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Some time ago, I asked about setting up a link between two properties - over and down a road. Not a huge distance. Line of sight except when a lorry is delivering something.
A direct connection using a standard LAN extender proved not to be up to it, so I decided to do it properly. Got a pair of devices and set them up. TP-LINK CPE510 Pharos Outdoor 5Ghz 13dBi WiFi 4 Point-to-Point PtP Link Easy to set up. Simple POE. Can be used outside. I found that one can be placed on a window sill, so a pane of glass is in the way. The other is in the garage, through the single-brick wall immediately adjacent to the garage door. Despite this, they work very well. If they didn't, I have options for putting them actually outside. (I am sure that for a greater distance, it would have to be outside.) In the remote property, an Ethernet cable from the CPE510 to an older Netgear LAN extender/AP covers the whole property just fine - on both 5 and 2 GHz. Things like printing and file sharing are exactly the same as in the prime property. I know this is a more costly approach, but I have future plans which justify doing this. It also feels good that it worked straight away and did not need playing about and fettling. No feeling of good money after bad because the first idea didn't work. |
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On 21/07/2020 15:36, polygonum_on_google wrote:
Some time ago, I asked about setting up a link between two properties - over and down a road. Not a huge distance. Line of sight except when a lorry is delivering something. A direct connection using a standard LAN extender proved not to be up to it, so I decided to do it properly. Got a pair of devices and set them up. TP-LINK CPE510 Pharos Outdoor 5Ghz 13dBi WiFi 4 Point-to-Point PtP Link Easy to set up. Simple POE. Can be used outside. I found that one can be placed on a window sill, so a pane of glass is in the way. The other is in the garage, through the single-brick wall immediately adjacent to the garage door. Despite this, they work very well. If they didn't, I have options for putting them actually outside. (I am sure that for a greater distance, it would have to be outside.) In the remote property, an Ethernet cable from the CPE510 to an older Netgear LAN extender/AP covers the whole property just fine - on both 5 and 2 GHz. Things like printing and file sharing are exactly the same as in the prime property. I know this is a more costly approach, but I have future plans which justify doing this. It also feels good that it worked straight away and did not need playing about and fettling. No feeling of good money after bad because the first idea didn't work. What do you call "not a great distance"? I have something similar to do but not at the price of the CPE510. TBH I was considering using a socket wifi extender. Possibly something from here https://www.bgelectrical.uk/wifi-sockets All I want is the next door but one neighbours to have access to my wifi. And there is a good reason for this. -- Adam |
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On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 17:14:31 +0100, ARW wrote:
https://www.bgelectrical.uk/wifi-sockets All I want is the next door but one neighbours to have access to my wifi. And there is a good reason for this. With another house between you I doubt that a simple "extender" will work. An extender needs to be able to "see" your WiFi AP, which might be hard with a WiFi socket stuffed into the bottom of a wall. Extenders also half the throughput. Is there any line of sight path between the two properties? There are some cheaper TP-Link kits on Broadband Buyer. Finding a couple of cheap APs with a detachable aerial and abilty to work in bridge mode is an option but then you need to buy external aerials... -- Cheers Dave. |
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On Tuesday, 21 July 2020 17:14:32 UTC+1, ARW wrote:
All I want is the next door but one neighbours to have access to my wifi. And there is a good reason for this. And you can't run a cable over the next-door neighbour? One access point may well be enough if it's mounted on the outside of your house on a wall facing or alongside the recipient. This is the cheaper version at £35 (2.4 GHz only) https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TP-LINK/283955146463 And you can get cheap access points on Ebay for a tenner up. I won't recommend one as some of them are locked to their own management software. If your neighbour can also use an external USB wifi receiver near his external wall facing you. Owain |
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On 21/07/2020 17:41, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 17:14:31 +0100, ARW wrote: https://www.bgelectrical.uk/wifi-sockets All I want is the next door but one neighbours to have access to my wifi. And there is a good reason for this. With another house between you I doubt that a simple "extender" will work. An extender needs to be able to "see" your WiFi AP, which might be hard with a WiFi socket stuffed into the bottom of a wall. Extenders also half the throughput. Is there any line of sight path between the two properties? Yes. 20m from my router to their back door. Window my side to wall their side. There are some cheaper TP-Link kits on Broadband Buyer. Finding a couple of cheap APs with a detachable aerial and abilty to work in bridge mode is an option but then you need to buy external aerials... -- Adam |
