I've just acquired a bluetooth adapter for my W10 (1909) desktop PC and
have tried to set it up to provide hands-free control of my Moto G6+
phone running Android 9. [The phone works fine in my car - where I can
make and receive calls using the car's speaker and microphone.]

I was expecting the PC to work the same way but it doesn't! The phone
and PC pair ok using BT, and I can see my texts, photos, address book
and call log on the PC. I can use the PC to dial calls - but I don't
hear ringtone or speech through the PC's speakers. I don't hear it at
all unless I click on 'use phone' - when I can then hear it on the
phone, but that defeats the whole object of the exercise. For incoming
calls, both the phone *and* the PC ring - compared with the car where
only the car speaker rings.

Any clues as to what I'm doing wrong?
--
Cheers,
Roger

Roger Mills wrote:

Any clues as to what I'm doing wrong?

I haven't used "Your Phone" but it doesn't seem like you're expecting
something it doesn't offer, have you checked the "Calls" section under help?

https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/hub/4529948/your-phone-app-help

On 08/07/2020 14:19, Andy Burns wrote:
Roger Mills wrote:

Any clues as to what I'm doing wrong?

I haven't used "Your Phone" but it doesn't seem like you're expecting
something it doesn't offer, have you checked the "Calls" section under
help?

https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/hub/4529948/your-phone-app-help


Thanks. I saw that, but it doesn't really help. It's more to do with
getting the phone and computer to communicate - which mine do after a
fashion - rather than about how the thing works in detail.
--
Cheers,
Roger

Maybe the phone needs to be set up to use the link for input and output
instead of itself? I can make calls using my echo dot using the address book
in my Iphone and the phone remains silent.
Brian

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On 08/07/2020 14:19, Andy Burns wrote:
Roger Mills wrote:

Any clues as to what I'm doing wrong?

I haven't used "Your Phone" but it doesn't seem like you're expecting
something it doesn't offer, have you checked the "Calls" section under
help?

https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/hub/4529948/your-phone-app-help


Thanks. I saw that, but it doesn't really help. It's more to do with
getting the phone and computer to communicate - which mine do after a
fashion - rather than about how the thing works in detail.
--
Cheers,
Roger

Roger Mills wrote:
On 08/07/2020 14:19, Andy Burns wrote:
Roger Mills wrote:

Any clues as to what I'm doing wrong?

I haven't used "Your Phone" but it doesn't seem like you're expecting
something it doesn't offer, have you checked the "Calls" section under
help?

https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/hub/4529948/your-phone-app-help


Thanks. I saw that, but it doesn't really help. It's more to do with
getting the phone and computer to communicate - which mine do after a
fashion - rather than about how the thing works in detail.

I think Bluetooth allows multiple profiles to be open with
a single device.

Maybe a Handsfree profile of some sort, is needed to turn
your computer into a "Bluetooth Speaker" ? Then the question is,
why isn't My Phone doing that for you. A tick box ? Permissions ?
Don't forget all those silly permissions in both phones and
in Windows 10 Settings. You can't expect the My Phone application
to "suggest" a setting.

https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/27/2...s-10-microsoft

Imagine the fun debugging something like that, and figuring out
what broke.

Paul

Roger Mills wrote:

I've just acquired a bluetooth adapter for my W10 (1909) desktop PC and
have tried to set it up to provide hands-free control of my Moto G6+
phone running Android 9. [The phone works fine in my car - where I can
make and receive calls using the car's speaker and microphone.]

I was expecting the PC to work the same way but it doesn't! The phone
and PC pair ok using BT, and I can see my texts, photos, address book
and call log on the PC. I can use the PC to dial calls - but I don't
hear ringtone or speech through the PC's speakers. I don't hear it at
all unless I click on 'use phone' - when I can then hear it on the
phone, but that defeats the whole object of the exercise. For incoming
calls, both the phone *and* the PC ring - compared with the car where
only the car speaker rings.

Any clues as to what I'm doing wrong?

I don't use that app, so the following is a guess. When you load a
program or app that issues sound API calls to the OS, it may get listed
in the Sound Mixer (right-click on the sound tray icon, select Open
Volume Mixer). Since Windows 7, each source can be separately
controlled from the base volume. This has ****ed over users ever since
because most just want the volume level the same across all
sound-enabled programs rather than individual volume settings.

