We all know Mac loves his Lignum Vitae, but does anyone know of sources
within the UK?

I have found a one, but they have only small pieces of branch 6 inch x 2
inch. The other option being redundant crown green bowls, but they again
are limited in size
--
John

On Jun 2, 4:23 pm, John wrote:
We all know Mac loves his Lignum Vitae, but does anyone know of sources
within the UK?

I have found a one, but they have only small pieces of branch 6 inch x 2
inch. The other option being redundant crown green bowls, but they again
are limited in size
--
John

Mac will know a lot more about this than I do, but I know that
domestically, in the US, a piece 6" x 2" is considered a good sized
piece.

In my understanding, almost all of the larger sized pieces of ironwood
came from Mexico or just a little farther south.

When I wanted to turn some ironwood, I couldn't find any. Then there
was a large eagle ("crafted in Mexico") in a gift store I saw on
clearance made from ironwood. It was cheaper than buying raw stock,
so that's my experience in buying and turning.

You might look into your Pier One or any international type store or
gift store.

Hopefully, mac will be along shortly...

Robert

On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 22:23:44 +0100, John wrote:

We all know Mac loves his Lignum Vitae, but does anyone know of sources
within the UK?

I have found a one, but they have only small pieces of branch 6 inch x 2
inch. The other option being redundant crown green bowls, but they again
are limited in size

2 different woods/trees, John..
In my experience, the difference is:

LV is a oily, dense wood that used to grow wild on the US gulf coast...
Light brown in color, it turns green when exposed to sun light..

Turns VERY well with nice shavings and holds a bead, etc. very well..
Works like any hard, oily wood..
Sands, polishes and buffs very well, but can heat check when sanding if you let
the heat build up..

Desert Ironwood is dark brown, almost black wood, with gold streaks..... very
dry and usually found in Mexico, Arizona and parts of California.. (the Sonora
desert area)

Turns ok, once you ruin your chainsaw and band saw blades getting it to the
lathe..

Some shavings and a huge amount of fine brown dust that gets into everything,
regardless of dust collection..
Loves to chip, crack and sometimes splinter, mostly because any legally obtained
DI is dead and has been for some time.. Most places have heavy penalties for
cutting a live tree..
Sands, buffs and polishes very well.. Weird to sand because it LIKES high speed
and lots of pressure.. High gloss just from sanding, but buffing makes it shine
and brings out the gold highlights..

As far as I know, desert ironwood can be exported by licensed folks..
Can't be transported in AZ, I'm told, unless you're a Native American of an AZ
tribe..
Don't know if that's true, but I was warned by a US customs inspector to NOT try
to bring any ironwood into Mexico from AZ...


mac

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On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 14:58:30 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:


Hopefully, mac will be along shortly...

Robert

Or lowly... ;-]

Seems like you either have too much ironwood or none down here..
Had folks giving my large chunks and small branches for a while, now I have the
word out that I'll BUY pieces or a trunk, and no wood..
I'm still felling really stupid for not trading my Jet mini for the 8' tree
trunk the guy offered my..
Just sold most of my ironwood pieces and now know that I could have made at
least $1,000 worth of stuff out of that trunk... DUH!

I hated to do it, but bought an ironwood dolphin in town and ran it through the
lathe for pen blanks..
It was $12 and I got 6 pen blanks and a few stopper blanks out of it.. works for
me but I hate to destroy someone else's art.

OTOH, I guess I really don't care what folks do with my stuff after they buy it,
as long as they buy it..



mac

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Caution the group on using the term Ironwood - every area or state has
an Ironwood. I have some from the South Pacific even.

Lignum Vitae was used as shaft bushings in large ships. Perhaps shipping
companies or the Navy surplus depot has some forms that came from ships
that kept it for backup. In field replacement...

Martin
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John wrote:
We all know Mac loves his Lignum Vitae, but does anyone know of sources
within the UK?

I have found a one, but they have only small pieces of branch 6 inch x 2
inch. The other option being redundant crown green bowls, but they again
are limited in size


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You need a friend that has a metal saw. Metal bandsaw. Often they
have blades that are bent up due to a malfunction.

