In article , nightjar
wrote:
On 16/10/2020 21:31, Radio Man wrote:
wrote:
On Friday, 16 October 2020 17:10:14 UTC+1, nightjar wrote:
According to the Boots web site, it is only free NHS jabs that are
not currently available to under 65s. Their private service is still
available to anybody.

They're not accepting any bookings for any flu jab:

"Under 65s Winter Flu Jab Service Due to unprecedented demand for flu
vaccinations this year and stock availability we have had to suspend
bookings.#######" https://www.boots.com/winter-flu-2020


"Over 65s Winter Flu Jab Service Due to unprecedented demand for flu
vaccinations this year and stock availability we have had to suspend
bookings.#######" https://www.boots.com/flu-2020-2

are the two options from the appointment booking page which you get
from the Book Now link at
https://www.boots.com/online/pharmac...u-jab-services

Owain


My sister was told it was due to a supply problem due to a shortage of
eggs.


The NHS has 30 million doses, so there is not a shortage for the people
they think need it.

I doubt if they 'have' that number; they have probably ordered that number
and it will supplied in batches. There may be temporary local shortages. I
think the vaccine has a fairly short shelf life.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

Robert Wrote in message:
On 16/10/2020 22:15, Jimk wrote:
Robert Wrote in message:
On 16/10/2020 14:55, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
Wifey rocked up at our local ASDA store pharmacy yesterday for a jab -
no booking, no queue, no fuss, in and out in 5 mins. £8

But that involves the whisper private sector /w which will make a
whisper profit/w. Shich horror! Our Dave will have conniptions,
whatever they may be.

Now explain how a chemist is private sector (when the majority of its
income is from the NHS) while a GP surgery isn't. Although I expect it
will tax what passes for your brain.

But thanks for confirming you are happy to pay for a jab 'from the private
sector' you can get for free from your GP.

I'm sure your Harley Street doctor would do a flue jab on demand too.
Although likely not for £8.

You will get it Free at ASDA or other private pharmacies if you are
entitled to one under the NHS scheme.
Agree getting them at a High Street or Supermarket Pharmacy is often a
lot less hassle than at the GPs.
I used to always use my local independent Pharmacy for a walk in appt.


How do you prove your entitlement in Asda ?

Exactly like with a prescription - you don't have to prove it just claim it.


A prescription being a piece of paper signed by a medical
professional?, unless you have selected your online pharmacist,
whence "paperless" things can happen (even though they give me a
paper repeat order form with your item(s) )
--
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On 17/10/2020 09:34, charles wrote:
In article , nightjar
wrote:
On 16/10/2020 21:31, Radio Man wrote:
wrote:
On Friday, 16 October 2020 17:10:14 UTC+1, nightjar wrote:
According to the Boots web site, it is only free NHS jabs that are
not currently available to under 65s. Their private service is still
available to anybody.

They're not accepting any bookings for any flu jab:

"Under 65s Winter Flu Jab Service Due to unprecedented demand for flu
vaccinations this year and stock availability we have had to suspend
bookings.#######" https://www.boots.com/winter-flu-2020


"Over 65s Winter Flu Jab Service Due to unprecedented demand for flu
vaccinations this year and stock availability we have had to suspend
bookings.#######" https://www.boots.com/flu-2020-2

are the two options from the appointment booking page which you get
from the Book Now link at
https://www.boots.com/online/pharmac...u-jab-services

Owain


My sister was told it was due to a supply problem due to a shortage of
eggs.


The NHS has 30 million doses, so there is not a shortage for the people
they think need it.

I doubt if they 'have' that number; they have probably ordered that number
and it will supplied in batches. There may be temporary local shortages. I
think the vaccine has a fairly short shelf life.


and I'm not sure how anyone knows who has what at any time as there's a
multiplicity of providers ordering direct from manufacturers. DHSC only
order some - eg vaccines for children.

--
Robin
reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

"Andy Burns" wrote in message
...
charles wrote:

RJH wrote:

My (Sheffield) local surgery got stock in late September, but not
offering it to anyone non-vulnerable under 65 -

2 different vaccines

https://lloydspharmacy.com/pages/flu-vaccination

"This year the NHS has recommended the use of 2 different vaccinations; Fluad
(adjuvanted trivalent influenza vaccine) for those aged 65 and over and a Quadrivalent
vaccine for those aged 18 to 65. Both will help protect from flu, however research
shows Fluad is a more appropriate vaccine in those aged 65 and over."

Both unavailable ...

With all due respect, and not that I've got any particular interest in this topic,
LLoyds are a pile of ****e*, to use the technical term.

This judgement is based both on personal experience from last
year and subsequent confirmation via online reviews.

michael adams

*Inadequate staffing levels, incorrect information given both online and
in person, and general incompetence resulting from penny pinching
basically.


michael adams

....

Andy Burns wrote:
charles wrote:

RJH wrote:

My (Sheffield) local surgery got stock in late September, but not
offering it to anyone non-vulnerable under 65 -

2 different vaccines

https://lloydspharmacy.com/pages/flu-vaccination

"This year the NHS has recommended the use of 2 different vaccinations;
Fluad (adjuvanted trivalent influenza vaccine) for those aged 65 and
over and a Quadrivalent vaccine for those aged 18 to 65. Both will help
protect from flu, however research shows Fluad is a more appropriate
vaccine in those aged 65 and over."

Both unavailable ...

