Does anyone have one?
How's it compare to Unisaws?
Wilson

"Wilson" wrote in message
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Does anyone have one?
How's it compare to Unisaws?
Wilson



"Wilson" wrote in message
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Does anyone have one?

Several here to. Lee Valley has a bunch in their stores.

How's it compare to Unisaws?

More often it is compared to the Powermatics.

On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 17:09:38 GMT, "Wilson"
wrote:

Does anyone have one?
How's it compare to Unisaws?

Given that this is your second identical such query in the last couple
of days, and given that a couple of perfect answers to the first one
were posted, (namely to do a search to obtain the voluminous data
extant relating to your question), I'm led to the conclusion that you
don't want to do the research, but are more interested in letting
others do your work for them.


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Yes.

"Wilson" wrote in message
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Does anyone have one?

Wilson wrote:
Does anyone have one?
How's it compare to Unisaws?
Wilson


ALL RIGHT!! EVERYBODY MOVE ALONG NOW.......NOTHING TO SEE HERE!!!

Robatoy wrote:
Wilson wrote:
Does anyone have one?
How's it compare to Unisaws?
Wilson


ALL RIGHT!! EVERYBODY MOVE ALONG NOW.......NOTHING TO SEE HERE!!!


AAAAAMMMMEN!

It makes me wish (just a little) when someone like Unisaw100 would
simply wipe out any text of the OP's, and just put:


DAGS


Robert

Robatoy (in )
said:

| Wilson wrote:
|| Does anyone have one?
|||| How's it compare to Unisaws?
|||| Wilson
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| ALL RIGHT!! EVERYBODY MOVE ALONG NOW.......NOTHING TO SEE HERE!!!

PLEASE, SIR, STEP AWAY FROM THE ABYSS!!

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto

Thanks for all the helpful answers!
No doubt you have all spent the $3,000 but don't have time to talk about
your saws.
FYI, my other post, and any answers, has disappeared, so I tried again
thinking it never got out.
Yep, I can search as well as any, but also wanted some fresh ideas from
current users of current saws.
WL

"LRod" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 17:09:38 GMT, "Wilson"
wrote:

Does anyone have one?
How's it compare to Unisaws?

Given that this is your second identical such query in the last couple
of days, and given that a couple of perfect answers to the first one
were posted, (namely to do a search to obtain the voluminous data
extant relating to your question), I'm led to the conclusion that you
don't want to do the research, but are more interested in letting
others do your work for them.


--
LRod

Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite

Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999

http://www.woodbutcher.net

Proud participant of rec.woodworking since February, 1997

email addy de-spam-ified due to 1,000 spams per month.
If you can't figure out how to use it, I probably wouldn't
care to correspond with you anyway.

On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 17:09:38 GMT, "Wilson"
wrote:

Does anyone have one?
How's it compare to Unisaws?
Wilson

For my two cents, Wilson.....

I would not buy a SS. For the $$ it will require you could go to
grizzly.com, buy a very nice cabinet saw and have plenty of balance
for other equipment.
For some folks the SS might be worth the extra money. The premium you
would pay is certainly cost effective as compared to an injury. I
think it would depend on a self assessment of your safety habits and
risk.
And, personally I don't mind seeing your post. While this topic *has*
been raised and well discussed, that does not always mean the
specific/exact info you are seeking is within the archive.

Thanks. There's some impetus from SWMBO, just for the safety aspect and the
money is there.
However, I wouldn't want it if it's not an excellent saw, safety or not.
WL
"Joe Bemier" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 17:09:38 GMT, "Wilson"
wrote:

Does anyone have one?
How's it compare to Unisaws?
Wilson

For my two cents, Wilson.....

I would not buy a SS. For the $$ it will require you could go to
grizzly.com, buy a very nice cabinet saw and have plenty of balance
for other equipment.
For some folks the SS might be worth the extra money. The premium you
would pay is certainly cost effective as compared to an injury. I
think it would depend on a self assessment of your safety habits and
risk.
And, personally I don't mind seeing your post. While this topic *has*
been raised and well discussed, that does not always mean the
specific/exact info you are seeking is within the archive.