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On Tuesday, 21 July 2020 17:14:32 UTC+1, ARW wrote:
On 21/07/2020 15:36, polygonum_on_google wrote: Some time ago, I asked about setting up a link between two properties - over and down a road. Not a huge distance. Line of sight except when a lorry is delivering something. A direct connection using a standard LAN extender proved not to be up to it, so I decided to do it properly. Got a pair of devices and set them up.. TP-LINK CPE510 Pharos Outdoor 5Ghz 13dBi WiFi 4 Point-to-Point PtP Link Easy to set up. Simple POE. Can be used outside. I found that one can be placed on a window sill, so a pane of glass is in the way. The other is in the garage, through the single-brick wall immediately adjacent to the garage door. Despite this, they work very well. If they didn't, I have options for putting them actually outside. (I am sure that for a greater distance, it would have to be outside.) In the remote property, an Ethernet cable from the CPE510 to an older Netgear LAN extender/AP covers the whole property just fine - on both 5 and 2 GHz. Things like printing and file sharing are exactly the same as in the prime property. I know this is a more costly approach, but I have future plans which justify doing this. It also feels good that it worked straight away and did not need playing about and fettling. No feeling of good money after bad because the first idea didn't work. What do you call "not a great distance"? I have something similar to do but not at the price of the CPE510. TBH I was considering using a socket wifi extender. Possibly something from here https://www.bgelectrical.uk/wifi-sockets All I want is the next door but one neighbours to have access to my wifi. And there is a good reason for this. Maybe 100 metres or so. I did try a LAN extender - and we have two plug-in range extenders in use already for printer and TV. None was able to work at the required distance. At least, not through glass. The best I achieved was being able to see the network but not connect to it. The price is more than I wanted to pay but when I looked at the timescale (need it asap), and future uses I have planned, I went for it. The various extenders we've got are all pan-directional (or towards that - the flexi-aerials might allow some directionality) so even small increases in distance make a big difference. Whereas this CPE510 is very directional. When I first put it up, got it working, then inadvertently moved it a little and it stopped. Had to adjust it back. Easy to do, and not ridiculously fussy, but very different. Have you looked at the slightly less expensive CPE210? |
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On Tuesday, 21 July 2020 20:17:02 UTC+1, ARW wrote:
And you can't run a cable over the next-door neighbour? Probably can. Not sure if I have permission to run it over their land. I think you're allowed to if you ask them :-) Owain |
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On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 19:35:51 +0100, ARW wrote:
Is there any line of sight path between the two properties? Yes. 20m from my router to their back door. Window my side to wall their side. With your router in your window the signal might get through the wall. Best to do a RF survey. Can your phone, when in the neighbours house behind the wall: See your AP? How strong is that signal relative to others on the same channel? What What other channels are in use? What are the signal strengths there? Want to pick a channel(*) where your AP is one of the stronger signals. (*) On 2.4 GHz only channels 1, 6 & 11 don't mutually interfere with each other. If there is a strong signal on one of the other channels it may well be worth picking 1,6, or 11 that is furthest away from it. -- Cheers Dave. |
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On Tuesday, 21 July 2020 20:30:39 UTC+1, wrote:
On Tuesday, 21 July 2020 20:17:02 UTC+1, ARW wrote: And you can't run a cable over the next-door neighbour? Probably can. Not sure if I have permission to run it over their land. I think you're allowed to if you ask them :-) Owain Or mole it under their land and they might never know. Though always the risk they'll cut through it somehow. I suspect that if you put one device on a pole in each garden, high enough to get over any fences, etc., it would be just fine. So that gives an approach to aim for - each extra compromise reducing signal strength (effectively speed/reliability) a bit further. |
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On Tuesday, 21 July 2020 20:46:21 UTC+1, Dave Liquorice wrote:
(*) On 2.4 GHz only channels 1, 6 & 11 don't mutually interfere with each other. If there is a strong signal on one of the other channels it may well be worth picking 1,6, or 11 that is furthest away from it. Only if 20MHz channels are used. If two networks use 40MHz channels then it is impossible to avoid some overlap. John |
