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"WASHINGTON -- In a surprise move, the United States will begin fingerprinting and photographing millions of visitors from allied European and Pacific nations who now are exempt from such procedures, Homeland Security Department officials said Friday........ Since January, travelers from most foreign countries have had their digital photographs and fingerprints checked against U.S. security data bases. But 27 so-called “visa waiver” countries -- whose citizens do not have to obtain advance permission for most short visits to the United States -- have been exempted. That will no longer be the case after Sept. 30, Homeland Security Under Secretary Asa Hutchinson said. Hutchinson, who oversees border and transportation protection, said the decision to end the exemption would close what many people in the government consider to be a loophole in screening, with minimum inconvenience for arriving visitors........" http://www.detnews.com/2004/nation/0...ion-111392.htm Interesting how this will be implemented after the summer tourist season, the Homeland Security Department must have "solid" intelligence to be sure that terrorists don't like traveling in busy times.. John |
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John wrote in message ...
"WASHINGTON -- In a surprise move, the United States will begin fingerprinting and photographing millions of visitors from allied European and Pacific nations who now are exempt from such procedures, Homeland Security Department officials said Friday........ Since January, travelers from most foreign countries have had their digital photographs and fingerprints checked against U.S. security data bases. But 27 so-called ?visa waiver? countries -- whose citizens do not have to obtain advance permission for most short visits to the United States -- have been exempted. That will no longer be the case after Sept. 30, Homeland Security Under Secretary Asa Hutchinson said. Hutchinson, who oversees border and transportation protection, said the decision to end the exemption would close what many people in the government consider to be a loophole in screening, with minimum inconvenience for arriving visitors........" It's about time! Many European countries have been doing this for years. Harry C. |
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Harry Conover wrote:
John wrote in message ... "WASHINGTON -- In a surprise move, the United States will begin fingerprinting and photographing millions of visitors from allied European and Pacific nations who now are exempt from such procedures, Homeland Security Department officials said Friday........ Since January, travelers from most foreign countries have had their digital photographs and fingerprints checked against U.S. security data bases. But 27 so-called ?visa waiver? countries -- whose citizens do not have to obtain advance permission for most short visits to the United States -- have been exempted. That will no longer be the case after Sept. 30, Homeland Security Under Secretary Asa Hutchinson said. Hutchinson, who oversees border and transportation protection, said the decision to end the exemption would close what many people in the government consider to be a loophole in screening, with minimum inconvenience for arriving visitors........" It's about time! Many European countries have been doing this for years. Harry C. Care to name any? John |
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On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 17:24:15 +1200, John wrote:
Harry Conover wrote: John wrote in message ... "WASHINGTON -- In a surprise move, the United States will begin fingerprinting and photographing millions of visitors from allied European and Pacific nations who now are exempt from such procedures, Homeland Security Department officials said Friday........ Since January, travelers from most foreign countries have had their digital photographs and fingerprints checked against U.S. security data bases. But 27 so-called ?visa waiver? countries -- whose citizens do not have to obtain advance permission for most short visits to the United States -- have been exempted. That will no longer be the case after Sept. 30, Homeland Security Under Secretary Asa Hutchinson said. Hutchinson, who oversees border and transportation protection, said the decision to end the exemption would close what many people in the government consider to be a loophole in screening, with minimum inconvenience for arriving visitors........" It's about time! Many European countries have been doing this for years. Harry C. Care to name any? John When was the last time you had to leave your passport with the front desk at any motel/hotel in the US? Gunner "By calling attention to 'a well regulated militia', the 'security' of the nation, and the right of each citizen 'to keep and bear arms', our founding fathers recognized the essentially civilian nature of our economy. Although it is extremely unlikely that the fears of governmental tyranny which gave rise to the Second Amendment will ever be a major danger to our nation, the Amendment still remains an important declaration of our basic civilian-military relationships, in which every citizen must be ready to participate in the defense of his country. For that reason, I believe the Second Amendment will always be important." -- Senator John F. Kennedy, (D) 1960 |
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Gunner wrote:
On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 17:24:15 +1200, John wrote: Harry Conover wrote: John wrote in message ... "WASHINGTON -- In a surprise move, the United States will begin fingerprinting and photographing millions of visitors from allied European and Pacific nations who now are exempt from such procedures, Homeland Security Department officials said Friday........ Since January, travelers from most foreign countries have had their digital photographs and fingerprints checked against U.S. security data bases. But 27 so-called ?visa waiver? countries -- whose citizens do not have to obtain advance permission for most short visits to the United States -- have been exempted. That will no longer be the case after Sept. 30, Homeland Security Under Secretary Asa Hutchinson said. Hutchinson, who oversees border and transportation protection, said the decision to end the exemption would close what many people in the government consider to be a loophole in screening, with minimum inconvenience for arriving visitors........" It's about time! Many European countries have been doing this for years. Harry C. Care to name any? John When was the ... Gunner If you haven't got answers, don't bother commenting.. John |
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"John" wrote in message ... "WASHINGTON -- In a surprise move, the United States will begin fingerprinting and photographing millions of visitors from allied European and Pacific nations who now are exempt from such procedures, Homeland Security Department officials said Friday........ snip Hi, I'm from Australia, been to the US once before and would not be put off coming back because of this. I think it's a good thing. regards, John |
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"john johnson" wrote in message u... "John" wrote in message ... "WASHINGTON -- In a surprise move, the United States will begin fingerprinting and photographing millions of visitors from allied European and Pacific nations who now are exempt from such procedures, Homeland Security Department officials said Friday........ snip Hi, I'm from Australia, been to the US once before and would not be put off coming back because of this. I think it's a good thing. regards, John Likewise. Who cares about fingerprints? I'm much more intimidated by the culture of tipping in the USA. Jeff (in Sydney) |
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On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 20:36:33 +1200, John wrote:
When was the ... Gunner If you haven't got answers, don't bother commenting.. John I asked a question John. Unable to answer or face the ramifications of your answer? Gunner "By calling attention to 'a well regulated militia', the 'security' of the nation, and the right of each citizen 'to keep and bear arms', our founding fathers recognized the essentially civilian nature of our economy. Although it is extremely unlikely that the fears of governmental tyranny which gave rise to the Second Amendment will ever be a major danger to our nation, the Amendment still remains an important declaration of our basic civilian-military relationships, in which every citizen must be ready to participate in the defense of his country. For that reason, I believe the Second Amendment will always be important." -- Senator John F. Kennedy, (D) 1960 |
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On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 08:22:44 GMT, the renowned Gunner
wrote: On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 17:24:15 +1200, John wrote: Harry Conover wrote: John wrote in message ... "WASHINGTON -- In a surprise move, the United States will begin fingerprinting and photographing millions of visitors from allied European and Pacific nations who now are exempt from such procedures, Homeland Security Department officials said Friday........ Since January, travelers from most foreign countries have had their digital photographs and fingerprints checked against U.S. security data bases. But 27 so-called ?visa waiver? countries -- whose citizens do not have to obtain advance permission for most short visits to the United States -- have been exempted. That will no longer be the case after Sept. 30, Homeland Security Under Secretary Asa Hutchinson said. Hutchinson, who oversees border and transportation protection, said the decision to end the exemption would close what many people in the government consider to be a loophole in screening, with minimum inconvenience for arriving visitors........" It's about time! Many European countries have been doing this for years. Harry C. Care to name any? John There are not any. This is the cutting edge of freedom and privacy restriction. When was the last time you had to leave your passport with the front desk at any motel/hotel in the US? Gunner Only place I've ever had to do that is in the totalitarian/communist countries of Eastern Europe. Not even in China. Not a very high standard, I must say. And NEVER any &*$#$*&$ fingerprints, ANYWHWERE, even in the most corrupt, totalitarian hellhole like Romania. It won't, *CAN'T*, be restricted just to foreigners either, because they won't be able to be absolutely sure that someone carrying a US passport is not a ringer without biometrics on EVERYBODY who travels. What an ugly world that is being created. Taking away people's rights and privacy for the promise of security will be just about exactly as effective as gun control has been. Best regards, Spehro Pefhany -- "it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com |
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On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 19:21:28 +1000, "A.Gent" wrote:
"john johnson" wrote in message . au... "John" wrote in message ... "WASHINGTON -- In a surprise move, the United States will begin fingerprinting and photographing millions of visitors from allied European and Pacific nations who now are exempt from such procedures, Homeland Security Department officials said Friday........ snip Hi, I'm from Australia, been to the US once before and would not be put off coming back because of this. I think it's a good thing. regards, John Likewise. Who cares about fingerprints? I'm much more intimidated by the culture of tipping in the USA. Jeff (in Sydney) If you think tipping sucks than do not go anywhere where baksheesh is extorted. -- Boris Mohar |
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On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 10:06:06 -0400, the renowned Boris Mohar
wrote: On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 19:21:28 +1000, "A.Gent" wrote: "john johnson" wrote in message .au... "John" wrote in message ... "WASHINGTON -- In a surprise move, the United States will begin fingerprinting and photographing millions of visitors from allied European and Pacific nations who now are exempt from such procedures, Homeland Security Department officials said Friday........ snip Hi, I'm from Australia, been to the US once before and would not be put off coming back because of this. I think it's a good thing. regards, John Likewise. Who cares about fingerprints? I'm much more intimidated by the culture of tipping in the USA. Jeff (in Sydney) If you think tipping sucks than do not go anywhere where baksheesh is extorted. Service seems to be *way* better where *substantial* (not the Euro practice of rounding up to the next even $1.25 after 15% has already been involuntarily added to your bill) tipping is the norm. I understand baksheesh can cut through red tape that we just have to live with. shrug I've got no problem with tipping so long as I understand the "rules". It's a little unclear when you're dealing with a proprietor what you're supposed to do. If in doubt tip, and either tip well or not at all (or just a penny/nickel if you really want to show displeasure with terrible service) is my rule. Best regards, Spehro Pefhany -- "it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com |
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"Spehro Pefhany" wrote in message
... On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 08:22:44 GMT, the renowned Gunner wrote: .. When was the last time you had to leave your passport with the front desk at any motel/hotel in the US? Gunner Only place I've ever had to do that is in the totalitarian/communist countries of Eastern Europe. Not even in China. Not a very high standard, I must say. And NEVER any &*$#$*&$ fingerprints, ANYWHWERE, even in the most corrupt, totalitarian hellhole like Romania. It must have been a while since Gunner travelled abroad. The last time my passport was held at a hotel desk was in Paris, in 1968. And that was a student hostel, during Paris's year of the barricades and student-mob clashes with police. It's long gone, Gunner. Ed Huntress |
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On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 11:41:34 -0700, the renowned Offbreed
wrote: Spehro Pefhany wrote: I understand baksheesh can cut through red tape that we just have to live with. Seems baksheesh breeds red tape, though. Yupper. Cuts both ways. Best regards, Spehro Pefhany -- "it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com |
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On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 15:09:18 GMT, "Ed Huntress"
wrote: "Spehro Pefhany" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 08:22:44 GMT, the renowned Gunner wrote: . When was the last time you had to leave your passport with the front desk at any motel/hotel in the US? Gunner Only place I've ever had to do that is in the totalitarian/communist countries of Eastern Europe. Not even in China. Not a very high standard, I must say. And NEVER any &*$#$*&$ fingerprints, ANYWHWERE, even in the most corrupt, totalitarian hellhole like Romania. It must have been a while since Gunner travelled abroad. The last time my passport was held at a hotel desk was in Paris, in 1968. And that was a student hostel, during Paris's year of the barricades and student-mob clashes with police. It's long gone, Gunner. Ed Huntress Cool. It has been some time. 1972 IRRC. Well, the fingerprinting will be long gone in not too many years also. When the Tangos are no longer a problem. Perhaps there will be no need for even passports by then. Shrug. Until then, as long as the EU is a haven for Muslim Extremists hell bent on the demise of the US...I can live with the 2 minute inconvience to tourists. Gunner "By calling attention to 'a well regulated militia', the 'security' of the nation, and the right of each citizen 'to keep and bear arms', our founding fathers recognized the essentially civilian nature of our economy. Although it is extremely unlikely that the fears of governmental tyranny which gave rise to the Second Amendment will ever be a major danger to our nation, the Amendment still remains an important declaration of our basic civilian-military relationships, in which every citizen must be ready to participate in the defense of his country. For that reason, I believe the Second Amendment will always be important." -- Senator John F. Kennedy, (D) 1960 |
