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minimum dust collector w/ trash can
I do it with 3/4, but I'm not selling dust collectors.
Put the can on wheels. Better yet, buy the JET collector on a can at Klingspor or some other place. "Igor" wrote in message ... I will be doing lots of dados using my TS, so lots of waste. I have a small shop. I'd like to use one of the in-line trash can hook-ups with a DC. The hose run from the saw to the can to the DC will be no more than 10 feet; I could even put both the can and DC next to the TS. What I'd like to know is if this setup can be done successuly using a 1 HP DC? 1.5HP? A friendly tech guy at Penn State said 2HP -- and I think he does believe that versus trying to make a sale. |
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minimum dust collector w/ trash can
I've got a 1.2HP 650 or 750 TWC unit and it is adequate for TS, jointer, router
table pickup. Once I hooked up a trash can separator (a necessary item, in my case) efficiency dropped a bit, but the DC still picks up fairly well. I'm sure it would be cool to have a unit that could suck the chrome off a bumper, but my little unit is: little, cheap, and reasonably quiet. All three characteristics I appreciate. I have a 10' hose to the can, and a 20' hose to the equipment. dave Igor wrote: I will be doing lots of dados using my TS, so lots of waste. I have a small shop. I'd like to use one of the in-line trash can hook-ups with a DC. The hose run from the saw to the can to the DC will be no more than 10 feet; I could even put both the can and DC next to the TS. What I'd like to know is if this setup can be done successuly using a 1 HP DC? 1.5HP? A friendly tech guy at Penn State said 2HP -- and I think he does believe that versus trying to make a sale. I'd appreciate hearing from people who have this trash can setup using whatever lower-end HP DC -- whether or not it works. Thanks. (BTW, I see that Penn State is selling its 2HP for only $20 more than its 1.5HP, though w/ the 1.5 you get 50' of hose -- which I don't need. They even say that the 2HP is a little quieter. If only I could find the room.) PS: You may say that in a small shop how can there be room for the can? Good point. In fact, a 1.5HP DC would probably be smaller than a 1HP DC + can -- and the 1.5 has more capacity. It's a question of reducing the mess when emptying the chips/dust -- a standard trade-off. |
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minimum dust collector w/ trash can
Igor wrote:I'd appreciate hearing from people who have this trash can setup
using whatever lower-end HP DC -- whether or not it works. Thanks. It works with my 1.5 HP Jet 1100, and I'm using 4 inch flex and DWV about 35 feet from the can and collector. And dadoes, not being through-cuts, won't spit much sawdust at you. Tom |
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minimum dust collector w/ trash can
I've been using a little Jet DC (3/4 hp I think) with a shop-made trash can
chip collector. It's plumbed with 4" PVC pipe to serve a contractor saw and has an additional port where I hook my planer when I need it--the total run is about 20 ft.. It has worked fine for the past 5 years. I have a grounding wire down the inside of the PVC pipe that sometimes collects big shavings from the planer and chokes, but other than that it works fine. More suctation from a bigger DC is always nice, but this one serves my needs. malcolm "Igor" wrote in message ... I will be doing lots of dados using my TS, so lots of waste. I have a small shop. I'd like to use one of the in-line trash can hook-ups with a DC. The hose run from the saw to the can to the DC will be no more than 10 feet; I could even put both the can and DC next to the TS. What I'd like to know is if this setup can be done successuly using a 1 HP DC? 1.5HP? A friendly tech guy at Penn State said 2HP -- and I think he does believe that versus trying to make a sale. I'd appreciate hearing from people who have this trash can setup using whatever lower-end HP DC -- whether or not it works. Thanks. (BTW, I see that Penn State is selling its 2HP for only $20 more than its 1.5HP, though w/ the 1.5 you get 50' of hose -- which I don't need. They even say that the 2HP is a little quieter. If only I could find the room.) PS: You may say that in a small shop how can there be room for the can? Good point. In fact, a 1.5HP DC would probably be smaller than a 1HP DC + can -- and the 1.5 has more capacity. It's a question of reducing the mess when emptying the chips/dust -- a standard trade-off. |
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minimum dust collector w/ trash can
Igor wrote in message . ..
