Considering getting full fibre instead of FTC as I have at the moment.
Does the existing phone line stay, or does the new fibre cable include
provision for a basic analogue phone?

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 12 Oct 2020 at 11:14:13 BST, ""Dave Plowman" News)"
wrote:

Considering getting full fibre instead of FTC as I have at the moment.
Does the existing phone line stay, or does the new fibre cable include
provision for a basic analogue phone?

Apart from a few dozen experimental exchanges, the copper stays; for the
moment.

--
Roger Hayter

On 12/10/2020 11:23, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 12 Oct 2020 at 11:14:13 BST, ""Dave Plowman" News)"
wrote:

Considering getting full fibre instead of FTC as I have at the moment.
Does the existing phone line stay, or does the new fibre cable include
provision for a basic analogue phone?

Apart from a few dozen experimental exchanges, the copper stays; for the
moment.

But it may not be connected to the exchange...
That is what my engineer said.

So you can have

'Just FTTP' and organise your own backup for power fail, and VOIP. No
copper involved, although it's there.

'Our VOIP and FTTP' where you organise your own backup, but plug into
POTS socket on the fibre modem. No copper involved, although it's there.

'FTTP and POTS' as two entirely separate and independent services...
backup on POTS included as per battery at the exchange etc.

Which is what I have, currently.

--
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conventions is invited to try transgressing those conventions from the
windows of my apartment. (I live on the twenty-first floor.) "

Alan Sokal

On 12 Oct 2020 10:23:13 GMT, Roger Hayter wrote:

Considering getting full fibre instead of FTC as I have at the
moment.

Apart from a few dozen experimental exchanges, the copper stays; for
the moment.

Those "few dozen exchanges" must all be clustered around here then,
'cause the amount of "full fibre" is popping up is constantly
expanding. And that's only the easy stuff to spot, up poles...

With the analogue PSTN being switched off at the end of 2025 and the
Universal Service Obligation now in place things are going to be
instresting. There are numerous places around here that have no xDSL
service to hang a SOTAP connection on.

IMHO anyone who has "superfast" ( 24 Mbps) broadband shouldn't get
any further upgrade until every one has at least USO broadband
provision.

--
Cheers
Dave.

On 12/10/2020 11:14, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Considering getting full fibre instead of FTC as I have at the moment.
Does the existing phone line stay, or does the new fibre cable include
provision for a basic analogue phone?


Why ?. where you live your download speed will do everything you want.
Only houses full of teenagers are likely to benefit from full fibre,
surely ?.

On 12 Oct 2020 at 11:47:27 BST, "Andrew"
wrote:

On 12/10/2020 11:14, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Considering getting full fibre instead of FTC as I have at the moment.
Does the existing phone line stay, or does the new fibre cable include
provision for a basic analogue phone?


Why ?. where you live your download speed will do everything you want.
Only houses full of teenagers are likely to benefit from full fibre,
surely ?.

I was quite surprised how my FTC connection (3MB/s wifi, 7MB/s ethernet
download) copes - Netflix super-HD 4k streams without interruption, even over
wifi. Very occasionally, when rewinding say, the resolution drops for a few
seconds.

But obviously, mileages vary, depending on, er, habits ;-)

I gather 5G is set to change all of this for possibly quite a few households,
if and when they sort out the procurement. I know a couple of families that
manage well enough on unlimited 4G and wifi tethering.

--
Cheers, Rob

On 12 Oct 2020 at 11:37:53 BST, "The Natural Philosopher"
wrote:

On 12/10/2020 11:23, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 12 Oct 2020 at 11:14:13 BST, ""Dave Plowman" News)"

wrote:

Considering getting full fibre instead of FTC as I have at the moment.
Does the existing phone line stay, or does the new fibre cable include
provision for a basic analogue phone?

Apart from a few dozen experimental exchanges, the copper stays; for the
moment.

But it may not be connected to the exchange...
That is what my engineer said.

So you can have

'Just FTTP' and organise your own backup for power fail, and VOIP. No
copper involved, although it's there.

'Our VOIP and FTTP' where you organise your own backup, but plug into
POTS socket on the fibre modem. No copper involved, although it's there.

'FTTP and POTS' as two entirely separate and independent services...
backup on POTS included as per battery at the exchange etc.

