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Memory Stick (maybe OT)
OK - first let's establish that I am a technophobic middle aged mum who
knows not a lot about computer hardware......my daughter has come home from school and requested the purchase of a memory stick to make life easy transfering info from our home PC to school and vice-versa for projects. She also tells me that I would find one useful for backing up our harddrive instead of worrying myself to death that one day I'm going to lose all my info from our computer. So can any kind person please tell me what I should be looking for, how much it is likely to cost and where I can get one from (preferably online). Many many thanks in advance for any help you can offer - and apologies for cross posting and maybe using the wrong newsgroups... Lynette |
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I think the memory stick she is referring to is most likely a USB drive
which plugs into a USB socket and acts as an additional drive. Do a google and you'll find tons of suppliers. To back up your stuff you're better off burning to CD or DVD. |
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LynLyn wrote:
OK - first let's establish that I am a technophobic middle aged mum who knows not a lot about computer hardware......my daughter has come home from school and requested the purchase of a memory stick to make life easy transfering info from our home PC to school and vice-versa for projects. She also tells me that I would find one useful for backing up our harddrive instead of worrying myself to death that one day I'm going to lose all my info from our computer. So can any kind person please tell me what I should be looking for, how much it is likely to cost and where I can get one from (preferably online). Many many thanks in advance for any help you can offer - and apologies for cross posting and maybe using the wrong newsgroups... Lynette She's not winding you up!! There is quite a range of size an price. Maplin might be a good place to look, or CPC. Both have on line catalogues but you need an account for CPC, but this is easy to set up. Sizes range from 32Mb to 1Gb. I've just ordered another 128Mb from CPC for £20 or so. (Whether this is the best price I don't know, I was ordering other stuff too) It's quite a reasonable size. I keep most of my data for work on one this size and carry it home. It is much lighter than a laptop! http://custom1.farnell.com/cpc/ http://www.maplin.co.uk Andrew |
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In article . com,
StealthUK wrote: I think the memory stick she is referring to is most likely a USB drive which plugs into a USB socket and acts as an additional drive. Do a google and you'll find tons of suppliers. To back up your stuff you're better off burning to CD or DVD. Or simply fit a second HD, and have it done automatically from time to time. -- *What was the best thing before sliced bread? * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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So can any kind person please tell me what I should be looking for, how much it is likely to cost and where I can get one from (preferably online). Many many thanks in advance for any help you can offer - and apologies for cross posting and maybe using the wrong newsgroups... Lynette Ebuyer have them, your local computer fair will be selling them at a very low cost. You wont be able to back up a hard drive with one, the biggest ones are around 512MB. What you can do is back up your data files with one. I paid approx £14 for my 128MB one and the price of those has now come down to around £10. Micro Mart is out tomorrow at W H Smiths etc and most advertisers in there will have them. HTH Dave -- For what we are about to balls up may common sense prevent us doing it again in the future!! |
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Just to add - the normal term is USB pen drive, NOT memory stick. When
people talk of memory sticks it normally means the Sony style memory cards to me which I doubt your daughter is after. |
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or they are also called USB flash drives...just had to add that before
someone else corrected me. |
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LynLyn wrote:
OK - first let's establish that I am a technophobic middle aged mum who knows not a lot about computer hardware......my daughter has come home from school and requested the purchase of a memory stick to make life easy transfering info from our home PC to school and vice-versa for projects. She also tells me that I would find one useful for backing up our harddrive instead of worrying myself to death that one day I'm going to lose all my info from our computer. So can any kind person please tell me what I should be looking for, how much it is likely to cost and where I can get one from (preferably online). Many many thanks in advance for any help you can offer - and apologies for cross posting and maybe using the wrong newsgroups... Lynette Hello, I think your daughter has a good point. I would get one and back up all the useful stuff you need, stuff like your personal data (basically everything in your my documents folder - word docs and excel spreadsheets etc), stuff that you wouldn't want to lose. I wouldn't suggest you use it to back up all your programs etc., there are better ways of doing this. Have a look at how much data you want to backup and then at least double i (or treble it) and get the next size memory stick up from that. Have a look on somewhere like amazon or dabs, they are fairly reasonably price on there. Mike |
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LynLyn leaveme.alone@spammfree wrote:
