Anyone have any experience using two-part epoxy on painted metal? I need to
"pull" some painted metal similar to automotive sheet metal into position
and hot glue simply doesn't stick well enough.

Ultimately, I'd like to save the paint under and around the epoxy, but if I
have to, I'll touch it up later. It's not critical but desirable...

Suggestions also welcome! I need at least 10-15 PSI pulling power without
the "stuff" letting go from the surface. In other words, plenty of stick...

I'm crossposting (eegads!) to the woodworking group since you folks also use
glues often and work with moth wood and metal lots...

Regards,
Joe Agro, Jr.
(800) 871-5022
(908) 542-0244
http://www.AutoDrill.com
http://www.Multi-Drill.com

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On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:33:25 GMT, "Joe AutoDrill" wrote:

Anyone have any experience using two-part epoxy on painted metal? I need to
"pull" some painted metal similar to automotive sheet metal into position
and hot glue simply doesn't stick well enough.

Ultimately, I'd like to save the paint under and around the epoxy, but if I
have to, I'll touch it up later. It's not critical but desirable...

Suggestions also welcome! I need at least 10-15 PSI pulling power without
the "stuff" letting go from the surface. In other words, plenty of stick...


Vacuum?


Regards,

Boris Mohar

Got Knock? - see:
Viatrack Printed Circuit Designs (among other things) http://www.viatrack.ca

"Boris Mohar" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:33:25 GMT, "Joe AutoDrill"
wrote:

Anyone have any experience using two-part epoxy on painted metal? I need
to
"pull" some painted metal similar to automotive sheet metal into position
and hot glue simply doesn't stick well enough.

It'd be worth the effort to look up some specialty hot-melts before you give
up.

One in particular comes to mind; it's a woodworker's hot-melt containing a
portion of beeswax. You can smell it. It has AMAZING tack and flexibility,
without that "plasticy" feel of most hot-melts.

I'll bet it would grab most any clean surface strongly enough to do what you
want.
It melts at about 275F, and is soluble in hot paraffin or polyester adipate.

LLoyd

I need at least 10-15 PSI pulling power without
the "stuff" letting go from the surface. In other words, plenty of
stick...



It depends on the epoxy - some works great and others don't. 15 psi is
nothing if the correct type of epoxy is used. Could be a PITA to clean up
since epoxy sticks so well - the good thing about it is it dries clear or
slightly yellow.

Vacuum?

Not a flat enough surface and I don't have a vacuum unit powerful enough.
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Regards,
Joe Agro, Jr.
(800) 871-5022
(908) 542-0244
http://www.AutoDrill.com
http://www.Multi-Drill.com

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"Joe AutoDrill" wrote in message
news2lMe.1159$wb.86@trndny05...
Anyone have any experience using two-part epoxy on painted metal? I need
to "pull" some painted metal similar to automotive sheet metal into
position and hot glue simply doesn't stick well enough.

Ultimately, I'd like to save the paint under and around the epoxy, but if
I have to, I'll touch it up later. It's not critical but desirable...

Suggestions also welcome! I need at least 10-15 PSI pulling power without
the "stuff" letting go from the surface. In other words, plenty of
stick...

I'm crossposting (eegads!) to the woodworking group since you folks also
use glues often and work with moth wood and metal lots...

Regards,
Joe Agro, Jr.
(800) 871-5022
(908) 542-0244
http://www.AutoDrill.com
http://www.Multi-Drill.com

V8013-R



Call a body shop and see if they have a "Dent Doctor" set up. That's the
stuff you need.

Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:

I'll bet it would grab most any clean surface strongly enough to do what you
want.

The problem with hot glue is, that it's cooling too fast down on metal.
_Maybe_ preheating the matal works.
Devcon or Loctite have decent two part epoxies. JB-Weld also is said to
be excellent. I would try these. But would not relay on the paint
sticking good enough on the metal.


Nick
--
Motormodelle / Engine Models:
http://www.motor-manufaktur.de
Ellwe 2FB * VTM 87 * DLM-S3a * cubic
more to come ...

Right on, Fred! AFAIK there is no 2-part epoxy that can stick painted
surfaces together and then be a cleaned off without a trace and/or damage to
the paint. Please let us know if you find some, though. For your intended
purpose I would try one of the "5-minute" epoxies and experiment with making
the pull before the epoxy was fully cured. It might be possible to remove
the partial cure with alcohol or some other solvent which doesn't attack
painted surfaces.