Which is what I have, currently.

Obviously you can do any of those things, but Openreach are not offering a
native FTTP plus VOIP solution with no copper except in some exchanges and
some new builds. Neither are BT wholesale or retail. The ONTs Openreach are
currently fitting have no 'phone socket and VOIP seems to be planned as a
function of ISP (or customers') routers; or, indeed, VOIP only boxes which
plug into the ONT.

--
Roger Hayter

On 12/10/2020 11:23, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 12 Oct 2020 at 11:14:13 BST, ""Dave Plowman" News)"
wrote:

Considering getting full fibre instead of FTC as I have at the moment.
Does the existing phone line stay, or does the new fibre cable include
provision for a basic analogue phone?

Apart from a few dozen experimental exchanges, the copper stays; for the
moment.

https://www.cityfibre.com/
They have just run fibre down my street in Southend on Sea and they
appear to be offering fibre to the premises broadband in conjunction
with (EE?)

--
mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk

Dave Liquorice wrote:
On 12 Oct 2020 10:23:13 GMT, Roger Hayter wrote:

Considering getting full fibre instead of FTC as I have at the
moment.

Apart from a few dozen experimental exchanges, the copper stays; for
the moment.

Those "few dozen exchanges" must all be clustered around here then,
'cause the amount of "full fibre" is popping up is constantly
expanding. And that's only the easy stuff to spot, up poles...

In current Openreach installs the fibre overhead cable includes a copper
pair. They also don't as a rule uninstall your existing copper.

Non-Openreach installers may do something different.

Theo

On Monday, 12 October 2020 11:14:20 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Considering getting full fibre instead of FTC as I have at the moment.
Does the existing phone line stay, or does the new fibre cable include
provision for a basic analogue phone?

When we had FTTP installed, I plugged the phone into the socket on the optical box - and it was dead.

BT installer chap called base, and chatted around. Seems they sometimes move it over to digital, sometimes not. And not at all clear the basis of that decision.

Ended up, phone is still on copper.(We never use it, so no real difference for us.)

However there is an advantage, being on copper, it would still work during a power cut. On FTTP, it wouldn't unless you supply some sort of backup power yourself to the boxes.

In article ,
Theo wrote:
Dave Liquorice wrote:
On 12 Oct 2020 10:23:13 GMT, Roger Hayter wrote:

Considering getting full fibre instead of FTC as I have at the
moment.

Apart from a few dozen experimental exchanges, the copper stays; for
the moment.

Those "few dozen exchanges" must all be clustered around here then,
'cause the amount of "full fibre" is popping up is constantly
expanding. And that's only the easy stuff to spot, up poles...

In current Openreach installs the fibre overhead cable includes a copper
pair. They also don't as a rule uninstall your existing copper.

That's what I was wondering about. My present line is overhead to the
front of the house from a telegraph pole in the street. Ugly enough
without adding a second line.

Never quite worked out why most streets in this area, built at the same
time, have underground cabling.

Non-Openreach installers may do something different.

Theo

--
*The best cure for sea sickness, is to sit under a tree.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
RJH wrote:
I was quite surprised how my FTC connection (3MB/s wifi, 7MB/s ethernet
download) copes - Netflix super-HD 4k streams without interruption, even
over wifi. Very occasionally, when rewinding say, the resolution drops
for a few seconds.

My FTC gives 70 Mbps down, 20 up on a cabled PC. Rather slower on Wi-Fi.

But the router is first generation BT FTC (two units) so wondered if a new
one would be faster. I often get 'your bandwidth is low' on Zoom meetings.
Don't have a problem with catch up TV or streamed stuff though, usually.

--
*Until I was thirteen, I thought my name was SHUT UP .

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Monday, 12 October 2020 12:30:41 UTC+1, Roger Hayter wrote:


Obviously you can do any of those things, but Openreach are not offering a
native FTTP plus VOIP solution with no copper except in some exchanges and
some new builds. Neither are BT wholesale or retail. The ONTs Openreach are
currently fitting have no 'phone socket and VOIP seems to be planned as a
function of ISP (or customers') routers; or, indeed, VOIP only boxes which
plug into the ONT.

The ONT fitted on 03/12/2019 to our house has a physical phone socket.

Just not set up to work.