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On 21/07/2020 20:02, polygonum_on_google wrote:
On Tuesday, 21 July 2020 17:14:32 UTC+1, ARW wrote: On 21/07/2020 15:36, polygonum_on_google wrote: Some time ago, I asked about setting up a link between two properties - over and down a road. Not a huge distance. Line of sight except when a lorry is delivering something. A direct connection using a standard LAN extender proved not to be up to it, so I decided to do it properly. Got a pair of devices and set them up. TP-LINK CPE510 Pharos Outdoor 5Ghz 13dBi WiFi 4 Point-to-Point PtP Link Easy to set up. Simple POE. Can be used outside. I found that one can be placed on a window sill, so a pane of glass is in the way. The other is in the garage, through the single-brick wall immediately adjacent to the garage door. Despite this, they work very well. If they didn't, I have options for putting them actually outside. (I am sure that for a greater distance, it would have to be outside.) In the remote property, an Ethernet cable from the CPE510 to an older Netgear LAN extender/AP covers the whole property just fine - on both 5 and 2 GHz. Things like printing and file sharing are exactly the same as in the prime property. I know this is a more costly approach, but I have future plans which justify doing this. It also feels good that it worked straight away and did not need playing about and fettling. No feeling of good money after bad because the first idea didn't work. What do you call "not a great distance"? I have something similar to do but not at the price of the CPE510. TBH I was considering using a socket wifi extender. Possibly something from here https://www.bgelectrical.uk/wifi-sockets All I want is the next door but one neighbours to have access to my wifi. And there is a good reason for this. Maybe 100 metres or so. Before the VH had its own internet connection I used to use a flat panel directional antenna on a cheap dongle to connect back to my home network ~100m through a couple of roofs and one wall. I had intended in true DIY style to make a cantenna but ran out of time so bought one from Solwise. I did try a LAN extender - and we have two plug-in range extenders in use already for printer and TV. None was able to work at the required distance. At least, not through glass. The best I achieved was being able to see the network but not connect to it. You definitely need a directional antenna at least at one end. I found I could work my base station which does shaped beam with a remote 14dB gain antenna and the cheapest high gain dongle with a detatchable antenna that I could get from Morgan. They were intended to be sacrificial for testing the cantenna but worked so well I used then. The price is more than I wanted to pay but when I looked at the timescale (need it asap), and future uses I have planned, I went for it. The various extenders we've got are all pan-directional (or towards that - the flexi-aerials might allow some directionality) so even small increases in distance make a big difference. Whereas this CPE510 is very directional. When I first put it up, got it working, then inadvertently moved it a little and it stopped. Had to adjust it back. Easy to do, and not ridiculously fussy, but very different. Have you looked at the slightly less expensive CPE210? Snag with directional antennas is that they do have a fairly narrow beam. Pointing high gain yagi antennas to work distant 3/4G nodes are so tetchy I found I needed it on a pan tilt head to get it working. Mifi pebbles with external antenna facility are handy in remote places. It is my backup internet connection for when the wet string is broken. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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On Wednesday, 22 July 2020 08:56:41 UTC+1, Martin Brown wrote:
Have you looked at the slightly less expensive CPE210? Snag with directional antennas is that they do have a fairly narrow beam. Pointing high gain yagi antennas to work distant 3/4G nodes are so tetchy I found I needed it on a pan tilt head to get it working. Mifi pebbles with external antenna facility are handy in remote places. It is my backup internet connection for when the wet string is broken. In my precise circumstances, I can get away with "Yes, it is over there" - and just turn it a little. A greater distance would, I suspect, require greater precision. If the CPE510 link goes down, I'll just use my phone as a hotspot. Although I have unlimited data, it is slower, and it does mean I have to keep the phone plugged in much of the time. And, if I go out, nothing can do anything while I am out - such as big downloads or even just keeping mail up to date. When we first moved here, broadband was appalling. (I saw 0.07 Mbps download on more than one occasion.) So we tried a 4G device - bigger than a pebble but similar. Inside the house was fine, but its 4G connection was flaky. Sometimes quite good, but would frequently just collapse to very poor. EE support (for they were the supplier) suggested buying a second one... We gave up on 4G and tried ADSL, which was usually bad or awful. As soon as fibre to the premises became available, we went for it. |