"Wilson" wrote in message
ink.net...
Thanks. There's some impetus from SWMBO, just for the safety aspect and
the money is there.
However, I wouldn't want it if it's not an excellent saw, safety or not.
WL

Considering the circumstances, I'd buy it. Nothing wrong with a little
extra safeguard.

"Wilson" wrote in message
ink.net...

Thanks for all the helpful answers!
No doubt you have all spent the $3,000 but don't have time to talk about
your saws.
FYI, my other post, and any answers, has disappeared, so I tried again
thinking it never got out.
Yep, I can search as well as any, but also wanted some fresh ideas from
current users of current saws.
WL

I understand that Wilson, but if you had done a quick search you would have
found some very recent discussions on the topic. There isn't really going
to be anything any fresher than what has been discussed over the past couple
of months. It is common courtesy to first search and then ask, just in the
name of not asking questions that have been discussed frequently or
recently.

As to your other post disappearing and all that - even to the point of your
original post... if you really wanted to hear something new, or you had
problems seeing your original post, a simple explanation would save you a
lot of grief. To simply post the question as you did and then follow it up
with the very same question after others had responded is only going to earn
the types of responses you saw.

--

-Mike-

Hi
I'm a long time lurker.....

Sawstop...we have one in our shop at work (Hatteras)....also have two
unisaws

pros......love the lefthand bevel/besmyer type fence/saftey stop

cons.....although it has been stopped twice because of friction and metal
tape near blade while the lights where not aligned @ $300 to $500 each time
or so they tell us. also blade guard is a bit flimsy and has caused the saw
to be tagged 3 times (shut down for repair).also for our cabinet shop, it is
used 80% to cut plywood, it doesn't have the power ,(maybe belts are
slipping

saftey wise ..go for it......otherwise go to grizzley/unisawpowermatic

have had a old powermatic...new unisaw..new grizz....would take them first
and still have some change

for what it's worth

alan
"Joe Bemier" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 17:09:38 GMT, "Wilson"
wrote:

Does anyone have one?
How's it compare to Unisaws?
Wilson

For my two cents, Wilson.....

I would not buy a SS. For the $$ it will require you could go to
grizzly.com, buy a very nice cabinet saw and have plenty of balance
for other equipment.
For some folks the SS might be worth the extra money. The premium you
would pay is certainly cost effective as compared to an injury. I
think it would depend on a self assessment of your safety habits and
risk.
And, personally I don't mind seeing your post. While this topic *has*
been raised and well discussed, that does not always mean the
specific/exact info you are seeking is within the archive.

On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 21:04:47 GMT, "Wilson"
wrote:

Thanks for all the helpful answers!
No doubt you have all spent the $3,000 but don't have time to talk about
your saws.
FYI, my other post, and any answers, has disappeared, so I tried again
thinking it never got out.
Yep, I can search as well as any, but also wanted some fresh ideas from
current users of current saws.

Since the saw has only actually been in workshops for less than two
years (or thereabouts), anything you read from the archives will
likely be as fresh as you could possibly need, even if it's 1 year and
10 months old. And certain to be in the archives are two threads that
I can think of posted here within the last two months.

Incidentally, your other post (and any answers) are (drum roll) in the
archives.

--
LRod

Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite

Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999

http://www.woodbutcher.net

Proud participant of rec.woodworking since February, 1997

email addy de-spam-ified due to 1,000 spams per month.
If you can't figure out how to use it, I probably wouldn't
care to correspond with you anyway.

On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 17:41:40 -0500, Joe Bemier
wrote:

On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 17:09:38 GMT, "Wilson"
wrote:

Does anyone have one?
How's it compare to Unisaws?

