On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 00:04:38 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

G&M wrote:


You should not vote Tory as it is not good for you.


Needs must. If there was still a proper Tory party a la Maggie then even
better but anything is better than the current encumbant offshoot of the
Trotskyites.


Odd. I find that Bliar and teh Venoumous Bitch are completely similar in
so many many ways.


Cherie?


Both are busy hatcheting the competition and surrounding themselves with
fawning cronies.

Brown will go the way of Tarzan in the end.


What did happen to Tarzan?

..andy

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On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 00:10:20 +0100, "IMM" wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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G&M wrote:

"IMM" wrote in message
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What don't you understand ?

Almost everything.

If you went to a decent uni then you would understand.

How would you know?


..andy

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"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 00:04:38 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

G&M wrote:


You should not vote Tory as it is not good for you.


Needs must. If there was still a proper Tory party a la Maggie then
even
better but anything is better than the current encumbant offshoot of
the
Trotskyites.


Odd. I find that Bliar and teh Venoumous Bitch are completely similar in
so many many ways.


Cherie?


Both are busy hatcheting the competition and surrounding themselves with
fawning cronies.

Brown will go the way of Tarzan in the end.


What did happen to Tarzan?


Ended up running some huge publishing company I think. Somehow I don't
think Gordon B will end up the same way - not unless the owners want to
close it anyway.

Andy Hall wrote:

On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 00:04:38 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:


G&M wrote:



You should not vote Tory as it is not good for you.


Needs must. If there was still a proper Tory party a la Maggie then even
better but anything is better than the current encumbant offshoot of the
Trotskyites.


Odd. I find that Bliar and teh Venoumous Bitch are completely similar in
so many many ways.



Cherie?

Maggie.


Both are busy hatcheting the competition and surrounding themselves with
fawning cronies.

Brown will go the way of Tarzan in the end.



What did happen to Tarzan?


Heart attack and slowed down.
.andy

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On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:03:22 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

Andy Hall wrote:

On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 00:04:38 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:


G&M wrote:



You should not vote Tory as it is not good for you.


Needs must. If there was still a proper Tory party a la Maggie then even
better but anything is better than the current encumbant offshoot of the
Trotskyites.


Odd. I find that Bliar and teh Venoumous Bitch are completely similar in
so many many ways.



Cherie?

Maggie.

Always seemed OK to me.




Both are busy hatcheting the competition and surrounding themselves with
fawning cronies.

Brown will go the way of Tarzan in the end.



What did happen to Tarzan?


Heart attack and slowed down.

Did Brown ever speed up?


..andy

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"G&M" wrote in message
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"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 00:04:38 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

G&M wrote:


You should not vote Tory as it is not good for you.


Needs must. If there was still a proper Tory party a la Maggie then
even
better but anything is better than the current encumbant offshoot of
the
Trotskyites.


Odd. I find that Bliar and teh Venoumous Bitch are completely similar
in
so many many ways.

Cherie?

Both are busy hatcheting the competition and surrounding themselves
with
fawning cronies.

Brown will go the way of Tarzan in the end.


What did happen to Tarzan?


Ended up running some huge publishing company I think. Somehow I don't
think Gordon B will end up the same way - not unless the owners want to
close it anyway.

It is amazing brainwashed people can be. Since 1997 the economy is stronger
at any time in history, with the UK economy being one of the world's best.
The pound is almighty high. Unemployment is right down and cardboard cities
have gone, anti-social law are being implemented improving our quality of
life.

What world are these fools in? A lifetime of brainwashing? Most certainly..

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:03:22 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

Andy Hall wrote:

On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 00:04:38 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:


G&M wrote:



You should not vote Tory as it is not good for you.


Needs must. If there was still a proper Tory party a la Maggie then
even
better but anything is better than the current encumbant offshoot of
the
Trotskyites.


Odd. I find that Bliar and teh Venoumous Bitch are completely similar
in
so many many ways.

Cherie?

Maggie.

Always seemed OK to me.

What world were you in, in the 1980s? Obviously full of fairies

On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:21:09 +0100, "IMM" wrote:




What world were you in, in the 1980s? Obviously full of fairies


Worked pretty well....


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In article , G&M wrote:
What did happen to Tarzan?

Ended up running some huge publishing company I think.

But having made his fortune building it before entering politics

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/727824.stm

Unlike Maggie and John Major he couldn't claim to have had a humble
upbringing but is pretty much self-made and is one of the few
Conservatives I do admire.

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Nope. Creative is paramount.