I will be doing lots of dados using my TS, so lots of waste. I have a small shop. I'd like to use one of the in-line trash can hook-ups with a DC. The hose run from the saw to the can to the DC will be no more than 10 feet; I could even put both the can and DC next to the TS. What I'd like to know is if this setup can be done successuly using a 1 HP DC? 1.5HP? A friendly tech guy at Penn State said 2HP -- and I think he does believe that versus trying to make a sale. I'd appreciate hearing from people who have this trash can setup using whatever lower-end HP DC -- whether or not it works. Thanks. I have the 1HP jet unit that is made to sit on a 35Gal can (you supply) which I have on wheels. It has a canister type final filter. Uses less floor space than a DC AND a trashcan separator. With 4" hose, works very well for all my tools, including a very messy planer that creates cubic feet of waste in short order. It's quiet (actually quieter than my saw running at idle). Only beef is having to clean canister every few days when doing a lot of fine dust. I'm not affiliated with any tool co. or distributor, just a happy consumer. Gary |
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minimum dust collector w/ trash can
Based on a post I read here I picked up a H.F. 1 h.p. about 6 months ago.You
know the one,plastic wheels, portable etc... It was on sale for $83.00. The original poster mentioned removing the plastic screens on the inlet and discharge side. I fabbedup 55 gallon drums for a separator and run it with the table saw planer,jointer with no problem. Beats a shop vac hands down. The down side is the 3" neck on the bag but the drums get most of the stuff. "Igor" wrote in message ... I will be doing lots of dados using my TS, so lots of waste. I have a small shop. I'd like to use one of the in-line trash can hook-ups with a DC. The hose run from the saw to the can to the DC will be no more than 10 feet; I could even put both the can and DC next to the TS. What I'd like to know is if this setup can be done successuly using a 1 HP DC? 1.5HP? A friendly tech guy at Penn State said 2HP -- and I think he does believe that versus trying to make a sale. I'd appreciate hearing from people who have this trash can setup using whatever lower-end HP DC -- whether or not it works. Thanks. (BTW, I see that Penn State is selling its 2HP for only $20 more than its 1.5HP, though w/ the 1.5 you get 50' of hose -- which I don't need. They even say that the 2HP is a little quieter. If only I could find the room.) PS: You may say that in a small shop how can there be room for the can? Good point. In fact, a 1.5HP DC would probably be smaller than a 1HP DC + can -- and the 1.5 has more capacity. It's a question of reducing the mess when emptying the chips/dust -- a standard trade-off. |
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minimum dust collector w/ trash can
Igor wrote: I will be doing lots of dados using my TS, so lots of waste. I have a small shop. I'd like to use one of the in-line trash can hook-ups with a DC. The hose run from the saw to the can to the DC will be no more than 10 feet; I could even put both the can and DC next to the TS. What I'd like to know is if this setup can be done successuly using a 1 HP DC? 1.5HP? A friendly tech guy at Penn State said 2HP -- and I think he does believe that versus trying to make a sale. ================================================= ===== I have owned a Grizzly 1029 for about 15 years and a few years ago I picked up a 1 HP Penn State unit at an estate sale for peanuts...so I bought it..... ANYHOW.... The 2 HP Griz by my (unscientific) tests sucks about 3 times harder then the 1 HP unit..... This was "tested" by just swapping the DC out and connecting it to the same 4" PVC ductwork I had already installed ... There was just a major difference...so on that basis alone I would have to say go the 2 Hp route if at all possible.... Now my Griz is 12-15 years old and I believe it was rated at 1300 CFM not the current model which is rated higher...but honestly CFM ratings seem to be generated by the same guy who rates HP for sears... IMHO they are Bullsh^^ ! I have tried using a Metal 20 gallon trash can a few times with my systems and (purchased 2 different style "lids") but I still have not made up my mind if they really work all that well.. Everyone seems to say they work...But I have not determined if they work "well enough" for me yet... Having said all of that.... placing the can and a 2 HP DC next to the tablesaw with only a few feet of hose should work without any problems... I DO NOT use the DC ...NOT FOR HEALTH REASONS.... Heck I can't chase women anymore because I am too damn slow to catch any...I smoke , I drink, etc... I use the DC only to keep my shop cleaner... I find I can relax much better in a neat cleaner shop... Bob Griffiths |
