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How the US is to make friends & influence tourists..
"WASHINGTON -- In a surprise move, the United States will begin fingerprinting and photographing millions of visitors from allied European and Pacific nations who now are exempt from such procedures, Homeland Security Department officials said Friday........ Since January, travelers from most foreign countries have had their digital photographs and fingerprints checked against U.S. security data bases. But 27 so-called “visa waiver” countries -- whose citizens do not have to obtain advance permission for most short visits to the United States -- have been exempted. That will no longer be the case after Sept. 30, Homeland Security Under Secretary Asa Hutchinson said. Hutchinson, who oversees border and transportation protection, said the decision to end the exemption would close what many people in the government consider to be a loophole in screening, with minimum inconvenience for arriving visitors........" http://www.detnews.com/2004/nation/0...ion-111392.htm Interesting how this will be implemented after the summer tourist season, the Homeland Security Department must have "solid" intelligence to be sure that terrorists don't like traveling in busy times.. John |
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John wrote in message ...
"WASHINGTON -- In a surprise move, the United States will begin fingerprinting and photographing millions of visitors from allied European and Pacific nations who now are exempt from such procedures, Homeland Security Department officials said Friday........ Since January, travelers from most foreign countries have had their digital photographs and fingerprints checked against U.S. security data bases. But 27 so-called ?visa waiver? countries -- whose citizens do not have to obtain advance permission for most short visits to the United States -- have been exempted. That will no longer be the case after Sept. 30, Homeland Security Under Secretary Asa Hutchinson said. Hutchinson, who oversees border and transportation protection, said the decision to end the exemption would close what many people in the government consider to be a loophole in screening, with minimum inconvenience for arriving visitors........" It's about time! Many European countries have been doing this for years. Harry C. |
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Harry Conover wrote:
John wrote in message ... "WASHINGTON -- In a surprise move, the United States will begin fingerprinting and photographing millions of visitors from allied European and Pacific nations who now are exempt from such procedures, Homeland Security Department officials said Friday........ Since January, travelers from most foreign countries have had their digital photographs and fingerprints checked against U.S. security data bases. But 27 so-called ?visa waiver? countries -- whose citizens do not have to obtain advance permission for most short visits to the United States -- have been exempted. That will no longer be the case after Sept. 30, Homeland Security Under Secretary Asa Hutchinson said. Hutchinson, who oversees border and transportation protection, said the decision to end the exemption would close what many people in the government consider to be a loophole in screening, with minimum inconvenience for arriving visitors........" It's about time! Many European countries have been doing this for years. Harry C. Care to name any? John |
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On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 17:24:15 +1200, John wrote:
Harry Conover wrote: John wrote in message ... "WASHINGTON -- In a surprise move, the United States will begin fingerprinting and photographing millions of visitors from allied European and Pacific nations who now are exempt from such procedures, Homeland Security Department officials said Friday........ Since January, travelers from most foreign countries have had their digital photographs and fingerprints checked against U.S. security data bases. But 27 so-called ?visa waiver? countries -- whose citizens do not have to obtain advance permission for most short visits to the United States -- have been exempted. That will no longer be the case after Sept. 30, Homeland Security Under Secretary Asa Hutchinson said. Hutchinson, who oversees border and transportation protection, said the decision to end the exemption would close what many people in the government consider to be a loophole in screening, with minimum inconvenience for arriving visitors........" It's about time! Many European countries have been doing this for years. Harry C. Care to name any? John When was the last time you had to leave your passport with the front desk at any motel/hotel in the US? Gunner "By calling attention to 'a well regulated militia', the 'security' of the nation, and the right of each citizen 'to keep and bear arms', our founding fathers recognized the essentially civilian nature of our economy. Although it is extremely unlikely that the fears of governmental tyranny which gave rise to the Second Amendment will ever be a major danger to our nation, the Amendment still remains an important declaration of our basic civilian-military relationships, in which every citizen must be ready to participate in the defense of his country. For that reason, I believe the Second Amendment will always be important." -- Senator John F. Kennedy, (D) 1960 |