And, personally I don't mind seeing your post. While this topic *has*
been raised and well discussed, that does not always mean the
specific/exact info you are seeking is within the archive.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but "Does anyone have one?" and
"How's it compare to Unisaws?" are hardly new questions and are
virtually guaranteed to be in the archive. Now, if he had asked if the
drive belts or bearings are easily obtained and replaced, that would
have been an entirely different story.

--
LRod

Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite

Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999

http://www.woodbutcher.net

Proud participant of rec.woodworking since February, 1997

email addy de-spam-ified due to 1,000 spams per month.
If you can't figure out how to use it, I probably wouldn't
care to correspond with you anyway.

Wilson wrote:


FYI, my other post, and any answers, has disappeared, so I tried again
thinking it never got out.

Almost all the post to text news groups can be access through the
"Google Groups" archives. The URL for the "Google Groups" advanced
search engine is:

http://groups-beta.google.com/advanced_search

--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA

"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in
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"Wilson" wrote in message
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Thanks. There's some impetus from SWMBO, just for the safety aspect
and the money is there.
However, I wouldn't want it if it's not an excellent saw, safety or
not. WL

Considering the circumstances, I'd buy it. Nothing wrong with a
little extra safeguard.




Particularly if SWMBO has cleared it already.

An approved, quality tool is a good tool.

Patriarch,
whose wife used to confuse a Unisaw and a Sawzall, in conversation, at
least...

Morris Dovey wrote:


|
| ALL RIGHT!! EVERYBODY MOVE ALONG NOW.......NOTHING TO SEE HERE!!!

PLEASE, SIR, STEP AWAY FROM THE ABYSS!!

--

THIS WAY TO THE EGRESS --

--
It's turtles, all the way down

alan wrote:

.also for our cabinet shop, it is
used 80% to cut plywood, it doesn't have the power ,(maybe belts are
slipping

With 3, 5, and 7.5 horse motors, I have doubts it's underpowered. Maybe, as
you say, the belts are slipping.

--
It's turtles, all the way down

"Wilson" wrote in news:mN_9h.3787$1s6.2094
@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net:

Does anyone have one?
How's it compare to Unisaws?
Wilson



unisaws blow it out of the water.

On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 17:41:40 -0500, Joe Bemier
wrote:

For some folks the SS might be worth the extra money. The premium you
would pay is certainly cost effective as compared to an injury. I
think it would depend on a self assessment of your safety habits and
risk.

I have a PM66 and I'm very happy with it, so I'm certainly not in the
market for a new saw to begin with, but even if I was and money was no
object, I would never buy a SawStop, I'd go get one of the new
PM2000s. My problem with the SS is primarily political, I don't like
what they tried to pull and I'm going to hold a grudge for a long,
long time, but also, I simply don't think I need to be protected from
myself. I've been doing woodworking for many years and I still have
all my fingers and toes. Heck, my father worked for many years on a
crappy 8 1/2" benchtop saw with a completely ineffective guard and he
never hurt himself either. Being careful and knowing what your
limitations are is *ALWAYS* more important than having someone's nanny
equipment on your saw. In fact, I can pretty much guarantee I'd never
trip the SS, at least not the way it's supposed to be tripped. Faulty
and expensive trips, as are widely reported, would probably just make
me mad.

"Brian Henderson" wrote in message
equipment on your saw. In fact, I can pretty much guarantee I'd never
trip the SS, at least not the way it's supposed to be tripped.

You've never ever cut yourself on anything. You've never tripped and fallen.
You've never hit your thumb with a hammer, accidentally bumped your head on
anything or ever hurt yourself in any way shape or form.

Wow. You must be superman. I'm jealous of all you people who are
invulnerable and can't be hurt. You are the only people who can safely say
that you don't have accidents or do something stupid and regret it
afterwards.What is it like to be perfect?

On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 23:37:48 GMT, "Wilson"
wrote:

Thanks. There's some impetus from SWMBO, just for the safety aspect and the
money is there.
However, I wouldn't want it if it's not an excellent saw, safety or not.
WL
"Joe Bemier" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 17:09:38 GMT, "Wilson"
wrote:

Does anyone have one?
How's it compare to Unisaws?
Wilson

For my two cents, Wilson.....

