Question about toxicity of wood, particularly "exotic" or at least from the
far corners of the world. What are typical problems,how is the toxin
transmitted, what are typical symptoms and is there need for prevention more
than just the typical common sense?

A partial list of transmissions could be
dust inhalation
dust in mucus membranes, e.g. eyes, nose
surface irritants picked up by touching with skin

and a partial list of preventions will always be a dust mask, good dust
collection, face shield,
but what else?

I picked up some pallet wood from who-knows-where but there are several nice
boards in it, some look like mahogany (not that nice), others are reddish to
pink, fine closed grain, and some of it is yellow and softer and some is
very coarse, very hard, heavy and grainy (bitch'n splinters).

I haven't had any problems with it, but just to be on the safe side ... good
advise is worth considering.
Thanks in advance.

--

Stephen

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 06:49:24 GMT, Stephen wrote:



Question about toxicity of wood, particularly "exotic" or at least
from the far corners of the world. What are typical problems,how is
the toxin

I'm of the feeling that just because a peice of wood from half way
around the world there is no reason for it to be any more 'toxic' than
something from your back yard. Or should I rephrase that to say
'something from your back yard may not be any less toxic than..."

I have a mild-severe reaction to Walnut bark from greenwood. Dust
raised when sanding, or maybe just cutting Spalted wood carries lots
of Fungus. What I'm trying to say is to be carefull with all woods
and the byproduct of turning.

mike


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Question about toxicity of wood, particularly "exotic" or at least
from the far corners of the world. What are typical problems,how is
the toxin transmitted, what are typical symptoms and is there need for
prevention more than just the typical common sense?

A partial list of transmissions could be
dust inhalation
dust in mucus membranes, e.g. eyes, nose
surface irritants picked up by touching with skin

and a partial list of preventions will always be a dust mask, good
dust collection, face shield,
but what else?

I picked up some pallet wood from who-knows-where but there are
several nice boards in it, some look like mahogany (not that nice),
others are reddish to pink, fine closed grain, and some of it is
yellow and softer and some is very coarse, very hard, heavy and grainy
(bitch'n splinters).

I haven't had any problems with it, but just to be on the safe side
... good advise is worth considering.
Thanks in advance.


Can't really provide any more info than to cite a couple of web sites
dealing with toxicity and wood..maybe you already know about them as they
have been passed around around numerous newsgroups?

http://www.mimf.com/archives/toxic.htm

http://www.cs.rochester.edu/u/roche/...isc/wood.toxic

GJP

Google this group on eg. toxic wood, bad wood, or google the web, you'll
find plenty.

Seems the consensus is that all woods are carginogenic in fine particles,
while some cause allergies, dermatitis etc.

So take care; cover up, use face masks, get some exhaust happening in your
workshop.

Downer huh!

Ern
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"Stephen" wrote in
news:UZqec.85174$Ig.69340@pd7tw2no:

Question about toxicity of wood, particularly "exotic" or at least
from the far corners of the world. What are typical problems,how is
the toxin transmitted, what are typical symptoms and is there need for
prevention more than just the typical common sense?

A partial list of transmissions could be
dust inhalation
dust in mucus membranes, e.g. eyes, nose
surface irritants picked up by touching with skin

and a partial list of preventions will always be a dust mask, good
dust collection, face shield,
but what else?

I picked up some pallet wood from who-knows-where but there are
several nice boards in it, some look like mahogany (not that nice),
others are reddish to pink, fine closed grain, and some of it is
yellow and softer and some is very coarse, very hard, heavy and grainy
(bitch'n splinters).

I haven't had any problems with it, but just to be on the safe side
... good advise is worth considering.
Thanks in advance.