OK - first let's establish that I am a technophobic middle aged mum who knows not a lot about computer hardware......my daughter has come home from school and requested the purchase of a memory stick to make life easy transfering info from our home PC to school and vice-versa for projects. First, 'memory stick' is a (sony?) trademark, that is a type of removable memory that is used by sony (and other products). It tends to be more expensive for the capacity, though it can be plugged into a PC through an inexpensive adaptor. An example of what you're probably looking for can be found by going to http://www.ebuyer.com/ On the menu bar at the left of the page, near the top, click "flash memory" Now "USB Flash drives". "Show all in this subcategory" (at the top), Many of the products shown will have free shipping. Depending on what she's doing, the first (6 quid, 64MB (MB is a measure of capacity) one may even be adequate. Daughter may also want to store music on it, in which case that size would only fit an album or so on. USB 1.1 is an older design of connector and will write this size of disk in a minute or two. USB 2 can often be several times faster (it can be plugged into the same socket, but the slowest link will determine the speed) You can get devices of this type with up to 1000MB (1GB) of storage, for around 50 quid. Alternatively, electronics - portable audio/mp3 These are 'mp3 players', and will play/store music. Many of these will also store data. Generally anything with 'iPod' on it is very desirable, and also very expensive. Something like order code 81583 (Ebuyer 256MB MP3 player) is much, much cheaper, this one at 30 quid, which will work to store music on. Or 78183, which comes with FM radio, twice the memory, and voice recording for about 50 quid. (as an example of iPod pricing, the iPod Shuffle (no voice/FM/display) is 16 quid more) Hope this helps. |
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LynLyn leaveme.alone@spammfree wrote:
OK - first let's establish that I am a technophobic middle aged mum who knows not a lot about computer hardware......my daughter has come home from school and requested the purchase of a memory stick to make life easy transfering info from our home PC to school and vice-versa for projects. First, 'memory stick' is a (sony?) trademark, that is a type of removable memory that is used by sony (and other products). It tends to be more expensive for the capacity, though it can be plugged into a PC through an inexpensive adaptor. An example of what you're probably looking for can be found by going to http://www.ebuyer.com/ On the menu bar at the left of the page, near the top, click "flash memory" Now "USB Flash drives". "Show all in this subcategory" (at the top), Many of the products shown will have free shipping. Depending on what she's doing, the first (6 quid, 64MB (MB is a measure of capacity) one may even be adequate. Daughter may also want to store music on it, in which case that size would only fit an album or so on. USB 1.1 is an older design of connector and will write this size of disk in a minute or two. USB 2 can often be several times faster (it can be plugged into the same socket, but the slowest link will determine the speed) You can get devices of this type with up to 1000MB (1GB) of storage, for around 50 quid. Alternatively, electronics - portable audio/mp3 These are 'mp3 players', and will play/store music. Many of these will also store data. Generally anything with 'iPod' on it is very desirable, and also very expensive. Something like order code 81583 (Ebuyer 256MB MP3 player) is much, much cheaper, this one at 30 quid, which will work to store music on. Or 78183, which comes with FM radio, twice the memory, and voice recording for about 50 quid. (as an example of iPod pricing, the iPod Shuffle (no voice/FM/display) is 16 quid more) Hope this helps. |
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On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:55:23 UTC, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote: In article . com, StealthUK wrote: I think the memory stick she is referring to is most likely a USB drive which plugs into a USB socket and acts as an additional drive. Do a google and you'll find tons of suppliers. To back up your stuff you're better off burning to CD or DVD. Or simply fit a second HD, and have it done automatically from time to time. OK until a power surge or a burglar...! -- Bob Eager begin a new life...dump Windows! |
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In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes In article . com, StealthUK wrote: I think the memory stick she is referring to is most likely a USB drive which plugs into a USB socket and acts as an additional drive. Do a google and you'll find tons of suppliers. To back up your stuff you're better off burning to CD or DVD. Or simply fit a second HD, and have it done automatically from time to time. Second Copy from http://www.centered.com/ is ideal for this. -- dave @ stejonda |
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LynLyn wrote:
school and requested the purchase of a memory stick to make life easy transfering info from our home PC to school and vice-versa for projects. She also tells me that I would find one useful for backing up our harddrive instead of worrying myself to death that one day I'm going to lose all my info from our computer. So can any kind person please tell me what I should be looking for, how much it is likely to cost and where I can get one from (preferably online). http://www.crucial.com/uk/store/list...drives+storage I would recomend the smaller ones. They do wear out and can be damaged b poor handlng (in particular unplugging the thing too soon) so 2 small ones are better than one 512MB. -- David Clark $message_body_include ="PLES RING IF AN RNSR IS REQIRD" |