I would not buy a SS. For the $$ it will require you could go to
grizzly.com, buy a very nice cabinet saw and have plenty of balance
for other equipment.
For some folks the SS might be worth the extra money. The premium you
would pay is certainly cost effective as compared to an injury. I
think it would depend on a self assessment of your safety habits and
risk.
And, personally I don't mind seeing your post. While this topic *has*
been raised and well discussed, that does not always mean the
specific/exact info you are seeking is within the archive.

I believe it is a well made saw - no issues there.

On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 00:40:13 GMT, "alan"
wrote:

Hi
I'm a long time lurker.....

Sawstop...we have one in our shop at work (Hatteras)....also have two
unisaws

pros......love the lefthand bevel/besmyer type fence/saftey stop

cons.....although it has been stopped twice because of friction and metal
tape near blade while the lights where not aligned @ $300 to $500 each time


That is an issue you need to be prepared for. I know of only one saw
and it has "stopped" without reason once in the 4-6 months since it
was purchased. The owner runs a Cabinet shop and bought it under
pressure from the Insurance Co. He said that it cost him about $400
but the biggest issue was downtime waiitng for the new parts.
While it is mostly anecdotal, misfires seem to be an issue.

Good Luck!

"Joe Bemier" wrote in message
While it is mostly anecdotal, misfires seem to be an issue.

Yeah, I have to agree. All that time wasted because the business owner
didn't think to have an extra part on hand. Who'd ever want to prepare
themselves or their business in case of something like that? Just think of
all that time wasted. It must be worse than an employee hurting themselves
on the job and having to go for extended workman's comp. And it would
certainly be more time wasted than having to hire a replacement employee and
taking the time needed to train them to handle their job.

Of course, all that probably wouldn't happen because the injured employee
would probably sue at some point and the business would likely be shut down
because of legal costs, fantastically increased insurance premiums and the
initial loss of business because of the injury.

But, there's a solution. The business can move lock, stock and barrel up to
Canada. We're not so quick to jump into court and tie everything up for a
considerable period. That is the purview of the US citizen. We have better
things to do than support a growing army of personal injury lawyers. Up
here, we like to feed them to the sled dogs and make a tidy profit selling
tickets to the event.

However, I digress. We were talking about wasting time. Let me wrap things
up by saying that it doesn't make any sense at all to invest in a relatively
expensive tool for a business but neglect to factor in a few critical spare
parts for when the employees take their lunch time hot dog and decide to
test out the new machine.

"Upscale" wrote in message
...

"Joe Bemier" wrote in message
While it is mostly anecdotal, misfires seem to be an issue.

Yeah, I have to agree. All that time wasted because the business owner
didn't think to have an extra part on hand. Who'd ever want to prepare
themselves or their business in case of something like that? Just think of
all that time wasted. It must be worse than an employee hurting themselves
on the job and having to go for extended workman's comp. And it would
certainly be more time wasted than having to hire a replacement employee
and
taking the time needed to train them to handle their job.

Thankfully, that employee will now never be able to hurt themselves.


Of course, all that probably wouldn't happen because the injured employee
would probably sue at some point and the business would likely be shut
down
because of legal costs, fantastically increased insurance premiums and the
initial loss of business because of the injury.

Yeah - it's just a real problem. We can't seem to keep businesses open
because of the daily injuries and the resultant loss of production and
inevitable legal fees. In another twelve days or so we won't have any more
production wood shops left in the United States.


But, there's a solution. The business can move lock, stock and barrel up
to
Canada. We're not so quick to jump into court and tie everything up for a
considerable period. That is the purview of the US citizen. We have better
things to do than support a growing army of personal injury lawyers. Up
here, we like to feed them to the sled dogs and make a tidy profit selling
tickets to the event.

