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Solar City finished the install today (minus two roof tiles). It's a
6.5KW 28 panel system.

Now waiting for APS (local power utility) to install a bi-directional
meter and give the go ahead to power up.

More to come after a few months usage...

- Doug

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You should have had the approval to connect before proceeding!

I have seen 100s of KW of PV panels that are not allowed to be grid
connected. The Power Authority doesn't want any more in that location due to
grid or load capacities. People spent big bucks to have them installed based
on the salespeople cons and they sit there useless.

Best of luck and hope it all works out for you on that one! 6.5kW could be
used in your home but you would not be set up for a battery system and
batteries cost more than grid power on an on-going basis.

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Solar City finished the install today (minus two roof tiles). It's a
6.5KW 28 panel system.

Now waiting for APS (local power utility) to install a bi-directional
meter and give the go ahead to power up.

More to come after a few months usage...

- Doug

--
"A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to
blame somebody else." -John Burroughs

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On 10/20/2011 03:53 PM, Josepi wrote:
You should have had the approval to connect before proceeding!

I have seen 100s of KW of PV panels that are not allowed to be grid
connected. The Power Authority doesn't want any more in that location
due to grid or load capacities. People spent big bucks to have them
installed based on the salespeople cons and they sit there useless.

Best of luck and hope it all works out for you on that one! 6.5kW could
be used in your home but you would not be set up for a battery system
and batteries cost more than grid power on an on-going basis.

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eb.com...

Solar City finished the install today (minus two roof tiles). It's a
6.5KW 28 panel system.

Now waiting for APS (local power utility) to install a bi-directional
meter and give the go ahead to power up.

More to come after a few months usage...

- Doug


Listen you moron - I did have approval before proceeding. I just need
the final inspection for turn on.

As well, the storage facility is the grid.

I also don't pay a penny until it's in service.

I can see you're really up on things...


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blame somebody else." -John Burroughs
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On 10/20/2011 6:44 PM, Doug Winterburn wrote:
On 10/20/2011 03:53 PM, Josepi wrote:
You should have had the approval to connect before proceeding!

I have seen 100s of KW of PV panels that are not allowed to be grid
connected. The Power Authority doesn't want any more in that location
due to grid or load capacities. People spent big bucks to have them
installed based on the salespeople cons and they sit there useless.

Best of luck and hope it all works out for you on that one! 6.5kW could
be used in your home but you would not be set up for a battery system
and batteries cost more than grid power on an on-going basis.

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"Doug Winterburn" wrote in message
eb.com...

Solar City finished the install today (minus two roof tiles). It's a
6.5KW 28 panel system.

Now waiting for APS (local power utility) to install a bi-directional
meter and give the go ahead to power up.

More to come after a few months usage...

- Doug


Listen you moron - I did have approval before proceeding. I just need
the final inspection for turn on.

As well, the storage facility is the grid.

I also don't pay a penny until it's in service.

I can see you're really up on things...



Careful now Doug, Jose knows it all.
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On 10/20/2011 05:17 PM, Leon wrote:
On 10/20/2011 6:44 PM, Doug Winterburn wrote:
On 10/20/2011 03:53 PM, Josepi wrote:
You should have had the approval to connect before proceeding!

I have seen 100s of KW of PV panels that are not allowed to be grid
connected. The Power Authority doesn't want any more in that location
due to grid or load capacities. People spent big bucks to have them
installed based on the salespeople cons and they sit there useless.

Best of luck and hope it all works out for you on that one! 6.5kW could
be used in your home but you would not be set up for a battery system
and batteries cost more than grid power on an on-going basis.

--------------
"Doug Winterburn" wrote in message
eb.com...

Solar City finished the install today (minus two roof tiles). It's a
6.5KW 28 panel system.

Now waiting for APS (local power utility) to install a bi-directional
meter and give the go ahead to power up.

More to come after a few months usage...

- Doug


Listen you moron - I did have approval before proceeding. I just need
the final inspection for turn on.

As well, the storage facility is the grid.

I also don't pay a penny until it's in service.

I can see you're really up on things...



Careful now Doug, Jose knows it all.



Crap, I had him blocked on the wRec, but I didn't know he'd show up on abpw.

- Doug


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I love it. Nice direction to head.
I am envious.
JohnL

"Doug Winterburn" wrote in message
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Solar City finished the install today (minus two roof tiles). It's a
6.5KW 28 panel system.

Now waiting for APS (local power utility) to install a bi-directional
meter and give the go ahead to power up.

More to come after a few months usage...