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In message , Andrew Chesters
wrote She's not winding you up!! There is quite a range of size an price. Maplin might be a good place to look, or CPC. Both have on line catalogues but you need an account for CPC, I've just ordered another 128Mb from CPC for £20 or so. CPC have two payment methods. If you pay by card at the time of ordering you don't need an account with CPC. However both Maplin and CPC appear to be expensive for flash drives (UBS). I've recently purchased a 128M device for £8.50 (incl. p&p) from ebuyer. (Whether this is the best price I don't know, A few months back it would have been a good price. I've seen 1G flash drives for around £50. One thing the OP should note that kids passing data at school is a good way to get a virus. A virus checker that is constantly kept up-to-date (perhaps daily) would be a good idea. -- Alan |
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Mike Hibbert wrote:
LynLyn wrote: OK - first let's establish that I am a technophobic middle aged mum who knows not a lot about computer hardware......my daughter has come home from school and requested the purchase of a memory stick to make life easy transfering info from our home PC to school and vice-versa for projects. She also tells me that I would find one useful for backing up our harddrive instead of worrying myself to death that one day I'm going to lose all my info from our computer. So can any kind person please tell me what I should be looking for, how much it is likely to cost and where I can get one from (preferably online). Many many thanks in advance for any help you can offer - and apologies for cross posting and maybe using the wrong newsgroups... Lynette Hello, I think your daughter has a good point. I would get one and back up all the useful stuff you need, stuff like your personal data (basically everything in your my documents folder - word docs and excel spreadsheets etc), stuff that you wouldn't want to lose. I wouldn't suggest you use it to back up all your programs etc., there are better ways of doing this. Have a look at how much data you want to backup and then at least double i (or treble it) and get the next size memory stick up from that. Have a look on somewhere like amazon or dabs, they are fairly reasonably price on there. Mike DO NOT use a USB memory stick as a backup device. Why not? Well, you can lose it, damage it, corrupt it. CD or DVD is the best option for most home users at the moment. As a convenient way of transporting data, then yes, USB memory sticks are brilliant. Biggles Remove packing to e-mail me |
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Ian Stirling wrote:
First, 'memory stick' is a (sony?) trademark, that is a type of removable memory that is used by sony (and other products). That's as may be, but that doesn't prevent the term being used colloquially to refer to any type of solid state memory device which is sort of stick shaped (or not, it's a free country). I work at an educational establishment where these things are in widespread use and most non-techies refer to them as memory sticks. Probably explains why the term is not used much in advertising for non-Sony products though :-) Biggles |
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"Biggles" wrote in message ... .... DO NOT use a USB memory stick as a backup device. Why not? Well, you can lose it, damage it, corrupt it. CD or DVD is the best option for most home users at the moment. They do, however, have the advantage that you can wear them around your neck in bed at night, which at least one writer uses as a safeguard against losing her current work in case of theft or fire. Colin Bignell |
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In article ,
Dave Stanton wrote: ...the biggest ones are around 512MB. 1 Gig models are easy to pick up now and 2GB ones are almost he http://www.mobilemag.com/content/100/333/C3647/ for example. Granted, still not a lot of use to back up a whole HD these days... Darren |
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Biggles wrote: Ian Stirling wrote: First, 'memory stick' is a (sony?) trademark, that is a type of removable memory that is used by sony (and other products). That's as may be, but that doesn't prevent the term being used colloquially to refer to any type of solid state memory device which is sort of stick shaped (or not, it's a free country). I work at an educational establishment where these things are in widespread use and most non-techies refer to them as memory sticks. Probably explains why the term is not used much in advertising for non-Sony products though :-) Biggles A bit like referring to any old vacuum cleaner as a Hoover. MBQ |
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StealthUK wrote:
Just to add - the normal term is USB pen drive, NOT memory stick. When people talk of memory sticks it normally means the Sony style memory cards to me which I doubt your daughter is after. Nah... 'USB Memory Stick' is a far more common term, as reflected by a Google search: 'USB Pen Drive': ~2.36 million pages 'USB Memory Stick': ~5.96 million pages |
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Mathew J. Newton wrote:
StealthUK wrote: Just to add - the normal term is USB pen drive, NOT memory stick. When people talk of memory sticks it normally means the Sony style memory cards to me which I doubt your daughter is after. Nah... 'USB Memory Stick' is a far more common term, as reflected by a Google search: 'USB Pen Drive': ~2.36 million pages 'USB Memory Stick': ~5.96 million pages Ahhh... but if you actually took the time to look at the results you would see that 4.93 million pages (or there abouts ;-)) for 'USB Memory Stick' actually refer to USB connected memory stick readers, for Sony Memory Sticks. cheers David |