In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
RJH wrote:
I was quite surprised how my FTC connection (3MB/s wifi, 7MB/s ethernet
download) copes - Netflix super-HD 4k streams without interruption, even
over wifi. Very occasionally, when rewinding say, the resolution drops
for a few seconds.

My FTC gives 70 Mbps down, 20 up on a cabled PC. Rather slower on Wi-Fi.

But the router is first generation BT FTC (two units) so wondered if a new
one would be faster. I often get 'your bandwidth is low' on Zoom meetings.
Don't have a problem with catch up TV or streamed stuff though, usually.

I suspect your slow signal is due to conjestion in the system rather than
your local end. We have the same speeds here and last week there were two
Zoom meetings going on at the same time - no problem.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

On 12/10/2020 13:51, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
RJH wrote:
I was quite surprised how my FTC connection (3MB/s wifi, 7MB/s ethernet
download) copes - Netflix super-HD 4k streams without interruption, even
over wifi. Very occasionally, when rewinding say, the resolution drops
for a few seconds.

My FTC gives 70 Mbps down, 20 up on a cabled PC. Rather slower on Wi-Fi.

But the router is first generation BT FTC (two units) so wondered if a new
one would be faster. I often get 'your bandwidth is low' on Zoom meetings.
Don't have a problem with catch up TV or streamed stuff though, usually.


BBC Click (last saturday) showed a solution to that, that only needs
a few Kbytes/second thanks to something that nVidia are developing.

On 12/10/2020 14:08, charles wrote:
In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
RJH wrote:
I was quite surprised how my FTC connection (3MB/s wifi, 7MB/s ethernet
download) copes - Netflix super-HD 4k streams without interruption, even
over wifi. Very occasionally, when rewinding say, the resolution drops
for a few seconds.

My FTC gives 70 Mbps down, 20 up on a cabled PC. Rather slower on Wi-Fi.

But the router is first generation BT FTC (two units) so wondered if a new
one would be faster. I often get 'your bandwidth is low' on Zoom meetings.
Don't have a problem with catch up TV or streamed stuff though, usually.

I suspect your slow signal is due to conjestion in the system rather than
your local end. We have the same speeds here and last week there were two
Zoom meetings going on at the same time - no problem.


Do people actually need to see each other when having a multi-way
conversation, or is this a technological solution to a problem that
doesn't really exist ?.

In article ,
charles wrote:
I often get 'your bandwidth is low' on Zoom meetings.
Don't have a problem with catch up TV or streamed stuff though,
usually.

I suspect your slow signal is due to conjestion in the system rather
than your local end. We have the same speeds here and last week there
were two Zoom meetings going on at the same time - no problem.

What I suspect - although the message I get says *your* bandwidth is low.
But generally using the laptop on Wi-Fi. Even installed a range extender,
so the signal it gets is very good.

--
*WHAT IF THERE WERE NO HYPOTHETICAL QUESTIONS?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Mon, 12 Oct 2020 12:37:10 +0100, alan_m
wrote:


https://www.cityfibre.com/
They have just run fibre down my street in Southend on Sea and they
appear to be offering fibre to the premises broadband in conjunction
with (EE?)

How are they doing it? Digging trenches or using existing ducts.
Google give lots of answers about this but nothing that I've found
about how it's actually being done.

In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
charles wrote:
I often get 'your bandwidth is low' on Zoom meetings.
Don't have a problem with catch up TV or streamed stuff though,
usually.

I suspect your slow signal is due to conjestion in the system rather
than your local end. We have the same speeds here and last week there
were two Zoom meetings going on at the same time - no problem.

What I suspect - although the message I get says *your* bandwidth is low.
But generally using the laptop on Wi-Fi. Even installed a range extender,
so the signal it gets is very good.

Where is the message from?

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

In message , Andrew
writes
On 12/10/2020 13:51, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
RJH wrote:
I was quite surprised how my FTC connection (3MB/s wifi, 7MB/s ethernet
download) copes - Netflix super-HD 4k streams without interruption, even
over wifi. Very occasionally, when rewinding say, the resolution drops
for a few seconds.
My FTC gives 70 Mbps down, 20 up on a cabled PC. Rather slower on
Wi-Fi.
But the router is first generation BT FTC (two units) so wondered if
a new
one would be faster. I often get 'your bandwidth is low' on Zoom meetings.
Don't have a problem with catch up TV or streamed stuff though, usually.