I'm less than su take Concorde and the 747: one was ground
breaking technological advance, one a 707 scaled up. One cost a
fortune, one made a fortune. Arguably where you really need to excel
is in being able to turn other people's exotica into cheap mass
producible goods that everyone will buy.

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In article , G&M wrote:
Nope. Creative is paramount.

I'm less than su take Concorde and the 747: one was ground
breaking technological advance, one a 707 scaled up. One cost a
fortune, one made a fortune.

Firstly, someone had to be creative in the predecessors to the 747, and what
went before also cost a fortune, namely US bombers, which the 707 came from.
So, the total cost of the development of the airliner is clouded over.
Secondly, the two are not directly comparable, aiming at different markets.
Thridly, much of the R&D of Concorde went into other projects and fields.
As was the case with NASA and the rockets.

Arguably where you really need to excel
is in being able to turn other people's exotica into cheap mass
producible goods that everyone will buy.

Some truth in that. If all R&D was stopped in the world right now, and
attention to implementing existing technology the world would not suffer
that greatly.

We have the ability to have homes that do not require heating systems with
simple technology, grow all the food we need, make engines cleaner and
efficient, etc, etc. It just takes organisation and political will.

In the 1950s the UK had an horrendous problem with slum housing. People were
living in appalling conditions. New homes were ultra basic with no new
technology applied to them, not even insulation. They still had open fires
in them. Yet we were spending billions on V bombers and all the R&D that
went with it, and 100,000s of families were still sharing one toilet. We
would have been better off concentrating on the existing technology we had
and directing all the brains of the country to the housing/town development
fields. If we did we probably would not be in the situation we are in today.

IMM wrote:
In the 1950s the UK had an horrendous problem with slum housing.
People were living in appalling conditions. New homes were ultra
basic with no new technology applied to them, not even insulation.
They still had open fires in them. Yet we were spending billions on V
bombers and all the R&D that went with it, and 100,000s of families
were still sharing one toilet.

Hold on a minute - I wasn't around in the 50's. Do you seriously expect
me to believe that 100,000s of families, which would be half a million
people, had to share one toilet? What must the queues have been like?

We would have been better off concentrating on the existing technology we
had and directing all the brains of the country to the housing/town
development fields.

Quite frankly, I'm glad they didn't do even more town planning and
development in the 1950s and 1960s. There would be even more concrete to
demolish.

Christian.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote
| Dont orget te pesrians and o course teh Africans. Where did IMM
| first come down from the trees?

Didn't he emerge into the daylight, blinking and mole-like, from a coal-hole
in Stoney Stratford?

Owain

"Neil Jones" wrote in message
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IMM wrote:
In the 1950s the UK had an horrendous problem with slum housing.
People were living in appalling conditions. New homes were ultra
basic with no new technology applied to them, not even insulation.
They still had open fires in them. Yet we were spending billions on V
bombers and all the R&D that went with it, and 100,000s of families
were still sharing one toilet.

Hold on a minute - I wasn't around in the 50's. Do you seriously expect
me to believe that 100,000s of families, which would be half a million
people, had to share one toilet?

Yep. The sitiuation still existed until the mid to late 60s.

What must the queues have been like?

Long.

"Christian McArdle" wrote in message
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We would have been better off concentrating on the existing technology
we
had and directing all the brains of the country to the housing/town
development fields.

Quite frankly, I'm glad they didn't do even more town planning and
development in the 1950s and 1960s. There would be even more concrete to
demolish.

If the best brains in the country were in that field matters would have been
better. Well in theory anyhow.

"Neil Jones" wrote
| IMM wrote:
| In the 1950s the UK had an horrendous problem with slum housing.
| People were living in appalling conditions. New homes were ultra
| basic with no new technology applied to them, not even insulation.
| They still had open fires in them. Yet we were spending billions on V
| bombers and all the R&D that went with it, and 100,000s of families
| were still sharing one toilet.
| Hold on a minute - I wasn't around in the 50's. Do you seriously expect
| me to believe that 100,000s of families, which would be half a million
| people, had to share one toilet? What must the queues have been like?

And imagine the arguments over whose turn it was to buy the toilet roll (or
indeed seat up/down).

Owain

"Owain" wrote in message
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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote
| Dont orget te pesrians and o course teh Africans. Where did IMM
| first come down from the trees?

Didn't he emerge into the daylight, blinking and mole-like, from a
coal-hole
in Stoney Stratford?

Where is that? Scotland?