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Gunner wrote:
On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 20:36:33 +1200, John wrote: When was the ... Gunner If you haven't got answers, don't bother commenting.. John I asked a question John. Unable to answer or face the ramifications of your answer? Gunner Hey jerk, if you can't answer the original question don't try and get off in your usual cheap way of hijacking the thread. It's bad enough having to filter out the crap you post as it is! How about addressing the fact that the Homeland Security Department considers that terrorists will only be arriving after the summer tourist season! John |
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"Gunner" wrote in message
... On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 15:09:18 GMT, "Ed Huntress" wrote: "Spehro Pefhany" wrote in message Only place I've ever had to do that is in the totalitarian/communist countries of Eastern Europe. Not even in China. Not a very high standard, I must say. And NEVER any &*$#$*&$ fingerprints, ANYWHWERE, even in the most corrupt, totalitarian hellhole like Romania. It must have been a while since Gunner travelled abroad. The last time my passport was held at a hotel desk was in Paris, in 1968. And that was a student hostel, during Paris's year of the barricades and student-mob clashes with police. It's long gone, Gunner. Ed Huntress Cool. It has been some time. 1972 IRRC. Well, the fingerprinting will be long gone in not too many years also. When the Tangos are no longer a problem. Perhaps there will be no need for even passports by then. Shrug. That's a happy thought. I hope it comes true. Until then, as long as the EU is a haven for Muslim Extremists hell bent on the demise of the US...I can live with the 2 minute inconvience to tourists. It's not something I get worked up about. I think the Europeans will be fairly understanding, but I'm surprised at the turnaround. The plan was for, I think, 26 countries that we basically trust, to do the checking and to produce some kind of secure passport that the US would accept without further ado. That plan must have run into some kind of problem. Ed Huntress |
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Right now I am way more concerned with the way US citizens are being
treated just trying to get on an airplane in a US airport. I had to go to Chicago last Tuesday. In front of me in the line was a 70+ couple and a family with 3 kids under 10 headed for Orlando. Security made the kids take off their shoes and ripped their back packs apart checking for bombs and the old lady spent 10 minutes getting all but strip searched. Meanwhile an obvious middle eastern guy complete with long black beard and head scarf in the next line was waved on through. These Home Land "Security" people have got to start getting real. They need to stop wasting their time and ours and go back to profiling. Oops! That would be politically incorrect. But it would sure save one hell of a lot of time and money and actually make things more secure and that won't happen until Tom Ridge gets his head out of Ashcroft's butt and looks around. I have very little good to say about Israeli policy but at the Tel Aviv airport, probably the most threatened airport in the world, I was less hassled and felt more secure than I have in any American airport. John wrote: "WASHINGTON -- In a surprise move, the United States will begin fingerprinting and photographing millions of visitors from allied European and Pacific nations who now are exempt from such procedures, Homeland Security Department officials said Friday........ Since January, travelers from most foreign countries have had their digital photographs and fingerprints checked against U.S. security data bases. But 27 so-called “visa waiver” countries -- whose citizens do not have to obtain advance permission for most short visits to the United States -- have been exempted. That will no longer be the case after Sept. 30, Homeland Security Under Secretary Asa Hutchinson said. Hutchinson, who oversees border and transportation protection, said the decision to end the exemption would close what many people in the government consider to be a loophole in screening, with minimum inconvenience for arriving visitors........" http://www.detnews.com/2004/nation/0...ion-111392.htm Interesting how this will be implemented after the summer tourist season, the Homeland Security Department must have "solid" intelligence to be sure that terrorists don't like traveling in busy times.. John -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
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On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 11:41:34 -0700, Offbreed
wrote: Spehro Pefhany wrote: I understand baksheesh can cut through red tape that we just have to live with. Seems baksheesh breeds red tape, though. Beat me to it. Sometimes the red tape is generated on the spot in order to collect baksheesh. Many years ago my mother and I were leaving than communist Yugoslavia. Way before the Italian border a uniformed policemen showed up on the train and made a beeline for my mother who looked most vulnerable. "Passport!" After examining our passports he asked: "I need to see the certificate stating that this passport is yours" Not having such a ludicrous certificate my mother settled for a "fine" and we were on our way. I never went back to that forsaken hole. -- Boris Mohar |
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Right now I am way more concerned with the way US citizens are being treated just trying to get on an airplane in a US airport. I had to go to Chicago last Tuesday. In front of me in the line was a 70+ couple and a family with 3 kids under 10 headed for Orlando. Security made the kids take off their shoes and ripped their back packs apart checking for bombs and the old lady spent 10 minutes getting all but strip searched. Meanwhile an obvious middle eastern guy complete with long black beard and head scarf in the next line was waved on through. These Home Land "Security" people have got to start getting real. They need to stop wasting their time and ours and go back to profiling. Oops! That would be politically incorrect. But it would sure save one hell of a lot of time and money and actually make things more secure and that won't happen until Tom Ridge gets his head out of Ashcroft's butt and looks around. I have very little good to say about Israeli policy but at the Tel Aviv airport, probably the most threatened airport in the world, I was less hassled and felt more secure than I have in any American airport. The flying that I've done recently has seemed to be a bit better. Still think they could use a bit of common sense, though. I wonder how that middle eastern guy with the beard and head scarf would have fared at the Tel Aviv airport..... John Martin |
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On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 09:00:40 +1200, John wrote:
Gunner wrote: On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 20:36:33 +1200, John wrote: When was the ... Gunner If you haven't got answers, don't bother commenting.. John I asked a question John. Unable to answer or face the ramifications of your answer? Gunner Hey jerk, if you can't answer the original question don't try and get off in your usual cheap way of hijacking the thread. It's bad enough having to filter out the crap you post as it is! How about addressing the fact that the Homeland Security Department considers that terrorists will only be arriving after the summer tourist season! John so you are not going to answer the question? Gunner "By calling attention to 'a well regulated militia', the 'security' of the nation, and the right of each citizen 'to keep and bear arms', our founding fathers recognized the essentially civilian nature of our economy. Although it is extremely unlikely that the fears of governmental tyranny which gave rise to the Second Amendment will ever be a major danger to our nation, the Amendment still remains an important declaration of our basic civilian-military relationships, in which every citizen must be ready to participate in the defense of his country. For that reason, I believe the Second Amendment will always be important." -- Senator John F. Kennedy, (D) 1960 |
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On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 21:57:26 GMT, "Ed Huntress"
wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 15:09:18 GMT, "Ed Huntress" wrote: "Spehro Pefhany" wrote in message Only place I've ever had to do that is in the totalitarian/communist countries of Eastern Europe. Not even in China. Not a very high standard, I must say. And NEVER any &*$#$*&$ fingerprints, ANYWHWERE, even in the most corrupt, totalitarian hellhole like Romania. It must have been a while since Gunner travelled abroad. The last time my passport was held at a hotel desk was in Paris, in 1968. And that was a student hostel, during Paris's year of the barricades and student-mob clashes with police. It's long gone, Gunner. Ed Huntress Cool. It has been some time. 1972 IRRC. Well, the fingerprinting will be long gone in not too many years also. When the Tangos are no longer a problem. Perhaps there will be no need for even passports by then. Shrug. That's a happy thought. I hope it comes true. Until then, as long as the EU is a haven for Muslim Extremists hell bent on the demise of the US...I can live with the 2 minute inconvience to tourists. It's not something I get worked up about. I think the Europeans will be fairly understanding, but I'm surprised at the turnaround. The plan was for, I think, 26 countries that we basically trust, to do the checking and to produce some kind of secure passport that the US would accept without further ado. That plan must have run into some kind of problem. Ed Huntress If you will take a long look at the current active Anti British/anti American Muslims living and preaching hate in the UK, its not terribly surprising. As you are also well aware of , there is a huge huge Muslim Fundy population in France as well. It appears that the countries in question are simply unable to come up with a clearence form of ID, because of either political reasons, or logistical reasons. My guess is political reasons for the most part. Canada would also meet that criteria, but we have largely open borders with them..so it would be nearly impossible. I noticed with interest the NBC nightly news this evening started mentioning a gaping hole in our borders..IE with Mexico. They mentioned the attempts to enter the US has increased 40% this year, with over 2000 per day making entry. They also mentioned the huge numbers of europeans, asians, bulgarians, etc who are also entereing at the same time, illegally side by side with the south americans and mexicans.. The Ranch Rescue and citizens patrols may have to play a bigger and more official role in the coming months. I was also fascinated to see NBC picking holes in the Kerry ads, using non partisian experts. It was tepid..but its inclusion almost knocked me out of my chair. Gunner "By calling attention to 'a well regulated militia', the 'security' of the nation, and the right of each citizen 'to keep and bear arms', our founding fathers recognized the essentially civilian nature of our economy. Although it is extremely unlikely that the fears of governmental tyranny which gave rise to the Second Amendment will ever be a major danger to our nation, the Amendment still remains an important declaration of our basic civilian-military relationships, in which every citizen must be ready to participate in the defense of his country. For that reason, I believe the Second Amendment will always be important." -- Senator John F. Kennedy, (D) 1960 |
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On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 20:40:14 -0400, Glenn Ashmore
wrote: Oops! That would be politically incorrect. But it would sure save one hell of a lot of time and money and actually make things more secure and that won't happen until Tom Ridge gets his head out of Ashcroft's butt and looks around. The moment we go back to profiling..Sheila Jackson Lee and the rest of the Liberal Democrat extremists would be in court filing injunctions right and left. Might want to talk to your masters at the DNC about that...... Gunner "By calling attention to 'a well regulated militia', the 'security' of the nation, and the right of each citizen 'to keep and bear arms', our founding fathers recognized the essentially civilian nature of our economy. Although it is extremely unlikely that the fears of governmental tyranny which gave rise to the Second Amendment will ever be a major danger to our nation, the Amendment still remains an important declaration of our basic civilian-military relationships, in which every citizen must be ready to participate in the defense of his country. For that reason, I believe the Second Amendment will always be important." -- Senator John F. Kennedy, (D) 1960 |
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Gunner wrote:
On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 09:00:40 +1200, John wrote: Gunner wrote: On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 20:36:33 +1200, John wrote: When was the ... Gunner If you haven't got answers, don't bother commenting.. John I asked a question John. Unable to answer or face the ramifications of your answer? Gunner Hey jerk, if you can't answer the original question don't try and get off in your usual cheap way of hijacking the thread. It's bad enough having to filter out the crap you post as it is! How about addressing the fact that the Homeland Security Department considers that terrorists will only be arriving after the summer tourist season! John so you are not going to answer the question? Gunner Seeing I can't see the relevance why should I? Better you exercise that tiny mind of yours and seek out the reason why no terrorists are going to enter the US before the 30th September? That has more relevance. Of course you were never a viewer of the bigger picture, were you? John |
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On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 16:34:17 +1200, John wrote:
Gunner wrote: On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 09:00:40 +1200, John wrote: Gunner wrote: On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 20:36:33 +1200, John wrote: When was the ... Gunner If you haven't got answers, don't bother commenting.. John I asked a question John. Unable to answer or face the ramifications of your answer? Gunner Hey jerk, if you can't answer the original question don't try and get off in your usual cheap way of hijacking the thread. It's bad enough having to filter out the crap you post as it is! How about addressing the fact that the Homeland Security Department considers that terrorists will only be arriving after the summer tourist season! John so you are not going to answer the question? Gunner Seeing I can't see the relevance why should I? Better you exercise that tiny mind of yours and seek out the reason why no terrorists are going to enter the US before the 30th September? That has more relevance. Of course you were never a viewer of the bigger picture, were you? John Hint..the tangos have open and free access to the US. Have always had, will always have as long as we have an open border. Seems we cant keep drugs out either. On the other hand..it will keep the Shoe Bomber types from flying in and out. While it will not stop the Tangos, it will force them to pursue alternative methods of entry that are not quite so convienent. If you know that there will be a fingerprint machine waiting for you at the airport..its unlikely you will continue to travel by air. It will also allow a data base to be developed of any folks who have any intention of "overstaying" their visa. Any idea of how many folks have done just that? No? Neither does the government. We do know however its in the millions. With no way to identify them if they are caught. File their prints, have an incident where they are arrrested or even pulled over (many squad cars now have a print scanner), a quick data base check and voila! Cuffed, stuffed and deported shortly there after. Now about the bigger picture....what was that again? Hummmm? Putz Gunner "By calling attention to 'a well regulated militia', the 'security' of the nation, and the right of each citizen 'to keep and bear arms', our founding fathers recognized the essentially civilian nature of our economy. Although it is extremely unlikely that the fears of governmental tyranny which gave rise to the Second Amendment will ever be a major danger to our nation, the Amendment still remains an important declaration of our basic civilian-military relationships, in which every citizen must be ready to participate in the defense of his country. For that reason, I believe the Second Amendment will always be important." -- Senator John F. Kennedy, (D) 1960 |
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Gunner wrote:
On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 16:34:17 +1200, John wrote: Gunner wrote: On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 09:00:40 +1200, John wrote: Gunner wrote: On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 20:36:33 +1200, John wrote: When was the ... Gunner If you haven't got answers, don't bother commenting.. John I asked a question John. Unable to answer or face the ramifications of your answer? Gunner Hey jerk, if you can't answer the original question don't try and get off in your usual cheap way of hijacking the thread. It's bad enough having to filter out the crap you post as it is! How about addressing the fact that the Homeland Security Department considers that terrorists will only be arriving after the summer tourist season! John so you are not going to answer the question? Gunner Seeing I can't see the relevance why should I? Better you exercise that tiny mind of yours and seek out the reason why no terrorists are going to enter the US before the 30th September? That has more relevance. Of course you were never a viewer of the bigger picture, were you? John Hint..the tangos have open and free access to the US..... ................ Gunner Tangos? What little dreamworld do you think you're participating in? Jerk John |
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"Gunner" wrote in message ... On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 21:57:26 GMT, "Ed Huntress" wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 15:09:18 GMT, "Ed Huntress" wrote: "Spehro Pefhany" wrote in message Only place I've ever had to do that is in the totalitarian/communist countries of Eastern Europe. Not even in China. Not a very high standard, I must say. And NEVER any &*$#$*&$ fingerprints, ANYWHWERE, even in the most corrupt, totalitarian hellhole like Romania. It must have been a while since Gunner travelled abroad. The last time my passport was held at a hotel desk was in Paris, in 1968. And that was a student hostel, during Paris's year of the barricades and student-mob clashes with police. It's long gone, Gunner. Ed Huntress Cool. It has been some time. 1972 IRRC. Well, the fingerprinting will be long gone in not too many years also. When the Tangos are no longer a problem. Perhaps there will be no need for even passports by then. Shrug. That's a happy thought. I hope it comes true. Until then, as long as the EU is a haven for Muslim Extremists hell bent on the demise of the US...I can live with the 2 minute inconvience to tourists. It's not something I get worked up about. I think the Europeans will be fairly understanding, but I'm surprised at the turnaround. The plan was for, I think, 26 countries that we basically trust, to do the checking and to produce some kind of secure passport that the US would accept without further ado. That plan must have run into some kind of problem. Ed Huntress If you will take a long look at the current active Anti British/anti American Muslims living and preaching hate in the UK, its not terribly surprising. As you are also well aware of , there is a huge huge Muslim Fundy population in France as well. It appears that the countries in question are simply unable to come up with a clearence form of ID, because of either political reasons, or logistical reasons. My guess is political reasons for the most part. Canada would also meet that criteria, but we have largely open borders with them..so it would be nearly impossible. I noticed with interest the NBC nightly news this evening started mentioning a gaping hole in our borders..IE with Mexico. They mentioned the attempts to enter the US has increased 40% this year, with over 2000 per day making entry. They also mentioned the huge numbers of europeans, asians, bulgarians, etc who are also entereing at the same time, illegally side by side with the south americans and mexicans.. The Ranch Rescue and citizens patrols may have to play a bigger and more official role in the coming months. I was also fascinated to see NBC picking holes in the Kerry ads, using non partisian experts. It was tepid..but its inclusion almost knocked me out of my chair. Gunner Most European countries have been through this before. Many had empires that are now gone. The process of a collapsing empire was a painful one for them. In most cases America cheered on the colonies in their struggle for independence. Now the shoe is on the other foot. We are in the process of loosing our "sphere of influence" in the Middle East. We don't use the word empire, it causes us to squirm. The Europeans are increasingly seeing the situation for what it is. They don't want to come along for the ride. They know the necessary outcome. Most Europeans oppose our invasion of Iraq. That is the people, not the governments that got sucked in. Increasingly, we will see the Europeans cheering the Arab world in it's struggle for independence. What goes around comes around as they say. Pete. |
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Harry Conover wrote:
John wrote in message ... "WASHINGTON -- In a surprise move, the United States will begin fingerprinting and photographing millions of visitors from allied European and Pacific nations who now are exempt from such procedures, Homeland Security Department officials said Friday........ Since January, travelers from most foreign countries have had their digital photographs and fingerprints checked against U.S. security data bases. But 27 so-called ?visa waiver? countries -- whose citizens do not have to obtain advance permission for most short visits to the United States -- have been exempted. That will no longer be the case after Sept. 30, Homeland Security Under Secretary Asa Hutchinson said. Hutchinson, who oversees border and transportation protection, said the decision to end the exemption would close what many people in the government consider to be a loophole in screening, with minimum inconvenience for arriving visitors........" It's about time! Many European countries have been doing this for years. Harry C. I'd love to know which countries you're talking about. I lived in Europe for 5 years (up until 2 yrs. ago) and the only check I ever encountered was a simple passport check. Usually there is no checkpoint at all for travel between european countries... Bob |
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Gunner wrote in message . ..
