Ian wrote:

There have been numerous terrorists groups, and they rarely share a
religious theame. I can accept that world wide terrorest groups have been
few and far between - most are tackling a particular local issue - whether
it be something in Ireland, of France (neither of which are linked to the
world wide movements, except regarding shared training etc).

There's the rub, funding from US citizens supported training for the IRA
and their "brothers-in-arms" in the middle east they trained with...
What goes around, comes around?

It certainly does.

"Badger" wrote in message
...
Ian wrote:

There have been numerous terrorists groups, and they rarely share a
religious theame. I can accept that world wide terrorest groups have
been few and far between - most are tackling a particular local issue -
whether it be something in Ireland, of France (neither of which are
linked to the world wide movements, except regarding shared training
etc).

There's the rub, funding from US citizens supported training for the IRA
and their "brothers-in-arms" in the middle east they trained with...
What goes around, comes around?

Mark & Juanita wrote:

snipped


and it was an absolutely brilliant strategic attack --- NOT. Here they
picked a time to attack when the western leaders were meeting to pressure
one another and particularly the US into adopting some policies that could
help derail western civilization (e.g., reducing CO2 emissions by 60% in
the UK by 2010(?)

These assholes could care less about the environment or anything similar
to those types of issues. They are bored, ****ed off, & hungry (they
live in a freaking desert where they can't grow food!) have little
water, not future and they want attention. They get it by targeting
places where large gatherings of people are and blowing them up in the
name of Allah. Allah my ass! Allah didn't tell them to do that. If
you could actually sit down and talk with one of the extremists I
suspect they couldn't tell you what would make them happy, except to
kill other people perhaps. Nuke the whole damned place and turn it into
a huge glassland, then shatter it by dropping a large rock on it.
John

John B wrote:



Please remove splinters before emailing

I don't have any "Politically correct" answers and I don't reckon our
Govt's do either.
However I do have a feeling that the terrorists are really pushing the
bounds of sanity and the only outcome's are a) Staggering about in the
dark, as we are, and taking out a few here and there and gritting our
teeth and suffering our loses, both military and civilian.
b)Stepping back to a WWII style incarceration of POSSIBLE terrorists and
an all out war on countries that show any support for these animals.
Neither option appeals. but we have to do something.

You cannot fight them on our liberal terms or methods. If we are to
fight them then it must be by their methods. I would hope that we in
the US have learned this since Vietnam (the whiney assed crybaby
liberals won't have) and that other countries saw the futility of that
exchange. IOW, **** or get off the pot!
John

Prometheus wrote:


The way I understand it, that Democrats are somewhat like our
Liberals...our Conservatives are more like Republicans. We also have
Socialists up here although in a small minority.


Is *our* Canadian or British here? Either way, the way I understand
it (judging from BBC radio) is that US Democrats are like European
conservatives, and Republicans are far right of anything in other
western societies. I think our Greens are more like your liberals
than the Democrats are, but they're a very weak party.


US Political Parties:
http://www.politics1.com/parties.htm

Badger wrote:

Ian wrote:

There have been numerous terrorists groups, and they rarely share a
religious theame. I can accept that world wide terrorest groups have
been few and far between - most are tackling a particular local issue
- whether it be something in Ireland, of France (neither of which are
linked to the world wide movements, except regarding shared training
etc).


There's the rub, funding from US citizens supported training for the IRA
and their "brothers-in-arms" in the middle east they trained with...
What goes around, comes around?

Yes, we in the US have done some pretty pathetic **** in the past, but
it certainly doesn't deter others from coming to us in their time of
need(?) with their hands out begging for money, support and us to help
fight their war for them. Many are quick to condem but even quicker to
put their hands out for the freebies.
John

On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 19:07:20 GMT, jo4hn wrote:
snip

We need better intelligence, intelligent interpretation, and imaginative strategists who can devise a reasonable doable plan to
alleviate the situations.