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On Wednesday, 22 July 2020 09:39:05 UTC+1, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
Lets hope the person in between is not a ham or a short wave listener then. Brian It is line of sight. In one direction, any spill past would have no impact. In the other direction, I think it could only possibly affect a small number of premises. Do ham operators use 5 GHz? |
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On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 09:39:01 +0100, Brian Gaff \(Sofa\) wrote:
Lets hope the person in between is not a ham or a short wave listener then. Panic yee not Brian. The device ARW suggested is a WiFi Extender (aka repeater) built into a mains wall socket not a power line device. -- Cheers Dave. |
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On 22/07/2020 08:34, wrote:
On Tuesday, 21 July 2020 20:46:21 UTC+1, Dave Liquorice wrote: (*) On 2.4 GHz only channels 1, 6 & 11 don't mutually interfere with each other. If there is a strong signal on one of the other channels it may well be worth picking 1,6, or 11 that is furthest away from it. Only if 20MHz channels are used. If two networks use 40MHz channels then it is impossible to avoid some overlap. John In fact it is more complex than that. starting with the simple binary but false statement that 'only channels 1, 6 & 11 don't mutually interfere' (and the redundant 'with each other'). Yes, they do. The 2.4Ghz spectrum is used by spread spectrum devices. And no receiver has square shaped filters. And no modulation scheme that carries useful information doesn't generate sidebands all over the place. https://www.i-programmer.info/progra...ifi-works.html and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthog...n_multiplexing The reality is that not only can wifi share *exact* channels, using CSMA, but intermediate channels will work better if the three 'main' ones are already occupied, so to speak. In short you share some of your band with adjacent frequencies or even frequencies that are the same). The less adjacent they are the less they share, that's all. But Wifi is, all in all, a **** technique whose main virtue is that idiots can use it without wiring it up. Give me copper or fibre any day. -- When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in a society, over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it. Frédéric Bastiat |
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On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 01:57:14 -0700 (PDT), polygonum_on_google wrote:
It is line of sight. In one direction, any spill past would have no impact. In the other direction, I think it could only possibly affect a small number of premises. Do ham operators use 5 GHz? There is an allocation 5.65 GHz to 5.85 GHz, wether there is anybody there is another matter, given the limited range. Mind you you I don't know what the power limit is, I suspect it'll be somewhat more than the 100 or so mW allowed by "unlicensed" domestic WiFi kit and the use of high gain antennas. Amateurs have allocations right up to 241 GHz, if you want to go above 275 GHz you have to get a Notice Of Variation for your licence. -- Cheers Dave. |
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On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 11:05:21 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Yes, they do. The 2.4Ghz spectrum is used by spread spectrum devices. And no receiver has square shaped filters. And no modulation scheme that carries useful information doesn't generate sidebands all over the place. Wouldn't like to bet on that, though with WiFi we are talking cheap low power domestic kit. Recently bought a SDR-RTL dongle. Tuning around in Band IV I found a step in the noise level. Thought it must be a fault or some product of the receive system. However on closer investigation this step was the edge of one of the local terrestial DTTV multiplexes. Looked up the frequencies for the three multiplex's we have and yep similar steps at the channel edges for each of those. But Wifi is, all in all, a **** technique whose main virtue is that idiots can use it without wiring it up. Give me copper or fibre any day. +1 -- Cheers Dave. |
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On 22/07/2020 09:57, polygonum_on_google wrote:
On Wednesday, 22 July 2020 09:39:05 UTC+1, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote: Lets hope the person in between is not a ham or a short wave listener then. Brian It is line of sight. In one direction, any spill past would have no impact. In the other direction, I think it could only possibly affect a small number of premises. Do ham operators use 5 GHz? Course not. Brian is simply being an arse as usual. The actual modulation used is effectively - unless you have the keys - white noise AM centred around 5GHz. Just don't tell him how much power is zipping across the country in terms of 35GHz tight beam data links...or down from space from satellites.... -- Truth welcomes investigation because truth knows investigation will lead to converts. It is deception that uses all the other techniques. |