The blade will cut with metal shears - compound type. Make a length
that of a Meat Saw - or a Bow Saw (or both) and then on the drill press,
take a rod and chuck it into the drill press.

On center - press down with the drill press and get red hot and blue the
metal there. You can then drill a hole in the tough metal.

You can get steel cutting M42 cobalt.
That will cut nicely.

Martin

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NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder
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mac davis wrote:
On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 22:23:44 +0100, John wrote:

We all know Mac loves his Lignum Vitae, but does anyone know of sources
within the UK?

I have found a one, but they have only small pieces of branch 6 inch x 2
inch. The other option being redundant crown green bowls, but they again
are limited in size

2 different woods/trees, John..
In my experience, the difference is:

LV is a oily, dense wood that used to grow wild on the US gulf coast...
Light brown in color, it turns green when exposed to sun light..

Turns VERY well with nice shavings and holds a bead, etc. very well..
Works like any hard, oily wood..
Sands, polishes and buffs very well, but can heat check when sanding if you let
the heat build up..

Desert Ironwood is dark brown, almost black wood, with gold streaks..... very
dry and usually found in Mexico, Arizona and parts of California.. (the Sonora
desert area)

Turns ok, once you ruin your chainsaw and band saw blades getting it to the
lathe..

Some shavings and a huge amount of fine brown dust that gets into everything,
regardless of dust collection..
Loves to chip, crack and sometimes splinter, mostly because any legally obtained
DI is dead and has been for some time.. Most places have heavy penalties for
cutting a live tree..
Sands, buffs and polishes very well.. Weird to sand because it LIKES high speed
and lots of pressure.. High gloss just from sanding, but buffing makes it shine
and brings out the gold highlights..

As far as I know, desert ironwood can be exported by licensed folks..
Can't be transported in AZ, I'm told, unless you're a Native American of an AZ
tribe..
Don't know if that's true, but I was warned by a US customs inspector to NOT try
to bring any ironwood into Mexico from AZ...


mac

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In article ,
"Martin H. Eastburn" wrote:

Caution the group on using the term Ironwood - every area or state has
an Ironwood. I have some from the South Pacific even.

Copied because Martin is about the only one that got it RIGHT. "Iron
Wood" is a local name, that changes with just a few miles even. Iron
Wood in the UK, is NOT the Iron Wood Mac is familiar with.

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On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 05:54:06 -0700, Ralph E Lindberg wrote:

In article ,
"Martin H. Eastburn" wrote:

Caution the group on using the term Ironwood - every area or state has
an Ironwood. I have some from the South Pacific even.

Copied because Martin is about the only one that got it RIGHT. "Iron
Wood" is a local name, that changes with just a few miles even. Iron
Wood in the UK, is NOT the Iron Wood Mac is familiar with.

Just top throw one in.. As I understand it, Desert Ironwood is from the Sonora
Desert?

I was told that as folks from other countries settled the US, they named trees
that resembled ones at home.. any hard wood became "iron wood"


mac

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The desert Iron wood, and Lignum are 2 different trees. I have heard
that it is illegal to harvest any Lignum any more. Same with ebony. I
have a few big chunks I got from some guy who was moving out of town,
and he sold it cheap. The Only source I know of it would be Gilmer
Wood in Portland, OR
robo hippy

On Jun 3, 8:55*am, mac davis wrote:
On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 05:54:06 -0700, Ralph E Lindberg wrote:

In article ,
"Martin H. Eastburn" wrote:

Caution the group on using the term Ironwood - every area or state has
an Ironwood. * I have some from the South Pacific even.

*Copied because Martin is about the only one that got it RIGHT. "Iron
Wood" is a local name, that changes with just a few miles even. Iron
Wood in the UK, is NOT the Iron Wood Mac is familiar with.

Just top throw one in.. As I understand it, Desert Ironwood is from the Sonora
Desert?