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Gunner wrote:
On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 17:24:15 +1200, John wrote: Harry Conover wrote: John wrote in message ... "WASHINGTON -- In a surprise move, the United States will begin fingerprinting and photographing millions of visitors from allied European and Pacific nations who now are exempt from such procedures, Homeland Security Department officials said Friday........ Since January, travelers from most foreign countries have had their digital photographs and fingerprints checked against U.S. security data bases. But 27 so-called ?visa waiver? countries -- whose citizens do not have to obtain advance permission for most short visits to the United States -- have been exempted. That will no longer be the case after Sept. 30, Homeland Security Under Secretary Asa Hutchinson said. Hutchinson, who oversees border and transportation protection, said the decision to end the exemption would close what many people in the government consider to be a loophole in screening, with minimum inconvenience for arriving visitors........" It's about time! Many European countries have been doing this for years. Harry C. Care to name any? John When was the ... Gunner If you haven't got answers, don't bother commenting.. John |
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On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 20:36:33 +1200, John wrote:
When was the ... Gunner If you haven't got answers, don't bother commenting.. John I asked a question John. Unable to answer or face the ramifications of your answer? Gunner "By calling attention to 'a well regulated militia', the 'security' of the nation, and the right of each citizen 'to keep and bear arms', our founding fathers recognized the essentially civilian nature of our economy. Although it is extremely unlikely that the fears of governmental tyranny which gave rise to the Second Amendment will ever be a major danger to our nation, the Amendment still remains an important declaration of our basic civilian-military relationships, in which every citizen must be ready to participate in the defense of his country. For that reason, I believe the Second Amendment will always be important." -- Senator John F. Kennedy, (D) 1960 |
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On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 08:22:44 GMT, the renowned Gunner
wrote: On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 17:24:15 +1200, John wrote: Harry Conover wrote: John wrote in message ... "WASHINGTON -- In a surprise move, the United States will begin fingerprinting and photographing millions of visitors from allied European and Pacific nations who now are exempt from such procedures, Homeland Security Department officials said Friday........ Since January, travelers from most foreign countries have had their digital photographs and fingerprints checked against U.S. security data bases. But 27 so-called ?visa waiver? countries -- whose citizens do not have to obtain advance permission for most short visits to the United States -- have been exempted. That will no longer be the case after Sept. 30, Homeland Security Under Secretary Asa Hutchinson said. Hutchinson, who oversees border and transportation protection, said the decision to end the exemption would close what many people in the government consider to be a loophole in screening, with minimum inconvenience for arriving visitors........" It's about time! Many European countries have been doing this for years. Harry C. Care to name any? John There are not any. This is the cutting edge of freedom and privacy restriction. When was the last time you had to leave your passport with the front desk at any motel/hotel in the US? Gunner Only place I've ever had to do that is in the totalitarian/communist countries of Eastern Europe. Not even in China. Not a very high standard, I must say. And NEVER any &*$#$*&$ fingerprints, ANYWHWERE, even in the most corrupt, totalitarian hellhole like Romania. It won't, *CAN'T*, be restricted just to foreigners either, because they won't be able to be absolutely sure that someone carrying a US passport is not a ringer without biometrics on EVERYBODY who travels. What an ugly world that is being created. Taking away people's rights and privacy for the promise of security will be just about exactly as effective as gun control has been. Best regards, Spehro Pefhany -- "it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com |
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"Spehro Pefhany" wrote in message
... On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 08:22:44 GMT, the renowned Gunner wrote: .. When was the last time you had to leave your passport with the front desk at any motel/hotel in the US? Gunner Only place I've ever had to do that is in the totalitarian/communist countries of Eastern Europe. Not even in China. Not a very high standard, I must say. And NEVER any &*$#$*&$ fingerprints, ANYWHWERE, even in the most corrupt, totalitarian hellhole like Romania. It must have been a while since Gunner travelled abroad. The last time my passport was held at a hotel desk was in Paris, in 1968. And that was a student hostel, during Paris's year of the barricades and student-mob clashes with police. It's long gone, Gunner. Ed Huntress |