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/adjuvant.htm

Fluad trivalent is adjuvanted with MF59 (which is squalene oil,
and why they couldn't just say that). Squalene oil comes from sharks.
It's quite common as an adjuvant and has been used before.
A datasheet for it, says Fluad trivalent has no preservative.
People over 65 can be offered this one as an alternative.
It means you're well covered for the three most prevalent
strains.

Fluad quadrivalent is for people younger than 65 years. It
is not adjuvanted. Four different kinds of flu are in this
shot, but old people might not react to this all that well
(might not build resistance). That was the claim at least.
That's how they were selling the story. A datasheet for it,
says Fluad quadrivalent has no preservative either.

Normally, 10-shot vials of flu jab are protected by a small
amount of Thiomersal. This protects the vial contents as
fresh clean needles are shoved through the septum on the vial.
Even though the vial is wiped with an alcohol swab before
drawing liquid, there's still the possibility of the vial
being put back in the fridge and left for a week. And you
don't want any foreign matter, growing inside the vial.
No matter how careful the operator is, this is microbiology
we're talking about. Maybe they didn't wash their hands...

Adjuvanting was used for swine flu jab, to make the
material go further. Mine was adjuvanted with Vitamin E.
As an example of the usage of something other than Squalene.

*Every* company making one of these, should provide a datasheet.
*Read it*

(The datasheet could list a *different* adjuvant, for example.
The side effects of the adjuvant are *different*. You'll see... :-/ )
The datasheets in this example, deserve an award of some sort
for poor formatting and information content. Usually a good
sheet is two pages, suitable for double sided printing and
placement in the box. And usually this includes a bullet form
list of ingredients, including Thiomersal if any was used.

https://www.fda.gov/media/94583/download

Each 0.5 mL dose [of Fluad Trivalent] contains

15 mcg of hemagglutinin (HA) [times 3 strains]
MF59C.1 adjuvant (9.75 mg squalene,
1.175 mg of polysorbate 80,
1.175 mg of sorbitan trioleate,
0.66 mg of sodium citrate dihydrate
0.04 mg of citric acid monohydrate
at pH 6.9-7.7)

https://www.fda.gov/media/135432/download

Each 0.5 mL dose [of Fluad Quadrivalent] contains

15 mcg of hemagglutinin (HA) [times 4 strains]
MF59C.1 adjuvant (9.75 mg squalene,
1.175 mg of polysorbate 80,
1.175 mg of sorbitan trioleate,
0.66 mg of sodium citrate dihydrate
0.04 mg of citric acid monohydrate
at pH 6.9-7.7)

So already we're seeing a *mismatch* in marketing. We're
left with the feeling that the Trivalent is somehow special
for the older folks, when the fricken formulation is the
same, the 15mcg per antigen is the same, and they're *both*
adjuvanted. Now I don't feel so bad about getting the Quad.

This is why you read these things. To learn stuff.
Not to run away scared.

By the way, if a flu shot is adjuvanted with Vitamin E,
don't go driving the next day, OK ? You won't need
any help figuring that out. It's not a dangerous
effect, but it is annoying. (Huge release of endorphins,
feeling all day of lightheadedness.) I've not had any
Squalene, so it'll be interesting to see what it's like.

This is also worth a read, to discover where MF59C came from.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squalene

Paul

In article , michael adams
wrote:

"Andy Burns" wrote in message
...
charles wrote:

RJH wrote:

My (Sheffield) local surgery got stock in late September, but not
offering it to anyone non-vulnerable under 65 -

2 different vaccines

https://lloydspharmacy.com/pages/flu-vaccination

"This year the NHS has recommended the use of 2 different vaccinations;
Fluad (adjuvanted trivalent influenza vaccine) for those aged 65 and
over and a Quadrivalent vaccine for those aged 18 to 65. Both will
help protect from flu, however research shows Fluad is a more
appropriate vaccine in those aged 65 and over."

Both unavailable ...

With all due respect, and not that I've got any particular interest in
this topic, LLoyds are a pile of ****e*, to use the technical term.

They're pretty dreadful here, too. Completely closed one day last week
because the pharmacist didn't turn up. Last year some strong letters were
sent to Head Office - didn't help.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

On 17/10/2020 10:33, Paul wrote:
snip

Just in case, the above ain'tn't an accurate account of the position in
in England.
--
Robin
reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

nightjar Wrote in message:
On 16/10/2020 19:01, wrote:
On Friday, 16 October 2020 17:10:14 UTC+1, nightjar wrote:
According to the Boots web site, it is only free NHS jabs that are not
currently available to under 65s. Their private service is still
available to anybody.

They're not accepting any bookings for any flu jab:

"Under 65s Winter Flu Jab Service
Due to unprecedented demand for flu vaccinations this year and stock availability we have had to suspend bookings.???????"
https://www.boots.com/winter-flu-2020


"Over 65s Winter Flu Jab Service
Due to unprecedented demand for flu vaccinations this year and stock availability we have had to suspend bookings.???????"
https://www.boots.com/flu-2020-2

are the two options from the appointment booking page which you get from the Book Now link at
https://www.boots.com/online/pharmac...u-jab-services

Which sounds as though they underestimated the demand and didn't order
enough, as I said earlier.

When I had the jab at my local surgery, a few days ago, I asked about
the supply problem and they said that, after an underestimate of demand
for the first session that left them short on that day, they now had all
they needed. That with them running a walk-in clinic and no prior
knowledge of how many people might turn up, although they would know how
many three nurses could inject, working non-stop during the hours the
clinic was open.