I was told that as folks from other countries settled the US, they named trees
that resembled ones at home.. any hard wood became "iron wood"

mac

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On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 09:43:17 -0700 (PDT), robo hippy
wrote:

More than you'll ever wanna know about ironwood...
http://www.pima.gov/cmo/sdcp/species/iw/illus.html


The desert Iron wood, and Lignum are 2 different trees. I have heard
that it is illegal to harvest any Lignum any more. Same with ebony. I
have a few big chunks I got from some guy who was moving out of town,
and he sold it cheap. The Only source I know of it would be Gilmer
Wood in Portland, OR
robo hippy

On Jun 3, 8:55*am, mac davis wrote:
On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 05:54:06 -0700, Ralph E Lindberg wrote:

In article ,
"Martin H. Eastburn" wrote:

Caution the group on using the term Ironwood - every area or state has
an Ironwood. * I have some from the South Pacific even.

*Copied because Martin is about the only one that got it RIGHT. "Iron
Wood" is a local name, that changes with just a few miles even. Iron
Wood in the UK, is NOT the Iron Wood Mac is familiar with.

Just top throw one in.. As I understand it, Desert Ironwood is from the Sonora
Desert?

I was told that as folks from other countries settled the US, they named trees
that resembled ones at home.. any hard wood became "iron wood"

mac

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mac

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As I was taught, Iron wood in an area is the hardest/toughest stuff in the area.

One can start counting the thin ring trees in the group. Slow growing and tough.

Martin

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mac davis wrote:
On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 05:54:06 -0700, Ralph E Lindberg wrote:

In article ,
"Martin H. Eastburn" wrote:

Caution the group on using the term Ironwood - every area or state has
an Ironwood. I have some from the South Pacific even.

Copied because Martin is about the only one that got it RIGHT. "Iron
Wood" is a local name, that changes with just a few miles even. Iron
Wood in the UK, is NOT the Iron Wood Mac is familiar with.

Just top throw one in.. As I understand it, Desert Ironwood is from the Sonora
Desert?

I was told that as folks from other countries settled the US, they named trees
that resembled ones at home.. any hard wood became "iron wood"


mac

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ironwood

A long list of Ironwoods.

Martin

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NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder
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mac davis wrote:
On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 09:43:17 -0700 (PDT), robo hippy
wrote:

More than you'll ever wanna know about ironwood...
http://www.pima.gov/cmo/sdcp/species/iw/illus.html


The desert Iron wood, and Lignum are 2 different trees. I have heard
that it is illegal to harvest any Lignum any more. Same with ebony. I
have a few big chunks I got from some guy who was moving out of town,
and he sold it cheap. The Only source I know of it would be Gilmer
Wood in Portland, OR
robo hippy

On Jun 3, 8:55 am, mac davis wrote:
On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 05:54:06 -0700, Ralph E Lindberg wrote:

In article ,
"Martin H. Eastburn" wrote:
Caution the group on using the term Ironwood - every area or state has
an Ironwood. I have some from the South Pacific even.
Copied because Martin is about the only one that got it RIGHT. "Iron
Wood" is a local name, that changes with just a few miles even. Iron
Wood in the UK, is NOT the Iron Wood Mac is familiar with.
Just top throw one in.. As I understand it, Desert Ironwood is from the Sonora
Desert?

I was told that as folks from other countries settled the US, they named trees
that resembled ones at home.. any hard wood became "iron wood"

mac

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mac

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In message , John
writes
We all know Mac loves his Lignum Vitae, but does anyone know of sources
within the UK?

I have found a one, but they have only small pieces of branch 6 inch x
2 inch. The other option being redundant crown green bowls, but they
again are limited in size

Well, I have been lucky to pick up a couple of Crown Green Bowls, made
of Lignum Vitae, so now its a case of turning this round object into
another round object, well after I figure out how to hold them.

