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.... is barely mentioned (-17°C)
Now if it had been the warmest... -- The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools. Herbert Spencer |
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On 09/02/2021 12:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
... is barely mentioned (-17°C) Now if it had been the warmest... global cooling due to no air travel less car usage etc |
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On 09/02/2021 12:31, Chris Hogg wrote:
La Niña el camino |
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On 09/02/2021 12:13, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Tue, 9 Feb 2021 12:03:30 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: ... is barely mentioned (-17°C) Now if it had been the warmest... Quite. IIRC a few weeks ago we both predicted it was going to be cold... Can occur when there is a La Nina event in the pacific, which started late last year. |
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On 09/02/2021 12:18, Jimmy Stewart ... wrote:
On 09/02/2021 12:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote: ... is barely mentioned (-17°C) Now if it had been the warmest... global cooling due to no air travel less car usage etc Fire up that Mustang and get driving Jim. |
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On 09/02/2021 12:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
... is barely mentioned (-17°C) Now if it had been the warmest... It's always cold in the Scottish Highlands !! https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather...ate=2021-02-09 |
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On 09/02/2021 12:49, Andrew wrote:
On 09/02/2021 12:18, Jimmy Stewart ... wrote: On 09/02/2021 12:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote: ... is barely mentioned (-17°C) Now if it had been the warmest... global cooling due to no air travel less car usage etc Fire up that Mustang and get driving Jim. yea baby |
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On 09/02/2021 12:53, Andrew wrote:
On 09/02/2021 12:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote: ... is barely mentioned (-17°C) Now if it had been the warmest... It's always cold in the Scottish Highlands !! https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather...ate=2021-02-09 so tiz |
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On Tue, 09 Feb 2021 12:31:31 +0000, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Tue, 9 Feb 2021 12:18:31 +0000, "Jimmy Stewart ..." wrote: On 09/02/2021 12:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote: ... is barely mentioned (-17°C) Now if it had been the warmest... global cooling due to no air travel less car usage etc Nah! La Niña. I don't do foreign names. |
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On 09/02/2021 12:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
... is barely mentioned (-17°C) Now if it had been the warmest... -17? Almost tropical... https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/polar-vortex-prairies-record-low-temperatures-1.59052380 -- Jeff |
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On Tue, 09 Feb 2021 12:53:13 +0000, Andrew wrote:
On 09/02/2021 12:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote: ... is barely mentioned (-17°C) Now if it had been the warmest... It's always cold in the Scottish Highlands !! https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather...ate=2021-02-09 What we want is a nice re-activated volcano in the lake district, we could tap it for energy. |
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On Tue, 09 Feb 2021 13:18:07 +0000, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Tue, 09 Feb 2021 13:04:40 +0000, jon wrote: On Tue, 09 Feb 2021 12:53:13 +0000, Andrew wrote: On 09/02/2021 12:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote: ... is barely mentioned (-17°C) Now if it had been the warmest... It's always cold in the Scottish Highlands !! https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather...st/gfkgdgj2j#? date=2021-02-09 What we want is a nice re-activated volcano in the lake district, we could tap it for energy. Weren't they playing with geothermal energy up in the NE a few years ago ? Many seem to have dabbled, but no headline news yet. |
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On 09/02/2021 12:31, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Tue, 9 Feb 2021 12:18:31 +0000, "Jimmy Stewart ..." wrote: On 09/02/2021 12:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote: ... is barely mentioned (-17°C) Now if it had been the warmest... global cooling due to no air travel less car usage etc Nah! La Niña. yup. its also v cold N america -- "And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch". Gospel of St. Mathew 15:14 |
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On 09/02/2021 13:36, jon wrote:
On Tue, 09 Feb 2021 13:18:07 +0000, Jethro_uk wrote: On Tue, 09 Feb 2021 13:04:40 +0000, jon wrote: On Tue, 09 Feb 2021 12:53:13 +0000, Andrew wrote: On 09/02/2021 12:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote: ... is barely mentioned (-17°C) Now if it had been the warmest... It's always cold in the Scottish Highlands !! https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather...st/gfkgdgj2j#? date=2021-02-09 What we want is a nice re-activated volcano in the lake district, we could tap it for energy. Weren't they playing with geothermal energy up in the NE a few years ago ? Many seem to have dabbled, but no headline news yet. If it made remote economic sense it would have been done years ago. waiting for government subsidies -- "And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch". Gospel of St. Mathew 15:14 |