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On 21/07/2020 17:14, ARW wrote:
On 21/07/2020 15:36, polygonum_on_google wrote: Some time ago, I asked about setting up a link between two properties - over and down a road. Not a huge distance. Line of sight except when a lorry is delivering something. A direct connection using a standard LAN extender proved not to be up to it, so I decided to do it properly. Got a pair of devices and set them up. TP-LINK CPE510 Pharos Outdoor 5Ghz 13dBi WiFi 4 Point-to-Point PtP Link Easy to set up. Simple POE. Can be used outside. I found that one can be placed on a window sill, so a pane of glass is in the way. The other is in the garage, through the single-brick wall immediately adjacent to the garage door. Despite this, they work very well. If they didn't, I have options for putting them actually outside. (I am sure that for a greater distance, it would have to be outside.) In the remote property, an Ethernet cable from the CPE510 to an older Netgear LAN extender/AP covers the whole property just fine - on both 5 and 2 GHz. Things like printing and file sharing are exactly the same as in the prime property. I know this is a more costly approach, but I have future plans which justify doing this. It also feels good that it worked straight away and did not need playing about and fettling. No feeling of good money after bad because the first idea didn't work. What do you call "not a great distance"? I have something similar to do but not at the price of the CPE510. TBH I was considering using a socket wifi extender. Possibly something from here https://www.bgelectrical.uk/wifi-sockets WiFi extenders ideally need to be placed where they can both "see" the original network well, and also cover the area they are extending to wifi to. So the ideal point often being somewhere around midway between locations. So for this application, in the middle of the adjacent neighbour's house! All I want is the next door but one neighbours to have access to my wifi. And there is a good reason for this. Access to your wifi, or access to your internet service? (in many cases one would come with the other, but that does not need to be the case). -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 21/07/2020 20:17, ARW wrote:
On 21/07/2020 18:03, wrote: On Tuesday, 21 July 2020 17:14:32 UTC+1, ARWÂ* wrote: All I want is the next door but one neighbours to have access to my wifi. And there is a good reason for this. And you can't run a cable over the next-door neighbour? Probably can. Not sure if I have permission to run it over their land. Are the two houses on the same phase ?. I have asked this before when I wanted to know if I could use a pair of home plugs in separate, but closeby houses to send internet to the other. Most people here said it wouldn't work but nothing ventured nothing gained. Andrew |
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On Wednesday, 22 July 2020 12:13:23 UTC+1, John Rumm wrote:
WiFi extenders ideally need to be placed where they can both "see" the original network well, and also cover the area they are extending to wifi to. So the ideal point often being somewhere around midway between locations. So for this application, in the middle of the adjacent neighbour's house! When I pit forward the "on top of a post in the gardens" suggestion, I was mentally seeing the extender actually being used more as an access point and have a cable in the house, at least at one property. (The ones I have all have an ethernet port as well as aerials.) |
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On 22/07/2020 09:39, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
Lets hope the person in between is not a ham or a short wave listener then. Brian Trust me. They are not. -- Adam |
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ARW was thinking very hard :
I have something similar to do but not at the price of the CPE510. TBH I was considering using a socket wifi extender. Possibly something from here https://www.bgelectrical.uk/wifi-sockets All I want is the next door but one neighbours to have access to my wifi. And there is a good reason for this. I think those wifi sockets use mains signalling, so unlikely to work outside the same property. Make a pair of these - http://www.iw5edi.com/ham-radio/4026...0-el.-yagi,115 then modify a suitable pair of wifi routers, to use the yagi antennas in place of the built in antennas and you will have a system able to provide a link over several miles LOS. |
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Harry Bloomfield wrote:
ARW wrote: https://www.bgelectrical.uk/wifi-sockets I think those wifi sockets use mains signalling, From their FAQ "How does a Wi-Fi range extender socket work? By positioning the Wi-Fi socket halfway between your router and the area of poor reception, the range extender will relay the signal to further spread coverage." which implies it's a wifi repeater, not a powerline device |
