I want a * low priced* ' waterproof ' glue to glue some wood together out
in the garden. Thats in all weathers, (London u.k. which means: rainy).

I went to Wickes and bought a tub of white PVA ' Waterproof ' glue. Gluing
some chopsticks together overnight and then soaking them in water for an
hour next morning, the glue lost all strength in adhesion. Have I been
robbed, and that could not really be called waterproof or am I asking for
too much?

Any suggestions on a *low priced* waterproof glue please? Years ago in the
woodworking class at school we used to have pots of glue (made I think from
horses hooves or something similar) that we used to heat over boiling water
to get it to be soft enough to use.

Is it still possible to get this type of glue? It must have been cheap for
our school to use it, but I have no idea if it's waterproof of not. Any
suggestions please ? Thanks.

"johngood_____" wrote in message
...
I want a * low priced* ' waterproof ' glue to glue some wood together out
in the garden. Thats in all weathers, (London u.k. which means: rainy).

I went to Wickes and bought a tub of white PVA ' Waterproof ' glue.
Gluing some chopsticks together overnight and then soaking them in water
for an hour next morning, the glue lost all strength in adhesion. Have I
been robbed, and that could not really be called waterproof or am I asking
for too much?

Any suggestions on a *low priced* waterproof glue please? Years ago in
the woodworking class at school we used to have pots of glue (made I think
from horses hooves or something similar) that we used to heat over boiling
water to get it to be soft enough to use.

Is it still possible to get this type of glue? It must have been cheap
for our school to use it, but I have no idea if it's waterproof of not.
Any suggestions please ? Thanks.

If you read the directions on "waterproof" glues, most are not for
immersion. Use an epoxy. There are no cheap ones, but cheap glue is very
expensive when it does not work. In the US, Titebond III is one of the
best regular glues, but I'm not sure if it is readily available in the UK. .

On Apr 27, 8:02*am, "johngood_____" wrote:
I want a * low priced* *' waterproof ' glue to glue some wood together out
in the garden. Thats in all weathers, *(London u.k. which means: *rainy).

I went to Wickes and bought a tub of white PVA ' Waterproof ' glue. *Gluing
some chopsticks together overnight and then soaking them in water for an
hour next morning, the glue lost all strength in adhesion. * Have I been
robbed, and that could not really be called waterproof or am I asking for
too much?

Any suggestions on a *low priced* waterproof glue please? * Years ago in the
woodworking class at school we used to have pots of glue (made I think from
horses hooves or something similar) that we used to heat over boiling water
to get it to be soft enough to use.

Is it still possible to get this type of glue? *It must have been cheap for
our school to use it, but I have no idea if it's waterproof of not. *Any
suggestions please ? *Thanks.

Waterproof glue is not ment to be soaked in water but only to resist
water and dampness. You might try gorilla glue, it is a expanding
type glue ment for outdoors, it may solve your problem without going
to a epoxy. I have an articule on outdoor glues on my web site under
outdoor projects.. tips..

Randy
http://nokeswoodworks.com

johngood_____ wrote:
I want a * low priced* ' waterproof ' glue to glue some wood together out
in the garden. Thats in all weathers, (London u.k. which means: rainy).

I went to Wickes and bought a tub of white PVA ' Waterproof ' glue. Gluing
some chopsticks together overnight and then soaking them in water for an
hour next morning, the glue lost all strength in adhesion. Have I been
robbed, and that could not really be called waterproof or am I asking for
too much?

Any suggestions on a *low priced* waterproof glue please? Years ago in the
woodworking class at school we used to have pots of glue (made I think from
horses hooves or something similar) that we used to heat over boiling water
to get it to be soft enough to use.

Is it still possible to get this type of glue? It must have been cheap for
our school to use it, but I have no idea if it's waterproof of not. Any
suggestions please ? Thanks.



Practically any glue that doesn't come in the form of a water-based
liquid is probably a good start.

Hot-melt glue sticks. Two-part adhesives. Anything a wooden boat builder
uses.

I use powder Cascamite.

However, my absolute favourite where there are gaps to fill* is powder
Aerolite. Absolutely brilliant stuff - I could tell you lots of tales of
how successful it has been for me.

* eg if the joinery is a bit rough and ready.

Aerolite powder isn't cheap, at first glance. However, it keeps. Years.
and Years. and Years. Rather than buying glue every year, using a little
and having to throw the rest away (BTDTGTTS) - one tub of Aerolite will
last until the last spoonful has been used. Which works out at heck of a
lot cheaper, if you only need a little now and then.

