together out in the garden. Thats in all weathers, (London u.k. which means: rainy). I went to Wickes and bought a tub of white PVA ' Waterproof ' glue. Gluing some chopsticks together overnight and then soaking them in water for an hour next morning, the glue lost all strength in adhesion. Have I been robbed, and that could not really be called waterproof or am I asking for too much? It might have done better had you let it cure longer. But I doubt that it would have held up for long. Any suggestions on a *low priced* waterproof glue please? Years ago in the woodworking class at school we used to have pots of glue (made I think from horses hooves or something similar) that we used to heat over boiling water to get it to be soft enough to use. Is it still possible to get this type of glue? Yes, it is called hide glue. It is available in beads to be mixed and used as you did in high school and is also available in bottles liquid form. Hide glue is not waterproof. It must have been cheap for our school to use it, but I have no idea if it's waterproof of not. Any suggestions please ? Thanks. The two types of glue used to make wooden boats and airplanes are epoxy and resourcinol (sp?) I think that the newer polyurethane glues are also completely waterproof, but may be too brittle for airplanes or boats which flex a lot more than most furniture. Storing polyurethane glues after the bottle has been opened as they react with moisture in the air. So it is not economical to buy it in larger containers unless it will all be used relatively rapidly. Whichever of those is the lowest in price will be as low as you can get I would think. There are many epoxies on the market. FWIW the mil-spec for waterproof glue requires that the glued joint survive being boiled in water. A number of epoxies fail that test due to the temperature. For ordinary conditions, AFAIK, all epoxies are water-proof. -- FF |
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Fred the Red Shirt wrote:
Any suggestions on a *low priced* waterproof glue please? Years ago in the woodworking class at school we used to have pots of glue (made I think from horses hooves or something similar) that we used to heat over boiling water to get it to be soft enough to use. Is it still possible to get this type of glue? Yes, it is called hide glue. It is available in beads to be mixed and used as you did in high school and is also available in bottles liquid form. Hide glue is not waterproof. That it can be steamed loose to redo the joint is why musical instrument makers/restorers like it. |
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On Apr 27, 3:45 pm, "DGDevin" wrote:
Fred the Red Shirt wrote: Any suggestions on a *low priced* waterproof glue please? Years ago in the woodworking class at school we used to have pots of glue (made I think from horses hooves or something similar) that we used to heat over boiling water to get it to be soft enough to use. Is it still possible to get this type of glue? Yes, it is called hide glue. It is available in beads to be mixed and used as you did in high school and is also available in bottles liquid form. Hide glue is not waterproof. That it can be steamed loose to redo the joint is why musical instrument makers/restorers like it. It also doesn't creep under string tension. |
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On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:40:00 -0700, Father Haskell wrote:
Yes, it is called hide glue. It is available in beads to be mixed and used as you did in high school and is also available in bottles liquid form. Hide glue is not waterproof. That it can be steamed loose to redo the joint is why musical instrument makers/restorers like it. It also doesn't creep under string tension. It also isn't waterproof :-). |
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On Apr 27, 10:47 pm, Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:40:00 -0700, Father Haskell wrote: Yes, it is called hide glue. It is available in beads to be mixed and used as you did in high school and is also available in bottles liquid form. Hide glue is not waterproof. That it can be steamed loose to redo the joint is why musical instrument makers/restorers like it. It also doesn't creep under string tension. It also isn't waterproof :-). Only a problem if you use your violin for an oar. |
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johngood_____ wrote:
I want a * low priced* ' waterproof ' glue to glue some wood together out in the garden. Thats in all weathers, (London u.k. which means: rainy). I went to Wickes and bought a tub of white PVA ' Waterproof ' glue. Gluing some chopsticks together overnight and then soaking them in water for an hour next morning, the glue lost all strength in adhesion. Have I been robbed, and that could not really be called waterproof or am I asking for too much? Not a good idea - "waterproof" glue is normally only water resistant and if you soak anything 'stuck' with it in water then it will simply come apart. Any suggestions on a *low priced* waterproof glue please? Years ago in the woodworking class at school we used to have pots of glue (made I think from horses hooves or something similar) that we used to heat over boiling water to get it to be soft enough to use. Is it still possible to get this type of glue? It must have been cheap for our school to use it, but I have no idea if it's waterproof of not. Any suggestions please ? Thanks. johngood. Don't use that stuff outside - that will come apart in any 'damp' conditions let alone being soaked for days on end in the garden. A 'cheap' glue isn't much good in these situations! I have used Evostick Resin W (a water resistant) glue for external use, Cascamite (a powdered glue that once mixed is water resistant) and Unibond PVA to very good effect externally. Also, if you are trying to 'stick' tanalised, other treated timber - or even Teak, you will have problems getting some glues to properly stick. Tanner-'op |
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On Apr 27, 9:02 am, "johngood_____" wrote:
I want a * low priced* ' waterproof ' glue to glue some wood together out in the garden. Thats in all weathers, (London u.k. which means: rainy). I went to Wickes and bought a tub of white PVA ' Waterproof ' glue. Gluing some chopsticks together overnight and then soaking them in water for an hour next morning, the glue lost all strength in adhesion. Have I been robbed, and that could not really be called waterproof or am I asking for too much? Any suggestions on a *low priced* waterproof glue please? Years ago in the woodworking class at school we used to have pots of glue (made I think from horses hooves or something similar) that we used to heat over boiling water to get it to be soft enough to use. Is it still possible to get this type of glue? It must have been cheap for our school to use it, but I have no idea if it's waterproof of not. Any suggestions please ? Thanks. Tightbond Type II is supposed to be water-resistant, but a quick soaking in hot water dissolves hardened glue from knives. Polyurethane glue is waterproof. I have cellar window casings I set in block ten years ago with Pro-Bond (Elmer's brand) that look like I glued them in yesterday. |