- Doug

--
"A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to
blame somebody else." -John Burroughs

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On 10/20/2011 06:41 PM, jloomis wrote:
I love it. Nice direction to head.
I am envious.
JohnL

"Doug Winterburn" wrote in message
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Solar City finished the install today (minus two roof tiles). It's a
6.5KW 28 panel system.

Now waiting for APS (local power utility) to install a bi-directional
meter and give the go ahead to power up.

More to come after a few months usage...

- Doug


If you're in a good sun location (I'm in the desert of AZ), you should
think about it. It can be as cheap as a zero down with a monthly lease
and should cost you no more than your current electricity bill.

Check out solarcity.com

- Doug



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On 10/20/2011 7:31 PM, Doug Winterburn wrote:
On 10/20/2011 05:17 PM, Leon wrote:
On 10/20/2011 6:44 PM, Doug Winterburn wrote:
On 10/20/2011 03:53 PM, Josepi wrote:
You should have had the approval to connect before proceeding!

I have seen 100s of KW of PV panels that are not allowed to be grid
connected. The Power Authority doesn't want any more in that location
due to grid or load capacities. People spent big bucks to have them
installed based on the salespeople cons and they sit there useless.

Best of luck and hope it all works out for you on that one! 6.5kW could
be used in your home but you would not be set up for a battery system
and batteries cost more than grid power on an on-going basis.

--------------
"Doug Winterburn" wrote in message
eb.com...

Solar City finished the install today (minus two roof tiles). It's a
6.5KW 28 panel system.

Now waiting for APS (local power utility) to install a bi-directional
meter and give the go ahead to power up.

More to come after a few months usage...

- Doug


Listen you moron - I did have approval before proceeding. I just need
the final inspection for turn on.

As well, the storage facility is the grid.

I also don't pay a penny until it's in service.

I can see you're really up on things...



Careful now Doug, Jose knows it all.



Crap, I had him blocked on the wRec, but I didn't know he'd show up on
abpw.

- Doug


He re-ups when he realizes no one sees him any more.
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Good. I wouldn't want to see it happen to somebody else.

Sorry about your bad attitude.Maybe you shouldn't post on public forums if
you have temper tantrums over concerns you ask for. Have you tried seeing
your doctor about medication?

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On 10/20/2011 05:17 PM, Leon wrote:
On 10/20/2011 6:44 PM, Doug Winterburn wrote:
On 10/20/2011 03:53 PM, Josepi wrote:
You should have had the approval to connect before proceeding!

I have seen 100s of KW of PV panels that are not allowed to be grid
connected. The Power Authority doesn't want any more in that location
due to grid or load capacities. People spent big bucks to have them
installed based on the salespeople cons and they sit there useless.

Best of luck and hope it all works out for you on that one! 6.5kW could
be used in your home but you would not be set up for a battery system
and batteries cost more than grid power on an on-going basis.

--------------
"Doug Winterburn" wrote in message
eb.com...

Solar City finished the install today (minus two roof tiles). It's a
6.5KW 28 panel system.

Now waiting for APS (local power utility) to install a bi-directional
meter and give the go ahead to power up.

More to come after a few months usage...

- Doug


Listen you moron - I did have approval before proceeding. I just need
the final inspection for turn on.

As well, the storage facility is the grid.

I also don't pay a penny until it's in service.

I can see you're really up on things...



Careful now Doug, Jose knows it all.



Crap, I had him blocked on the wRec, but I didn't know he'd show up on abpw.

- Doug


--
"A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to
blame somebody else." -John Burroughs

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Or you could put your money in an interest bearing bank account and actually
net a profit instead of supporting the latest fad and then telling the world
you are a salesman's dream, idiot.

Let us know when you break even on the loss in investment income potential.
Ain't gonna' happen - moron.

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On 10/20/2011 06:41 PM, jloomis wrote:
I love it. Nice direction to head.
I am envious.
JohnL

"Doug Winterburn" wrote in message
eb.com...

Solar City finished the install today (minus two roof tiles). It's a
6.5KW 28 panel system.

Now waiting for APS (local power utility) to install a bi-directional
meter and give the go ahead to power up.

More to come after a few months usage...

- Doug


If you're in a good sun location (I'm in the desert of AZ), you should
think about it. It can be as cheap as a zero down with a monthly lease
and should cost you no more than your current electricity bill.

Check out solarcity.com

- Doug



--
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blame somebody else." -John Burroughs



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On 10/20/2011 10:30 PM, Josepi wrote:
Good. I wouldn't want to see it happen to somebody else.

Sorry about your bad attitude.Maybe you shouldn't post on public forums
if you have temper tantrums over concerns you ask for. Have you tried
seeing your doctor about medication?