Can't really provide any more info than to cite a couple of web sites
dealing with toxicity and wood..maybe you already know about them as they
have been passed around around numerous newsgroups?

http://www.mimf.com/archives/toxic.htm

http://www.cs.rochester.edu/u/roche/...isc/wood.toxic

GJP

I had a BAD reaction to Rosewood when I put a piece of that on my lathe.
Where ever there was a shaving, I had a reaction on my skin. Unfortunately,
this didn't show up until that night \ next day, so I went merrily along my
way with shavings all over my neck, arms, chest (shavings went down my
shirt). I looked it up on that toxicity web page and I see it is one of the
most potent and common reactions, so at least I felt like it wasn't too
abnormal. It was so bad though, I had to get the steroids and everything to
get it under control. Of course, I wasn't finished with the piece, so I had
to figure out something. I bundled up completely and used rubber gloves and
duct tape my wrist areas (between gloves and sweat shirt) and put a mask and
covered over my face, neck and head. It worked to some extent, but I ended
up get a nice rash on my temple area ... it happened when I would reach up
and take off my safety glasses (had dust on my finger tips).

With that said - I learned that I can't work with Rosewood. I also like to
use long sleeves when I turn things just so I don't get a lot of shavings on
my arms where it is really exposed. Paranoid maybe ... but once bitten,
twice shy.

Darren
"Stephen" wrote in message
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Question about toxicity of wood, particularly "exotic" or at least from
the
far corners of the world. What are typical problems,how is the toxin
transmitted, what are typical symptoms and is there need for prevention
more
than just the typical common sense?

A partial list of transmissions could be
dust inhalation
dust in mucus membranes, e.g. eyes, nose
surface irritants picked up by touching with skin

and a partial list of preventions will always be a dust mask, good dust
collection, face shield,
but what else?

I picked up some pallet wood from who-knows-where but there are several
nice
boards in it, some look like mahogany (not that nice), others are reddish
to
pink, fine closed grain, and some of it is yellow and softer and some is
very coarse, very hard, heavy and grainy (bitch'n splinters).

I haven't had any problems with it, but just to be on the safe side ...
good
advise is worth considering.
Thanks in advance.

--

Stephen

On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:08:40 -0700, "Darren"
hurled these words of wisdom into the ether:

I had a BAD reaction to Rosewood when I put a piece of that on my lathe.

Was it an actual rosewood (dalbergia sp.) or one of the ersatz
rosewoods, like "Bolivian Rosewood" aka morado? The dalbergias don't
give me any problems...nor do any other woods...except for that
stinking Bolivian. That stuff made me break out exactly the same way
you appear to have. And to add insult to injury, the same areas that
were broken out before have become hyper-sensitized to heat/humidity,
so that when I come out of the shower, it looks like I was exposed all
over again, and my last exposure was many months ago.


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Late to this thread but was wondering if there isn't some creme that could
be applied to skin surface that would provide some protection? Ideally it
would go on, dry and wash off fairly easy with soap and water.
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On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:08:40 -0700, "Darren"
hurled these words of wisdom into the ether:

I had a BAD reaction to Rosewood when I put a piece of that on my lathe.

Was it an actual rosewood (dalbergia sp.) or one of the ersatz
rosewoods, like "Bolivian Rosewood" aka morado? The dalbergias don't
give me any problems...nor do any other woods...except for that
stinking Bolivian. That stuff made me break out exactly the same way
you appear to have. And to add insult to injury, the same areas that
were broken out before have become hyper-sensitized to heat/humidity,
so that when I come out of the shower, it looks like I was exposed all
over again, and my last exposure was many months ago.


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On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 14:51:22 -0500, "Kevin"
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Late to this thread but was wondering if there isn't some creme that could
be applied to skin surface that would provide some protection? Ideally it
would go on, dry and wash off fairly easy with soap and water.

I've never used a barrier cream for it, but if you're reaction isn't
severe, it might be worth a try. It's just easier for me to avoid it,
because there are so many other woods I can turn with no problem.


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Try IvyBlock. You can get it at Walgreens and probably most other drug stores.

Bill

In article , says...
Late to this thread but was wondering if there isn't some creme that could
be applied to skin surface that would provide some protection? Ideally it
would go on, dry and wash off fairly easy with soap and water.
"Chuck" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:08:40 -0700, "Darren"
hurled these words of wisdom into the ether:

I had a BAD reaction to Rosewood when I put a piece of that on my lathe.