BBC Click (last saturday) showed a solution to that, that only needs
a few Kbytes/second thanks to something that nVidia are developing.

I watched and failed to understand that. Perhaps you have local software
that delays and gap fills from a series of *stills*?

--
Tim Lamb

On 12/10/2020 15:09, Peter Johnson wrote:
On Mon, 12 Oct 2020 12:37:10 +0100, alan_m
wrote:


https://www.cityfibre.com/
They have just run fibre down my street in Southend on Sea and they
appear to be offering fibre to the premises broadband in conjunction
with (EE?)

How are they doing it? Digging trenches or using existing ducts.
Google give lots of answers about this but nothing that I've found
about how it's actually being done.



About 10 weeks ago a gang of 4 turned up and dug a hole at the end of
the street followed a bit later by a green cabinet being installed.
Since all I've seen is purple coloured cable being pulled through
existing ducts. I haven't seen any houses being connected up. Previous
we had a letter saying that the cable would be installed within a six
week period. We have also has the cold calling saleswoman knocking door
to door trying to get people to sign up. I'm not sure about the success
rate but who in their right minds would buy on the doorstep?

I did have a quick look at their offerings - maybe faster speeds for the
same price as I'm paying but I already get around 38Mbps/9Mbps so no
need for more speed. From memory the contract had to be with EE.

--
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Andrew wrote:

BBC Click (last saturday) showed a solution to that, that only needs
a few Kbytes/second thanks to something that nVidia are developing.

Something like a 3D cartoon head to fill in the missing bits?

In article ,
charles wrote:
In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
charles wrote:
I often get 'your bandwidth is low' on Zoom meetings.
Don't have a problem with catch up TV or streamed stuff though,
usually.

I suspect your slow signal is due to conjestion in the system rather
than your local end. We have the same speeds here and last week
there were two Zoom meetings going on at the same time - no problem.

What I suspect - although the message I get says *your* bandwidth is
low. But generally using the laptop on Wi-Fi. Even installed a range
extender, so the signal it gets is very good.

Where is the message from?

The Zoom app.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 12 Oct 2020 at 14:05:45 BST, "polygonum_on_google"
wrote:

On Monday, 12 October 2020 12:30:41 UTC+1, Roger Hayter wrote:


Obviously you can do any of those things, but Openreach are not offering a
native FTTP plus VOIP solution with no copper except in some exchanges and
some new builds. Neither are BT wholesale or retail. The ONTs Openreach are
currently fitting have no 'phone socket and VOIP seems to be planned as a
function of ISP (or customers') routers; or, indeed, VOIP only boxes which
plug into the ONT.

The ONT fitted on 03/12/2019 to our house has a physical phone socket.

Just not set up to work.

The one fitted to my house in June didn't! I think it is a recent change, as
they have decided not to use them. I.e. not to have a wholesale VOIP
solution.

--
Roger Hayter

On 12/10/2020 19:30, Andy Burns wrote:
Andrew wrote:

BBC Click (last saturday) showed a solution to that, that only needs
a few Kbytes/second thanks to something that nVidia are developing.

Something like a 3D cartoon head to fill in the missing bits?


actually it looked very much like the actual person !

In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
charles wrote:
In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
charles wrote:
I often get 'your bandwidth is low' on Zoom meetings.
Don't have a problem with catch up TV or streamed stuff though,
usually.

I suspect your slow signal is due to conjestion in the system rather
than your local end. We have the same speeds here and last week
there were two Zoom meetings going on at the same time - no problem.

What I suspect - although the message I get says *your* bandwidth is
low. But generally using the laptop on Wi-Fi. Even installed a range
extender, so the signal it gets is very good.

Where is the message from?

The Zoom app.

so Zoom is noting apoor connection between its home & your computer. Could
be anywhere.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

On 12/10/2020 13:30, polygonum_on_google wrote:
When we had FTTP installed, I plugged the phone into the socket on the optical box - and it was dead.

I tried ours. The new socket was outgoing calls only. If we want the
'phone to ring we have to use POTS. Which is annoying as the POTS socket
is not in a convenient place.

I haven't tried for a couple of years though.