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LynLyn wrote:
She also tells me that I would find one useful for backing up our harddrive instead of worrying myself to death that one day I'm going to lose all my info from our computer. As others have said, your needs for backing up your PC are different from your daughters requirements in a memory stick... Regarding backing up, I skimmed over a 'Doors' article in last Saturday's Times, intending to revisit before the paper got chucked out (oops), concerning an online system which apparently backs up your data to secure online storage, virtually as you type, which sounds fantastic. Can't find any mention of it at thetimes.co.uk unfortunately: does anybody have a link to it? David |
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"dmc" wrote in message ... In article , Dave Stanton wrote: ...the biggest ones are around 512MB. 1 Gig models are easy to pick up now and 2GB ones are almost he Almost here? I've had one for months. Granted, still not a lot of use to back up a whole HD these days... Very useful for transferring videos from my home machine, which has the editing software, to work, where the video can be incorporated into my quality system technical file. For backup at home I have a 300Gb external hard drive. Colin Bignell |
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"Paul Mc Cann" wrote in message .. . .... Forget memory sticks at al. Get a CF card, now up to 5gb (yes Gigabyte, we're talking reals mans storage here) in certain guises, or an SD card. You will need a card reader with it. That way when you get that new multi megapixel camera you can use the same memory cards. OTOH, having a USB drive hanging around your neck is probably the latest fashion accessory at school. Colin Bignell |
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I wouldn't want my personal data floating over the internet!
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David M wrote: Mathew J. Newton wrote: StealthUK wrote: Just to add - the normal term is USB pen drive, NOT memory stick. When people talk of memory sticks it normally means the Sony style memory cards to me which I doubt your daughter is after. Nah... 'USB Memory Stick' is a far more common term, as reflected by a Google search: 'USB Pen Drive': ~2.36 million pages 'USB Memory Stick': ~5.96 million pages Ahhh... but if you actually took the time to look at the results you would see that 4.93 million pages (or there abouts ;-)) for 'USB Memory Stick' actually refer to USB connected memory stick readers, for Sony Memory Sticks. cheers David I remain unconvinced.. :-) |
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from Lobster contains these words: Regarding backing up, I skimmed over a 'Doors' article in last Saturday's Times, intending to revisit before the paper got chucked out (oops), concerning an online system which apparently backs up your data to secure online storage, virtually as you type, which sounds fantastic. Can't find any mention of it at thetimes.co.uk unfortunately: does anybody have a link to it? No idea but that sounds suspiciously like the Micro**** plan for total internet dominance that has all software as well as all files at a distant location with only the means of access on the local computer. -- Roger |
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On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:28:54 -0800, StealthUK wrote:
I wouldn't want my personal data floating over the internet! Especially if MS has any control over it. Dave -- For what we are about to balls up may common sense prevent us doing it again in the future!! |
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"StealthUK" wrote in message oups.com... I wouldn't want my personal data floating over the internet! The services I've seen offering this use a direct dialled phone connection. Being designed for business use, they are not cheap. Colin Bignell |
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Roger wrote:
The message from Lobster contains these words: Regarding backing up, I skimmed over a 'Doors' article in last Saturday's Times, intending to revisit before the paper got chucked out (oops), concerning an online system which apparently backs up your data to secure online storage, virtually as you type, which sounds fantastic. Can't find any mention of it at thetimes.co.uk unfortunately: does anybody have a link to it? No idea but that sounds suspiciously like the Micro**** plan for total internet dominance that has all software as well as all files at a distant location with only the means of access on the local computer. It does a bit doesn't it; however this definitely wasn't MS, and it was certainly a backup system. There are other online back systems I know of, like www.simplysafebackup.com, but the one in Saturday's paper AFAIR keeps backing up the whole time, rather than on demand or to a predetermined schedule. David |
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StealthUK wrote:
I wouldn't want my personal data floating over the internet! I assume it's encrypted (but that's one reason I'd like more details of the system!) I know that the the other similar system I know of, but haven't tested out (www.simplysafebackup.com) has up to 512-bit encryption. (And unless you're into industrial espionage or something, is anyone really going to go to the bother of cracking your personal data?) David |
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In message , Lobster