"Owain" wrote in message
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"Neil Jones" wrote
| IMM wrote:
| In the 1950s the UK had an horrendous problem with slum housing.
| People were living in appalling conditions. New homes were ultra
| basic with no new technology applied to them, not even insulation.
| They still had open fires in them. Yet we were spending billions on V
| bombers and all the R&D that went with it, and 100,000s of families
| were still sharing one toilet.
| Hold on a minute - I wasn't around in the 50's. Do you seriously expect
| me to believe that 100,000s of families, which would be half a million
| people, had to share one toilet? What must the queues have been like?

And imagine the arguments over whose turn it was to buy the toilet roll
(or
indeed seat up/down).

Toilet roll? We dreamed of toilet "rolls"; ... torn up squares from
copies of t'Echo with piece of string through 'em to hang
from nail in't wall was good enough for us!.
Seat up or down? Seat? Wiv cover? We dreamed of seats with
covers - plank wiv 'ole in't were good enough for us!
Folks nowadays ...

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Brian Sharrock wrote:
"Owain" wrote in message
...
"Neil Jones" wrote
IMM wrote:
In the 1950s the UK had an horrendous problem with slum housing.
People were living in appalling conditions. New homes were ultra
basic with no new technology applied to them, not even insulation.
They still had open fires in them. Yet we were spending billions
on V bombers and all the R&D that went with it, and 100,000s of
families were still sharing one toilet.
Hold on a minute - I wasn't around in the 50's. Do you seriously
expect me to believe that 100,000s of families, which would be half
a million people, had to share one toilet? What must the queues
have been like?

And imagine the arguments over whose turn it was to buy the toilet
roll (or indeed seat up/down).

Toilet roll? We dreamed of toilet "rolls"; ... torn up squares from
copies of t'Echo with piece of string through 'em to hang
from nail in't wall was good enough for us!.
Seat up or down? Seat? Wiv cover? We dreamed of seats with
covers - plank wiv 'ole in't were good enough for us!
Folks nowadays ...

I'm just grateful I never had to share a toilet with half a million
other people.

Never been to Glastonbury then?

"Neil Jones" wrote in message
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Brian Sharrock wrote:
"Owain" wrote in message
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"Neil Jones" wrote
IMM wrote:
In the 1950s the UK had an horrendous problem with slum housing.
People were living in appalling conditions. New homes were ultra
basic with no new technology applied to them, not even insulation.
They still had open fires in them. Yet we were spending billions
on V bombers and all the R&D that went with it, and 100,000s of
families were still sharing one toilet.
Hold on a minute - I wasn't around in the 50's. Do you seriously
expect me to believe that 100,000s of families, which would be half
a million people, had to share one toilet? What must the queues
have been like?

And imagine the arguments over whose turn it was to buy the toilet
roll (or indeed seat up/down).

Toilet roll? We dreamed of toilet "rolls"; ... torn up squares from
copies of t'Echo with piece of string through 'em to hang
from nail in't wall was good enough for us!.
Seat up or down? Seat? Wiv cover? We dreamed of seats with
covers - plank wiv 'ole in't were good enough for us!
Folks nowadays ...

I'm just grateful I never had to share a toilet with half a million
other people.

Jon wrote:
Never been to Glastonbury then?

No, and absolutely no intention to either.

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:21:09 +0100, "IMM" wrote:

What world were you in, in the 1980s?
Obviously full of fairies

Worked pretty well....

It would work well. I read that when people are in a fantasy world, as you
clearly are, it is best to leave them in it, and not awake them to reality.
As long as they are not dangerous, it is best to leave them as they are
happy in there. If reality took hold unhappiness would result.

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 00:10:20 +0100, "IMM" wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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G&M wrote:

"IMM" wrote in message
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What don't you understand ?

Almost everything.

If you went to a decent uni then you would understand.

How would you know?

Do they have uni's in Fairyland?

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:46:22 +0100, "IMM" wrote:


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On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 00:40:47 +0100, "IMM" wrote:


To prevent wars was a major aim, not necessarily curbing
Germany.

The two were synonymous.

No they were not. The French at time have been just as bad in wanting
to
rule everyone.

Not forgetting the British of course,

The British have had no aspirations of controlling Europe.

I was thinking more in terms of the former Empire.

If they did in
the future the EU would curtail any such desires.

Either thought is pretty unlikely.

In 1986 it was unlikely the Soviet empire would disintegrate. It did a few
years later.

and it could perhaps be argued,
the Americans......