On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 21:57:26 GMT, "Ed Huntress" wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 15:09:18 GMT, "Ed Huntress" wrote: "Spehro Pefhany" wrote in message Only place I've ever had to do that is in the totalitarian/communist countries of Eastern Europe. Not even in China. Not a very high standard, I must say. And NEVER any &*$#$*&$ fingerprints, ANYWHWERE, even in the most corrupt, totalitarian hellhole like Romania. It must have been a while since Gunner travelled abroad. The last time my passport was held at a hotel desk was in Paris, in 1968. And that was a student hostel, during Paris's year of the barricades and student-mob clashes with police. It's long gone, Gunner. Ed Huntress Cool. It has been some time. 1972 IRRC. Well, the fingerprinting will be long gone in not too many years also. When the Tangos are no longer a problem. Perhaps there will be no need for even passports by then. Shrug. That's a happy thought. I hope it comes true. Until then, as long as the EU is a haven for Muslim Extremists hell bent on the demise of the US...I can live with the 2 minute inconvience to tourists. It's not something I get worked up about. I think the Europeans will be fairly understanding, but I'm surprised at the turnaround. The plan was for, I think, 26 countries that we basically trust, to do the checking and to produce some kind of secure passport that the US would accept without further ado. That plan must have run into some kind of problem. Ed Huntress If you will take a long look at the current active Anti British/anti American Muslims living and preaching hate in the UK, its not terribly surprising. I live here and can tell you that most of the british population isn't impressed with america, and that includes any race/creed you care to mention, not just the muslims you so crave to hate in your neofascist ziocon haze. As you are also well aware of , there is a huge huge Muslim Fundy population in France as well. http://www.atlapedia.com/online/countries/unitedst.htm USA: "RELIGIONS: Mostly Christians with 53% of the population Protestant while 26% are Roman Catholic and 8% are other denominations. Other religious minorities include Jews which account for 2% and Muslims for 2% of the population." France: "RELIGIONS: Mostly Christians with around 76% of the population Roman Catholic while other Christian denominations account for 4% and Muslims account for 3% of the population." 2% of yanks are muslim, 3% of french are muslim. What's your problem, bigot? It appears that the countries in question are simply unable to come up with a clearence form of ID, because of either political reasons, or logistical reasons. My guess is political reasons for the most part. Canada would also meet that criteria, but we have largely open borders with them..so it would be nearly impossible. I noticed with interest the NBC nightly news this evening started mentioning a gaping hole in our borders..IE with Mexico. They mentioned the attempts to enter the US has increased 40% this year, with over 2000 per day making entry. They also mentioned the huge numbers of europeans, asians, bulgarians, etc who are also entereing at the same time, illegally side by side with the south americans and mexicans.. The Ranch Rescue and citizens patrols may have to play a bigger and more official role in the coming months. I was also fascinated to see NBC picking holes in the Kerry ads, using non partisian experts. It was tepid..but its inclusion almost knocked me out of my chair. Gunner "By calling attention to 'a well regulated militia', the 'security' of the nation, and the right of each citizen 'to keep and bear arms', our founding fathers recognized the essentially civilian nature of our economy. Although it is extremely unlikely that the fears of governmental tyranny which gave rise to the Second Amendment will ever be a major danger to our nation, the Amendment still remains an important declaration of our basic civilian-military relationships, in which every citizen must be ready to participate in the defense of his country. For that reason, I believe the Second Amendment will always be important." -- Senator John F. Kennedy, (D) 1960 |
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"Mark K." wrote in message
om... http://www.atlapedia.com/online/countries/unitedst.htm USA: "RELIGIONS: Mostly Christians with 53% of the population Protestant while 26% are Roman Catholic and 8% are other denominations. Other religious minorities include Jews which account for 2% and Muslims for 2% of the population." France: "RELIGIONS: Mostly Christians with around 76% of the population Roman Catholic while other Christian denominations account for 4% and Muslims account for 3% of the population." 2% of yanks are muslim, 3% of french are muslim. What's your problem, bigot? Not to get into your argument, but your figures for the Muslim population of France sound rather old. Most estimates now run around 8% -- 5 million total. The French government seems to have a fairly loose estimate itself. Another interesting estimate is the percentage of French children who are Muslim: upwards of 20%. Now, don't let me interfere further with your invective party. g Ed Huntress |
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"john johnson" wrote in message . au...
"John" wrote in message ... "WASHINGTON -- In a surprise move, the United States will begin fingerprinting and photographing millions of visitors from allied European and Pacific nations who now are exempt from such procedures, Homeland Security Department officials said Friday........ snip Hi, I'm from Australia, been to the US once before and would not be put off coming back because of this. I think it's a good thing. regards, John It's a complete waste of time and money. Furthermore I'm not going to tolerate a fledgeling country with a dubious idea of "democracy" and questionable leadership take my personal data for their nazionalsozialistische "total awareness" drive (nor do I fancy transiting through a country which has no-smoking zones OUTSIDE their airport buildings). So they can shove it, I'm not going to use yank airlines or transit via the US, my business is going elsewhere. Mark K. |
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On 6 Apr 2004 14:43:38 -0700, (Mark K.)