--
Sue

In article ,
"johngood_____" writes:
I want a * low priced* ' waterproof ' glue to glue some wood together out
in the garden. Thats in all weathers, (London u.k. which means: rainy).

I went to Wickes and bought a tub of white PVA ' Waterproof ' glue. Gluing
some chopsticks together overnight and then soaking them in water for an
hour next morning, the glue lost all strength in adhesion. Have I been
robbed, and that could not really be called waterproof or am I asking for
too much?

Waterproof PVA (which is really EVA) is only waterproof as an
additive in a cement/mortar mix. I expect it says that on the tin.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

On Apr 27, 9:02 am, "johngood_____" wrote:
I want a * low priced* ' waterproof ' glue to glue some wood together out
in the garden. Thats in all weathers, (London u.k. which means: rainy).

I went to Wickes and bought a tub of white PVA ' Waterproof ' glue. Gluing
some chopsticks together overnight and then soaking them in water for an
hour next morning, the glue lost all strength in adhesion. Have I been
robbed, and that could not really be called waterproof or am I asking for
too much?

It might have done better had you let it cure longer.
But I doubt that it would have held up for long.


Any suggestions on a *low priced* waterproof glue please? Years ago in the
woodworking class at school we used to have pots of glue (made I think from
horses hooves or something similar) that we used to heat over boiling water
to get it to be soft enough to use.

Is it still possible to get this type of glue?

Yes, it is called hide glue. It is available in beads
to be mixed and used as you did in high school
and is also available in bottles liquid form. Hide
glue is not waterproof.

It must have been cheap for
our school to use it, but I have no idea if it's waterproof of not. Any
suggestions please ? Thanks.

The two types of glue used to make wooden boats
and airplanes are epoxy and resourcinol (sp?) I
think that the newer polyurethane glues are also
completely waterproof, but may be too brittle
for airplanes or boats which flex a lot more than
most furniture.

Storing polyurethane glues after the bottle has
been opened as they react with moisture in
the air. So it is not economical to buy it in
larger containers unless it will all be used
relatively rapidly.

Whichever of those is the lowest in price will be
as low as you can get I would think. There are
many epoxies on the market.

FWIW the mil-spec for waterproof glue requires
that the glued joint survive being boiled in water.
A number of epoxies fail that test due to the
temperature. For ordinary conditions, AFAIK,
all epoxies are water-proof.

--

FF

Fred the Red Shirt wrote:

Any suggestions on a *low priced* waterproof glue please? Years
ago in the woodworking class at school we used to have pots of glue
(made I think from horses hooves or something similar) that we used
to heat over boiling water to get it to be soft enough to use.

Is it still possible to get this type of glue?

Yes, it is called hide glue. It is available in beads
to be mixed and used as you did in high school
and is also available in bottles liquid form. Hide
glue is not waterproof.

That it can be steamed loose to redo the joint is why musical instrument
makers/restorers like it.

johngood_____ wrote:
I want a * low priced* ' waterproof ' glue to glue some wood
together out in the garden. Thats in all weathers, (London u.k.
which means: rainy).
I went to Wickes and bought a tub of white PVA ' Waterproof ' glue. Gluing
some chopsticks together overnight and then soaking them in
water for an hour next morning, the glue lost all strength in
adhesion. Have I been robbed, and that could not really be called
waterproof or am I asking for too much?

Not a good idea - "waterproof" glue is normally only water resistant and if
you soak anything 'stuck' with it in water then it will simply come apart.

Any suggestions on a *low priced* waterproof glue please? Years ago
in the woodworking class at school we used to have pots of glue (made
I think from horses hooves or something similar) that we used to heat
over boiling water to get it to be soft enough to use.
Is it still possible to get this type of glue? It must have been
cheap for our school to use it, but I have no idea if it's waterproof
of not. Any suggestions please ? Thanks.


johngood.

Don't use that stuff outside - that will come apart in any 'damp' conditions
let alone being soaked for days on end in the garden.

A 'cheap' glue isn't much good in these situations!

I have used Evostick Resin W (a water resistant) glue for external use,
Cascamite (a powdered glue that once mixed is water resistant) and Unibond
PVA to very good effect externally.

Also, if you are trying to 'stick' tanalised, other treated timber - or even
Teak, you will have problems getting some glues to properly stick.

Tanner-'op

On Apr 27, 3:45 pm, "DGDevin" wrote:
Fred the Red Shirt wrote:

Any suggestions on a *low priced* waterproof glue please? Years
ago in the woodworking class at school we used to have pots of glue
(made I think from horses hooves or something similar) that we used
to heat over boiling water to get it to be soft enough to use.

Is it still possible to get this type of glue?