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On 09/02/2021 13:04, jon wrote:
On Tue, 09 Feb 2021 12:53:13 +0000, Andrew wrote: On 09/02/2021 12:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote: ... is barely mentioned (-17°C) Now if it had been the warmest... It's always cold in the Scottish Highlands !! https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather...ate=2021-02-09 What we want is a nice re-activated volcano in the lake district, we could tap it for energy. Sellafield ?. Plenty of useful decaying heat there. |
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On 09/02/2021 15:21, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Tue, 09 Feb 2021 14:40:07 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 09/02/2021 13:36, jon wrote: On Tue, 09 Feb 2021 13:18:07 +0000, Jethro_uk wrote: On Tue, 09 Feb 2021 13:04:40 +0000, jon wrote: On Tue, 09 Feb 2021 12:53:13 +0000, Andrew wrote: On 09/02/2021 12:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote: ... is barely mentioned (-17°C) Now if it had been the warmest... It's always cold in the Scottish Highlands !! https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather...st/gfkgdgj2j#? date=2021-02-09 What we want is a nice re-activated volcano in the lake district, we could tap it for energy. Weren't they playing with geothermal energy up in the NE a few years ago ? Many seem to have dabbled, but no headline news yet. If it made remote economic sense it would have been done years ago. waiting for government subsidies I think the danger is that you end up - like Iceland - providing it to everyone at very low prices. And we all know that just isn't how we like to do things in England. No, that isn't the danger. Iceland has a low population and active volcanoes. geothermal simply doesn't work here. I think the pipes from Battersea power station to all those council flats still exist...that was free energy... But the greens have ensured that London has no power stations left. Not even waste burners. -- Truth welcomes investigation because truth knows investigation will lead to converts. It is deception that uses all the other techniques. |
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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I think the pipes from Battersea power station to all those council flats still exist...that was free energy... Still supplying district heat https://www.westminster.gov.uk/news/celebrating-pimlico-district-heating-undertaking-and-seasonal-switch |
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On 09/02/2021 15:34, Andy Burns wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote: I think the pipes from Battersea power station to all those council flats still exist...that was free energy... Still supplying district heat https://www.westminster.gov.uk/news/celebrating-pimlico-district-heating-undertaking-and-seasonal-switch way too sensible. lets hope the Greens don't hear of it -- Truth welcomes investigation because truth knows investigation will lead to converts. It is deception that uses all the other techniques. |
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On 09/02/2021 15:28, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 09/02/2021 15:21, Jethro_uk wrote: On Tue, 09 Feb 2021 14:40:07 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 09/02/2021 13:36, jon wrote: On Tue, 09 Feb 2021 13:18:07 +0000, Jethro_uk wrote: On Tue, 09 Feb 2021 13:04:40 +0000, jon wrote: On Tue, 09 Feb 2021 12:53:13 +0000, Andrew wrote: On 09/02/2021 12:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote: ... is barely mentioned (-17°C) Now if it had been the warmest... It's always cold in the Scottish Highlands !! https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather...st/gfkgdgj2j#? date=2021-02-09 What we want is a nice re-activated volcano in the lake district, we could tap it for energy. Weren't they playing with geothermal energy up in the NE a few years ago ? Many seem to have dabbled, but no headline news yet. If it made remote economic sense it would have been done years ago. waiting for government subsidies I think the danger is that you end up - like Iceland - providing it to everyone at very low prices. And we all know that just isn't how we like to do things in England. No, that isn't the danger. Iceland has a low population and active volcanoes. geothermal simply* doesn't* work here. I think the pipes from Battersea power station to all those council flats still exist...that was free energy... If the suppliers can turn it off, they'll charge for it. -- Max Demian |
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On 09/02/2021 13:03, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 09/02/2021 12:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote: ... is barely mentioned (-17°C) Now if it had been the warmest... -17? Almost tropical... https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/polar-vortex-prairies-record-low-temperatures-1.59052380 That link was dead. Spot the difference: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/polar-vortex-prairies-record-low-temperatures-1.5905238 Andy |
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On 09/02/2021 12:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
... is barely mentioned (-17°C) Now if it had been the warmest... minus 6c here last night...bloody Baltic ! ... |