The problem with that, John, is that Military Intelligence is an oxymoron..
I know, I was an "operations intelligence NCO", better known as a mushroom...



mac

Please remove splinters before emailing

On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 22:55:05 -0700, Mark & Juanita wrote:

You have to cut off the supply and source to the terrorists -- yes, they
can decapitate one person at a time if all they have is knives, but they
are also more vulnerable and isolated. Your invisible enemy in Vietnam was
being supplied and you weren't allowed to seriously affect the source of
their support. We can't let that happen with the current situation; those
who are perpetrating these acts are after more than just control of a few
third world countries.



yep.. I agree completely... just wish I knew (or someone did) how to stop their
supply..


mac

Please remove splinters before emailing

Mark & Juanita wrote in
:

(snip yada yada yada)

This one has about as much to do with woodworking as the baptismal thread.
Shouldn't y'all be off making pointy sticks or pukey ducks or something?

"Dave D" wrote in
:


"Nate Perkins" wrote in message
25.201...
Mark & Juanita wrote in
:

(snip yada yada yada)

This one has about as much to do with woodworking as the baptismal
thread. Shouldn't y'all be off making pointy sticks or pukey ducks or
something?

We could set up a wood lathe to turn out more assholes like you.


Predictable. Do you even know how to operate a wood lathe?

In article ,
says...
John B wrote:



Please remove splinters before emailing

I don't have any "Politically correct" answers and I don't reckon our
Govt's do either.
However I do have a feeling that the terrorists are really pushing the
bounds of sanity and the only outcome's are a) Staggering about in the
dark, as we are, and taking out a few here and there and gritting our
teeth and suffering our loses, both military and civilian.
b)Stepping back to a WWII style incarceration of POSSIBLE terrorists and
an all out war on countries that show any support for these animals.
Neither option appeals. but we have to do something.

You cannot fight them on our liberal terms or methods. If we are to
fight them then it must be by their methods. I would hope that we in
the US have learned this since Vietnam (the whiney assed crybaby
liberals won't have) and that other countries saw the futility of that
exchange. IOW, **** or get off the pot!
John


So when are you shipping out. It'd be nice having someone go over there
who would not be missed in order to support the morraly bankrupt liars
who started this whole mess.

"Mark & Juanita" wrote:

On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 18:51:22 -0500, "Morris Dovey"
wrote:

I send my condolences and good wishes to not only the woodworkers, but
all of the good people in London and throughout the UK.


From here as well; I hope none of our British WW colleagues were
harmed by these animals.

I doubt the terrorists realize the extent to which they are
strengthening the bonds between those they attack - and I earnestly
hope they learn that they make themselves brother to no man.

... and hopefully also strengthening our resolve. Terrorists can only
survive and flourish with the imprimatur of nations or groups that
coddle and nurture them. Having the free people of the world divided
against one another while those who would kill and enslave us are
wandering free to commit more such acts is not the way to stop these
madmen.

The Moslem "RELIGION" should be treated like the Nazi and Fascist parties
were after the great war. Islam is just a giant think tank for evil, and
it is the number one threat in this world to Christianity. Society has
become too politically correct.

VK

In article ,
"Vito Kuhn" wrote:

Society has
become too politically correct.

Well..let me make a politically correct adjustment, and in the
meanwhile, why don't you go take a flying **** at a rolling donut.

There...all better now?.

On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 15:39:29 -0400, Robatoy wrote:
In article ,
"Vito Kuhn" wrote:

Society has
become too politically correct.

Well..let me make a politically correct adjustment, and in the
meanwhile, why don't you go take a flying **** at a rolling donut.

WTF is Vito doing back? I thought he was busy in the .kooks group.

In article ,
Dave Hinz wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 15:39:29 -0400, Robatoy wrote:
In article ,
"Vito Kuhn" wrote:

Society has
become too politically correct.

Well..let me make a politically correct adjustment, and in the
meanwhile, why don't you go take a flying **** at a rolling donut.

WTF is Vito doing back? I thought he was busy in the .kooks group.

Telling Vito to **** off is terribly immature...but it feels so goooood!

On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 16:55:25 -0400, Robatoy wrote:
In article ,
Dave Hinz wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 15:39:29 -0400, Robatoy wrote:
In article ,
"Vito Kuhn" wrote:

Society has
become too politically correct.

Well..let me make a politically correct adjustment, and in the
meanwhile, why don't you go take a flying **** at a rolling donut.

WTF is Vito doing back? I thought he was busy in the .kooks group.

Telling Vito to **** off is terribly immature...but it feels so goooood!

ehhhh.....it's a troll, and a poor one at that. Why bother? Just
killfile the idiot and get on with life. It's not like it ever posted
anything interesting, or even amusing.