Yes, it is called hide glue. It is available in beads
to be mixed and used as you did in high school
and is also available in bottles liquid form. Hide
glue is not waterproof.

That it can be steamed loose to redo the joint is why musical instrument
makers/restorers like it.

It also doesn't creep under string tension.

On Apr 27, 9:02 am, "johngood_____" wrote:
I want a * low priced* ' waterproof ' glue to glue some wood together out
in the garden. Thats in all weathers, (London u.k. which means: rainy).

I went to Wickes and bought a tub of white PVA ' Waterproof ' glue. Gluing
some chopsticks together overnight and then soaking them in water for an
hour next morning, the glue lost all strength in adhesion. Have I been
robbed, and that could not really be called waterproof or am I asking for
too much?

Any suggestions on a *low priced* waterproof glue please? Years ago in the
woodworking class at school we used to have pots of glue (made I think from
horses hooves or something similar) that we used to heat over boiling water
to get it to be soft enough to use.

Is it still possible to get this type of glue? It must have been cheap for
our school to use it, but I have no idea if it's waterproof of not. Any
suggestions please ? Thanks.

Tightbond Type II is supposed to be water-resistant,
but a quick soaking in hot water dissolves hardened
glue from knives.

Polyurethane glue is waterproof. I have cellar window
casings I set in block ten years ago with Pro-Bond
(Elmer's brand) that look like I glued them in yesterday.

johngood_____ wrote:

I want a * low priced* ' waterproof ' glue to glue some wood together out
in the garden. Thats in all weathers, (London u.k. which means: rainy).

I went to Wickes and bought a tub of white PVA ' Waterproof ' glue. Gluing
some chopsticks together overnight and then soaking them in water for an
hour next morning, the glue lost all strength in adhesion. Have I been
robbed, and that could not really be called waterproof or am I asking for
too much?

Any suggestions on a *low priced* waterproof glue please? Years ago in the
woodworking class at school we used to have pots of glue (made I think from
horses hooves or something similar) that we used to heat over boiling water
to get it to be soft enough to use.

Is it still possible to get this type of glue? It must have been cheap for
our school to use it, but I have no idea if it's waterproof of not. Any
suggestions please ? Thanks.





Chopsticks, eh? You were thinking of hide glue, perhaps? Can still get
it and probably on line if you
do a google search. Chopsticks are wood? Bamboo? You might get a
better bond if you can drill a
fine hole in the center and glue in a toothpick ro something to bridge
the break. Gook luck ) Elmer's
would probably work as well as anything.

On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:40:00 -0700, Father Haskell wrote:

Yes, it is called hide glue. It is available in beads
to be mixed and used as you did in high school
and is also available in bottles liquid form. Hide
glue is not waterproof.

That it can be steamed loose to redo the joint is why musical instrument
makers/restorers like it.

It also doesn't creep under string tension.

It also isn't waterproof :-).

In article ,
Norminn wrote:

johngood_____ wrote:

I want a * low priced* ' waterproof ' glue to glue some wood together out
in the garden. Thats in all weathers, (London u.k. which means: rainy).

I went to Wickes and bought a tub of white PVA ' Waterproof ' glue. Gluing
some chopsticks together overnight and then soaking them in water for an
hour next morning, the glue lost all strength in adhesion. Have I been
robbed, and that could not really be called waterproof or am I asking for
too much?

Any suggestions on a *low priced* waterproof glue please? Years ago in the
woodworking class at school we used to have pots of glue (made I think from
horses hooves or something similar) that we used to heat over boiling water
to get it to be soft enough to use.

Is it still possible to get this type of glue? It must have been cheap for
our school to use it, but I have no idea if it's waterproof of not. Any
suggestions please ? Thanks.





Chopsticks, eh? You were thinking of hide glue, perhaps? Can still get
it and probably on line if you
do a google search. Chopsticks are wood? Bamboo? You might get a
better bond if you can drill a
fine hole in the center and glue in a toothpick ro something to bridge
the break. Gook luck ) Elmer's
would probably work as well as anything.

I don't think the OP was actually trying to repair chopsticks, just
using them as scrap wood to test the glue. I also don't think he let the
glue cure fully. Overnight isn't very long in the glue world.

On Apr 27, 10:47 pm, Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:40:00 -0700, Father Haskell wrote:
Yes, it is called hide glue. It is available in beads
to be mixed and used as you did in high school
and is also available in bottles liquid form. Hide
glue is not waterproof.

That it can be steamed loose to redo the joint is why musical instrument
makers/restorers like it.

It also doesn't creep under string tension.

It also isn't waterproof :-).