Was it an actual rosewood (dalbergia sp.) or one of the ersatz
rosewoods, like "Bolivian Rosewood" aka morado? The dalbergias don't
give me any problems...nor do any other woods...except for that
stinking Bolivian. That stuff made me break out exactly the same way
you appear to have. And to add insult to injury, the same areas that
were broken out before have become hyper-sensitized to heat/humidity,
so that when I come out of the shower, it looks like I was exposed all
over again, and my last exposure was many months ago.


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I don't know what kind of rosewood it was. I now stay away from it all
together. I am a tad paranoid now too when doing more exotic woods.

I know exactly what you are talking about in regard to the "rash" coming
back when I sweat or in the shower. It was like that way for months after
the rash, but now I don't think it happens any more (haven't noticed it any
ways).

To prevent this, I don't know if I would trust "barrier cream". Any little
spec that hit my skin seemed to irritate it. I "might" turn rosewood in
the future if I had a moon suit on ... even then, I would be hestitant
because the dust \ shavings would still be in my shop.

Darren

"Chuck" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:08:40 -0700, "Darren"
hurled these words of wisdom into the ether:

I had a BAD reaction to Rosewood when I put a piece of that on my lathe.

Was it an actual rosewood (dalbergia sp.) or one of the ersatz
rosewoods, like "Bolivian Rosewood" aka morado? The dalbergias don't
give me any problems...nor do any other woods...except for that
stinking Bolivian. That stuff made me break out exactly the same way
you appear to have. And to add insult to injury, the same areas that
were broken out before have become hyper-sensitized to heat/humidity,
so that when I come out of the shower, it looks like I was exposed all
over again, and my last exposure was many months ago.


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"Darren" wrote in message

I don't know what kind of rosewood it was. I now stay away from it all
together. I am a tad paranoid now too when doing more exotic woods.

I know exactly what you are talking about in regard to the "rash" coming
back when I sweat or in the shower. It was like that way for months
after
the rash, but now I don't think it happens any more (haven't noticed it
any
ways).

To prevent this, I don't know if I would trust "barrier cream". Any
little
spec that hit my skin seemed to irritate it. I "might" turn rosewood in
the future if I had a moon suit on ... even then, I would be hestitant
because the dust \ shavings would still be in my shop.

I'm not sure I'd be as worried about the rash, Darren, as the possibility of
inhaling enough of the dust to go into anaphylaxis. You are obviously
extremely hypersensitive to the stuff.

Max

On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 21:54:08 GMT, "Maxprop"
hurled these words of wisdom into the ether:


I'm not sure I'd be as worried about the rash, Darren, as the possibility of
inhaling enough of the dust to go into anaphylaxis. You are obviously
extremely hypersensitive to the stuff.

Topical irritation isn't indicative of a systemic reaction to an
allergen, which is what anaphylaxis is. I have a pretty severe skin
reaction to morado (the aforementioned "bolivian rosewood") but it
causes no other allergic reactions whatsoever, and I am an asthmatic.
AAMOF, the only thing I've ever turned that gave me any breathing
difficulties was some bone-dry birch, which actually just made my
throat sore.


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See
http://www.ubeaut.com.au/woodstuf.htm
click on Bad woods
for some data on species' toxicity.

Cheers,

Ern

"Ern Reeders" wrote in message
...
Google this group on eg. toxic wood, bad wood, or google the web, you'll
find plenty.

Seems the consensus is that all woods are carginogenic in fine particles,
while some cause allergies, dermatitis etc.

So take care; cover up, use face masks, get some exhaust happening in your
workshop.

Downer huh!

Ern
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"Stephen" wrote in
news:UZqec.85174$Ig.69340@pd7tw2no:

Question about toxicity of wood, particularly "exotic" or at least
from the far corners of the world. What are typical problems,how is
the toxin transmitted, what are typical symptoms and is there need for
prevention more than just the typical common sense?