Wow he only mentioned that he thought he had you blocked. And then your
imagination went wild and became abrasive. Pot,Kettle

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On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 17:31:52 -0700, Doug Winterburn wrote:

On 10/20/2011 05:17 PM, Leon wrote:
On 10/20/2011 6:44 PM, Doug Winterburn wrote:
On 10/20/2011 03:53 PM, Josepi wrote:
You should have had the approval to connect before proceeding!

I have seen 100s of KW of PV panels that are not allowed to be grid
connected. The Power Authority doesn't want any more in that location
due to grid or load capacities. People spent big bucks to have them
installed based on the salespeople cons and they sit there useless.

Best of luck and hope it all works out for you on that one! 6.5kW
could be used in your home but you would not be set up for a battery
system and batteries cost more than grid power on an on-going basis.

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eb.com...

Solar City finished the install today (minus two roof tiles). It's a
6.5KW 28 panel system.

Now waiting for APS (local power utility) to install a bi-directional
meter and give the go ahead to power up.

More to come after a few months usage...

- Doug


Listen you moron - I did have approval before proceeding. I just need
the final inspection for turn on.

As well, the storage facility is the grid.

I also don't pay a penny until it's in service.

I can see you're really up on things...



Careful now Doug, Jose knows it all.



Crap, I had him blocked on the wRec, but I didn't know he'd show up on
abpw.

- Doug


I've been on usenet for 20 years, this asshole is the reason I have a kf,
sometimes it is the only way.

basilisk



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On 10/22/2011 07:23 AM, basilisk wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 17:31:52 -0700, Doug Winterburn wrote:

On 10/20/2011 05:17 PM, Leon wrote:
On 10/20/2011 6:44 PM, Doug Winterburn wrote:
On 10/20/2011 03:53 PM, Josepi wrote:
You should have had the approval to connect before proceeding!

I have seen 100s of KW of PV panels that are not allowed to be grid
connected. The Power Authority doesn't want any more in that location
due to grid or load capacities. People spent big bucks to have them
installed based on the salespeople cons and they sit there useless.

Best of luck and hope it all works out for you on that one! 6.5kW
could be used in your home but you would not be set up for a battery
system and batteries cost more than grid power on an on-going basis.

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"Doug Winterburn" wrote in message
eb.com...

Solar City finished the install today (minus two roof tiles). It's a
6.5KW 28 panel system.

Now waiting for APS (local power utility) to install a bi-directional
meter and give the go ahead to power up.

More to come after a few months usage...

- Doug


Listen you moron - I did have approval before proceeding. I just need
the final inspection for turn on.

As well, the storage facility is the grid.

I also don't pay a penny until it's in service.

I can see you're really up on things...



Careful now Doug, Jose knows it all.



Crap, I had him blocked on the wRec, but I didn't know he'd show up on
abpw.

- Doug


I've been on usenet for 20 years, this asshole is the reason I have a kf,
sometimes it is the only way.

basilisk




As soon as I saw his ugly little mole head pop up - whack!

- Doug


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I may have some swampland I could sell you since you like to spend money
without research.

If you are doing it for the "green" of the planet, think again.
If you think you would ever break even on the LOI, think again.
If you are doing it for the classic US anxiety of Arabs owning your home,
that may be a different matter.

Judging by your childish response here I think the latter is the reason and
I still have swampland that is a good deal.


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He never had any concerns... He was just showing us what he had and
would report back later.

But yes it didn't warrant the response. But there are a lot of touchy
people here. A lot of know it alls too.

On 10/20/2011 11:30 PM, Josepi wrote:
Good. I wouldn't want to see it happen to somebody else.

Sorry about your bad attitude.Maybe you shouldn't post on public forums
if you have temper tantrums over concerns you ask for. Have you tried
seeing your doctor about medication?

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On 10/20/2011 05:17 PM, Leon wrote:
On 10/20/2011 6:44 PM, Doug Winterburn wrote:
On 10/20/2011 03:53 PM, Josepi wrote:
You should have had the approval to connect before proceeding!

I have seen 100s of KW of PV panels that are not allowed to be grid
connected. The Power Authority doesn't want any more in that location
due to grid or load capacities. People spent big bucks to have them
installed based on the salespeople cons and they sit there useless.

Best of luck and hope it all works out for you on that one! 6.5kW could
be used in your home but you would not be set up for a battery system
and batteries cost more than grid power on an on-going basis.

--------------
"Doug Winterburn" wrote in message
eb.com...

Solar City finished the install today (minus two roof tiles). It's a
6.5KW 28 panel system.

Now waiting for APS (local power utility) to install a bi-directional
meter and give the go ahead to power up.

More to come after a few months usage...