wrote: If you will take a long look at the current active Anti British/anti American Muslims living and preaching hate in the UK, its not terribly surprising. I live here and can tell you that most of the british population isn't impressed with america, and that includes any race/creed you care to mention, not just the muslims you so crave to hate in your neofascist ziocon haze. Frankly..with rare exceptions (unfortunately you are not included) and several august members of this newsgroup..the US is not particulary impressed with the British either. Since Di bought the farm...your Royalty is the only thing the US differentiates between you and any other turd world nation. Btw....I love your use of all those hate terms. I take it your mum finally told you your Da was a GI with a couple quid burnng a hole in his pocket? Tch tch tch...thats ok you old sod(omite)... We do still hold Maggie T in reverence and some goodly measure of respect for Blair. http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37668 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GLOBAL JIHAD UK Muslim clerics tied to Spain attack Probe sees 'definite link' to Palestinian regarded as important al-Qaida figure -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: March 19, 2004 5:00 p.m. Eastern © 2004 WorldNetDaily.com Counter-terrorist police probing the massive attack in Madrid one week ago see a "definite link" to Muslim extremists in Britain, according to a senior British law enforcement official. Detained Palestinian cleric Abu Qatada, regarded by British and Spanish authorities as a key al-Qaida figure in Europe, likely will be questioned, reported the Independent newspaper of London. "We believe there is a London link with what happened in Madrid," said metropolitan police commissioner Sir John Stevens. "There is a definite link in what has happened." The March 11 blasts in Madrid killed 202 and injured more than 1,500 just days before last Sunday's Spanish elections and tomorrow's first anniversary of the U.S. led war in Iraq. The Independent quoted a "senior anti-terrorist source" who said the man suspected of organizing the attack, Jamal Zougam, 30, is believed to have traveled to the UK to acquire funding and logistical help. Authorities believe Zougam had connections to Qatada, known also as Omar Mahmoud Abu Omar, who received asylum in Britain in 1994. The Palestinian cleric, born in Jordan, was given a life sentence after being convicted in absentia in his home country for 1988 terrorist attacks. British police arrested him along with eight other people in 2001 on suspicion of terrorist activities, but all were released. The British government froze his assets after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the U.S. Qatada has denied any connection to al-Qaida but has expressed sympathy for leader Osama bin Laden. http://www.dawn.com/2002/02/01/fea.htm Britain: logistics base for Muslim extremists? By Amanullah Ghilzai Following the Sept 11 terrorist attacks in New York, Britain has become the news centre of the world not merely for taking part in the fight against global terrorism but also for playing a key role in providing a logistics base for Islamic extremists and Al Qaeda itself. The recent raids in London and other British towns and earlier arrests of the suspected terrorists have shown that the UK does appear to be far more significant than previously thought. Letters found in Al Qaeda camps in Afghanistan have reportedly revealed Osama bin Laden's men had links with British Islamic organizations dating back to 1998. There were even plans by some terrorists, apparently British, to bomb London. The month-by-month developments following the Sept 11 attacks have revealed that Britain was a safe haven for extremists and terrorists. Many Islamic extremist groups have been so freely operating in the UK that even many Muslim countries would not grant them that much freedom. These disclosures have increased pressure on the UK to crack down harder on the extreme Islamists who have sought sanctuary here from regimes in the Middle East and other Muslim countries. Several Middle Eastern governments have criticized Britain for allowing extremists to base themselves here. Intelligence officers working in London have compiled a list of 200 suspected militants from Algeria alone who are in the UK. Many are believed to be killers. The latest development is the revelation of a gruesome video showing Islamic extremists murdering and mutilating 'infidels' in Algeria and Afghanistan. The Observer, Sunday, has reported that the video is being circulated in Britain's mosques as part of a recruiting drive for Osama's worldwide terror network. The video, which was smuggled into the UK only days before the Sept 11 attacks, shows people having their throats cut and the wholesale slaughter of secular forces by a group linked to the world's most wanted terrorist. It was produced by the Salafist Group for Preaching and War (GSPC), an extremist Algerian organization backed by Osama and widely regarded as one of the most active and brutal in its country. GSPC sympathizers then circulated the film in London. The Algerian security service investigators have reportedly called the video 'an appalling pornographic catalogue of violence'. Like GSPC, London is home to several extremist Islamic groups. When the US-led bombing on Afghanistan was on its peak, a small ultra extremist British Islamic group called al-Muhajiroun attracted a lot of media attention for its outbursts against Britain, America and Pakistani government. Its leader Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad is being investigated for making alleged death threats against President Musharraf for taking part in the fight against global terrorism. The police and prosecuting authorities have been studying statements made by Sheikh Omar. Fiercely uncompromising in their interpretation of Islam, the members of al-Muhajiroun, some of them of Pakistani origin, are dedicated to their faith. But there can be a price to pay. Only recently, the group announced the death of at least three of its British members in Afghanistan. With three Britons already being held in Cuba, there are reports that five more British suspects have been arrested by Americans in Afghanistan and they are being airlifted to Camp X-Ray. All these developments confirm the fears that Britain is a major recruiting centre for Muslim radicals prepared to fight for Osama. Two of the British terror suspects being held in America's high-security prison in Cuba are said to be members of a fanatical Islamic group based in Tipton, a small West Midlands town in England. The pair named for the first time this weekend by The Sunday Times as Asif Iqbal, 20, and Shafiq Rasul, 24, flew out to Pakistan - from where they travelled to Afghanistan - within days of the Sept 11 attacks on America. They are understood to have been followed by two other members of the group, who are believed still to be in Afghanistan. All four are devout Muslims who were part of a small Islamic splinter group in the town, some of whose members are alleged to support a Muslim holy war against America. They are believed to have been radicalized at meetings of the Islamic group, whose spiritual leader is an elderly cleric. The group is believed to have links with other radical Islamic organizations in Birmingham, Bradford and Manchester where many Muslims of Pakistani origin live. A senior Muslim figures in the community was reported by British media as saying: "There have been concern for some time about the group. They are hardline fundamentalists who are out of step with the majority of us, who are moderate." The Times quoting security sources reported on Monday that 17 other Muslim extremists claiming to be British are still being held in Afghanistan. A significant number of British Muslims who went missing from their homes in Britain after Sept 11, and who were believed to have gone to Afghanistan, were also