That's true but it's hard for Americans to adapt to holding that "We're
better about everything" that Canadians are so well known for.


However, I digress. We were talking about wasting time. Let me wrap things
up by saying that it doesn't make any sense at all to invest in a
relatively
expensive tool for a business but neglect to factor in a few critical
spare
parts for when the employees take their lunch time hot dog and decide to
test out the new machine.


That's it. Keep a room full of spares on hand for those times that the
machine misfires due to a yet unresolved design issue.

--

-Mike-

"Mike Marlow" wrote in message

That's it. Keep a room full of spares on hand for those times that the
machine misfires due to a yet unresolved design issue.

Naturally, you own a SawStop and are closely familiar with all those
unspoken and unresolved design issues. It's also obvious that you have
master's degrees in mechanics, electronics and have attended Mr. Gass'
business numerous times to evaluate said design issues.

If those things aren't true then the reverse must be true, that you have no
experience with those unspoken design issues whatsoever and decided that
you'd elucidate us with some verbal diarrhea.

"Brian Henderson" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 17:41:40 -0500, Joe Bemier
wrote:

For some folks the SS might be worth the extra money. The premium you
would pay is certainly cost effective as compared to an injury. I
think it would depend on a self assessment of your safety habits and
risk.

I have a PM66 and I'm very happy with it, so I'm certainly not in the
market for a new saw to begin with, but even if I was and money was no
object, I would never buy a SawStop, I'd go get one of the new
PM2000s. My problem with the SS is primarily political, I don't like
what they tried to pull and I'm going to hold a grudge for a long,
long time, but also, I simply don't think I need to be protected from
myself. I've been doing woodworking for many years and I still have
all my fingers and toes. Heck, my father worked for many years on a
crappy 8 1/2" benchtop saw with a completely ineffective guard and he
never hurt himself either. Being careful and knowing what your
limitations are is *ALWAYS* more important than having someone's nanny
equipment on your saw. In fact, I can pretty much guarantee I'd never
trip the SS, at least not the way it's supposed to be tripped. Faulty
and expensive trips, as are widely reported, would probably just make
me mad.

Now that is funny.

In article , "Upscale" wrote:
[...]
But, there's a solution. The business can move lock, stock and barrel up to
Canada. We're not so quick to jump into court and tie everything up for a
considerable period. That is the purview of the US citizen.

Just curious about something -- who pays the legal fees in a civil case in
Canadian courts? Here in the U.S., each side is responsible for its own legal
fees, and personal injury lawyers typically work on contingency: the fee is a
portion of the settlement if they win, and nothing if they lose. This creates
an obvious incentive to sue at the drop of a hat, because both the plaintiff
and the lawyer have everything to gain, and nothing to lose, regardless of the
merits of the suit. One proposed solution is to make the losing side in any
civil suit responsible for the legal fees of the winner. Is that how it works
in Canada? Or are your lawyers simply less shark-like than ours?


We have better
things to do than support a growing army of personal injury lawyers. Up
here, we like to feed them to the sled dogs and make a tidy profit selling
tickets to the event.

When do the tix go on sale? I want to buy some...

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

If the Sawstop turns out to be good, reliable technology, I suspect you will
see others try it in the future. My biggest concern is they are going to
get the Government involved and we will have another safety feature
legislated down our throats. From what I read, that is already in process.

On the other hand, it seems to be a pretty good safety feature. Most of us
think we are safe in the shop. I was telling my wife about my 30-year
safety record a few years ago - about a week before I went to the emergency
room.

RonN

"Wilson" wrote in message
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Does anyone have one?
How's it compare to Unisaws?
Wilson

"Doug Miller" wrote in message

Just curious about something -- who pays the legal fees in a civil case in
Canadian courts? Here in the U.S., each side is responsible for its own
legal
fees, and personal injury lawyers typically work on contingency: the fee
is a
portion of the settlement if they win, and nothing if they lose. This
creates
an obvious incentive to sue at the drop of a hat, because both the
plaintiff
and the lawyer have everything to gain, and nothing to lose, regardless of
the
merits of the suit.