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minimum dust collector w/ trash can
Igor wrote in message
some snippage here I'd appreciate hearing from people who have this trash can setup using whatever lower-end HP DC -- whether or not it works. Thanks. (BTW, I see that Penn State is selling its 2HP for only $20 more than its 1.5HP, though w/ the 1.5 you get 50' of hose -- which I don't need. They even say that the 2HP is a little quieter. If only I could find the room.) I have a 2HP DC hooked up to trash can separator. With the can in the middle I haven't had any problems with getting reasonable suction on a single 4" line. Reasonable means a) I've never plugged it up and b) it will keep up with the jointer. Most of the time I handle serious amounts planer shavings with a shovel and wheelbarrow approach I haven't tried a separator with a smaller collector. FWIW, I find the can eats about 95% of the stuff I generate --- but the "bulky" part of what get's sucked up is cleaning up around the lathe, planer or jointer. Don't forget 2HP will probably require a 220V feed --- no idea if that is an issue in your shop. PS: You may say that in a small shop how can there be room for the can? Good point. In fact, a 1.5HP DC would probably be smaller than a 1HP DC + can -- and the 1.5 has more capacity. It's a question of reducing the mess when emptying the chips/dust -- a standard trade-off. This spring I got tire of chasing the DC around and put it up on top of a 7' cabinet --- yes I have a high space but it's un-insulated, no climate control --- think barn. Anyway, I used to have a carrier bolted to the DC that held the can so the can went whereever the DC went. If you are using the DC as a roll-around unit, I would highly recommend doing something similar. Also tie the hose off to the DC unit somewhere after the can so things don't fall apart if (when) you pull on the hose. I used a couple of elastic cords to hold the can onto the carrier. Best of luck, Hex -30- |
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minimum dust collector w/ trash can
Steve Knight wrote in message . ..
O I have a 2HP DC hooked up to trash can separator. With the can in the middle I haven't had any problems with getting reasonable suction on a single 4" line. Reasonable means a) I've never plugged it up and b) it will keep up with the jointer. Most of the time I handle serious amounts planer shavings with a shovel and wheelbarrow approach I haven't tried a separator with a smaller collector. FWIW, I find the can eats about 95% of the stuff I generate it's not the planer shavings that a dc needs power for. it's the fine dust. that's the hardest and most important to collect. hell shavings are easy try padouk sawdust from a SCMS. it makes a cloud of fine sawdust. Agreed, the "fines" are the important part from a health perspective. Efficient collecting on an SCMS is something I've always considered to be pretty hopeless -- do what you can hooking up the DC, wear a mask, make sure the air filter is running. But, for better or worse, most people adding a separator aren't thinking about gathering the fines; they are worried about reducing the number of times the bags are emptied. The OP was concerned with keeping up a dado blade in a TS. In that case efficient collection (including the fines) is pretty easy. The approach I have favored is that machines with a low waste volume avoid going through the separator as it provides no benefit and only costs power. Fortunately, the high waste volume devices tend to generate larger shavings so, as you point out, the collection is easy and the loss of power isn't a big deal. Of course, I work almost exclusively in domestic hardwoods -- my WW budget doesn't afford much in the way of exotics, no Padauk dust for me. Must get to work...... hex -30- |
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