Bob Swinney
"Fred" wrote in message
...

I need at least 10-15 PSI pulling power without
the "stuff" letting go from the surface. In other words, plenty of
stick...



It depends on the epoxy - some works great and others don't. 15 psi is
nothing if the correct type of epoxy is used. Could be a PITA to clean up
since epoxy sticks so well - the good thing about it is it dries clear or
slightly yellow.

Call a body shop and see if they have a "Dent Doctor" set up. That's the
stuff you need.

We tried the "Pops-a-Dent" system which is similar with no luck... Thus the
inquiry.
--


Regards,
Joe Agro, Jr.
(800) 871-5022
(908) 542-0244
http://www.AutoDrill.com
http://www.Multi-Drill.com

V8013-R

A while back Brownells sent out a gunsmithing tech note which discussed
their epoxy called "Acraglass" and its development. According to them it's
not as good as the stuff on the space shuttle but far better than the common
store brands. You might want to give their tech support line a call and see
what they say.

Brownells Inc.
200 South Front Street
Montezuma, Iowa 50171

Tech: Open 8:30 am to 4:30 pm (U.S. CST)
Technical Support: 800-741-0015


Steve.




"Joe AutoDrill" wrote in message
news2lMe.1159$wb.86@trndny05...
Anyone have any experience using two-part epoxy on painted metal? I need
to "pull" some painted metal similar to automotive sheet metal into
position and hot glue simply doesn't stick well enough.

Ultimately, I'd like to save the paint under and around the epoxy, but if
I have to, I'll touch it up later. It's not critical but desirable...

Suggestions also welcome! I need at least 10-15 PSI pulling power without
the "stuff" letting go from the surface. In other words, plenty of
stick...

I'm crossposting (eegads!) to the woodworking group since you folks also
use glues often and work with moth wood and metal lots...

Regards,
Joe Agro, Jr.
(800) 871-5022
(908) 542-0244
http://www.AutoDrill.com
http://www.Multi-Drill.com

V8013-R

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:04:02 GMT, "Joe AutoDrill" wrote:

Vacuum?

Not a flat enough surface and I don't have a vacuum unit powerful enough.

Than try hot melt but like others said, preheat the surface. You may have to
be prepared to repaint so why not scuff the paint.


Regards,

Boris Mohar

Got Knock? - see:
Viatrack Printed Circuit Designs (among other things) http://www.viatrack.ca

Than try hot melt but like others said, preheat the surface. You may have
to
be prepared to repaint so why not scuff the paint.

I'm going to try the hot glue again tonight with semi-scuffed paint... But
the glue was delaminating from the "puller" too so we shall see!

Next is a 2 part epoxy and the quest to find something that dissolves it but
not paint... Last step is to simply remove the paint and all and do it
right but expensive...
--


Regards,
Joe Agro, Jr.
(800) 871-5022
(908) 542-0244
http://www.AutoDrill.com
http://www.Multi-Drill.com

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"Joe AutoDrill" wrote in message
news2lMe.1159$wb.86@trndny05...
Anyone have any experience using two-part epoxy on painted metal? I need
to "pull" some painted metal similar to automotive sheet metal into
position and hot glue simply doesn't stick well enough.

Ultimately, I'd like to save the paint under and around the epoxy, but if
I have to, I'll touch it up later. It's not critical but desirable...

Suggestions also welcome! I need at least 10-15 PSI pulling power
without the "stuff" letting go from the surface. In other words, plenty
of stick...

I'm crossposting (eegads!) to the woodworking group since you folks also
use glues often and work with moth wood and metal lots...

Regards,
Joe Agro, Jr.
(800) 871-5022
(908) 542-0244
http://www.AutoDrill.com
http://www.Multi-Drill.com



Devcon makes a good 5 min. epoxy......System Three makes a 24hr one called
T-88 -Really amazing stuff.

System Three - www.epoxyhelp.com I've bought it from www.rockler.com -
they have stores too.....

Either way, I can't see how you're gonna get it off the paint though. It
might even pull the paint off....