As long as nosy old farts stopped asking questions & got on with it....
--
Jimk


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Paul Wrote in message:
Andy Burns wrote:
charles wrote:

RJH wrote:

My (Sheffield) local surgery got stock in late September, but not
offering it to anyone non-vulnerable under 65 -

2 different vaccines

https://lloydspharmacy.com/pages/flu-vaccination

"This year the NHS has recommended the use of 2 different vaccinations;
Fluad (adjuvanted trivalent influenza vaccine) for those aged 65 and
over and a Quadrivalent vaccine for those aged 18 to 65. Both will help
protect from flu, however research shows Fluad is a more appropriate
vaccine in those aged 65 and over."

Both unavailable ...

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/adjuvant.htm

Fluad trivalent is adjuvanted with MF59 (which is squalene oil,
and why they couldn't just say that). Squalene oil comes from sharks.
It's quite common as an adjuvant and has been used before.
A datasheet for it, says Fluad trivalent has no preservative.
People over 65 can be offered this one as an alternative.
It means you're well covered for the three most prevalent
strains.

Fluad quadrivalent is for people younger than 65 years. It
is not adjuvanted. Four different kinds of flu are in this
shot, but old people might not react to this all that well
(might not build resistance). That was the claim at least.
That's how they were selling the story. A datasheet for it,
says Fluad quadrivalent has no preservative either.

Normally, 10-shot vials of flu jab are protected by a small
amount of Thiomersal. This protects the vial contents as
fresh clean needles are shoved through the septum on the vial.
Even though the vial is wiped with an alcohol swab before
drawing liquid, there's still the possibility of the vial
being put back in the fridge and left for a week. And you
don't want any foreign matter, growing inside the vial.
No matter how careful the operator is, this is microbiology
we're talking about. Maybe they didn't wash their hands...

Adjuvanting was used for swine flu jab, to make the
material go further. Mine was adjuvanted with Vitamin E.
As an example of the usage of something other than Squalene.

*Every* company making one of these, should provide a datasheet.
*Read it*

(The datasheet could list a *different* adjuvant, for example.
The side effects of the adjuvant are *different*. You'll see... :-/ )
The datasheets in this example, deserve an award of some sort
for poor formatting and information content. Usually a good
sheet is two pages, suitable for double sided printing and
placement in the box. And usually this includes a bullet form
list of ingredients, including Thiomersal if any was used.

https://www.fda.gov/media/94583/download

Each 0.5 mL dose [of Fluad Trivalent] contains

15 mcg of hemagglutinin (HA) [times 3 strains]
MF59C.1 adjuvant (9.75 mg squalene,
1.175 mg of polysorbate 80,
1.175 mg of sorbitan trioleate,
0.66 mg of sodium citrate dihydrate
0.04 mg of citric acid monohydrate
at pH 6.9-7.7)

https://www.fda.gov/media/135432/download

Each 0.5 mL dose [of Fluad Quadrivalent] contains

15 mcg of hemagglutinin (HA) [times 4 strains]
MF59C.1 adjuvant (9.75 mg squalene,
1.175 mg of polysorbate 80,
1.175 mg of sorbitan trioleate,
0.66 mg of sodium citrate dihydrate
0.04 mg of citric acid monohydrate
at pH 6.9-7.7)

So already we're seeing a *mismatch* in marketing. We're
left with the feeling that the Trivalent is somehow special
for the older folks, when the fricken formulation is the
same, the 15mcg per antigen is the same, and they're *both*
adjuvanted. Now I don't feel so bad about getting the Quad.

This is why you read these things. To learn stuff.
Not to run away scared.

By the way, if a flu shot is adjuvanted with Vitamin E,
don't go driving the next day, OK ? You won't need
any help figuring that out. It's not a dangerous
effect, but it is annoying. (Huge release of endorphins,
feeling all day of lightheadedness.) I've not had any
Squalene, so it'll be interesting to see what it's like.

This is also worth a read, to discover where MF59C came from.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squalene

Paul


Is there no limit to your googling?
--
Jimk


----Android NewsGroup Reader----
http://usenet.sinaapp.com/

On 16/10/2020 21:31, Radio Man wrote:
wrote:
On Friday, 16 October 2020 17:10:14 UTC+1, nightjar wrote:
According to the Boots web site, it is only free NHS jabs that are not
currently available to under 65s. Their private service is still
available to anybody.

They're not accepting any bookings for any flu jab:

"Under 65s Winter Flu Jab Service
Due to unprecedented demand for flu vaccinations this year and stock
availability we have had to suspend bookings.€‹€‹€‹€‹€‹€‹€‹"
https://www.boots.com/winter-flu-2020


"Over 65s Winter Flu Jab Service
Due to unprecedented demand for flu vaccinations this year and stock
availability we have had to suspend bookings.€‹€‹€‹€‹€‹€‹€‹"
https://www.boots.com/flu-2020-2

are the two options from the appointment booking page which you get from
the Book Now link at
https://www.boots.com/online/pharmac...u-jab-services

Owain


My sister was told it was due to a supply problem due to a shortage of
eggs.

I had to go to a fitba ground which was against my principals because I
hate fitbo ....

On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 05:33:13 -0400, Paul
wrote:

snip

This is also worth a read, to discover where MF59C came from.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squalene

"Industrial production

Squalene is a low density compound often stored in the bodies of
cartilaginous fish such as sharks, which lack a swim bladder and must
therefore reduce their body density with fats and oils. Squalene,
which is stored mainly in the shark's liver, is lighter than water
with a specific gravity of 0.855. Recently it has become a trend to
hunt sharks to process their livers for the purpose of making squalene
health capsules.