- Doug


Listen you moron - I did have approval before proceeding. I just need
the final inspection for turn on.

As well, the storage facility is the grid.

I also don't pay a penny until it's in service.

I can see you're really up on things...



Careful now Doug, Jose knows it all.



Crap, I had him blocked on the wRec, but I didn't know he'd show up on
abpw.

- Doug




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The term is "sock puppets" and now they will have more temper tantrums
because you top posted... LOL

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He never had any concerns... He was just showing us what he had and
would report back later.

But yes it didn't warrant the response. But there are a lot of touchy
people here. A lot of know it alls too.

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Good. I wouldn't want to see it happen to somebody else.

Sorry about your bad attitude.Maybe you shouldn't post on public forums
if you have temper tantrums over concerns you ask for. Have you tried
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Solar City finished the install today (minus two roof tiles). It's a
6.5KW 28 panel system.

Now waiting for APS (local power utility) to install a bi-directional
meter and give the go ahead to power up.

More to come after a few months usage...

- Doug



Nice job Doug. I've been pondering that very idea when it comes time
to replace our roof. I've been eyeing up those new shigles with the
panels built-in. Only thing I'm not certain of is how well it would do
here in Ohio. Let us know how it turns out for you.

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On 11/10/2011 06:49 AM, Casper wrote:
Solar City finished the install today (minus two roof tiles). It's a
6.5KW 28 panel system.

Now waiting for APS (local power utility) to install a bi-directional
meter and give the go ahead to power up.

More to come after a few months usage...

- Doug



Nice job Doug. I've been pondering that very idea when it comes time
to replace our roof. I've been eyeing up those new shigles with the
panels built-in. Only thing I'm not certain of is how well it would do
here in Ohio. Let us know how it turns out for you.

`Casper


Solar makes a lot of sense here in the Arizona desert where we get 300+
days a year of sunshine. I grew up in Washington State where solar
wouldn't be a very good option because of the 300 days of gloom.

Solar City did get the two roof tiles replaced. Solar City and APS (our
power utility) will be here Monday to put the system through its paces
and put it online.

Part of the system includes online internet monitoring that updates
every 15 minutes. Their website allows you to see almost real time
statistics.

I was thinking that I wouldn't be affected by daytime power outages, but
they explained that when the inverter senses a power loss on the grid,
it shuts down also - wouldn't want to try to power the whole grid or zap
a technician working on it. I suppose if there was an automatic
transfer switch or such to isolate the system...

- Doug


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I was thinking that I wouldn't be affected by daytime power outages, but
they explained that when the inverter senses a power loss on the grid,
it shuts down also - wouldn't want to try to power the whole grid or zap
a technician working on it. I suppose if there was an automatic
transfer switch or such to isolate the system...


Yep, grid tie systems are required to disconnect when the grid goes down. The
system you are alluding to is typically set up to charge a bank of batteries.
When the batteries are are fully charged, the system starts feeding power to
the grid. Transfers from grid to inverter power for your house can be
automatic, but usually this is only done to a few dedicated outlets/circuits
(think refridgerators) since it is unlikely a system would have the oomph to
power an entire house (should you have large electric loads like
ovens/heaters running at the time).
-BR

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On 10/20/2011 01:37 PM, Doug Winterburn wrote:
Solar City finished the install today (minus two roof tiles). It's a
6.5KW 28 panel system.

Now waiting for APS (local power utility) to install a bi-directional
meter and give the go ahead to power up.

More to come after a few months usage...

- Doug



System approved and turned on this morning. Generating 4KW at 9:45am
and meter is running backwards :-) Will see how close to max of 6KW it
gets at noon.


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System approved and turned on this morning. Generating 4KW at 9:45am
and meter is running backwards :-) Will see how close to max of 6KW it
gets at noon.


Good for you. It will be interesting to see how the long term results
work out.
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On 10/20/2011 01:37 PM, Doug Winterburn wrote:
Solar City finished the install today (minus two roof tiles). It's a
6.5KW 28 panel system.

Now waiting for APS (local power utility) to install a bi-directional
meter and give the go ahead to power up.

More to come after a few months usage...

- Doug


Window grab attached for first full day of operation. It was cloudy
until about 9:30am. Each bar represents 1/2 hour of operation, so add
two adjacent bars to get KWh. Generated about 29 KWh which is more than
my average daily usage for November. Now if I could figure out how to
eliminate all the taxes, fees, delivery charges, etc....


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Nice!

It would appear your altitude angle does not match the sun angle, perfectly,
at this time of year as your output at solar noon seems somewhat less than
the rating of your PV panels.

What is your PV altitude angle and your geographic latitude at?


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my average daily usage for November. Now if I could figure out how to
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