A partial list of transmissions could be
dust inhalation
dust in mucus membranes, e.g. eyes, nose
surface irritants picked up by touching with skin

and a partial list of preventions will always be a dust mask, good
dust collection, face shield,
but what else?

I picked up some pallet wood from who-knows-where but there are
several nice boards in it, some look like mahogany (not that nice),
others are reddish to pink, fine closed grain, and some of it is
yellow and softer and some is very coarse, very hard, heavy and grainy
(bitch'n splinters).

I haven't had any problems with it, but just to be on the safe side
... good advise is worth considering.
Thanks in advance.


Can't really provide any more info than to cite a couple of web sites
dealing with toxicity and wood..maybe you already know about them as
they
have been passed around around numerous newsgroups?

http://www.mimf.com/archives/toxic.htm

http://www.cs.rochester.edu/u/roche/...isc/wood.toxic

GJP

"Chuck" wrote in message

Topical irritation isn't indicative of a systemic reaction to an
allergen, which is what anaphylaxis is. I have a pretty severe skin
reaction to morado (the aforementioned "bolivian rosewood") but it
causes no other allergic reactions whatsoever, and I am an asthmatic.
AAMOF, the only thing I've ever turned that gave me any breathing
difficulties was some bone-dry birch, which actually just made my
throat sore.

It's been a while since professional school, but I seem to recall that skin
sensitivity testing is predictive of the potential for systemic
hypersensitivity. Your experience, while encouraging, may not be
conclusive. I'd use caution around those substances to which you react.

Max

Confusion between dermatitis and anaphylaxis. Anaphylaxis is normally a
reaction to a _protein_, whereas the dermatitis, and inhalation asthma or
pulmonary edema, is a reaction to the chemical irritants. Not to minimize
the danger of inhalation asthma or edema, had a run this morning with
pulmonary edema from inhalation of bleach fumes which would certainly have
been fatal had oxygen and inhalation therapy been delayed another fifteen
minutes.

"Maxprop" wrote in message
hlink.net...

"Chuck" wrote in message

Topical irritation isn't indicative of a systemic reaction to an
allergen, which is what anaphylaxis is.

It's been a while since professional school, but I seem to recall that
skin
sensitivity testing is predictive of the potential for systemic
hypersensitivity. Your experience, while encouraging, may not be
conclusive. I'd use caution around those substances to which you react.

There is some truth to skin reaction to breathing reaction.

When you go in to find out allergies (cat, dog, trees, molds etc), they put
a "solution" on your arm. If it reacts (rash) then they know you are
allergic to it.

I am going to turn some Teak now - hopefully that will be ok for me. Never
done it before. Looking at wood toxicity
(http://www.riparia.org/toxic_woods.htm), it looks like it has minimal
reaction.

As for the dust - I always wear a mask any more when doing lathe work. Non
allergic dust can be a problem if you get too much of it ... especially
since I don't have a dust collector system.

Darren

"Maxprop" wrote in message
hlink.net...

"Chuck" wrote in message

Topical irritation isn't indicative of a systemic reaction to an
allergen, which is what anaphylaxis is. I have a pretty severe skin
reaction to morado (the aforementioned "bolivian rosewood") but it
causes no other allergic reactions whatsoever, and I am an asthmatic.
AAMOF, the only thing I've ever turned that gave me any breathing
difficulties was some bone-dry birch, which actually just made my
throat sore.

It's been a while since professional school, but I seem to recall that
skin
sensitivity testing is predictive of the potential for systemic
hypersensitivity. Your experience, while encouraging, may not be
conclusive. I'd use caution around those substances to which you react.

Max

"Darren" wrote in message

I am going to turn some Teak now - hopefully that will be ok for me.
Never
done it before. Looking at wood toxicity
(http://www.riparia.org/toxic_woods.htm), it looks like it has minimal
reaction.

I haven't had any reactions to teak dust, but the wood does dull tools
rather quickly. It apparently contains embedded silica particles (sand).
Since acquiring my lathe I've had a number of requests for simple turned
teak items. Apart from the tool regrinding and honing I've found teak quite
pleasant to turn. Enjoy.