Andy

on 12/10/2020, Peter Johnson supposed :
How are they doing it? Digging trenches or using existing ducts.
Google give lots of answers about this but nothing that I've found
about how it's actually being done.

Virgin did the whole village a few years ago, then struggled to sell
it. The used a narrow trench cutter machine, making a trench about 5"
wide, dropped the fibre in, leading to the boxes, then from the box to
the end of everyone's front garden, where the installed a small plastic
box. Where people subscribed, they ran from the box up the garden or
drive to the houses. They included a service to every bus stop too, for
the bus information displays.

On Mon, 12 Oct 2020 20:40:53 +0100, Andrew wrote:

BBC Click (last saturday) showed a solution to that, that only
needs
a few Kbytes/second thanks to something that nVidia are
developing.

Something like a 3D cartoon head to fill in the missing bits?

Max Headroom?

actually it looked very much like the actual person !

Yep, Max Headroom.

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Mon, 12 Oct 2020 15:38:45 +0100, alan_m wrote:

From memory the contract had to be with EE.

Most if not all none Openreach physical broadband providers only
offer a single ISP be that one they also run or one contracted in. So
no choice of ISP like you get of OPENreach.

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Mon, 12 Oct 2020 13:51:57 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

I often get 'your bandwidth is low' on Zoom meetings.
Don't have a problem with catch up TV or streamed stuff though, usually.

"usually" indicates that you sometimes do. Zoom or iPlayer never
complain about low bandwidth here. When does it happen? The "evening
slowdown" around 1800 to 2100? Indicates the local conention is a bit
on the high side.

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Mon, 12 Oct 2020 15:36:51 +0100, Tim Lamb wrote:

BBC Click (last saturday) showed a solution to that, that only
needs
a few Kbytes/second thanks to something that nVidia are
developing.

I watched and failed to understand that. Perhaps you have local software
that delays and gap fills from a series of *stills*?

Seemed reasonably clear. There is a reference still image that has a
number of key points defined. The movement of those key points on the
real subject is tracked by software and that data sent to the reciver
where the key points on the still image are moved accordingly.

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Mon, 12 Oct 2020 14:45:03 +0100, Andrew wrote:

Do people actually need to see each other when having a multi-way
conversation, ...

Seeing the facial expression and body language does add something.

... or is this a technological solution to a problem that doesn't really
exist ?.

But the technology isn't quite there yet so the overall experience
isn't quite as good a clear voice only conference call. The delay,
variable frame rates and variable quality sound just make it hard
work which is not fully compensated for by the additionof facial
expressions/body langauage.

--
Cheers
Dave.

On 12 Oct 2020 12:59:25 +0100 (BST), Theo wrote:

In current Openreach installs the fibre overhead cable includes a copper
pair.

Ok, though the very similar cumstomer fibre "dropwire" system I saw a
few years back had no copper signal pair. It did have steel strainer
wires though...

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Mon, 12 Oct 2020 22:48:13 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:

snip

Something like a 3D cartoon head to fill in the missing bits?

Max Headroom?

actually it looked very much like the actual person !

Yep, Max Headroom.

I watched that series the first (only?) time round and thought it was
cool, especially at that t-t-t-t-t-t-time, well, mostly the
MaxmaxMAXmax H-h-h-h-h-h-headroom bitzzzzzzzzz.

I think I had a Max headroom PC program that repeated what you said
real time. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

On 12/10/2020 11:14, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Considering getting full fibre instead of FTC as I have at the moment.
Does the existing phone line stay,

Generally the new fibre is completely separate from any existing POTS
install.

or does the new fibre cable include
provision for a basic analogue phone?

Yes, in more than one way, but they are likely not used at this stage.

The typical fibre cable that Openreach drop to the premises does
actually carry a single (very fine) copper pair as well that could in
theory carry a POTS line. However chances are the other end is not
actually connected to anything. (and apparently, the fitters don't like
trying use it since it has a hard PTFE insulation which is a bugger to
strip with breaking the cores!)

Going forward, the plan it to replace/retire the copper for the local
loop anyway, and the phone provision be provided by a VoIP adaptor on
the end of the fibre network.

(consumers ordering phone only systems would get a FTTP connection
running a 0.5 Mbps service feeding a VoIP terminator)



--
Cheers,

John.