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Andy Burns expressed precisely :
From their FAQ "How does a Wi-Fi range extender socket work? By positioning the Wi-Fi socket halfway between your router and the area of poor reception, the range extender will relay the signal to further spread coverage." which implies it's a wifi repeater, not a powerline device OK, but seems a very poor way to attempt to extend wifi, by wifi - using potentially poorly located sockets low down on walls. They would be halfway sensible if they used mains signalling to link the sockets. |
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Harry Bloomfield wrote:
seems a very poor way to attempt to extend wifi, by wifi - using potentially poorly located sockets low down on walls. with metal backboxes, or foil-lined plasterboard ... |
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Harry Bloomfield wrote: Andy Burns expressed precisely : From their FAQ "How does a Wi-Fi range extender socket work? By positioning the Wi-Fi socket halfway between your router and the area of poor reception, the range extender will relay the signal to further spread coverage." which implies it's a wifi repeater, not a powerline device OK, but seems a very poor way to attempt to extend wifi, by wifi - using potentially poorly located sockets low down on walls. They would be halfway sensible if they used mains signalling to link the sockets. Put them in the floor sockets ustairs -- from KT24 in Surrey, England "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle |
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On Friday, 24 July 2020 12:06:50 UTC+1, Andy Burns wrote:
seems a very poor way to attempt to extend wifi, by wifi - using potentially poorly located sockets low down on walls. with metal backboxes, or foil-lined plasterboard ... They should be okay without backboxes in wood skirting :-) Owain |
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On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 12:06:45 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:
seems a very poor way to attempt to extend wifi, by wifi - using potentially poorly located sockets low down on walls. with metal backboxes, or foil-lined plasterboard ... Ah but they are out of sight. No nasty box with distracting flashing lights up on a shelf with sticky up things and a wire running across the wall to a wall wart. The fact that in most houses they could cover the whole house with a single properly placed AP doesn't come into it. Not helped of course by the predominance of the "single box" containing, the modem, firewall/router, network switch and WiFi AP. This single box being again stuffed out of the way somewhere. -- Cheers Dave. |
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On 22/07/2020 12:13, John Rumm wrote:
On 21/07/2020 17:14, ARW wrote: On 21/07/2020 15:36, polygonum_on_google wrote: Some time ago, I asked about setting up a link between two properties - over and down a road. Not a huge distance. Line of sight except when a lorry is delivering something. A direct connection using a standard LAN extender proved not to be up to it, so I decided to do it properly. Got a pair of devices and set them up. TP-LINK CPE510 Pharos Outdoor 5Ghz 13dBi WiFi 4 Point-to-Point PtP Link Easy to set up. Simple POE. Can be used outside. I found that one can be placed on a window sill, so a pane of glass is in the way. The other is in the garage, through the single-brick wall immediately adjacent to the garage door. Despite this, they work very well. If they didn't, I have options for putting them actually outside. (I am sure that for a greater distance, it would have to be outside.) In the remote property, an Ethernet cable from the CPE510 to an older Netgear LAN extender/AP covers the whole property just fine - on both 5 and 2 GHz. Things like printing and file sharing are exactly the same as in the prime property. I know this is a more costly approach, but I have future plans which justify doing this. It also feels good that it worked straight away and did not need playing about and fettling. No feeling of good money after bad because the first idea didn't work. What do you call "not a great distance"? I have something similar to do but not at the price of the CPE510. TBH I was considering using a socket wifi extender. Possibly something from here https://www.bgelectrical.uk/wifi-sockets WiFi extenders ideally need to be placed where they can both "see" the original network well, and also cover the area they are extending to wifi to. So the ideal point often being somewhere around midway between locations. So for this application, in the middle of the adjacent neighbour's house! All I want is the next door but one neighbours to have access to my wifi. And there is a good reason for this. Access to your wifi, or access to your internet service? (in many cases one would come with the other, but that does not need to be the case). It will be my internet service. It's for the gf's lad so that he will stop and his grandparents more often and leave us in peace. He uses it ATM but the signal is weak in the house. -- Adam |