Environmental and other concerns over shark hunting have motivated its
extraction from other sources. Vegetable sources (primarily vegetable
oils) include amaranth seed, rice bran, wheat germ, and olives.[6]
Biosynthetic processes using genetically engineered yeast or bacteria
is also used.[7][8] "

https://ibb.co/2FHD5wR

;-)

Cheers, T i m

On 17/10/2020 11:57, T i m wrote:
On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 05:33:13 -0400, Paul
wrote:

snip

This is also worth a read, to discover where MF59C came from.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squalene

"Industrial production

Squalene is a low density compound often stored in the bodies of
cartilaginous fish such as sharks, which lack a swim bladder and must
therefore reduce their body density with fats and oils. Squalene,
which is stored mainly in the shark's liver, is lighter than water
with a specific gravity of 0.855. Recently it has become a trend to
hunt sharks to process their livers for the purpose of making squalene
health capsules.

Environmental and other concerns over shark hunting have motivated its
extraction from other sources. Vegetable sources (primarily vegetable
oils) include amaranth seed, rice bran, wheat germ, and olives.[6]
Biosynthetic processes using genetically engineered yeast or bacteria
is also used.[7][8] "

https://ibb.co/2FHD5wR

;-)

Cheers, T i m

look at all the dead chicken eggs that died so we can live....shocking

On 17/10/2020 09:19, Jim GM4 DHJ ... wrote:
On 16/10/2020 20:14, Radio Man wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Â*Â*Â* Andy Bennet wrote:
Wifey rocked up at our local ASDA store pharmacy yesterday for a jab -
no booking, no queue, no fuss, in and out in 5 mins. £8

My local ASDA is about the same distance as my GP surgery. Where it was
free...


If you are eligible for it free you can get it in a pharmacy free my
parents do this it saves a longer trip.



I had to go to the local fitbo ground something I swore I would never do
because I hate fitba......

Celtic or Rangers (wearing the wrong scarf) ?

On 17/10/2020 11:05, Jimk wrote:
nightjar Wrote in message:
On 16/10/2020 19:01, wrote:
On Friday, 16 October 2020 17:10:14 UTC+1, nightjar wrote:
According to the Boots web site, it is only free NHS jabs that are not
currently available to under 65s. Their private service is still
available to anybody.

They're not accepting any bookings for any flu jab:

"Under 65s Winter Flu Jab Service
Due to unprecedented demand for flu vaccinations this year and stock availability we have had to suspend bookings.???????"
https://www.boots.com/winter-flu-2020


"Over 65s Winter Flu Jab Service
Due to unprecedented demand for flu vaccinations this year and stock availability we have had to suspend bookings.???????"
https://www.boots.com/flu-2020-2

are the two options from the appointment booking page which you get from the Book Now link at
https://www.boots.com/online/pharmac...u-jab-services

Which sounds as though they underestimated the demand and didn't order
enough, as I said earlier.

When I had the jab at my local surgery, a few days ago, I asked about
the supply problem and they said that, after an underestimate of demand
for the first session that left them short on that day, they now had all
they needed. That with them running a walk-in clinic and no prior
knowledge of how many people might turn up, although they would know how
many three nurses could inject, working non-stop during the hours the
clinic was open.


As long as nosy old farts stopped asking questions & got on with it....


Or better still managed without. There is no (significant) flu this year.

On 17/10/2020 10:48, charles wrote:
In article , michael adams
wrote:

"Andy Burns" wrote in message
...
charles wrote:

RJH wrote:

My (Sheffield) local surgery got stock in late September, but not
offering it to anyone non-vulnerable under 65 -

2 different vaccines

https://lloydspharmacy.com/pages/flu-vaccination

"This year the NHS has recommended the use of 2 different vaccinations;
Fluad (adjuvanted trivalent influenza vaccine) for those aged 65 and
over and a Quadrivalent vaccine for those aged 18 to 65. Both will
help protect from flu, however research shows Fluad is a more
appropriate vaccine in those aged 65 and over."

Both unavailable ...

With all due respect, and not that I've got any particular interest in
this topic, LLoyds are a pile of ****e*, to use the technical term.

They're pretty dreadful here, too. Completely closed one day last week
because the pharmacist didn't turn up. Last year some strong letters were
sent to Head Office - didn't help.


"Other branches are available" as the saying goes.

On 17/10/2020 11:08, Jimk wrote:
Paul Wrote in message:
Andy Burns wrote:
charles wrote:

RJH wrote:

My (Sheffield) local surgery got stock in late September, but not
offering it to anyone non-vulnerable under 65 -

2 different vaccines

https://lloydspharmacy.com/pages/flu-vaccination

"This year the NHS has recommended the use of 2 different vaccinations;
Fluad (adjuvanted trivalent influenza vaccine) for those aged 65 and
over and a Quadrivalent vaccine for those aged 18 to 65. Both will help
protect from flu, however research shows Fluad is a more appropriate
vaccine in those aged 65 and over."

Both unavailable ...

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/adjuvant.htm

Fluad trivalent is adjuvanted with MF59 (which is squalene oil,
and why they couldn't just say that). Squalene oil comes from sharks.
It's quite common as an adjuvant and has been used before.
A datasheet for it, says Fluad trivalent has no preservative.
People over 65 can be offered this one as an alternative.
It means you're well covered for the three most prevalent
strains.

Fluad quadrivalent is for people younger than 65 years. It
is not adjuvanted. Four different kinds of flu are in this
shot, but old people might not react to this all that well
(might not build resistance). That was the claim at least.
That's how they were selling the story. A datasheet for it,
says Fluad quadrivalent has no preservative either.