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On 09/02/2021 12:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote: ... is barely mentioned (-17°C) Now if it had been the warmest... minus 6c here last night...bloody Baltic ! ... It is -0.6C here with the sun out. |
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Chris Hogg wrote: On Tue, 9 Feb 2021 12:03:30 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: ... is barely mentioned (-17C) Now if it had been the warmest... Quite. IIRC a few weeks ago we both predicted it was going to be cold... Good to see Turnip still takes 'global warming' as only referring to his back garden. The original Little Englander. -- *I was once a millionaire but my mom gave away my baseball cards Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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That was in Scotland was it? A lot of course is made worse by the wind chill
effect, so it could feel like -30. Certainly here if I move the sensor to a windy spot a couple of years ago although it was only -5, it read -12. People forget how dangerous a wind can be when its cold. Remember that old black and white Open University program where this poor young lady was drenched clothed then put in a glass topped box with air that was only moderately cold until she was visibly shivering with an in ear thermometer until it dropped just half a degree then they had to get her out and wrap her in a silver blanket. It certainly got the message over about going out unprepared for the weather. Brrr. Brian -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message ... ... is barely mentioned (-17C) Now if it had been the warmest... -- "The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools." Herbert Spencer |
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On 09/02/2021 12:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
... is barely mentioned (-17°C) Now if it had been the warmest... Funny papers and new websites are full of stories about the cold, Beast from East II, coldest winter for a decade etc. Both lefty and righty sites. |
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The Natural Philosopher wrote: ... is barely mentioned (-17°C) Now if it had been the warmest... Correct me if I'm wrong (as I'm sure you will), but I have always thought that the main, and worst, effect of global warming (which is a fact[1]) is nothing to do with newspaper headline-grabbing high temperatures[2] (or indeed low ones), but the fact that a couple of degrees in *average*, *global* temperatures causes wildly unpredictable weather patterns. Which is what causes Beasts from the East, forest fires, floods, melting ice caps etc., and consequent disaster. John [1] Yes, it's clearly a fact. And Yes, unstable weather during a particular century of human existence is a grain of sand in the history of the Earth and its climate. so we shouldn't get so hot and bothered (no irony intended). But if mankind can do something about that, let him try to do so. [2] I'm sure you know this too, TNP, and I'm always surprised to see you using the "logic" of the pig-ignorant journalists, who may know, but certainly do not care, that "global warming" doesn't actually mean growing dates in your back garden in Aberdeen, but rather, means the instability that may bring you a heat wave in March, and months-long downpours with dirty grey skies, throughout summer. |
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"Another John" wrote in message ... In article , The Natural Philosopher wrote: ... is barely mentioned (-17°C) Now if it had been the warmest... Correct me if I'm wrong (as I'm sure you will), but I have always thought that the main, and worst, effect of global warming (which is a fact[1]) is nothing to do with newspaper headline-grabbing high temperatures[2] (or indeed low ones), but the fact that a couple of degrees in *average*, *global* temperatures causes wildly unpredictable weather patterns. Yes you are wrong about that. Its just another stupid claim. Which is what causes Beasts from the East, forest fires, floods, Nope. melting ice caps etc., Nope, that is due to higher than average temperatures there. and consequent disaster. [1] Yes, it's clearly a fact. Bull**** it is. And Yes, unstable weather during a particular century of human existence is a grain of sand in the history of the Earth and its climate. so we shouldn't get so hot and bothered (no irony intended). But if mankind can do something about that, let him try to do so. Pity about the wasted stupid cost. [2] I'm sure you know this too, TNP, and I'm always surprised to see you using the "logic" of the pig-ignorant journalists, who may know, but certainly do not care, that "global warming" doesn't actually mean growing dates in your back garden in Aberdeen, but rather, means the instability that may bring you a heat wave in March, and months-long downpours with dirty grey skies, throughout summer. We are much more likely to get that due to non man made events and get to like those or lump them. |
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On 10/02/2021 22:10, Another John wrote:
[2] I'm sure you know this too, TNP, and I'm always surprised to see you using the "logic" of the pig-ignorant journalists, I was merely using their logic to show that in one case they reported it, and in another they didn't I am surprised that you thought my post was about 'global warming' when it was clearly an ironic comment on journalism bias . who may know, but certainly do not care, that "global warming" doesn't actually mean growing dates in your back garden in Aberdeen, well in fact it does. Or at least grapes in Scandinavia and barley in Greenland as happened in the MWP but rather, means the instability that may bring you a heat wave in March, and months-long downpours with dirty grey skies, throughout summer. Well no it doesn't mean that at all. -- Microsoft : the best reason to go to Linux that ever existed. |