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On 24/07/2020 12:06, Andy Burns wrote:
Harry Bloomfield wrote: seems a very poor way to attempt to extend wifi, by wifi - using potentially poorly located sockets low down on walls. with metal backboxes, or foil-lined plasterboard ... Actually in this case the socket in my computer room is about horizontal to their sockets on the kitchen worktop. And that is the shortest distance between the two houses and is in direct line of sight. -- Adam |
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On Friday, 24 July 2020 18:20:58 UTC+1, ARW wrote:
On 22/07/2020 12:13, John Rumm wrote: On 21/07/2020 17:14, ARW wrote: On 21/07/2020 15:36, polygonum_on_google wrote: Some time ago, I asked about setting up a link between two properties - over and down a road. Not a huge distance. Line of sight except when a lorry is delivering something. A direct connection using a standard LAN extender proved not to be up to it, so I decided to do it properly. Got a pair of devices and set them up. TP-LINK CPE510 Pharos Outdoor 5Ghz 13dBi WiFi 4 Point-to-Point PtP Link Easy to set up. Simple POE. Can be used outside. I found that one can be placed on a window sill, so a pane of glass is in the way. The other is in the garage, through the single-brick wall immediately adjacent to the garage door. Despite this, they work very well. If they didn't, I have options for putting them actually outside. (I am sure that for a greater distance, it would have to be outside.) In the remote property, an Ethernet cable from the CPE510 to an older Netgear LAN extender/AP covers the whole property just fine - on both 5 and 2 GHz. Things like printing and file sharing are exactly the same as in the prime property. I know this is a more costly approach, but I have future plans which justify doing this. It also feels good that it worked straight away and did not need playing about and fettling. No feeling of good money after bad because the first idea didn't work. What do you call "not a great distance"? I have something similar to do but not at the price of the CPE510. TBH I was considering using a socket wifi extender. Possibly something from here https://www.bgelectrical.uk/wifi-sockets WiFi extenders ideally need to be placed where they can both "see" the original network well, and also cover the area they are extending to wifi to. So the ideal point often being somewhere around midway between locations. So for this application, in the middle of the adjacent neighbour's house! All I want is the next door but one neighbours to have access to my wifi. And there is a good reason for this. Access to your wifi, or access to your internet service? (in many cases one would come with the other, but that does not need to be the case). It will be my internet service. It's for the gf's lad so that he will stop and his grandparents more often and leave us in peace. He uses it ATM but the signal is weak in the house. In which case a simple LAN extender with better aerials will likely do the job. You might get away with just one. I don't think I'd go for the socket one. With a plug-in one, you can easily move it round trying to optimise the position. I see Lidl have one at £14.99 coming up soon. No idea as to how well that model works. |
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On Friday, 24 July 2020 18:20:58 UTC+1, ARW wrote:
It will be my internet service. It's for the gf's lad so that he will stop and his grandparents more often and leave us in peace. And why would you want to be left in peace ? ;-) Owain |
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On 24/07/2020 17:09, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 12:06:45 +0100, Andy Burns wrote: seems a very poor way to attempt to extend wifi, by wifi - using potentially poorly located sockets low down on walls. with metal backboxes, or foil-lined plasterboard ... Ah but they are out of sight. No nasty box with distracting flashing lights up on a shelf with sticky up things and a wire running across the wall to a wall wart. The fact that in most houses they could cover the whole house with a single properly placed AP doesn't come into it. Not helped of course by the predominance of the "single box" containing, the modem, firewall/router, network switch and WiFi AP. This single box being again stuffed out of the way somewhere. +1 The router is in the loft. its WiFi has been turned off. I put a Unifi AP in the centre of the house which is the hall ceiling.... |
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On Friday, 24 July 2020 18:24:08 UTC+1, ARW wrote:
On 24/07/2020 12:06, Andy Burns wrote: Harry Bloomfield wrote: seems a very poor way to attempt to extend wifi, by wifi - using potentially poorly located sockets low down on walls. with metal backboxes, or foil-lined plasterboard ... Actually in this case the socket in my computer room is about horizontal to their sockets on the kitchen worktop. And that is the shortest distance between the two houses and is in direct line of sight. If it has a metal backbox, or you have aluminium lined insulation, might not be so good in a socket. |
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