There appears to be three holes in one side, probably for a chuck of
some type, as they do not seem deep enough to take screws (about 1/4
inch). There is also an insert which is about 1 inch diameter on both
sides. I am currently thinking of holding the bowl by the three holes,
and then converting the insert recess on the other side to a dovetail.
Has anyone tried this before? IS there a better way of holding them?
--
John

I made a couple of very nice bowls (one of them lidded) form crown green
bowls. I made a small dimple in the centre of each of the small plastic
inserts. I then mounted the sphere between centres, set the lathe at a
slow speed and cut out the insert at the tailstock end. This left a small
recess and the centre was well marked from the original turning. I then
remounted between centres using this new centre mark and cut out a dovetail
recess to suit my chuck Plain sailing after that. You need very sharp
tools and it does not produce shavings, it makes a fine dust. Easy to
work tho' and takes a beautiful finish.

Tom
"John" wrote in message
...
In message , John
writes
We all know Mac loves his Lignum Vitae, but does anyone know of sources
within the UK?

I have found a one, but they have only small pieces of branch 6 inch x 2
inch. The other option being redundant crown green bowls, but they again
are limited in size

Well, I have been lucky to pick up a couple of Crown Green Bowls, made of
Lignum Vitae, so now its a case of turning this round object into another
round object, well after I figure out how to hold them.

There appears to be three holes in one side, probably for a chuck of some
type, as they do not seem deep enough to take screws (about 1/4 inch).
There is also an insert which is about 1 inch diameter on both sides. I am
currently thinking of holding the bowl by the three holes, and then
converting the insert recess on the other side to a dovetail. Has anyone
tried this before? IS there a better way of holding them?
--
John

Tom Dougall wrote:
: I made a couple of very nice bowls (one of them lidded) form crown green
: bowls.

What is a crown green bowl?


-- Andy Barss

In message , Andrew Barss
writes
Tom Dougall wrote:
: I made a couple of very nice bowls (one of them lidded) form crown green
: bowls.

What is a crown green bowl?


A good staring point

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowls

--
John

I suggest the foot that was held by three screws and a face plate was
cut down and sawed off. The bowl reversed and the foot turned down and
perhaps recessed.

To remount the bowl if that is what you want to do - take several sheets
of note book paper or printer (laser).. and glue a block on the foot
with the paper between. If there is a recessed foot - not enough surface...

Put the bowl in a chuck bowl towards the head with a chuck or a friction
chuck.

Cut the foot off and go back and glue paper between the flat foot and a
mounting block. The trick will be to center the bowl on the faceplate
or in a 4 jaw with the new block added.

To get the block off - a skew will part between the paper easily.
Finish as wanted.....foot or no foot -

Martin

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NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder
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John wrote:
In message , John
writes
We all know Mac loves his Lignum Vitae, but does anyone know of
sources within the UK?

I have found a one, but they have only small pieces of branch 6 inch x
2 inch. The other option being redundant crown green bowls, but they
again are limited in size

Well, I have been lucky to pick up a couple of Crown Green Bowls, made
of Lignum Vitae, so now its a case of turning this round object into
another round object, well after I figure out how to hold them.

There appears to be three holes in one side, probably for a chuck of
some type, as they do not seem deep enough to take screws (about 1/4
inch). There is also an insert which is about 1 inch diameter on both
sides. I am currently thinking of holding the bowl by the three holes,
and then converting the insert recess on the other side to a dovetail.
Has anyone tried this before? IS there a better way of holding them?


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This is the 'other' English - for lawn bowling.

Not something for nuts in winter or chips in the summer.

Martin
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John wrote:
In message , Andrew Barss
writes
Tom Dougall wrote:
: I made a couple of very nice bowls (one of them lidded) form crown
green
: bowls.

What is a crown green bowl?


A good staring point

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowls



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In article ,
John wrote:

In message , John
writes
We all know Mac loves his Lignum Vitae, but does anyone know of sources
within the UK?

I have found a one, but they have only small pieces of branch 6 inch x
2 inch. The other option being redundant crown green bowls, but they
again are limited in size

Well, I have been lucky to pick up a couple of Crown Green Bowls, made
of Lignum Vitae, so now its a case of turning this round object into
another round object, well after I figure out how to hold them.

There appears to be three holes in one side, probably for a chuck of
some type, as they do not seem deep enough to take screws (about 1/4
inch). There is also an insert which is about 1 inch diameter on both
sides. I am currently thinking of holding the bowl by the three holes,
and then converting the insert recess on the other side to a dovetail.
Has anyone tried this before? IS there a better way of holding them?