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On 10/02/2021 23:06, Tim Streater wrote:
On 10 Feb 2021 at 22:10:15 GMT, Another John wrote: In article , The Natural Philosopher wrote: ... is barely mentioned (-17°C) Now if it had been the warmest... Correct me if I'm wrong (as I'm sure you will), but I have always thought that the main, and worst, effect of global warming (which is a fact[1]) is nothing to do with newspaper headline-grabbing high temperatures[2] (or indeed low ones), but the fact that a couple of degrees in *average*, *global* temperatures causes wildly unpredictable weather patterns. Which is what causes Beasts from the East, forest fires, floods, melting ice caps etc., and consequent disaster. John [1] Yes, it's clearly a fact. And Yes, unstable weather during a particular century of human existence is a grain of sand in the history of the Earth and its climate. so we shouldn't get so hot and bothered (no irony intended). But if mankind can do something about that, let him try to do so. [2] I'm sure you know this too, TNP, and I'm always surprised to see you using the "logic" of the pig-ignorant journalists, who may know, but certainly do not care, that "global warming" doesn't actually mean growing dates in your back garden in Aberdeen, but rather, means the instability that may bring you a heat wave in March, and months-long downpours with dirty grey skies, throughout summer. I think the salient point here is that all of these things have happened before, and certainly within living memory. You, and others, appear to imagine that the temperate winters we had in the 90s or so mean that without climate change we'd have had them ad inifinitum? Forgotten the 1963 winter freeze already? Snow on boxing day and below-zero temps from then until mid-March? Forgotten 2013 already, when the temperature stayed around zero all through March and April? Floods, you say? Forgotten the great winter freeze and flood in East Anglia on 1947? Forgotten the Linton/Lymouth flood disaster of 1952 or so? Indeed. Arguably weather is getting less extreme, if anything. And really it was warmer in the 1930s than it is now, except in airports and cities, where they have stuck the thermometers The interesting thing is that remote thermometers that haven't been changed in 60 years stuck out well away from civilization show no warming at all.... -- "I am inclined to tell the truth and dislike people who lie consistently. This makes me unfit for the company of people of a Left persuasion, and all women" |
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Vir Campestris wrote:
Jeff Layman wrote: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/polar-vortex-prairies-record-low-temperatures-1.59052380 That link was dead. Spot the difference: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/polar-vortex-prairies-record-low-temperatures-1.5905238 Spot what matters: http://cbc.ca/news/p-1.5905238 |
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More Heavy Trolling by Senile Nym-Shifting Rodent Speed!
On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 12:31:44 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: FLUSH the trolling senile cretin's latest troll**** unread -- Kerr-Mudd,John addressing the auto-contradicting senile cretin: "Auto-contradictor Rod is back! (in the KF)" MID: |
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On 11/02/2021 05:45, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Arguably weather is getting less extreme, if anything. And really it was warmer in the 1930s than it is now, except in airports and cities, where they have stuck the thermometers The interesting thing is that remote thermometers that haven't been changed in 60 years stuck out well away from civilization show no warming at all.... It's thought to be the unstated reason why 75% (possibly 5000?) of the GHCN's network of thermometers have been taken off the data supply, leaving only those that support the narrative of 'global warming'. -- Spike |
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On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 08:23:56 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:
Vir Campestris wrote: Jeff Layman wrote: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saska...rtex-prairies- record-low-temperatures-1.59052380 That link was dead. Spot the difference: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saska...rtex-prairies- record-low-temperatures-1.5905238 Spot what matters: http://cbc.ca/news/p-1.5905238 Oh dear not a vortex....but not shedding. |
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On Thursday, 11 February 2021 at 09:38:21 UTC, Spike wrote:
On 11/02/2021 05:45, The Natural Philosopher wrote: Arguably weather is getting less extreme, if anything. And really it was warmer in the 1930s than it is now, except in airports and cities, where they have stuck the thermometers The interesting thing is that remote thermometers that haven't been changed in 60 years stuck out well away from civilization show no warming at all.... It's thought to be the unstated reason why 75% (possibly 5000?) of the GHCN's network of thermometers have been taken off the data supply, leaving only those that support the narrative of 'global warming'. -- Spike This is just a lie on a lie. Numerous studies, including ones with a 'sceptical' origin, have shown that rurally sited thermometers show warming, and it's not as if there isn't considerable effort in siting and bias correction to account for urban heat islands. It is of course easy to find individual thermometers that show you any trend you want by cherry picking localities - but aggregate lots of data and the message is consistent. As for 75% (possibly 10,000) GHCN thermometers being offline? Another obvious and simplistic lie. For a start GHCN contains data from over 100k stations, not the 14k that is implied. Active daily readings are received from over 20k stations. The data can be reviewed and inspected so the implication that sites are removed for 'unstated' reasons is rhetoric. And GHCN is just one line of evidence for global warming - we have satellite measurements, observation of melting glaciers, sea level rise, simple physics. In fact one study looked at over 170 diffrent surrogates for temperature - things like coral growth, isotopic composition of water - guess what? Confirmed the trends. |
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On 11/02/2021 11:27, Andy McKenzie wrote:
On Thursday, 11 February 2021 at 09:38:21 UTC, Spike wrote: On 11/02/2021 05:45, The Natural Philosopher wrote: Arguably weather is getting less extreme, if anything. And really it was warmer in the 1930s than it is now, except in airports and cities, where they have stuck the thermometers The interesting thing is that remote thermometers that haven't been changed in 60 years stuck out well away from civilization show no warming at all.... It's thought to be the unstated reason why 75% (possibly 5000?) of the GHCN's network of thermometers have been taken off the data supply, leaving only those that support the narrative of 'global warming'. -- Spike This is just a lie on a lie. Numerous studies, including ones with a 'sceptical' origin, have shown that rurally sited thermometers show warming, and it's not as if there isn't considerable effort in siting and bias correction to account for urban heat islands. It is of course easy to find individual thermometers that show you any trend you want by cherry picking localities - but aggregate lots of data and the message is consistent. I suggest you go to te root research and re=thgen read what I siad carefully. Its not just rural siting, its that the same thermometer is in use in te same way. And it hasn't been 'normalised' Or changed from '#average' to 'halfway between daytime high and night time low' Yuss ffolks. One man with a portable Dyson hairdrier can create a 'record temperature' in a town near you... Teh raw satellite record shows bugger all warming going on. As for 75% (possibly 10,000) GHCN thermometers being offline? Another obvious and simplistic lie. For a start GHCN contains data from over 100k stations, not the 14k that is implied. Active daily readings are received from over 20k stations. The data can be reviewed and inspected so the implication that sites are removed for 'unstated' reasons is rhetoric. And GHCN is just one line of evidence for global warming - we have satellite measurements, observation of melting glaciers, sea level rise, simple physics. In fact one study looked at over 170 diffrent surrogates for temperature - things like coral growth, isotopic composition of water - guess what? Confirmed the trends. I think you should check your facts agian -- "And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch". Gospel of St. Mathew 15:14 |
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On 11/02/2021 08:23, Andy Burns wrote:
Vir Campestris wrote: Jeff Layman wrote: * https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/polar-vortex-prairies-record-low-temperatures-1.59052380 That link was dead. Spot the difference: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/polar-vortex-prairies-record-low-temperatures-1.5905238 Spot what matters: http://cbc.ca/news/p-1.5905238 And Paul says his gas boiler is (was) broke, so he is heating by electric ! |
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OT: Coldest UK temperature for ten years....
On 11/02/2021 11:27, Andy McKenzie wrote:
On Thursday, 11 February 2021 at 09:38:21 UTC, Spike wrote: On 11/02/2021 05:45, The Natural Philosopher wrote: Arguably weather is getting less extreme, if anything. And really it was warmer in the 1930s than it is now, except in airports and cities, where they have stuck the thermometers The interesting thing is that remote thermometers that haven't been changed in 60 years stuck out well away from civilization show no warming at all.... It's thought to be the unstated reason why 75% (possibly 5000?) of the GHCN's network of thermometers have been taken off the data supply, leaving only those that support the narrative of 'global warming'. This is just a lie on a lie. Numerous studies, including ones with a 'sceptical' origin, have shown that rurally sited thermometers show warming, and it's not as if there isn't considerable effort in siting and bias correction to account for urban heat islands. It is of course easy to find individual thermometers that show you any trend you want by cherry picking localities - but aggregate lots of data and the message is consistent. "The Global Historical Climatology Network Daily database, GHCN-D, contains meteorological measurements from over 90,000 stations across the globe. The *majority* of station records contain *precipitation* *data* *only*, however other key variables