Normally, 10-shot vials of flu jab are protected by a small
amount of Thiomersal. This protects the vial contents as
fresh clean needles are shoved through the septum on the vial.
Even though the vial is wiped with an alcohol swab before
drawing liquid, there's still the possibility of the vial
being put back in the fridge and left for a week. And you
don't want any foreign matter, growing inside the vial.
No matter how careful the operator is, this is microbiology
we're talking about. Maybe they didn't wash their hands...

Adjuvanting was used for swine flu jab, to make the
material go further. Mine was adjuvanted with Vitamin E.
As an example of the usage of something other than Squalene.

*Every* company making one of these, should provide a datasheet.
*Read it*

(The datasheet could list a *different* adjuvant, for example.
The side effects of the adjuvant are *different*. You'll see... :-/ )
The datasheets in this example, deserve an award of some sort
for poor formatting and information content. Usually a good
sheet is two pages, suitable for double sided printing and
placement in the box. And usually this includes a bullet form
list of ingredients, including Thiomersal if any was used.

https://www.fda.gov/media/94583/download

Each 0.5 mL dose [of Fluad Trivalent] contains

15 mcg of hemagglutinin (HA) [times 3 strains]
MF59C.1 adjuvant (9.75 mg squalene,
1.175 mg of polysorbate 80,
1.175 mg of sorbitan trioleate,
0.66 mg of sodium citrate dihydrate
0.04 mg of citric acid monohydrate
at pH 6.9-7.7)

https://www.fda.gov/media/135432/download

Each 0.5 mL dose [of Fluad Quadrivalent] contains

15 mcg of hemagglutinin (HA) [times 4 strains]
MF59C.1 adjuvant (9.75 mg squalene,
1.175 mg of polysorbate 80,
1.175 mg of sorbitan trioleate,
0.66 mg of sodium citrate dihydrate
0.04 mg of citric acid monohydrate
at pH 6.9-7.7)

So already we're seeing a *mismatch* in marketing. We're
left with the feeling that the Trivalent is somehow special
for the older folks, when the fricken formulation is the
same, the 15mcg per antigen is the same, and they're *both*
adjuvanted. Now I don't feel so bad about getting the Quad.

This is why you read these things. To learn stuff.
Not to run away scared.

By the way, if a flu shot is adjuvanted with Vitamin E,
don't go driving the next day, OK ? You won't need
any help figuring that out. It's not a dangerous
effect, but it is annoying. (Huge release of endorphins,
feeling all day of lightheadedness.) I've not had any
Squalene, so it'll be interesting to see what it's like.

This is also worth a read, to discover where MF59C came from.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squalene

Paul


Is there no limit to your googling?


His postings are far more enlightening than most of the
others though. Like his explanation of why Dave had
probably bought an ex-bitcoin-mining graphics card that
had been reflashed, or whatever.

On 17/10/2020 12:06, Jim GM4 DHJ ... wrote:
On 17/10/2020 11:57, T i m wrote:
On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 05:33:13 -0400, Paul
wrote:

snip

This is also worth a read, to discover where MF59C came from.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squalene

"Industrial production

Squalene is a low density compound often stored in the bodies of
cartilaginous fish such as sharks, which lack a swim bladder and must
therefore reduce their body density with fats and oils. Squalene,
which is stored mainly in the shark's liver, is lighter than water
with a specific gravity of 0.855. Recently it has become a trend to
hunt sharks to process their livers for the purpose of making squalene
health capsules.

Environmental and other concerns over shark hunting have motivated its
extraction from other sources. Vegetable sources (primarily vegetable
oils) include amaranth seed, rice bran, wheat germ, and olives.[6]
Biosynthetic processes using genetically engineered yeast or bacteria
is also used.[7][8] "

https://ibb.co/2FHD5wR

;-)

Cheers, T i m

look at all the dead chicken eggs that died so we can live....shocking

Don't forget the tasty mercury used as a preservative

In article , Andrew
wrote:
On 17/10/2020 10:48, charles wrote:
In article , michael adams
wrote:

"Andy Burns" wrote in message
...
charles wrote:

RJH wrote:

My (Sheffield) local surgery got stock in late September, but not
offering it to anyone non-vulnerable under 65 -

2 different vaccines

https://lloydspharmacy.com/pages/flu-vaccination

"This year the NHS has recommended the use of 2 different
vaccinations; Fluad (adjuvanted trivalent influenza vaccine) for
those aged 65 and over and a Quadrivalent vaccine for those aged 18
to 65. Both will help protect from flu, however research shows Fluad
is a more appropriate vaccine in those aged 65 and over."

Both unavailable ...

With all due respect, and not that I've got any particular interest in
this topic, LLoyds are a pile of ****e*, to use the technical term.

They're pretty dreadful here, too. Completely closed one day last week
because the pharmacist didn't turn up. Last year some strong letters
were sent to Head Office - didn't help.


"Other branches are available" as the saying goes.

true - but not within walking distance

--
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"Andrew" wrote in message
...
On 17/10/2020 10:48, charles wrote:
In article , michael adams
wrote:

"Andy Burns" wrote in message
...
charles wrote:

RJH wrote:

My (Sheffield) local surgery got stock in late September, but not
offering it to anyone non-vulnerable under 65 -

2 different vaccines

https://lloydspharmacy.com/pages/flu-vaccination

"This year the NHS has recommended the use of 2 different vaccinations;
Fluad (adjuvanted trivalent influenza vaccine) for those aged 65 and
over and a Quadrivalent vaccine for those aged 18 to 65. Both will
help protect from flu, however research shows Fluad is a more
appropriate vaccine in those aged 65 and over."