HTH

Jeff

Either way, I can't see how you're gonna get it off the paint though. It
might even pull the paint off....

If the paint goes..., It goes.... No hole is the absolute goal and paint
preserved is the dream goal.
--


Regards,
Joe Agro, Jr.
(800) 871-5022
(908) 542-0244
http://www.AutoDrill.com
http://www.Multi-Drill.com

V8013-R

Joe AutoDrill wrote:

I need to "pull" some painted metal similar to automotive sheet metal into
position and hot glue simply doesn't stick well enough.

Ah! Now I understand! There is a special glue for _exactly_ that
purpose. Go to a body work shop that is quite innovative and let them
show you their repair set for small dents.

No, please. Don't ask me for the name. But you could ask in a more car
related NG.


HTH,
Nick
--
Motormodelle / Engine Models:
http://www.motor-manufaktur.de
Ellwe 2FB * VTM 87 * DLM-S3a * cubic
more to come ...

I need to "pull" some painted metal similar to automotive sheet metal
into
position and hot glue simply doesn't stick well enough.

Ah! Now I understand! There is a special glue for _exactly_ that
purpose. Go to a body work shop that is quite innovative and let them
show you their repair set for small dents.

No, please. Don't ask me for the name. But you could ask in a more car
related NG.

I think that is the exact glue that is failing me now... I bought a
"Pops-a-Dent" paintless dent removal kit to try. The hot glue gun glue...
Say that ten times fast ... just delaminates from either the puller or the
paint.

Someone else suggested ePoxy then dry ice to get the epoxy off... Might try
that tonight.
--


Regards,
Joe Agro, Jr.
(800) 871-5022
(908) 542-0244
http://www.AutoDrill.com
http://www.Multi-Drill.com

V8013-R

Joe AutoDrill wrote:

I think that is the exact glue that is failing me now...

Ah, sorry, didn't understand this*)


I bought a "Pops-a-Dent" paintless dent removal kit to try. The hot glue
gun glue... Say that ten times fast ... just delaminates from either the
puller or the paint.

Greasy fingers? Greasy paint? Hot glue gun not hot enough?
Anyhow, this kind of glueing will _only_ hold if you pull dead staight.
A bit of tilting and off it goes.


*) OK, sometimes I'm a slow-brainer. But most times it's due to language
problems.


Nick
--
Motormodelle / Engine Models:
http://www.motor-manufaktur.de
Ellwe 2FB * VTM 87 * DLM-S3a * cubic
more to come ...

I think that is the exact glue that is failing me now...

Ah, sorry, didn't understand this*)

No apology necessary. The thread is getting longish now and people will soon
be asking me the basics again anyhow.

I bought a "Pops-a-Dent" paintless dent removal kit to try. The hot glue
gun glue... Say that ten times fast ... just delaminates from either the
puller or the paint.

Greasy fingers? Greasy paint? Hot glue gun not hot enough?
Anyhow, this kind of glueing will _only_ hold if you pull dead staight.
A bit of tilting and off it goes.

I didn't remove the wax from the paint... But the glue itself was splitting
between the painted surface and the puller itself so it wasn't adhesion that
I had much of a problem with... It seems to be the actual tensile strength
of the glue... I let it cool in 70 degree weather for 15 minutes prior to
pulling too...
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Regards,
Joe Agro, Jr.
(800) 871-5022
(908) 542-0244
http://www.AutoDrill.com
http://www.Multi-Drill.com

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"Joe AutoDrill" wrote in message
news2lMe.1159$wb.86@trndny05...
Anyone have any experience using two-part epoxy on painted metal? I need
to
"pull" some painted metal similar to automotive sheet metal into position
and hot glue simply doesn't stick well enough.

Ultimately, I'd like to save the paint under and around the epoxy, but if
I
have to, I'll touch it up later. It's not critical but desirable...

Suggestions also welcome! I need at least 10-15 PSI pulling power without
the "stuff" letting go from the surface. In other words, plenty of
stick...

I'm crossposting (eegads!) to the woodworking group since you folks also
use
glues often and work with moth wood and metal lots...

Regards,
Joe Agro, Jr.
(800) 871-5022
(908) 542-0244
http://www.AutoDrill.com
http://www.Multi-Drill.com

V8013-R


The double sided tape used in automotive applications
to stick in windows on the likes of Toyota FJ75 Troop
Carriers. Its a "mastic" type glue and has amzing sticking
power - Selleys sell some similar stuff in those tubes but
not as strong as the tape but would probably do the job
that you want.