Friction chucks?

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The only stockist I found via Google was Moss & Co (Hammersmith) Ltd.I have
no idea what they actually have in stock., or at what price.


"John" wrote in message
...
We all know Mac loves his Lignum Vitae, but does anyone know of sources
within the UK?

I have found a one, but they have only small pieces of branch 6 inch x 2
inch. The other option being redundant crown green bowls, but they again
are limited in size
--
John

"John" wrote in message
...
We all know Mac loves his Lignum Vitae, but does anyone know of sources
within the UK?

I have found a one, but they have only small pieces of branch 6 inch x 2
inch. The other option being redundant crown green bowls, but they again
are limited in size
--
John

Have you tried Yandles of Martock?

http://www.yandles.co.uk/acatalog/Li...__Mexico_.html

Charlie

In message , John
writes
In message , John
writes
We all know Mac loves his Lignum Vitae, but does anyone know of
sources within the UK?

I have found a one, but they have only small pieces of branch 6 inch x
2 inch. The other option being redundant crown green bowls, but they
again are limited in size

Well, I have been lucky to pick up a couple of Crown Green Bowls, made
of Lignum Vitae, so now its a case of turning this round object into
another round object, well after I figure out how to hold them.

There appears to be three holes in one side, probably for a chuck of
some type, as they do not seem deep enough to take screws (about 1/4
inch). There is also an insert which is about 1 inch diameter on both
sides. I am currently thinking of holding the bowl by the three holes,
and then converting the insert recess on the other side to a dovetail.
Has anyone tried this before? IS there a better way of holding them?

Well I finally got to turn the Lignum.

This time I found that I just drilled out the centre, of one of the
recesses, an inserted a pin chuck to hold it while I turned a dovetail
on the other side.

Now the for post-mortem on turning Lignum Vitae

1, make the dovetail deep if your going to use one. As Lignum is so
hard, it doesn't compress like most other woods so your grip appears to
be less . With my shallow dovetail, I found on 3 occasions I had to pick
the piece up from the floor.

2, When turning, gouges were out, and scrapers were little better. I
found I was using the corner of the parting tool as a cutter, bit like
on a metal lathe. ( Maybe I should have moved the wood to the metal
lathe and worked there )

3, There was a three- way crack in the centre of the old bowling wood,
which I found then hollowing, and they just happened to radiate to the
outside. Part of the reason the scraper was out as it would catch and
provide enough leverage to tear the turning from the chuck. After
experiments with even the lightest touch of the scraper, it could still
provide enough of a catch, I put this down to the area of scraper
leading edge contacting the crack in one go, the parting tool was taking
only a few 100ths at a time, at a small contact point so less forces
involved.

4. There was a lovely aroma from the wood, smelling almost like Dark
Brown Sugar, or Molasses.

5, The surface felt oily to the touch,

6. In all a nice wood to turn, all I need now is for better planning
before I use the second bowl. Maybe this time I will halve it and make
two shallow dishes from it, who knows

--
John

In message , Charlie
writes

"John" wrote in message
...
We all know Mac loves his Lignum Vitae, but does anyone know of sources
within the UK?

I have found a one, but they have only small pieces of branch 6 inch x 2
inch. The other option being redundant crown green bowls, but they again
are limited in size
--
John

Have you tried Yandles of Martock?

http://www.yandles.co.uk/acatalog/Li...Officinale__Me
xico_.html

Charlie


Hi Charlie

I spoke with them last week, and they actually had 2 pieces in stock.
One was 9 inches long by 7 inches diameter, with pith the other slightly
larger. The pricing was about twice that I would pay for 2 used bowling
balls, but then again its slightly bigger as a single piece
--
John

On Jun 3, 1:23*am, John wrote:
We all know Mac loves his Lignum Vitae, but does anyone know of sources
within the UK?

I have found a one, but they have only small pieces of branch 6 inch x 2
inch. The other option being redundant crown green bowls, but they again
are limited in size
--
John

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