Both unavailable ...

With all due respect, and not that I've got any particular interest in
this topic, LLoyds are a pile of ****e*, to use the technical term.

They're pretty dreadful here, too. Completely closed one day last week
because the pharmacist didn't turn up. Last year some strong letters were
sent to Head Office - didn't help.


"Other branches are available" as the saying goes.

Wigan is a bit of a hike from Surrey, don't you think ?

https://www.nhs.uk/services/pharmacy...gs-and-reviews


michael adams

On 17/10/2020 13:10, michael adams wrote:
"Andrew" wrote in message
...
On 17/10/2020 10:48, charles wrote:
In article , michael adams
wrote:

"Andy Burns" wrote in message
...
charles wrote:

RJH wrote:

My (Sheffield) local surgery got stock in late September, but not
offering it to anyone non-vulnerable under 65 -

2 different vaccines

https://lloydspharmacy.com/pages/flu-vaccination

"This year the NHS has recommended the use of 2 different vaccinations;
Fluad (adjuvanted trivalent influenza vaccine) for those aged 65 and
over and a Quadrivalent vaccine for those aged 18 to 65. Both will
help protect from flu, however research shows Fluad is a more
appropriate vaccine in those aged 65 and over."

Both unavailable ...

With all due respect, and not that I've got any particular interest in
this topic, LLoyds are a pile of ****e*, to use the technical term.

They're pretty dreadful here, too. Completely closed one day last week
because the pharmacist didn't turn up. Last year some strong letters were
sent to Head Office - didn't help.


"Other branches are available" as the saying goes.

Wigan is a bit of a hike from Surrey, don't you think ?

https://www.nhs.uk/services/pharmacy...gs-and-reviews


michael adams



But you can get a nice steak pie in a bun while you are there.

There doesn't seem to have been much flu down under in the last 6
months though, which usually indicates what we get.

Andrew wrote:

There doesn't seem to have been much flu down under in the last 6
months though, which usually indicates what we get.

Whether covid already got all the people who would have been got by flu,
or whether increased hygiene helped, or whether people aren't going
anywhere near the doctors just because they think they have flu?

https://www1.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/cda-surveil-ozflu-flucurr.htm/$File/flu-13-2020.pdf

In article ,
Andy Burns wrote:
Andrew wrote:

There doesn't seem to have been much flu down under in the last 6
months though, which usually indicates what we get.

Whether covid already got all the people who would have been got by flu,
or whether increased hygiene helped, or whether people aren't going
anywhere near the doctors just because they think they have flu?

https://www1.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/cda-surveil-ozflu-flucurr.htm/$File/flu-13-2020.pdf

Any effective measures in place to reduce the transmission of Covid would
also reduce the transmission of flu?

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Dave Plowman wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Whether covid already got all the people who would have been got by flu,
or whether increased hygiene helped, or whether people aren't going
anywhere near the doctors just because they think they have flu?

https://www1.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/cda-surveil-ozflu-flucurr.htm/$File/flu-13-2020.pdf

Any effective measures in place to reduce the transmission of Covid would
also reduce the transmission of flu?

That was what I meant by hygiene measures, really ...

On 15/10/2020 20:34, Michael Chare wrote:

The government claims there is plenty of vaccine, but the local medical
practice has so far not agreed to vaccinate me as they usually do, and
none of the local pharmacies have any vaccine.

That may or may not be a true claim; who knows, with this government.
Note though they didn't claim it was all in the right places.

On 17/10/2020 12:21, Andrew wrote:
On 17/10/2020 09:19, Jim GM4 DHJ ... wrote:
On 16/10/2020 20:14, Radio Man wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Â*Â*Â* Andy Bennet wrote:
Wifey rocked up at our local ASDA store pharmacy yesterday for a jab -
no booking, no queue, no fuss, in and out in 5 mins. £8

My local ASDA is about the same distance as my GP surgery. Where it was
free...


If you are eligible for it free you can get it in a pharmacy free my
parents do this it saves a longer trip.



I had to go to the local fitbo ground something I swore I would never
do because I hate fitba......

Celtic or Rangers (wearing the wrong scarf) ?
doesn't bear thinking about...but it was St Mirren ....

In article ,
newshound wrote:
On 15/10/2020 20:34, Michael Chare wrote:

The government claims there is plenty of vaccine, but the local medical
practice has so far not agreed to vaccinate me as they usually do, and
none of the local pharmacies have any vaccine.

That may or may not be a true claim; who knows, with this government.
Note though they didn't claim it was all in the right places.

That's an odd thing to say. It will be distributed as needed. With a delay
between the order going in and arrival - same as everything.

It is no surprise many places haven't ordered up enough. Judging by my
friends, demand is much higher than last year.

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On 16/10/2020 14:57, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
charles wrote:
In article , NY wrote:
"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
idual.net...
On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 21:53:28 +0100, T i m wrote:

So, the last time I tried to phone our surgery I started at 13 in the
queue and got though about an hour later ... only to be told I'd have
to phone again the next morning as all the 'call-you-back' virtual
appointments had been taken?

Why is it that doctors' receptionists think that it is acceptable to say
"phone tomorrow for an appointment" instead of saying "he can't see you
today but he can see you in two days' time"? There seems to be an
aversion to booking appointments fro any day other than the day you are
phoning. You end up phoning each day, only to be told "there are no
appointments today so you'll have to try phoning tomorrow".