Only economically.

and politically.

Not territorially.

On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:35:11 +0100, "IMM" wrote:




In 1986 it was unlikely the Soviet empire would disintegrate. It did a few
years later.

That was apparent from 1917 onwards.


and it could perhaps be argued,
the Americans......

Only economically.

and politically.

Not territorially.




..andy

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Andy Hall wrote:

In 1986 it was unlikely the Soviet empire would disintegrate. It did a few
years later.


That was apparent from 1917 onwards.

One of the inevitable effects of socialism....

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IMM wrote:


What world were you in, in the 1980s?
Obviously full of fairies


Worked pretty well....


It would work well. I read that when people are in a fantasy world, as you
clearly are, it is best to leave them in it, and not awake them to reality.
As long as they are not dangerous, it is best to leave them as they are
happy in there. If reality took hold unhappiness would result.

Tell you what, you stop trying to make us unhappy, and we will do the
same for you.

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"Owain" wrote in message
...
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote
| Dont orget te pesrians and o course teh Africans. Where did IMM
| first come down from the trees?

Didn't he emerge into the daylight, blinking and mole-like, from a
coal-hole
in Stoney Stratford?

No - from a hole under Milton Keynes University from where he managed to
nick a degree.

Owain wrote:

"Neil Jones" wrote
| IMM wrote:
| In the 1950s the UK had an horrendous problem with slum housing.
| People were living in appalling conditions. New homes were ultra
| basic with no new technology applied to them, not even insulation.
| They still had open fires in them. Yet we were spending billions on V
| bombers and all the R&D that went with it, and 100,000s of families
| were still sharing one toilet.
| Hold on a minute - I wasn't around in the 50's. Do you seriously expect
| me to believe that 100,000s of families, which would be half a million
| people, had to share one toilet? What must the queues have been like?

And imagine the arguments over whose turn it was to buy the toilet roll (or
indeed seat up/down).

Owain


There were no seats.

You got a bucket, and a splintery plank with a hole in it. Outside in a
draughty box.

Neil Jones wrote:

Brian Sharrock wrote:

"Owain" wrote in message
.. .

"Neil Jones" wrote

IMM wrote:

In the 1950s the UK had an horrendous problem with slum housing.
People were living in appalling conditions. New homes were ultra
basic with no new technology applied to them, not even insulation.
They still had open fires in them. Yet we were spending billions
on V bombers and all the R&D that went with it, and 100,000s of
families were still sharing one toilet.

Hold on a minute - I wasn't around in the 50's. Do you seriously
expect me to believe that 100,000s of families, which would be half
a million people, had to share one toilet? What must the queues
have been like?

And imagine the arguments over whose turn it was to buy the toilet
roll (or indeed seat up/down).


Toilet roll? We dreamed of toilet "rolls"; ... torn up squares from
copies of t'Echo with piece of string through 'em to hang
from nail in't wall was good enough for us!.
Seat up or down? Seat? Wiv cover? We dreamed of seats with
covers - plank wiv 'ole in't were good enough for us!
Folks nowadays ...


I'm just grateful I never had to share a toilet with half a million
other people.

Mmm. I did. Isle of wight festival 198 something.

About the time I saw the fallacy of the 'back to nature' thing.

Using it was bad enough: Using it in the mental condition I was in at
the time was - interesting.

"John Rumm" wrote in message
...
Andy Hall wrote:

In 1986 it was unlikely the Soviet empire would disintegrate. It did a
few
years later.


That was apparent from 1917 onwards.

One of the inevitable effects of socialism....


No it wasn't. The Soviets did not implement communism correctly.

"John Rumm" wrote in message
...
IMM wrote:

What world were you in, in the 1980s?
Obviously full of fairies

Worked pretty well....

It would work well. I read that when people are in a fantasy world, as
you
clearly are, it is best to leave them in it, and not awake them to
reality.
As long as they are not dangerous, it is best to leave them as they are
happy in there. If reality took hold unhappiness would result.

Tell you what, you stop trying to make us unhappy, and we will do the
same for you.

More mentalism. I make everybody happy.

"G&M" wrote in message
...

"Owain" wrote in message
...
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote
| Dont orget te pesrians and o course teh Africans. Where did IMM
| first come down from the trees?

Didn't he emerge into the daylight, blinking and mole-like, from a
coal-hole
in Stoney Stratford?

No - from a hole under Milton Keynes University from where he managed to
nick a degree.