That's probably the biggest difference. While Canadian lawyers will
occasionally work on a contingency basis, it's much more the exception
rather than the rule. There generally has to be some pretty convincing
evidence on hand for our lawyers to take on a contingency case. We do have a
legal aid system, but to use it, one has to be very much on the destitute
side to benefit from it. For the most part, it's cash up front by the
plaintiff and that weeds out almost all of the large frivolous lawsuits.
Small claims court ($10,000 claims) with a less solemn setting is the
closest thing we have to the lawsuit at the drop of a hat scenario.

There is downside though in my opinion. Some cases that "should" be tried
never see the light of day in a court house. I guess that's the trade-off.

"RonB" wrote in message
...
If the Sawstop turns out to be good, reliable technology, I suspect you
will
see others try it in the future.

For the greater part, most will agree it's a good technology. The biggest
uproar about the SawStop is the attempt to make it a mandated safety
technology.

My biggest concern is they are going to
get the Government involved and we will have another safety feature
legislated down our throats. From what I read, that is already in
process.

It may happen, but it probably won't get that far because insurance concerns
will likely cause most businesses to adopt the technology anyway.

Upscale wrote:

Wow. You must be superman. I'm jealous of all you people who are
invulnerable and can't be hurt. You are the only people who can safely say
that you don't have accidents or do something stupid and regret it
afterwards.What is it like to be perfect?

You'll never know :-).

--
It's turtles, all the way down

On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 10:07:29 -0600, RonB wrote:

If the Sawstop turns out to be good, reliable technology, I suspect you will
see others try it in the future.

Not likely until the Sawstop patents expire. He approached the major
manufacturers and was rejected by all of them.

My biggest concern is they are going
to get the Government involved and we will have another safety feature
legislated down our throats. From what I read, that is already in
process.

He tried to get laws passed that would require his device on all saws.
The government told him to go to Hell.

On the other hand, it seems to be a pretty good safety feature. Most of
us think we are safe in the shop. I was telling my wife about my
30-year safety record a few years ago - about a week before I went to
the emergency room.

RonN

"Wilson" wrote in message
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Does anyone have one?
How's it compare to Unisaws?
Wilson



--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

"Upscale" wrote in message
...
..What is it like to be perfect?

It's lonely at the top but someone's got to do it.

"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...

He tried to get laws passed that would require his device on all saws.
The government told him to go to Hell.


LOL.. A little interpretation on your part?

"RonB" wrote in message
...
If the Sawstop turns out to be good, reliable technology, I suspect you
will see others try it in the future. My biggest concern is they are
going to get the Government involved and we will have another safety
feature legislated down our throats. From what I read, that is already in
process.

On the other hand, it seems to be a pretty good safety feature. Most of
us think we are safe in the shop. I was telling my wife about my 30-year
safety record a few years ago - about a week before I went to the
emergency room.

RonN

Those that think that they are immune are typically the most likely to get
hurt. Until you realize that you do not have total control you are
kinda going in blind.

On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 18:01:17 +0000, Leon wrote:

"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...

He tried to get laws passed that would require his device on all saws.
The government told him to go to Hell.


LOL.. A little interpretation on your part?

Well, he didn't get what he wanted.

--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

Those that think that they are immune are typically the most likely to get
hurt. Until you realize that you do not have total control you are
kinda going in blind.

Absolutely correct! I made a stupid assumption that when you turn the
switch off the TS blade stops. Walked away, realized I had left a cutoff
sitting on the tabletop. Over-reached the blade and ^%#&$.

RonB

"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 18:01:17 +0000, Leon wrote:

"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...

He tried to get laws passed that would require his device on all saws.
The government told him to go to Hell.


LOL.. A little interpretation on your part?

Well, he didn't get what he wanted.

Perhaps not the obvious but her certainly got a lot of recognition. Cheap
advertising.