I believe a central Government directive is to blame.

I phoned my surgery and was given an appointment for a flue jab there and
then. A couple of weeks later. But in plenty time for the normal start of
the flue season.

Ours were last week. When we were away. The catch-up date is late November.

On 17/10/2020 11:05, Jimk wrote:
nightjar Wrote in message:
....
When I had the jab at my local surgery, a few days ago, I asked about
the supply problem and they said that, after an underestimate of demand
for the first session that left them short on that day, they now had all
they needed. That with them running a walk-in clinic and no prior
knowledge of how many people might turn up, although they would know how
many three nurses could inject, working non-stop during the hours the
clinic was open.


As long as nosy old farts stopped asking questions & got on with it....


Most of the time was spent waiting in a queue, with plenty of time to
ask questions of the admin staff who were doing the marshalling.

--
Colin Bignell

On 17/10/2020 09:34, charles wrote:
....
I doubt if they 'have' that number; they have probably ordered that number
and it will supplied in batches. There may be temporary local shortages. I
think the vaccine has a fairly short shelf life.

Six to twelve months, depending upon the type.

--
Colin Bignell

On 17/10/2020 09:25, Jimk wrote:
Robert Wrote in message:
On 16/10/2020 22:15, Jimk wrote:
Robert Wrote in message:
On 16/10/2020 14:55, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
Wifey rocked up at our local ASDA store pharmacy yesterday for a jab -
no booking, no queue, no fuss, in and out in 5 mins. £8

But that involves the whisper private sector /w which will make a
whisper profit/w. Shich horror! Our Dave will have conniptions,
whatever they may be.

Now explain how a chemist is private sector (when the majority of its
income is from the NHS) while a GP surgery isn't. Although I expect it
will tax what passes for your brain.

But thanks for confirming you are happy to pay for a jab 'from the private
sector' you can get for free from your GP.

I'm sure your Harley Street doctor would do a flue jab on demand too.
Although likely not for £8.

You will get it Free at ASDA or other private pharmacies if you are
entitled to one under the NHS scheme.
Agree getting them at a High Street or Supermarket Pharmacy is often a
lot less hassle than at the GPs.
I used to always use my local independent Pharmacy for a walk in appt.


How do you prove your entitlement in Asda ?

Exactly like with a prescription - you don't have to prove it just claim it.


A prescription being a piece of paper signed by a medical
professional?, unless you have selected your online pharmacist,
whence "paperless" things can happen (even though they give me a
paper repeat order form with your item(s) )

Accepted, but you dont have to prove you are entitled to free
prescriptions you just tick a box and sign.

On 16/10/2020 18:03, T i m wrote:

So the automated call the Mrs took re the flu jab and hung up on a
couple of weeks ago, thinking 'we weren't interested' was likely for
her (70) , not me (64)?

Only your surgery would know. Your surgery may be very efficient and do
you both at the same time.



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On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 20:15:04 +0100, alan_m
wrote:

On 16/10/2020 18:03, T i m wrote:

So the automated call the Mrs took re the flu jab and hung up on a
couple of weeks ago, thinking 'we weren't interested' was likely for
her (70) , not me (64)?

Only your surgery would know.

Yeah, I might getroundtu ringing them on Monday ... ;-(

I'm really crap at that (I get bored easily) and she probably wouldn't
do it (these days) because 'she wouldn't know what to ask for or say
and get flustered ...' . ;-(

Your surgery may be very efficient and do
you both at the same time.

Even though I'm under the current age threshold?

Cheers, T i m

Robert Wrote in message:
On 17/10/2020 09:25, Jimk wrote:
Robert Wrote in message:
On 16/10/2020 22:15, Jimk wrote:
Robert Wrote in message:
On 16/10/2020 14:55, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
Wifey rocked up at our local ASDA store pharmacy yesterday for a jab -
no booking, no queue, no fuss, in and out in 5 mins. £8

But that involves the whisper private sector /w which will make a
whisper profit/w. Shich horror! Our Dave will have conniptions,
whatever they may be.

Now explain how a chemist is private sector (when the majority of its
income is from the NHS) while a GP surgery isn't. Although I expect it
will tax what passes for your brain.

But thanks for confirming you are happy to pay for a jab 'from the private
sector' you can get for free from your GP.

I'm sure your Harley Street doctor would do a flue jab on demand too.
Although likely not for £8.

You will get it Free at ASDA or other private pharmacies if you are
entitled to one under the NHS scheme.
Agree getting them at a High Street or Supermarket Pharmacy is often a
lot less hassle than at the GPs.
I used to always use my local independent Pharmacy for a walk in appt.


How do you prove your entitlement in Asda ?

Exactly like with a prescription - you don't have to prove it just claim it.


A prescription being a piece of paper signed by a medical
professional?, unless you have selected your online pharmacist,
whence "paperless" things can happen (even though they give me a
paper repeat order form with your item(s) )

Accepted, but you dont have to prove you are entitled to free
prescriptions you just tick a box and sign.


Unless asked for proof at my chemist...
--
Jimk


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In article ,
nightjar wrote:
On 17/10/2020 11:05, Jimk wrote:
nightjar Wrote in message:
...
When I had the jab at my local surgery, a few days ago, I asked about
the supply problem and they said that, after an underestimate of demand
for the first session that left them short on that day, they now had all
they needed. That with them running a walk-in clinic and no prior
knowledge of how many people might turn up, although they would know how
many three nurses could inject, working non-stop during the hours the
clinic was open.