Only a problem if you use your violin for an oar.

On 28 Apr, 07:11, Father Haskell wrote:
On Apr 27, 10:47 pm, Larry Blanchard wrote:

On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:40:00 -0700, Father Haskell wrote:
Yes, it is called hide glue. It is available in beads
to be mixed and used as you did in high school
and is also available in bottles liquid form. Hide
glue is not waterproof.

That it can be steamed loose to redo the joint is why musical instrument
makers/restorers like it.

It also doesn't creep under string tension.

It also isn't waterproof :-).

Only a problem if you use your violin for an oar.

I always try to avoid using adhesives outside for timber as a
mechanical joint is usually possible and is probably 'best practice'
What are you trying to fix together?

Palindrome wrote:
snip
Anything a wooden boat builder uses.



Nowadays that's epoxy, and nothing else. At least it is in the small
boat market, things might be different on windjammers.

Cascamite and aerolite used to be used, but I think not any more.

Andy

johngood_____ wrote:
I want a * low priced* ' waterproof ' glue to glue some wood
together out in the garden. Thats in all weathers, (London u.k.
which means: rainy).

Think nail.

HeyBub wrote:
johngood_____ wrote:
I want a * low priced* ' waterproof ' glue to glue some wood
together out in the garden. Thats in all weathers, (London u.k.
which means: rainy).

Think nail.

HeyBub,

Think rust!

Tanner-'op wrote:
HeyBub wrote:
johngood_____ wrote:
I want a * low priced* ' waterproof ' glue to glue some wood
together out in the garden. Thats in all weathers, (London u.k.
which means: rainy).
Think nail.

HeyBub,

Think rust!

SS?

--

dpb wrote:
Tanner-'op wrote:
HeyBub wrote:
johngood_____ wrote:
I want a * low priced* ' waterproof ' glue to glue some wood
together out in the garden. Thats in all weathers, (London u.k.
which means: rainy).
Think nail.

HeyBub,

Think rust!

SS?

Godwin?

--
Sue

Palindrome wrote:
dpb wrote:
Tanner-'op wrote:
HeyBub wrote:
johngood_____ wrote:
I want a * low priced* ' waterproof ' glue to glue some wood
together out in the garden. Thats in all weathers, (London u.k.
which means: rainy).
Think nail.

HeyBub,

Think rust!

SS?

Godwin?

ROTFLOL!!!!

--
Dave www.davebbq.com

What is best in life? "To crush your enemies, see them driven before
you, and to hear the lamentation of the women." -- Conan

dpb wrote:
Tanner-'op wrote:
HeyBub wrote:
johngood_____ wrote:
I want a * low priced* ' waterproof ' glue to glue some wood
together out in the garden. Thats in all weathers, (London u.k.
which means: rainy).
Think nail.

HeyBub,

Think rust!

SS?

HeyBub,


You did not specify the metal type did you?

There are stainless steel, galvanised, sheradized, copper, brass, zinc
plated, steel and iron nails - not to mention the range of screws - but it
is presumed that as the OP wanted to 'glue' something together - then nails
may not be an option!

Ah well!

clipped



Chopsticks, eh? You were thinking of hide glue, perhaps? Can still get
it and probably on line if you
do a google search. Chopsticks are wood? Bamboo? You might get a
better bond if you can drill a
fine hole in the center and glue in a toothpick ro something to bridge
the break. Gook luck ) Elmer's
would probably work as well as anything.



I don't think the OP was actually trying to repair chopsticks, just
using them as scrap wood to test the glue. I also don't think he let the
glue cure fully. Overnight isn't very long in the glue world.


Well, that's kind of like asking what is strong enough to lift a mouse
when you are planning on lifting
a truck with a mouse inside. In the case of the truck, an overnight
soak would probably allow the
mouse to survive if it finds an air pocket )

Tanner-'op wrote:
....
... as the OP wanted to 'glue' something together - then nails
may not be an option!

....

OP also wanted waterproof and cheap for exterior application--pretty
much the one eliminates the other...

--

Tanner-'op wrote:
dpb wrote:
Tanner-'op wrote:
HeyBub wrote:
johngood_____ wrote:
I want a * low priced* ' waterproof ' glue to glue some wood
together out in the garden. Thats in all weathers, (London u.k.
which means: rainy).
Think nail.

HeyBub,

Think rust!

SS?

HeyBub,


You did not specify the metal type did you?

There are stainless steel, galvanised, sheradized, copper, brass, zinc
plated, steel and iron nails - not to mention the range of screws -
but it is presumed that as the OP wanted to 'glue' something together
- then nails may not be an option!


Okay. Think screw.