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Harry Conover wrote:
John wrote in message ... "WASHINGTON -- In a surprise move, the United States will begin fingerprinting and photographing millions of visitors from allied European and Pacific nations who now are exempt from such procedures, Homeland Security Department officials said Friday........ Since January, travelers from most foreign countries have had their digital photographs and fingerprints checked against U.S. security data bases. But 27 so-called ?visa waiver? countries -- whose citizens do not have to obtain advance permission for most short visits to the United States -- have been exempted. That will no longer be the case after Sept. 30, Homeland Security Under Secretary Asa Hutchinson said. Hutchinson, who oversees border and transportation protection, said the decision to end the exemption would close what many people in the government consider to be a loophole in screening, with minimum inconvenience for arriving visitors........" It's about time! Many European countries have been doing this for years. Harry C. I'd love to know which countries you're talking about. I lived in Europe for 5 years (up until 2 yrs. ago) and the only check I ever encountered was a simple passport check. Usually there is no checkpoint at all for travel between european countries... Bob |
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"John" wrote in message ... "WASHINGTON -- In a surprise move, the United States will begin fingerprinting and photographing millions of visitors from allied European and Pacific nations who now are exempt from such procedures, Homeland Security Department officials said Friday........ snip Hi, I'm from Australia, been to the US once before and would not be put off coming back because of this. I think it's a good thing. regards, John |
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"john johnson" wrote in message u... "John" wrote in message ... "WASHINGTON -- In a surprise move, the United States will begin fingerprinting and photographing millions of visitors from allied European and Pacific nations who now are exempt from such procedures, Homeland Security Department officials said Friday........ snip Hi, I'm from Australia, been to the US once before and would not be put off coming back because of this. I think it's a good thing. regards, John Likewise. Who cares about fingerprints? I'm much more intimidated by the culture of tipping in the USA. Jeff (in Sydney) |
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On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 19:21:28 +1000, "A.Gent" wrote:
"john johnson" wrote in message . au... "John" wrote in message ... "WASHINGTON -- In a surprise move, the United States will begin fingerprinting and photographing millions of visitors from allied European and Pacific nations who now are exempt from such procedures, Homeland Security Department officials said Friday........ snip Hi, I'm from Australia, been to the US once before and would not be put off coming back because of this. I think it's a good thing. regards, John Likewise. Who cares about fingerprints? I'm much more intimidated by the culture of tipping in the USA. Jeff (in Sydney) If you think tipping sucks than do not go anywhere where baksheesh is extorted. -- Boris Mohar |
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On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 10:06:06 -0400, the renowned Boris Mohar
wrote: On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 19:21:28 +1000, "A.Gent" wrote: "john johnson" wrote in message .au... "John" wrote in message ... "WASHINGTON -- In a surprise move, the United States will begin fingerprinting and photographing millions of visitors from allied European and Pacific nations who now are exempt from such procedures, Homeland Security Department officials said Friday........ snip Hi, I'm from Australia, been to the US once before and would not be put off coming back because of this. I think it's a good thing. regards, John Likewise. Who cares about fingerprints? I'm much more intimidated by the culture of tipping in the USA. Jeff (in Sydney) If you think tipping sucks than do not go anywhere where baksheesh is extorted. Service seems to be *way* better where *substantial* (not the Euro practice of rounding up to the next even $1.25 after 15% has already been involuntarily added to your bill) tipping is the norm. I understand baksheesh can cut through red tape that we just have to live with. shrug I've got no problem with tipping so long as I understand the "rules". It's a little unclear when you're dealing with a proprietor what you're supposed to do. If in doubt tip, and either tip well or not at all (or just a penny/nickel if you really want to show displeasure with terrible service) is my rule. Best regards, Spehro Pefhany -- "it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com |
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Spehro Pefhany wrote:
I understand baksheesh can cut through red tape that we just have to live with. Seems baksheesh breeds red tape, though. |
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"john johnson" wrote in message . au...