As long as nosy old farts stopped asking questions & got on with it....


Most of the time was spent waiting in a queue, with plenty of time to
ask questions of the admin staff who were doing the marshalling.

My appointment was 1535. And there was no queue. One other person being
attended to inside the partitioned room. Another arrived as I left.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
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Paul wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:
charles wrote:

RJH wrote:

My (Sheffield) local surgery got stock in late September, but not
offering it to anyone non-vulnerable under 65 -

2 different vaccines

https://lloydspharmacy.com/pages/flu-vaccination

"This year the NHS has recommended the use of 2 different
vaccinations; Fluad (adjuvanted trivalent influenza vaccine) for those
aged 65 and over and a Quadrivalent vaccine for those aged 18 to 65.
Both will help protect from flu, however research shows Fluad is a
more appropriate vaccine in those aged 65 and over."

Both unavailable ...

https://www.fda.gov/media/94583/download

https://www.fda.gov/media/135432/download

Now that my country has put up the proper web pages
with the listing on them, I've since discovered
we've contracted with at least four companies
for flu vaccine. This makes it particularly
difficult to guess what you're getting (whatever
vial happens to be in the fridge).

Fluad is officially supposed to be deliver at the
end of this month. I found a delivery schedule,
but it's only suitable as an example, and not
to be trusted.

Another high-dose brand, without adjuvant was
delivered first. And that's what has just run out
here, was the first batch.

Fluad is being delivered to multiple countries.
No way of knowing how many factories are used,
or whether there is a country-specific variation.

But there can also be more local suppliers to you.

Only if someone chooses to list all the suppliers,
will you know the range of what is available.

People in government, would have known who was
supplying vaccine, since around July. But for a
certain reason, did not want to disclose this to
all and sundry, in advance. They chose to let
multiple contracts, with smaller quantities for
each, as a hedge against the same sort of surprises
that happened with masks this year.

Good luck on your supply.

All our shots are by appointment only this year,
which means you might well show up and discover
they've run out. I would not expect to be phoned
in advance if that happened.

I still like to read the material datasheets,
especially if there happen to be side-effects
and you want to know later, what to watch for
next time. For example, one of our suppliers
does not list "eggs" as the media used for prep.
If you had a reaction to that, you'd want to
make a note.

Paul

In article ,
Robert wrote:
A prescription being a piece of paper signed by a medical
professional?, unless you have selected your online pharmacist,
whence "paperless" things can happen (even though they give me a
paper repeat order form with your item(s) )

Accepted, but you dont have to prove you are entitled to free
prescriptions you just tick a box and sign.

The prescription is issued by your doctor. All the pharmacist has to do is
check you are who you say you are when picking it up. A very different
matter from just turning up at the pharmacist demanding a free jab.

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On 18/10/2020 00:30, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
nightjar wrote:
....
Most of the time was spent waiting in a queue, with plenty of time to
ask questions of the admin staff who were doing the marshalling.

My appointment was 1535. And there was no queue. One other person being
attended to inside the partitioned room. Another arrived as I left.


This was the first year they did a walk-in clinic, rather than one
minute appointments. It made it a lot less convenient, as there was a
queue out in the street and around a corner. However, in previous years
there was a single nurse doing the jabs with the normal surgeries going
on as well. This time, the whole practice shut down, apart from the
vaccinations, with three nurses doing injections in three separate rooms
and lots of support staff marshalling people, to ensure proper distancing.

--
Colin Bignell

On 17/10/2020 20:15, alan_m wrote:
On 16/10/2020 18:03, T i m wrote:

So the automated call the Mrs took re the flu jab and hung up on a
couple of weeks ago, thinking 'we weren't interested' was likely for
her (70) , not me (64)?

Only your surgery would know.Â* Your surgery may be very efficient and do
you both at the same time.

Or not. My partner got a flu jab when she went in for a blood test, but
when she asked if I could get one as well (I was waiting outside), they
said that wasn't possible.

--
Colin Bignell

In article ,
nightjar wrote:
On 18/10/2020 00:30, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
nightjar wrote:
...
Most of the time was spent waiting in a queue, with plenty of time to
ask questions of the admin staff who were doing the marshalling.

My appointment was 1535. And there was no queue. One other person being
attended to inside the partitioned room. Another arrived as I left.


This was the first year they did a walk-in clinic, rather than one
minute appointments. It made it a lot less convenient, as there was a
queue out in the street and around a corner. However, in previous years
there was a single nurse doing the jabs with the normal surgeries going
on as well. This time, the whole practice shut down, apart from the
vaccinations, with three nurses doing injections in three separate rooms
and lots of support staff marshalling people, to ensure proper
distancing.

In previous years, the flue jab at my GP was just turn up and wait (on a
particular day, as I suspect they got specialist staff in to do them)

Because of Covid, they rightly decided they didn't want people queueing or
waiting - hence the 5 minute appointments. And doing it on a Saturday
afternoon when the surgery would normally be closed. My local hospital is
the same - telling you not to turn up early for any appointment.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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On 16/10/2020 17:44:24, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 16 Oct 2020 14:48:25 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
Only a nationalised industry could get away with this sort of ********.

I'd have thought even you knew that a doctor's surgery isn't nationalised.
Nor are (most) chemists.

Not that it would stop you making things up.

There was a time when the Squeaker Goblin was a reasonable a rational
person, now, he (or whoever has taken over his account) constantly
shows themselves to be a completer and utter dick. ;-(

There was a time when you supplied a rational argument, before
fanaticism took over.