Max

They place them _under_ the skin.

"Darren" wrote in message
...
There is some truth to skin reaction to breathing reaction.

When you go in to find out allergies (cat, dog, trees, molds etc), they
put
a "solution" on your arm. If it reacts (rash) then they know you are
allergic to it.

"George" george@least wrote in message

They place them _under_ the skin.

This is true and probably the source of confusion by both myself and others.
The droplets of potentially allergenic substances are placed on the skin,
then injected into the sub-q tissue with a lance or needle.

Are you a physician, George?

Max

Nope, medic. Probably see more anaphylaxis than the average physician.

"Maxprop" wrote in message
link.net...

"George" george@least wrote in message

They place them _under_ the skin.

This is true and probably the source of confusion by both myself and
others.
The droplets of potentially allergenic substances are placed on the skin,
then injected into the sub-q tissue with a lance or needle.

Are you a physician, George?

Max

On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 15:37:38 -0700, "Darren"
hurled these words of wisdom into the ether:

There is some truth to skin reaction to breathing reaction.

Actually, there isn't.

When you go in to find out allergies (cat, dog, trees, molds etc), they put
a "solution" on your arm. If it reacts (rash) then they know you are
allergic to it.

This adds weight to the old adage, "A little knowledge is a dangerous
thing." Yes, they do skin tests for allergies. However, the reaction
you have to wood, whereby your skin breaks out in an irritating rash
after exposure to its dust is called "contact dermatitis." With this
reaction, "There are no circulatory or otherwise detectable antibodies
produced." http://www.telemedicine.org/sensitiz.htm

The reasons that contact dermatitis (which is localized) is NOT
indicative of an anaphylactic reaction (which is systemic and involves
the production of histamines) are too numerous to mention, but you and
anyone else who confuse the two would be doing yourselves and others a
favor to do some research before you offer any medical advice.

You can start here
http://www.nationaljewish.org/medfacts/anaphalaxis.html
where there is a good, layman's-terms explanation of anaphylaxis, its
causes, symptoms, prevention and treatment, including what does and
doesn't cause it.

And no, I'm NOT a doctor, and I am NOT offering medical advice. The
only advice I'm giving is to not give or take medical advice from
anyone other than your doctor. Besides, if you go into anaphylactic
shock, you WILL know it, and you won't confuse it with a little
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"but you and anyone else who confuse the two would be doing yourselves and
others a favor to do some research before you offer any medical advice."

Wow - rough day at the office?

I can't speak for others that responded to this thread but I didn't give any
medical advice. Medical advice is "take two aspirin and call me in the
morning" type thing - where you are telling someone what to do in regard to
medical field.

I was just deducing what seemed logical that there would be a correlation
between breathing reactions (from molds etc) and your skin because that is
how they test it. Someone (George) corrected me and told me that the
specific test I was talking about was actually "under" the skin ... a nice
polite "conversation" on what people experienced. There was no one saying
"do this" or "don't do this". Also, if only "experts" posted to newsgroups,
then they would be quite empty. At what point can I tell people what wood
turning technique worked for me? The whole idea of newsgroups is that it
allows people to share similar experiences and talk about what they did and
maybe even offer an opinion on what they liked and what worked best for
them, stir thought etc. It is up to the person to use common sense (I
realize it isn't that common any more) and do what is best for them (just
like you said "the only advice I'm giving is to not give or take medical
advice from anyone other than your doctor").

I guess one advice I would give ... you might want to stay out of the
alt.support.cancer type newsgroups, because there they share similar
experiences and talk about what they did and offer advice on what they did
and didn't like. You could be setting people straight all day long if you
went to a newsgroup like that.

The funny thing - if I would have said "There SEEMS TO BE some truth to skin
reaction to breathing reaction", the need to scold \ set straight would not
have happened. Lesson learned on my part.

Just my 2 cents.

Darren


"Chuck" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 15:37:38 -0700, "Darren"
hurled these words of wisdom into the ether:

There is some truth to skin reaction to breathing reaction.

Actually, there isn't.