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On 12/10/2020 15:38, alan_m wrote:

About 10 weeks ago a gang of 4 turned up and dug a hole at the end of
the street followed a bit later by aÂ* green cabinet being installed.
Since all I've seen is purple coloured cable being pulled through
existing ducts. I haven't seen any houses being connected up. Previous
we had a letter saying that the cable would be installed within a six
week period. We have also has the cold calling saleswoman knocking door
to door trying to get people to sign up. I'm not sure about the success
rate but who in their right minds would buy on the doorstep?

I suspect that that had someone turned up here offering FTTP when we
were all stuck with 6km of ADSL soggy sting and 1.5Mbps if you are luck,
they would have had their hand bitten off up to the ankle!

I did have a quick look at their offerings - maybe faster speeds for the
same price as I'm paying but I already get around 38Mbps/9Mbps so no
need for more speed.Â* From memory the contract had to be with EE.

You may get lower latency and jitter as well as faster speeds. However
much depends on what you do with it as well as the capabilities of the
ISP, since it sounds like you are on a 40/10 FTTC setup running at close
to theoretical max speed anyway (and could no doubt go to 80/20)


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Cheers,

John.

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On 12/10/2020 15:07, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
charles wrote:
I often get 'your bandwidth is low' on Zoom meetings.
Don't have a problem with catch up TV or streamed stuff though,
usually.

I suspect your slow signal is due to conjestion in the system rather
than your local end. We have the same speeds here and last week there
were two Zoom meetings going on at the same time - no problem.

What I suspect - although the message I get says *your* bandwidth is low.
But generally using the laptop on Wi-Fi. Even installed a range extender,
so the signal it gets is very good.

Sometimes depends on what you mean by a "good" signal. Had a case
recently where a widi network would give a solid 4 to 5 bars everywhere,
but the throughput was abysmal. (to much interference / competition from
surrounding networks)


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Cheers,

John.

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On Tue, 13 Oct 2020 00:49:00 +0100, John Rumm wrote:

Going forward, the plan it to replace/retire the copper for the local
loop anyway, and the phone provision be provided by a VoIP adaptor on
the end of the fibre network.

End of the digtal network would be more accurate. The PSTN is being
phased out and shutdown by the end of 2025 but the digtal replacement
will still be using a lot of copper for SOTAP (ADSL), SOGEA (VDSL) or
G,Fast (SOGFast) from the exchange or cabinet. That's assuming the
copper is short enough, which for the vast majority of lines it will
be.

(consumers ordering phone only systems would get a FTTP connection
running a 0.5 Mbps service feeding a VoIP terminator)

Upgrade to FTTP is more of an exchange/local area infrastruture
change. They ain't going to put fibre in for a single "phone" line.
They'll use the existing copper for one of the above SO...'s and in
the fullness of time that may get the infrastructure upgrade to FTTP.

--
Cheers
Dave.

On 12 Oct 2020 at 13:51:57 BST, ""Dave Plowman" News)"
wrote:

In article ,
RJH wrote:
I was quite surprised how my FTC connection (3MB/s wifi, 7MB/s ethernet
download) copes - Netflix super-HD 4k streams without interruption, even
over wifi. Very occasionally, when rewinding say, the resolution drops
for a few seconds.

My FTC gives 70 Mbps down, 20 up on a cabled PC. Rather slower on Wi-Fi.

Bytes-bits - much the same as my connection. I've just added a cheap mesh
system - works very well, but I'm not sure now where the bottleneck is -
device or mesh. But it works fine, and considerably better than the access
points, power plugs etc. Best of all is the wifi calling (low mobile signal)
and the wifi cameras 'load' in about half the time on the phone app.


But the router is first generation BT FTC (two units) so wondered if a new
one would be faster. I often get 'your bandwidth is low' on Zoom meetings.
Don't have a problem with catch up TV or streamed stuff though, usually.

I gather some of the BT routers are pretty good - to the point firmware has
been developed to hack them and enable wider use.

Funny you should mention Zoom - I have regular Zoom meetings with 10-20
students, and union meetings with 100+ (only about half have the video on
though). The computer is connected by wifi right now - usually it's gigabit
ethernet. No difference that I can see.

I suspect the issue for you is their end - might be worth isolating that as a
cause?

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Cheers, Rob