Robatoy wrote:
In article ,
"Vito Kuhn" wrote:


Society has
become too politically correct.


Well..let me make a politically correct adjustment, and in the
meanwhile, why don't you go take a flying **** at a rolling donut.

There...all better now?.

Nope - the politically correct way to state that is as follows: an
aviated intercourse at a motivated perforated pastry.

John

In article ,
Dave Hinz wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 16:55:25 -0400, Robatoy wrote:
In article ,
Dave Hinz wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 15:39:29 -0400, Robatoy wrote:
In article ,
"Vito Kuhn" wrote:

Society has
become too politically correct.

Well..let me make a politically correct adjustment, and in the
meanwhile, why don't you go take a flying **** at a rolling donut.

WTF is Vito doing back? I thought he was busy in the .kooks group.

Telling Vito to **** off is terribly immature...but it feels so goooood!

ehhhh.....it's a troll, and a poor one at that. Why bother? Just
killfile the idiot and get on with life. It's not like it ever posted
anything interesting, or even amusing.

I'll try to behave... *hauling Vito off to the Kill file*

On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 15:39:29 -0400, Robatoy
wrote:

In article ,
"Vito Kuhn" wrote:

Society has
become too politically correct.

Well..let me make a politically correct adjustment, and in the
meanwhile, why don't you go take a flying **** at a rolling donut.

There...all better now?.


I don't know where or how you boys grew up, but in my neighborhood, we
didn't pick on cripples.

Vito is obviously challenged, in more ways than one.

I'd let the man alone.

(This wasn't directed particularly at you Rob, it was just a
convenient place to put this into the thread.)


Tom Watson - WoodDorker
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (email)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/ (website)

"Dave D" wrote in
:

....
Predictable. Do you even know how to operate a wood lathe?

Yes dipstick, I was operating both wood and metal lathes probably
before you were out of diapers (oh that would be last year wudnt
it).... Dave D

On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 20:12:53 -0400, the opaque Robatoy
clearly wrote:
--snip--
ehhhh.....it's a troll, and a poor one at that. Why bother? Just
killfile the idiot and get on with life. It's not like it ever posted
anything interesting, or even amusing.

I'll try to behave...

Yeah, you said that the last time, too...


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On 11 Jul 2005 20:39:16 +0200, in rec.woodworking, "Vito Kuhn"
wrote:

The Moslem "RELIGION" should be treated like the Nazi and Fascist parties
were after the great war. Islam is just a giant think tank for evil, and
it is the number one threat in this world to Christianity. Society has
become too politically correct.

Vito how is any religion better than the next?

Man would be far better off without the evil of religion...

God save me from your followers...



--
Ak'toh'di

In article ,
Bob Officer wrote:

On 11 Jul 2005 20:39:16 +0200, in rec.woodworking, "Vito Kuhn"
wrote:

The Moslem "RELIGION" should be treated like the Nazi and Fascist parties
were after the great war. Islam is just a giant think tank for evil, and
it is the number one threat in this world to Christianity. Society has
become too politically correct.

Vito how is any religion better than the next?

Man would be far better off without the evil of religion...

im sure a few million corpses in siberia and cambodia would agree

humanity would be far better off without the dogma
declaring what it would be better off without

arf meow arf - dogs and cats living together

the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed
but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed

On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 18:48:50 -0600, Dave Balderstone
wrote:

In article , Morris Dovey
wrote:

I send my condolences and good wishes to not only the woodworkers, but
all of the good people in London and throughout the UK.

I doubt the terrorists realize the extent to which they are
strengthening the bonds between those they attack - and I earnestly
hope they learn that they make themselves brother to no man.

Terrorizing London with bombs was tried in the past. One A. Hitler
thought it would somehow cow the British people and further his goal of
world domination. I don't understand why the Islamofascists think they
can succeed where he failed.

Because they have the BBC working for them (and many others).

Right now I'm listening to the Mayor of London claiming Muslims are
the victims.

History is nice but what if (save the obvious FEW) the sons and
daughters of Heros are not.

Here we have a nation of 300 million and the Army is unable to fill
it's recruitment quotas. Make all the qualifications you want it
doesn't paint a good picture.






------------------------------------------

When Britain first at Heav'n's command
Arose from out the azure main;
This was the charter of the land,
And guardian angels sang this strain;

Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves:
Britons never will be slaves.