still unaccounted for, the sources said. Security agencies in Spain and France have recently traced links to the UK from Al Qaeda operatives they have arrested. On Sept 26 last year six men were arrested in Spain. A militant, allegedly trained by Osama, reportedly led them and had planned hijacks with two suspected Al Qaeda terrorists who were living in Britain. Spanish investigators urgently want to question Abu Qatada over his alleged role in the planning of the Sept 11 attacks and are baffled by Britain's failure to detain him. British media has reported that 18 videos made by Mr Qatada were found in a Hamburg flat used by three of the Sept 11 hijackers, including the leader, Mohammad Atta. But days after the new anti-terrorist legislation came into force with a prime object of arresting Abu Qatada, the police picked up eight further suspects in dawn raids but Qatada slipped the net. In Washington, Paris and capitals across the Middle East and Asia, intelligence agencies are reportedly pointing to the UK some thing more than just a haven for Islamic dissidents and a centre for the dissemination of extremist propaganda. The arrest last July of an Arab at Dubai international airport for travelling on false French papers has led to arrests in a number of countries. Djamal Beghal, a 36-year-old Algerian, was flying back to Europe from Pakistan when he was arrested. During interrogation the French intelligence officials realized that they had one of their prime suspects in their hands. The French police were looking for Beghal since he left the suburbs of Paris in the mid-1990s for London's Islamist underworld, where reportedly he soon established himself as an energetic recruiter for Al Qaeda, travelling the country spreading the message of jihad. British media reports say he has recruited both a French-Moroccan student called Zacarias Moussaoui - who is currently in custody in the US suspected of being the so-called '20th hijacker' - and Richard Reid, the 28-year-old Briton arrested in December after trying to detonate explosives hidden in his shoes on a Paris-to-Miami flight. Beghal has reportedly confessed that he had been training in Afghanistan for a year at an Al Qaeda camp run by Abu Zubeidah, one of Osama's most capable and trusted lieutenants and the man some tipped to succeed him. Investigators believe that Abu Zubeidah was Al Qaeda's director of external affairs, trained most of the group's surviving terrorists and, now that several key figures have been killed in the US-led bombing raids, he has been entrusted with keeping the network going". A London daily report says Zubeidah is thought to have slipped away from his hideout weeks ago, taking with him the secret of where Al Qaeda is hiding its surviving terrorists". No one expected that the events would also lead to several arrests in England. But with help of the French police the British police arrested in Leicester the man suspected of being the network's computer expert, Kamel Daoudi. It is understood that Baghdad Mezziane and Brahim Benmerzouga - the two Algerian asylum-seekers who recently appeared in Leicester magistrates' court charged with membership of Al Qaeda - were arrested in the same raids. While arrests of people on terrorism charges are continuing, a leading London daily, Guardian, has claimed that Britain is home to more than 100 terror suspects and activists belonging to organizations connected with Osama. The paper, quoting officials, says that among the groups under scrutiny by anti-terrorist officers are Al Qaeda, Egyptian Islamic Jihad, the Armed Islamic Group based in Algeria and groups seeking independence from India in Kashmir. But with the new anti-terror legislation introduced and in the light of latest revelations regarding activities of some extremists Islamic groups in Britain there seem to be little chances for these groups to operate freely in the future. Odd....Seems ol Markyzooom is once again off his nut. Or has been sampling the latest import from Holland. Gunner "rm -rf /bin/laden Bush = Root" |
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On 6 Apr 2004 14:43:38 -0700, (Mark K.) wrote: If you will take a long look at the current active Anti British/anti American Muslims living and preaching hate in the UK, its not terribly surprising. I live here and can tell you that most of the british population isn't impressed with america, and that includes any race/creed you care to mention, not just the muslims you so crave to hate in your neofascist ziocon haze. Frankly..with rare exceptions (unfortunately you are not included) and several august members of this newsgroup..the US is not particulary impressed with the British either. Since Di bought the farm...your Royalty is the only thing the US differentiates between you and any other turd world nation. Hehehe! Those comments would certainly **** off those brits that do have some questionable support left for the US, I have therefore taken the liberty to xpost this to soc.culture.british. Of course to europeans the yanks are just colonial upstarts that are getting too arrogant for their boots. Btw....I love your use of all those hate terms. I take it your mum finally told you your Da was a GI with a couple quid burnng a hole in his pocket? My "Da" was someone the yanks owe a debt of gratitude to and certainly not some dumb yank kid who has to pay for his jollies. I don't ever remember seeing any yank "GIs" out loose anywhere in europe, they are allergic to culture and mostly hide on their bases. Tch tch tch...thats ok you old sod(omite)... We do still hold Maggie T in reverence and some goodly measure of respect for Blair. And now you've lost both the conservatives and the labourites, dumb clutz. Mark K. [snip speculative propaganda] Gunner "rm -rf /bin/laden Bush = Root" |
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On 7 Apr 2004 13:41:59 -0700, (Mark K.) wrote: I take it your mum finally told you your Da was a GI with a couple quid burnng a hole in his pocket? My "Da" was someone the yanks owe a debt of gratitude to and certainly not some dumb yank kid who has to pay for his jollies. I don't ever remember seeing any yank "GIs" out loose anywhere in europe, they are allergic to culture and mostly hide on their bases. Perhaps you would care to look up two of my uncles for me and say hi. One is buried outside Normandy, the other near Bastogne. Maybe one day you'll save up and summon up the courage to do it yourself, and visit some of your ******* cousins at the same time. Tch tch tch...thats ok you old sod(omite)... We do still hold Maggie T in reverence and some goodly measure of respect for Blair. And now you've lost both the conservatives and the labourites, dumb clutz. Mark K. Sorry laddy boyo..you lost them yourself. Along with the English Bill of Rights. Seems the Socialists divied it up and used it to wipe their bums with. You don't have a clue. WTF is a british "bill of rights" ? I know in the US it is something that applies to a few selected americans, when convenient. Yanks are not the ones to preach about democracy, even less impose their corrupted joke of it on others. Seems that English manhood died on the battle field, and only the inferior seed managed to breed. I see, so you think even the brits are "inferior". No doubt you think the most "superior" people in the world are yanks of your ilk, figures. Or at least..in your case. I hope you are gay.... Interesting, more likely the theory of ranting homophobics being the ones most insecure of their own sexuality applies. and your seed doenst manage to further diminish the British gene pool. And now you try to apply your warped priniples of racist genetics, like a good wannabe KKK drone. It's psychos like you infesting the shooting fraternity who ultimately ruin it for those genuinely interested in the sport. You wouldn't have lasted five minutes in the club I used to run. Mark K. Gunner "rm -rf /bin/laden Bush = Root" |
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