With the Your Phone app loaded, is there an entry for it in the Volume
Mixer dialog? You may have to drag the horizontal scrollbar to view all
playback devices. If so, is its volume the same as the base/master
volume level (often marked as Speakers, but depends on what you selected
as the Playback device in the sound config)? If it's there, also check
that it is not a muted source (the speaker icon under the volume
slider).

Some programs add their own playback device (software based or
virtualized device). Go into the old Control Panel (control.exe) under
Hardware and Sound, and click on Sound. You get one of the old wizards
that Microsoft is trying to eliminate, but have yet to incorporate all
the same features into their new Settings wizard. Under the Playback
tab, normally the Speakers device is selected as the default playback
device. Did the Your Phone app add its own sound device to that list?
For example, this is where I have to go to switch to my USB headset when
I plug it in to switch audio from speakers to the headset.

Not all Bluetooth devices properly report their capabilities. Go into
the Bluetooth devices list (enter "bluetooth" in the taskbar's search,
and pick "Bluetooth and other devices"), and right-click on your phone
and select Properties. Yeah, another Settings dialog that is worthless.
Scroll down in the right panel to select "Devices and printers". Your
BT paired phone should be listed there. I don't have a BT device
currently paired to my PC, so I cannot walk the path to the properties
of the device to check its capabilities. In all the online articles I
found, none focused on configuring which capabilities (BT protocols) a
device would support. My recollection is you went into the properties
of the BT device and under there was a list of different BT protocols
you could disable or enable. Been too long, but I remember having to go
there to enable a BT audio protocol to get remoting to the phone to work
for audio. When you look at the Properties of the BT device, you should
get the old-style properties dialog with General, Hardware, Services,
and Bluetooth tabs. I suspect you go under the Service tabs (different
BT protocols are also called services, not in an NT service running in
the background but as a protocol that supports a type of service or
function).

Ah, found online images of the Services tab (articles were useless, so
instead I searched on images), which were at:

https://www.thewindowsclub.com/wp-co...4/services.png
https://i.stack.imgur.com/Cxs3l.png
https://i.stack.imgur.com/rsUq2.jpg

The list of services, and even their names, might not match what you see
in your list of "Bluetooth Services". The list is affected by the type
of BT device. I had to play around enabling one at a time, test if
problem got resolved, deselect (put back to old setting), and try
another.

On 08/07/2020 20:14, VanguardLH wrote:
Roger Mills wrote:

I've just acquired a bluetooth adapter for my W10 (1909) desktop PC and
have tried to set it up to provide hands-free control of my Moto G6+
phone running Android 9. [The phone works fine in my car - where I can
make and receive calls using the car's speaker and microphone.]

I was expecting the PC to work the same way but it doesn't! The phone
and PC pair ok using BT, and I can see my texts, photos, address book
and call log on the PC. I can use the PC to dial calls - but I don't
hear ringtone or speech through the PC's speakers. I don't hear it at
all unless I click on 'use phone' - when I can then hear it on the
phone, but that defeats the whole object of the exercise. For incoming
calls, both the phone *and* the PC ring - compared with the car where
only the car speaker rings.

Any clues as to what I'm doing wrong?

I don't use that app, so the following is a guess. When you load a
program or app that issues sound API calls to the OS, it may get listed
in the Sound Mixer (right-click on the sound tray icon, select Open
Volume Mixer). Since Windows 7, each source can be separately
controlled from the base volume. This has ****ed over users ever since
because most just want the volume level the same across all
sound-enabled programs rather than individual volume settings.

With the Your Phone app loaded, is there an entry for it in the Volume
Mixer dialog? You may have to drag the horizontal scrollbar to view all
playback devices. If so, is its volume the same as the base/master
volume level (often marked as Speakers, but depends on what you selected
as the Playback device in the sound config)? If it's there, also check
that it is not a muted source (the speaker icon under the volume
slider).

Some programs add their own playback device (software based or
virtualized device). Go into the old Control Panel (control.exe) under
Hardware and Sound, and click on Sound. You get one of the old wizards
that Microsoft is trying to eliminate, but have yet to incorporate all
the same features into their new Settings wizard. Under the Playback
tab, normally the Speakers device is selected as the default playback
device. Did the Your Phone app add its own sound device to that list?
For example, this is where I have to go to switch to my USB headset when
I plug it in to switch audio from speakers to the headset.