including maximum temperature, minimum temperature, snowfall, cloudiness, wind speed and snow depth are available at many locations". As for 75% (possibly 10,000) GHCN thermometers being offline? Another obvious and simplistic lie. For a start GHCN contains data from over 100k stations, not the 14k that is implied. Active daily readings are received from over 20k stations. The data can be reviewed and inspected so the implication that sites are removed for 'unstated' reasons is rhetoric. And GHCN is just one line of evidence for global warming - we have satellite measurements, observation of melting glaciers, sea level rise, simple physics. In fact one study looked at over 170 diffrent surrogates for temperature - things like coral growth, isotopic composition of water - guess what? Confirmed the trends. A 46-second animation of the Great Cull, covering 1914 - 2014: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNMgqnUEMGM This sort of thing makes interesting reading: "The only conclusion can be that GHCN stations hundreds of miles away, and outside of the Arctic region, have been used for homogenisation. And here lies the problem is there any reason why we would expect climate in, for instance, Britain to follow the same pattern as Iceland or Greenland? Certainly not according to the experts, as this paper AN ANALYSIS OF ICELANDIC CLIMATE SINCE THE NINETEENTH CENTURY by Hanna, Jonsson & Box, published in 2004 showed. They had this to say: The warming was non-uniform in time, occurring in three distinct phases, approximately from 1880 to 1900, from 1925 to 1940, and from 1983 to 2001. Warming was most rapid in 191933, reaching the maximum temperatures over the entire record in 1939 and 1941. The northwestern European records surveyed do not indicate any significant trends over the 190130 standard period, whereas Icelandic trends are highly significant , somewhat indicating a decoupling between the Icelandic and northwestern European climates." -- Spike |
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OT: Coldest UK temperature for ten years....
On 11/02/2021 14:05, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Tue, 9 Feb 2021 12:03:30 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: ... is barely mentioned (-17°C) Now if it had been the warmest... The Beeb is now reporting -23°C in Braemar last night, the lowest February temperature since 1955! Well, that's global warming for you :-) Well I did sort expect it - La Niña and all that - had to order another £800 of oil. Hope that lasts till spring Its ****ing cold -- No Apple devices were knowingly used in the preparation of this post. |
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On 11 Feb 2021 at 14:05:11 GMT, "Chris Hogg" wrote:
On Tue, 9 Feb 2021 12:03:30 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: ... is barely mentioned (-17°C) Now if it had been the warmest... The Beeb is now reporting -23°C in Braemar last night, the lowest February temperature since 1955! Well, that's *climate change* for you :-) FTFY -- Cheers, Rob |
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OT: Coldest UK temperature for ten years....
Andrew wrote:
On 11/02/2021 08:23, Andy Burns wrote: Vir Campestris wrote: Jeff Layman wrote: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/polar-vortex-prairies-record-low-temperatures-1.59052380 That link was dead. Spot the difference: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/polar-vortex-prairies-record-low-temperatures-1.5905238 Spot what matters: http://cbc.ca/news/p-1.5905238 And Paul says his gas boiler is (was) broke, so he is heating by electric ! No, it's fixed :-) It's running right now, as I type. Across the country, temperatures range from 0C to -33C tonight, -7C in Newfoundland (Gulf Stream). For me, it will be around -20C or so, pretty normal for this time of year. The track record for me this winter is "warmer than normal" by quite a bit. I get the impression only a portion of the Vortex has got me. Sometimes the Arctic region is warmer than the Prairies. Iqaluit is -18C or -19C or so right now. Not nearly as cold as those CBC articles. I usually expect two days of -26C here, for the winter to be normal, and the best time for such days was two or three weeks ago. The climate is warming up, because new regions are opening to tourism in the Arctic. And some of the native peoples are using large motor boats to go to fishing camps in the summer, in their shirt sleeves. They can't necessarily gather traditional foods because of the change in ice conditions. But in the winter, they'll still be back on Skidoos. As long as the areas they sled, hold together. Part of the reason for this activity, is food from the outside world is quite expensive, and if you had any ordinary sort of job, you couldn't afford to eat. This would be food that comes in by plane. They fixed the train line up to Hudsons bay, so those people might have their connection back to civilization again. We have lots of hard cases, places getting fuel by barge once a year, and so on. Not everyone sits in a warm warm room like me right now :-) The people in Fort Chip, the ones that got the huge solar array, even though the latitude doesn't make sense for it, those people are freezing their asses off :-) Minus 37C last night. I hope those panels can take -37C without cracking. There would have been a good many wood fires last night and pot belly stoves. The chief wasn't standing around for promo pictures last night. https://i.cbc.ca/1.5807746.160575622...allan-adam.jpg Paul |
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