writes Roger wrote: The message from Lobster contains these words: Regarding backing up, I skimmed over a 'Doors' article in last Saturday's Times, intending to revisit before the paper got chucked out (oops), concerning an online system which apparently backs up your data to secure online storage, virtually as you type, which sounds fantastic. Can't find any mention of it at thetimes.co.uk unfortunately: does anybody have a link to it? There are other online back systems I know of, like www.simplysafebackup.com, but the one in Saturday's paper AFAIR keeps backing up the whole time, rather than on demand or to a predetermined schedule. Timesonline's search facility isn't brilliant but I think this is what you saw: http://tinyurl.com/4lv2v - an article by David Hewison about http://www.datadepositbox.com/ -- dave @ stejonda |
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In message , Biggles
writes Mike Hibbert wrote: LynLyn wrote: OK - first let's establish that I am a technophobic middle aged mum who knows not a lot about computer hardware......my daughter has come home from school and requested the purchase of a memory stick to make life easy transfering info from our home PC to school and vice-versa for projects. She also tells me that I would find one useful for backing up our harddrive instead of worrying myself to death that one day I'm going to lose all my info from our computer. So can any kind person please tell me what I should be looking for, how much it is likely to cost and where I can get one from (preferably online). Many many thanks in advance for any help you can offer - and apologies for cross posting and maybe using the wrong newsgroups... Lynette Hello, I think your daughter has a good point. I would get one and back up all the useful stuff you need, stuff like your personal data (basically everything in your my documents folder - word docs and excel spreadsheets etc), stuff that you wouldn't want to lose. I wouldn't suggest you use it to back up all your programs etc., there are better ways of doing this. Have a look at how much data you want to backup and then at least double i (or treble it) and get the next size memory stick up from that. Have a look on somewhere like amazon or dabs, they are fairly reasonably price on there. Mike DO NOT use a USB memory stick as a backup device. Why not? Well, you can lose it, damage it, corrupt it. I had one die on me a couple of months ago - I could read from it but not write to it. It contained a backup of my company database, payroll and banking information. (I always back up to TWO pen drives having anticipated the possibility of this sort of occurrence) I had one hell of a job getting CPC to send me another without sending the original back, containing sensitive data So, whatever medium you store information on, just think what you would do if it failed under warranty and you wanted it replaced -- geoff |
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In message , Paul Mc Cann
writes CPC (see FAQs) do a 512meg USB memory stick for about £50 You can probably find them a bit cheaper elsewhere, but that's what I use for backing up my company database every day It's no way big enough for backing up a hard drive, but for transporting data it's the canine gonads Forget memory sticks at al. Get a CF card, now up to 5gb (yes Gigabyte, we're talking reals mans storage here) in certain guises, or an SD card. You will need a card reader with it. That way when you get that new multi megapixel camera you can use the same memory cards. No - for several reasons 1/ What does the average person need so much backup memory for ? 5 gigs is a lot 2/ How long before you (or rather I) lose it, carrying it about from home to work? 3/ You can't just plug it into a computer unless you carry a card reader around with you all the time 4/ Err ... -- geoff |
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In article ,
Bob Eager wrote: Or simply fit a second HD, and have it done automatically from time to time. OK until a power surge or a burglar...! Well, a 'power surge' might corrupt the backup while it's happening, but shouldn't affect the original. So just do it again. And you can get removable drives - or backup to a second machine. But I do backup 'essential' files to CD as well. -- *The e-mail of the species is more deadly than the mail * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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dave @ stejonda wrote:
In message , Lobster writes Roger wrote: The message from Lobster contains these words: Regarding backing up, I skimmed over a 'Doors' article in last Saturday's Times, intending to revisit before the paper got chucked out (oops), concerning an online system which apparently backs up your data to secure online storage, virtually as you type, which sounds fantastic. Can't find any mention of it at thetimes.co.uk unfortunately: does anybody have a link to it? There are other online back systems I know of, like www.simplysafebackup.com, but the one in Saturday's paper AFAIR keeps backing up the whole time, rather than on demand or to a predetermined schedule. Timesonline's search facility isn't brilliant but I think this is what you saw: http://tinyurl.com/4lv2v - an article by David Hewison about http://www.datadepositbox.com/ That's the one, many thanks! Yes DataDepositBox - I think I may take them up on their free 30-day trial. Uses 448-bit ("bank grade") encryption apparently, and normally costs 1 US cent per Mb uploaded David |
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On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 00:26:38 UTC, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote: OK until a power surge or a burglar...! Well, a 'power surge' might corrupt the backup while it's happening, but shouldn't affect the original. So just do it again. I was thinking of a destructive one that fried both disks....! -- Bob Eager begin a new life...dump Windows! |
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