When you go in to find out allergies (cat, dog, trees, molds etc), they
put
a "solution" on your arm. If it reacts (rash) then they know you are
allergic to it.

This adds weight to the old adage, "A little knowledge is a dangerous
thing." Yes, they do skin tests for allergies. However, the reaction
you have to wood, whereby your skin breaks out in an irritating rash
after exposure to its dust is called "contact dermatitis." With this
reaction, "There are no circulatory or otherwise detectable antibodies
produced." http://www.telemedicine.org/sensitiz.htm

The reasons that contact dermatitis (which is localized) is NOT
indicative of an anaphylactic reaction (which is systemic and involves
the production of histamines) are too numerous to mention, but you and
anyone else who confuse the two would be doing yourselves and others a
favor to do some research before you offer any medical advice.

You can start here
http://www.nationaljewish.org/medfacts/anaphalaxis.html
where there is a good, layman's-terms explanation of anaphylaxis, its
causes, symptoms, prevention and treatment, including what does and
doesn't cause it.

And no, I'm NOT a doctor, and I am NOT offering medical advice. The
only advice I'm giving is to not give or take medical advice from
anyone other than your doctor. Besides, if you go into anaphylactic
shock, you WILL know it, and you won't confuse it with a little
dermatitis.
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 12:24:37 -0700, "Darren"
hurled these words of wisdom into the ether:


Wow - rough day at the office?


Nope, just sounded to me like you were making a potentially dangerous,
(to you or anyone who might use your anecdotal deduction as "advice"),
assumption based on insufficient information. Didn't want to see you
or anyone else use that deduction in making their own diagnosis or,
worse yet, pass it on to someone else (not on the newsgroup) who
might be inclined to.

I was just deducing what seemed logical that there would be a correlation
between breathing reactions (from molds etc) and your skin because that is
how they test it.

Well, if you had said it "seemed logical," I would likely not have
said anything, but what you actually said was "There is some truth to
skin reaction to breathing reaction," which, you'll admit, has
somewhat of a ring of authority to it.

At what point can I tell people what wood
turning technique worked for me?

No point getting snide about it...rememeber, I can't see your face or
hear the tone of your voice to detect the implied "seems to," any more
than you can see my face or hear my voice to know I'm not "scolding."

Your comment, which was wrong and might have confused someone else who
didn't know better, was written _as if_ you were speaking from a
position of expertise. I simply wanted to disabuse you of the notion
that there was such a connection between the two.

The whole idea of newsgroups is that it
allows people to share similar experiences and talk about what they did and
maybe even offer an opinion on what they liked and what worked best for
them, stir thought etc.

That's true, and I'm certainly not about throttling the sharing of
information and experience. (Which was not how that was presented,
BTW) But in dealing with pretty well-established medical facts, it's
probably not all that wise to "suppose" and "deduce" things that might
cause death to the unwary or undue stress to those who have no need to
stress out, and stick to the medical literature rather than anecdotal
"evidence."

I guess one advice I would give ... you might want to stay out of the
alt.support.cancer type newsgroups, because there they share similar
experiences and talk about what they did and offer advice on what they did
and didn't like. You could be setting people straight all day long if you
went to a newsgroup like that.

A whole different ball of wax, I should imagine, and far more of a
range of prognosis, diagnosis and efficacy of treatment than dealing
with the difference between wood allergies and anaphylaxis.

The funny thing - if I would have said "There SEEMS TO BE some truth to skin
reaction to breathing reaction", the need to scold \ set straight would not
have happened.

Precisely so. Which is why I was so adamant about it. But don't
mistake my adamance for "scolding." I don't scold people, but I can
and do get passionate when I feel something is important enough, and I
thought your incorrect correlation warranted it. My apologies if you
felt unduly or unfairly chastised.

Probably if I hadn't said, "... before you offer any medical advice,"
you wouldn't have said anything either...

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Today they say "take two antidepressants and go to the ED if things get
worse."

There are probably some in the group who remember when you could actually
see your "own" doctor when you were sick, not just by appointment after two
weeks.