In article lvqMe.2332$yb.977@trndny01,
"Joe AutoDrill" wrote:

Either way, I can't see how you're gonna get it off the paint though. It
might even pull the paint off....

If the paint goes..., It goes.... No hole is the absolute goal and paint
preserved is the dream goal.

If you only need 10-15 psi, try a rubber suction cup. No hole, saves
paint, and has a lot of pull.

--
Free men own guns, slaves don't
www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5357/

A lot of people on the list have addressed the various adhesives but that
isn't where your problem is.
Rather the problem is that as you pull the dent, the edges delaminate
becauuse they are up to whree they belong and thus stop moving. This allows
air in and thus the problem. You need to have a flexible puller so that it
will flex with the metal.
I'd probalby use some rubber to attach to the metal with a good adhesive
like weatherseal adhesive (high tack and strength) and then a relatively
thin metal puller plate over that.
IN addition, you may also want to increase the pressure on the metal from
the backside with another rubber coated surface

--
Why do penguins walk so far to get to their nesting grounds?

I know of a great solvent for 2 part epoxy, but it also removes paint
as far as I know. If you want to try, it is Jasco Paint and Epoxy
remover. I think it is a mix of acetone, tolulene, and xylene or
something like that.

Bob May wrote:
...

Why do penguins walk so far to get to their nesting grounds?


Maybe all the fights are booked?

--

FF

"Joe AutoDrill" wrote in message
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| Anyone have any experience using two-part epoxy on painted metal? I need
to
| "pull" some painted metal similar to automotive sheet metal into position
| and hot glue simply doesn't stick well enough.
SNIP

Got a new one for you. Get a really good masking or other strong and
paper like tape, like the 3M stuff and carefully spread it about the area
you need to work. Rub it in good so that the tape adheres perfectly
everywhere. Apply some adhesive that is flexible enough to accommodate the
expected flexing to the tape and your pulling tool. The trick here is that
the strength of the tape in the vertical direction (not tensile or shear, as
tape is measured, but in a direction perpendicular to the surface) is
phenomenal, but and most adhesive sticks to the tape really well, therefore
the tape provides the stiction you can't get from the adhesive directly to
the surface, not to mention that you can use a wider variety of adhesives.

Should work, except it won't make semi-gloss. Satin is already half
way between semigloss and matte. mixing matte and glossy would make
semigloss. So it should be fine, just a bit shinier than semigloss.
Maybe counteract by adding more satin than glossy. Experiment.

oops, wrong thread.

Don't know how my computer pulled that one on me.

"woodworker88" wrote in message
oups.com...
oops, wrong thread.

Don't know how my computer pulled that one on me.

LOL You had me wondering about the relevance of that comment for a sec.

--


Regards,
Joe Agro, Jr.
(800) 871-5022
(908) 542-0244
http://www.AutoDrill.com
http://www.Multi-Drill.com

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Keywords:
In article , "SteveF" wrote:
A while back Brownells sent out a gunsmithing tech note which discussed
their epoxy called "Acraglass" and its development. According to them it's
not as good as the stuff on the space shuttle but far better than the common
store brands. You might want to give their tech support line a call and see
what they say.

Brownells Inc.
200 South Front Street
Montezuma, Iowa 50171

Tech: Open 8:30 am to 4:30 pm (U.S. CST)
Technical Support: 800-741-0015

The best epoxy I've ever used is Hysol brand. It was the prefered stuff
for communications satellites I worked on, and I've very rarely had it
fail in home applications. In general, the slower the cure, the stronger
the epoxy. 5 minute stuff is usually much weaker than the slower setting
ones. Surface prep is always important.

Doug White

Roger & Lorraine Martin wrote:



The double sided tape used in automotive applications
to stick in windows on the likes of Toyota FJ75 Troop
Carriers. Its a "mastic" type glue and has amzing sticking
power - Selleys sell some similar stuff in those tubes but
not as strong as the tape but would probably do the job
that you want.

Yes, or double sticky carpet tape. Laquer thinner (I think)
will remove the glue residue.

--

FF