The nations not so blest as thee,
Shall in their turns to tyrants fall;
While thou shalt flourish great and free,
The dread and envy of them all.

Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves:
Britons never will be slaves.

Still mor majestic shalt thou rise,
More dreadful from each foreign stroke;
As the loud blast that tears the skies,
Serves but to root thy native oak.

Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves:
Britons never will be slaves.

Thee haughty tyrants ne'er shall tame,
All their attempts to bend thee down
Will but arouse thy generous flame;
But work their woe, and thy renown.

Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves:
Britons never will be slaves.

To thee belongs the rural reign;
They cities shall with commerce shine;
All thine shall be the subject main,
And every shore it circles thine.

Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves:
Britons never will be slaves.

The Muses, still with freedom found,
Shall to thy happy coast repair;
Blest Isle! With matchless beauty crowned,
And manly hearts to juide the fair.

Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves:
Britons never will be slaves.

On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 11:30:53 -0500, Patriarch
wrote:

"Pounds on Wood" wrote in
:



"Robatoy" wrote in message
...
It has become increasingly difficult to see who is taking what fight to
whom. The hard part for me is to accept that radical fanaticism only
exists in Islamic guise. Atrocities are taking place on both sides of
the fence and 'taking the fight to the terrorists' doesn't seem to be
working.... in fact (imho) the strengthening of the bonds is a sword
that cuts both ways.
Again, I ask myself who benefits from this last action?
.
.


Yea, if we would just back off and leave them alone, then they would go
away. Riiiight. Dip****!

That's NOT what I read in Rob's note.

Questioning who benefits from this MIGHT lead to an understanding of
motivation. Knowing who is against you, and why, is key to a resolution,
through whatever means is available.

Retaliate against the wrong 'them', and really lose.

Patriarch

sounds like the bleeding heart liberal refrain of "if we can only
understand them" We need only understand them enough to know the most
effective ways to kill them. It would be to their benefit that we did
cuz there will come a day, after another 9/11 or two, that Americans
demand millions die and not be to particular about who they are.

Another candidate for secretary of state...where do you people come from?

John Emmons

"Sniffer" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 11:30:53 -0500, Patriarch
wrote:

"Pounds on Wood" wrote in
:



"Robatoy" wrote in message
...
It has become increasingly difficult to see who is taking what fight
to
whom. The hard part for me is to accept that radical fanaticism only
exists in Islamic guise. Atrocities are taking place on both sides of
the fence and 'taking the fight to the terrorists' doesn't seem to be
working.... in fact (imho) the strengthening of the bonds is a sword
that cuts both ways.
Again, I ask myself who benefits from this last action?
.
.


Yea, if we would just back off and leave them alone, then they would go
away. Riiiight. Dip****!

That's NOT what I read in Rob's note.

Questioning who benefits from this MIGHT lead to an understanding of
motivation. Knowing who is against you, and why, is key to a resolution,
through whatever means is available.

Retaliate against the wrong 'them', and really lose.

Patriarch

sounds like the bleeding heart liberal refrain of "if we can only
understand them" We need only understand them enough to know the most
effective ways to kill them. It would be to their benefit that we did
cuz there will come a day, after another 9/11 or two, that Americans
demand millions die and not be to particular about who they are.

Robatoy wrote:
...

Democratic as in Democrats or as in Democracy?
The way I understand it, that Democrats are somewhat like our
Liberals...our Conservatives are more like Republicans. We also have
Socialists up here although in a small minority.


It used to be that our Republicans were like your Conservatives and
our Democrats were also like your conservatives.

Nowadays our Democrats are like your Conservatives and I hope you
haven't got anyone like our Republicans.

... I'm sure that you are familiar with that phenomena as
well as Bush ain't no Reagan and Clinton was no LBJ.

Looks like Bush is an LBJ without the redeeming social graces ...

--

FF

Sniffer wrote:
Right now I'm listening to the Mayor of London claiming Muslims are
the victims.

Red Ken making sure of re-election...

in 1222921 20050728 010140 Sniffer wrote:

Right now I'm listening to the Mayor of London claiming Muslims are
the victims.

He's referring to the anti-Asian backlash among whites.
Mosques have been subject to arson attacks.

"John Emmons" wrote in
:

Another candidate for secretary of state...where do you people come
from?