AKAIK, MK does not have a uni, the OU is based there, so is that MK uni?
The nicked Wimbledon FC and now call it Milton Keynes Dons.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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Neil Jones wrote:

Brian Sharrock wrote:

"Owain" wrote in message
.. .

"Neil Jones" wrote

IMM wrote:

In the 1950s the UK had an horrendous problem with slum housing.
People were living in appalling conditions. New homes were ultra
basic with no new technology applied to them, not even insulation.
They still had open fires in them. Yet we were spending billions
on V bombers and all the R&D that went with it, and 100,000s of
families were still sharing one toilet.

Hold on a minute - I wasn't around in the 50's. Do you seriously
expect me to believe that 100,000s of families, which would be half
a million people, had to share one toilet? What must the queues
have been like?

And imagine the arguments over whose turn it was to buy the toilet
roll (or indeed seat up/down).


Toilet roll? We dreamed of toilet "rolls"; ... torn up squares from
copies of t'Echo with piece of string through 'em to hang
from nail in't wall was good enough for us!.
Seat up or down? Seat? Wiv cover? We dreamed of seats with
covers - plank wiv 'ole in't were good enough for us!
Folks nowadays ...


I'm just grateful I never had to share a toilet with half a million
other people.

Mmm. I did. Isle of wight festival 198 something.

About the time I saw the fallacy of the 'back to nature' thing.

Using it was bad enough: Using it in the mental condition I was in at
the time was - interesting.

At the time? It is still with you.

"Brian Sharrock" wrote
| | Hold on a minute - I wasn't around in the 50's. Do you
| | seriously expect me to believe that 100,000s of families,
| | which would be half a million people, had to share one
| | toilet? What must the queues have been like?
| And imagine the arguments over whose turn it was to buy
| the toilet roll (or indeed seat up/down).
| Toilet roll? We dreamed of toilet "rolls"; ... torn up squares
| from copies of t'Echo with piece of string through 'em to hang
| from nail in't wall was good enough for us!.

t'Echo? Thee 'ad t'Echo? Ee, we dreamed of 'avin' t'Echo. We used to
scrounge betting slips out the bins behind the bookies, used to wipe us
arses on tax paid accumulators and was grateful.

| Seat up or down? Seat? Wiv cover? We dreamed of seats with
| covers - plank wiv 'ole in't were good enough for us!

Plank? Thee 'ad a plank? Ee, we dreamed of 'avin' a plank. Two ropes tied
atween two trees and a good sense of balance we had.

| Folks nowadays ...

Wuddunt ken they was born if ya skelped them roond the lug wi a battered
haddock.

Owain

On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 19:27:29 +0100, "IMM" wrote:


"John Rumm" wrote in message
...
Andy Hall wrote:

In 1986 it was unlikely the Soviet empire would disintegrate. It did a
few
years later.


That was apparent from 1917 onwards.

One of the inevitable effects of socialism....


No it wasn't. The Soviets did not implement communism correctly.

It isn't possible to implement communism correctly.


..andy

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"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:35:11 +0100, "IMM" wrote:

In 1986 it was unlikely the Soviet empire would disintegrate. It did a
few
years later.

That was apparent from 1917 onwards.

Not in 1945 is wasn't. The Soviets won the war. The Red Army, once equipped
correctly, rolled and Germany fell under relatively easy. The swoop into
Manchuria in 1945 was one of the biggest advances in modern history. The
Soviets just waltzed through the whole place crushing the Japs beneath them.
The reason for dropping the A bomb was that the Soviets were on the march
and they didn't want them in Japan or right into south east Asia. The
reached Korea and opposite shores of Japan very easily.

The bombing of Dresden was also another ploy to stop the Soviets. They
marched into Dresden and saw the power of Allied air power. This was to say,
don't mess with us. They stopped not far from the North Sea.

We owe them a lot.

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 19:27:29 +0100, "IMM" wrote:


"John Rumm" wrote in message
...
Andy Hall wrote:

In 1986 it was unlikely the Soviet empire would disintegrate. It did
a
few
years later.


That was apparent from 1917 onwards.

One of the inevitable effects of socialism....

No it wasn't. The Soviets did not implement communism correctly.

It isn't possible to implement communism correctly.

More mentalism.

In message , The Natural
Philosopher writes
G&M wrote:
Don't be silly. The UK did lead the world at one point. But so
did the
Greeks, Egyptians and now the Yanks. Chinese are next.


Dont orget te pesrians and o course teh Africans. Where did IMM first
come down from the trees?


(Pictures DIMM swinging from one)

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