"John" wrote in message ... "WASHINGTON -- In a surprise move, the United States will begin fingerprinting and photographing millions of visitors from allied European and Pacific nations who now are exempt from such procedures, Homeland Security Department officials said Friday........ snip Hi, I'm from Australia, been to the US once before and would not be put off coming back because of this. I think it's a good thing. regards, John It's a complete waste of time and money. Furthermore I'm not going to tolerate a fledgeling country with a dubious idea of "democracy" and questionable leadership take my personal data for their nazionalsozialistische "total awareness" drive (nor do I fancy transiting through a country which has no-smoking zones OUTSIDE their airport buildings). So they can shove it, I'm not going to use yank airlines or transit via the US, my business is going elsewhere. Mark K. |
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Right now I am way more concerned with the way US citizens are being
treated just trying to get on an airplane in a US airport. I had to go to Chicago last Tuesday. In front of me in the line was a 70+ couple and a family with 3 kids under 10 headed for Orlando. Security made the kids take off their shoes and ripped their back packs apart checking for bombs and the old lady spent 10 minutes getting all but strip searched. Meanwhile an obvious middle eastern guy complete with long black beard and head scarf in the next line was waved on through. These Home Land "Security" people have got to start getting real. They need to stop wasting their time and ours and go back to profiling. Oops! That would be politically incorrect. But it would sure save one hell of a lot of time and money and actually make things more secure and that won't happen until Tom Ridge gets his head out of Ashcroft's butt and looks around. I have very little good to say about Israeli policy but at the Tel Aviv airport, probably the most threatened airport in the world, I was less hassled and felt more secure than I have in any American airport. John wrote: "WASHINGTON -- In a surprise move, the United States will begin fingerprinting and photographing millions of visitors from allied European and Pacific nations who now are exempt from such procedures, Homeland Security Department officials said Friday........ Since January, travelers from most foreign countries have had their digital photographs and fingerprints checked against U.S. security data bases. But 27 so-called “visa waiver” countries -- whose citizens do not have to obtain advance permission for most short visits to the United States -- have been exempted. That will no longer be the case after Sept. 30, Homeland Security Under Secretary Asa Hutchinson said. Hutchinson, who oversees border and transportation protection, said the decision to end the exemption would close what many people in the government consider to be a loophole in screening, with minimum inconvenience for arriving visitors........" http://www.detnews.com/2004/nation/0...ion-111392.htm Interesting how this will be implemented after the summer tourist season, the Homeland Security Department must have "solid" intelligence to be sure that terrorists don't like traveling in busy times.. John -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
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Right now I am way more concerned with the way US citizens are being treated just trying to get on an airplane in a US airport. I had to go to Chicago last Tuesday. In front of me in the line was a 70+ couple and a family with 3 kids under 10 headed for Orlando. Security made the kids take off their shoes and ripped their back packs apart checking for bombs and the old lady spent 10 minutes getting all but strip searched. Meanwhile an obvious middle eastern guy complete with long black beard and head scarf in the next line was waved on through. These Home Land "Security" people have got to start getting real. They need to stop wasting their time and ours and go back to profiling. Oops! That would be politically incorrect. But it would sure save one hell of a lot of time and money and actually make things more secure and that won't happen until Tom Ridge gets his head out of Ashcroft's butt and looks around. I have very little good to say about Israeli policy but at the Tel Aviv airport, probably the most threatened airport in the world, I was less hassled and felt more secure than I have in any American airport. The flying that I've done recently has seemed to be a bit better. Still think they could use a bit of common sense, though. I wonder how that middle eastern guy with the beard and head scarf would have fared at the Tel Aviv airport..... John Martin |
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On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 20:40:14 -0400, Glenn Ashmore
wrote: Oops! That would be politically incorrect. But it would sure save one hell of a lot of time and money and actually make things more secure and that won't happen until Tom Ridge gets his head out of Ashcroft's butt and looks around. The moment we go back to profiling..Sheila Jackson Lee and the rest of the Liberal Democrat extremists would be in court filing injunctions right and left. Might want to talk to your masters at the DNC about that...... Gunner "By calling attention to 'a well regulated militia', the 'security' of the nation, and the right of each citizen 'to keep and bear arms', our founding fathers recognized the essentially civilian nature of our economy. Although it is extremely unlikely that the fears of governmental tyranny which gave rise to the Second Amendment will ever be a major danger to our nation, the Amendment still remains an important declaration of our basic civilian-military relationships, in which every citizen must be ready to participate in the defense of his country. For that reason, I believe the Second Amendment will always be important." -- Senator John F. Kennedy, (D) 1960 |
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