John Emmons


I know where I've filed his future commentary...

On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:37:10 -0500, Patriarch
wrote:

"John Emmons" wrote in
:

Another candidate for secretary of state...where do you people come
from?

John Emmons


I know where I've filed his future commentary...

haha so you two world leaders weren't convienced by the results of
9/11 ? Two nations down in the heart of Islam and somehow you think
that after a couple more attacks similar to 9/11 the American people
won't demand results ?

comeon guys if you are going to be so contemptuous don't check your
brain at the door.

I didn't need to be "convinced" of anything so I don't know what you're
referring to.

I have no idea what "two nations down in the heart of Islam" is in reference
to so I can't comment on that either.

I think that the American people demand results all the time and the current
administration has mastered the art of convincing them that they, and only
they can deliver those results. Which is of course nonsensical. Once the
American people start to understand that there's a whole world outside our
borders and that a lot of people who populate that world are more than a
little comtemptuous of us, maybe things will get better. But I doubt it.

Mr. Bush and his cronies will go down in history as perhaps the worst
president that this country ever had. Quite a legacy for a Yalie pretending
to be a cowboy.

And as for being contemptous, I'm always contemptous of people who's sole
method of dealing with conflict is to try and kill everyone that they're in
conflict with. It hasn't worked yet, if it did, we wouldn't be involved in
so many conflicts around the world.

Don't check your brain at the door.

John Emmons

"Sniffer" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:37:10 -0500, Patriarch
wrote:

"John Emmons" wrote in
:

Another candidate for secretary of state...where do you people come
from?

John Emmons


I know where I've filed his future commentary...

haha so you two world leaders weren't convienced by the results of
9/11 ? Two nations down in the heart of Islam and somehow you think
that after a couple more attacks similar to 9/11 the American people
won't demand results ?

comeon guys if you are going to be so contemptuous don't check your
brain at the door.

"John Emmons" wrote in message
...

Don't check your brain at the door.

As you have.

On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 03:35:12 GMT, "John Emmons"
wrote:

I didn't need to be "convinced" of anything so I don't know what you're
referring to.

I have no idea what "two nations down in the heart of Islam" is in reference
to so I can't comment on that either.

That's because you are willful idiot. Thanks for confirming my
original opinion of you

I think that the American people demand results all the time and the current
administration has mastered the art of convincing them that they, and only
they can deliver those results. Which is of course nonsensical. Once the
you are delusional. Your problem with this admin is they are not
Democrats. End of story.

American people start to understand that there's a whole world outside our
borders and that a lot of people who populate that world are more than a
little comtemptuous of us, maybe things will get better. But I doubt it.
So the "American people" are stupid ? Are you an American? But YOU
aren't stupid are you? YOU are worldly and sophisticated. YOU know
what others think? How can you tell the difference between the
contempt you perceive and the one you have ?


Mr. Bush and his cronies will go down in history as perhaps the worst
president that this country ever had. Quite a legacy for a Yalie pretending
to be a cowboy.
Next you'll say it was only a blowjob. Yes well, it's not at all the
same as pretending to be adolescent horndog with astroturf in the back
of his el camino eh? Now there is a president with a pedigree.

And as for being contemptous, I'm always contemptous of people who's sole
method of dealing with conflict is to try and kill everyone that they're in
conflict with. It hasn't worked yet, if it did, we wouldn't be involved in
it hasn't? now you are just lying. Ask the germans and japanese if
it worked. But hey whatever, I'm contemptuous of those who want to
pause and try to understand those that are killing us NOW, then spend
years trying to open a meaningful dialog, while constantly berating
the USA for being ... name your fav sin here ..
so many conflicts around the world.
yup, on 9/10 that was true ... unless you would like make a bill of
indictments against the US now ... plz do


Don't check your brain at the door.

what difference does it make you did
John Emmons

"Sniffer" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:37:10 -0500, Patriarch
wrote:

"John Emmons" wrote in
:

Another candidate for secretary of state...where do you people come
from?

John Emmons


I know where I've filed his future commentary...

haha so you two world leaders weren't convienced by the results of
9/11 ? Two nations down in the heart of Islam and somehow you think
that after a couple more attacks similar to 9/11 the American people
won't demand results ?

comeon guys if you are going to be so contemptuous don't check your
brain at the door.