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johngood_____ wrote:
I want a * low priced* ' waterproof ' glue to glue some wood together out in the garden. Thats in all weathers, (London u.k. which means: rainy). I went to Wickes and bought a tub of white PVA ' Waterproof ' glue. Gluing some chopsticks together overnight and then soaking them in water for an hour next morning, the glue lost all strength in adhesion. Have I been robbed, and that could not really be called waterproof or am I asking for too much? Any suggestions on a *low priced* waterproof glue please? Years ago in the woodworking class at school we used to have pots of glue (made I think from horses hooves or something similar) that we used to heat over boiling water to get it to be soft enough to use. Is it still possible to get this type of glue? It must have been cheap for our school to use it, but I have no idea if it's waterproof of not. Any suggestions please ? Thanks. Chopsticks, eh? You were thinking of hide glue, perhaps? Can still get it and probably on line if you do a google search. Chopsticks are wood? Bamboo? You might get a better bond if you can drill a fine hole in the center and glue in a toothpick ro something to bridge the break. Gook luck ![]() would probably work as well as anything. |
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Norminn wrote: johngood_____ wrote: I want a * low priced* ' waterproof ' glue to glue some wood together out in the garden. Thats in all weathers, (London u.k. which means: rainy). I went to Wickes and bought a tub of white PVA ' Waterproof ' glue. Gluing some chopsticks together overnight and then soaking them in water for an hour next morning, the glue lost all strength in adhesion. Have I been robbed, and that could not really be called waterproof or am I asking for too much? Any suggestions on a *low priced* waterproof glue please? Years ago in the woodworking class at school we used to have pots of glue (made I think from horses hooves or something similar) that we used to heat over boiling water to get it to be soft enough to use. Is it still possible to get this type of glue? It must have been cheap for our school to use it, but I have no idea if it's waterproof of not. Any suggestions please ? Thanks. Chopsticks, eh? You were thinking of hide glue, perhaps? Can still get it and probably on line if you do a google search. Chopsticks are wood? Bamboo? You might get a better bond if you can drill a fine hole in the center and glue in a toothpick ro something to bridge the break. Gook luck ![]() would probably work as well as anything. I don't think the OP was actually trying to repair chopsticks, just using them as scrap wood to test the glue. I also don't think he let the glue cure fully. Overnight isn't very long in the glue world. |
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![]() clipped Chopsticks, eh? You were thinking of hide glue, perhaps? Can still get it and probably on line if you do a google search. Chopsticks are wood? Bamboo? You might get a better bond if you can drill a fine hole in the center and glue in a toothpick ro something to bridge the break. Gook luck ![]() would probably work as well as anything. I don't think the OP was actually trying to repair chopsticks, just using them as scrap wood to test the glue. I also don't think he let the glue cure fully. Overnight isn't very long in the glue world. Well, that's kind of like asking what is strong enough to lift a mouse when you are planning on lifting a truck with a mouse inside. In the case of the truck, an overnight soak would probably allow the mouse to survive if it finds an air pocket ![]() |
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johngood_____ wrote:
I want a * low priced* ' waterproof ' glue to glue some wood together out in the garden. Thats in all weathers, (London u.k. which means: rainy). Think nail. |
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johngood_____ wrote: I want a * low priced* ' waterproof ' glue to glue some wood together out in the garden. Thats in all weathers, (London u.k. which means: rainy). Think nail. HeyBub, Think rust! |
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Tanner-'op wrote:
HeyBub wrote: johngood_____ wrote: I want a * low priced* ' waterproof ' glue to glue some wood together out in the garden. Thats in all weathers, (London u.k. which means: rainy). Think nail. HeyBub, Think rust! SS? -- |
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dpb wrote:
Tanner-'op wrote: HeyBub wrote: johngood_____ wrote: I want a * low priced* ' waterproof ' glue to glue some wood together out in the garden. Thats in all weathers, (London u.k. which means: rainy). Think nail. HeyBub, Think rust! SS? Godwin? -- Sue |
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Palindrome wrote:
dpb wrote: Tanner-'op wrote: HeyBub wrote: johngood_____ wrote: I want a * low priced* ' waterproof ' glue to glue some wood together out in the garden. Thats in all weathers, (London u.k. which means: rainy). Think nail. HeyBub, Think rust! SS? Godwin? ROTFLOL!!!! -- Dave www.davebbq.com What is best in life? "To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women." -- Conan |
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Tanner-'op wrote: HeyBub wrote: johngood_____ wrote: I want a * low priced* ' waterproof ' glue to glue some wood together out in the garden. Thats in all weathers, (London u.k. which means: rainy). Think nail. HeyBub, Think rust! SS? HeyBub, You did not specify the metal type did you? There are stainless steel, galvanised, sheradized, copper, brass, zinc plated, steel and iron nails - not to mention the range of screws - but it is presumed that as the OP wanted to 'glue' something together - then nails may not be an option! Ah well! |
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Tanner-'op wrote:
.... ... as the OP wanted to 'glue' something together - then nails may not be an option! .... OP also wanted waterproof and cheap for exterior application--pretty much the one eliminates the other... ![]() -- |
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Tanner-'op wrote:
dpb wrote: Tanner-'op wrote: HeyBub wrote: johngood_____ wrote: I want a * low priced* ' waterproof ' glue to glue some wood together out in the garden. Thats in all weathers, (London u.k. which means: rainy). Think nail. HeyBub, Think rust! SS? HeyBub, You did not specify the metal type did you? There are stainless steel, galvanised, sheradized, copper, brass, zinc plated, steel and iron nails - not to mention the range of screws - but it is presumed that as the OP wanted to 'glue' something together - then nails may not be an option! Okay. Think screw. |
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