"Darren" wrote in message
...

I can't speak for others that responded to this thread but I didn't give
any
medical advice. Medical advice is "take two aspirin and call me in the
morning" type thing - where you are telling someone what to do in regard
to
medical field.

Ok - points well taken and no offense taken.

Darren

"Chuck" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 12:24:37 -0700, "Darren"
hurled these words of wisdom into the ether:


Wow - rough day at the office?


Nope, just sounded to me like you were making a potentially dangerous,
(to you or anyone who might use your anecdotal deduction as "advice"),
assumption based on insufficient information. Didn't want to see you
or anyone else use that deduction in making their own diagnosis or,
worse yet, pass it on to someone else (not on the newsgroup) who
might be inclined to.

I was just deducing what seemed logical that there would be a correlation
between breathing reactions (from molds etc) and your skin because that
is
how they test it.

Well, if you had said it "seemed logical," I would likely not have
said anything, but what you actually said was "There is some truth to
skin reaction to breathing reaction," which, you'll admit, has
somewhat of a ring of authority to it.

At what point can I tell people what wood
turning technique worked for me?

No point getting snide about it...rememeber, I can't see your face or
hear the tone of your voice to detect the implied "seems to," any more
than you can see my face or hear my voice to know I'm not "scolding."

Your comment, which was wrong and might have confused someone else who
didn't know better, was written _as if_ you were speaking from a
position of expertise. I simply wanted to disabuse you of the notion
that there was such a connection between the two.

The whole idea of newsgroups is that it
allows people to share similar experiences and talk about what they did
and
maybe even offer an opinion on what they liked and what worked best for
them, stir thought etc.

That's true, and I'm certainly not about throttling the sharing of
information and experience. (Which was not how that was presented,
BTW) But in dealing with pretty well-established medical facts, it's
probably not all that wise to "suppose" and "deduce" things that might
cause death to the unwary or undue stress to those who have no need to
stress out, and stick to the medical literature rather than anecdotal
"evidence."

I guess one advice I would give ... you might want to stay out of the
alt.support.cancer type newsgroups, because there they share similar
experiences and talk about what they did and offer advice on what they
did
and didn't like. You could be setting people straight all day long if
you
went to a newsgroup like that.

A whole different ball of wax, I should imagine, and far more of a
range of prognosis, diagnosis and efficacy of treatment than dealing
with the difference between wood allergies and anaphylaxis.

The funny thing - if I would have said "There SEEMS TO BE some truth to
skin
reaction to breathing reaction", the need to scold \ set straight would
not
have happened.

Precisely so. Which is why I was so adamant about it. But don't
mistake my adamance for "scolding." I don't scold people, but I can
and do get passionate when I feel something is important enough, and I
thought your incorrect correlation warranted it. My apologies if you
felt unduly or unfairly chastised.

Probably if I hadn't said, "... before you offer any medical advice,"
you wouldn't have said anything either...

; ^ )




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"George" george@least wrote in message
...
Today they say "take two antidepressants and go to the ED if things get
worse."
===========================
George,
Did you miss the R key and hit D, or is there a meaning for ED that I'm not
catching?

Ken Moon
Webberville, TX

Please, it's not just a room, it's a "Department."

I deal a lot with them, so adopt their habits.

"Ken Moon" wrote in message
ink.net...

"George" george@least wrote in message
...
Today they say "take two antidepressants and go to the ED if things get
worse."
===========================
George,
Did you miss the R key and hit D, or is there a meaning for ED that I'm
not
catching?

On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 21:26:06 GMT, "Ken Moon"
wrote:


"George" george@least wrote in message
...
Today they say "take two antidepressants and go to the ED if things get
worse."
===========================
George,
Did you miss the R key and hit D, or is there a meaning for ED that I'm not
catching?

That's his doctor's name, "ED"


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"George" george@least wrote in message

Please, it's not just a room, it's a "Department."

I deal a lot with them, so adopt their habits.

Hmmm, interesting. Must be a regional thing. None around here are called
EDs, rather ERs.

Max