Not all Bluetooth devices properly report their capabilities. Go into
the Bluetooth devices list (enter "bluetooth" in the taskbar's search,
and pick "Bluetooth and other devices"), and right-click on your phone
and select Properties. Yeah, another Settings dialog that is worthless.
Scroll down in the right panel to select "Devices and printers". Your
BT paired phone should be listed there. I don't have a BT device
currently paired to my PC, so I cannot walk the path to the properties
of the device to check its capabilities. In all the online articles I
found, none focused on configuring which capabilities (BT protocols) a
device would support. My recollection is you went into the properties
of the BT device and under there was a list of different BT protocols
you could disable or enable. Been too long, but I remember having to go
there to enable a BT audio protocol to get remoting to the phone to work
for audio. When you look at the Properties of the BT device, you should
get the old-style properties dialog with General, Hardware, Services,
and Bluetooth tabs. I suspect you go under the Service tabs (different
BT protocols are also called services, not in an NT service running in
the background but as a protocol that supports a type of service or
function).

Ah, found online images of the Services tab (articles were useless, so
instead I searched on images), which were at:

https://www.thewindowsclub.com/wp-co...4/services.png
https://i.stack.imgur.com/Cxs3l.png
https://i.stack.imgur.com/rsUq2.jpg

The list of services, and even their names, might not match what you see
in your list of "Bluetooth Services". The list is affected by the type
of BT device. I had to play around enabling one at a time, test if
problem got resolved, deselect (put back to old setting), and try
another.


Many thanks for that - there are a lot of good suggestions there.
Meanwhile, I've pretty much decided that there are some compatibility
issues with my cheapo BT dongle, because it was telling me in one place
that the devices were paired and in another that my PC didn't have BT or
that it wasn't turned on. I have ordered (what I hope is) a better one.
I'll have another go when that arrives, and look closely at your
suggestions if I still have issues.
--
Cheers,
Roger

Roger Mills wrote:

Many thanks for that - there are a lot of good suggestions there.
Meanwhile, I've pretty much decided that there are some compatibility
issues with my cheapo BT dongle, because it was telling me in one place
that the devices were paired and in another that my PC didn't have BT or
that it wasn't turned on. I have ordered (what I hope is) a better one.
I'll have another go when that arrives, and look closely at your
suggestions if I still have issues.

Did you use Device Manager and get some chipset info
from the HardwareID ?

Maybe there are some notes out there on the chip.

For example, mine is a Broadcom. And it would be using the
built-in profiles and driver code. Whereas on Windows 7,
I would be using the WIDComm software on the DVD in the box.

It could be, that the disagreement on whether a BT dongle
is present, is caused by some "Bluetooth" service. Take
a look in services.msc and see if there's a Bluetooth item and
it's started.

Paul

Different "services" (1) are available in different BT versions. Make
sure the new BT dongle supports BT 3.x, or higher. I had an old BT 1.x
dongle that was pretty much useless except for file transfer.

(1) The "services" (protocols) you see listed in the properties of a BT
device (right-click on the BT device listed in Control Panel to show
its properties, and go under the Services tab). Not the NT service
defined in services.msc. The Bluetooth services listed in the
Services app (services.msc) might be set to Manual startup (they
start when called by some process), but the BT device itself still
doesn't have full support for all its features. The BT device is
supposed to send a list of attributes that define the protocols
(services) the device supports. I had a BT Boombot speaker where
all Bluetooth was configured correctly, and the device was paired to
my computer, but still had audio problems until I went into the
Properties of the BT device and enable some of the services listed
under the Services tab.

You didn't identify which BT dongle you tried. With the new
replacement, make sure it supports BT 3.0, at a minimum. BT 4.x have
some more features (faster, lower energy, using BT for the handshake but
passing the connection to wifi which is faster), but you won't need
those extra features. Just make sure the BT radio in your phone also
supports BT 3.0, or higher.

https://www.androidcentral.com/moto-g6-specs

According to that, the G6 support BT 4.2 and the G6+ support BT 5.0, so
a BT 3.0 dongle will suffice, but a higher BT version would be better.

https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=blueto... 315449%208000

That lists some USB BT dongles sold at Newegg (and by Newegg, and not
some 3rd party using Newegg to frontend an e-store for the 3rd party).
BT 4.0 dongles go for about $20. I got the Asus BT400 from them for an
old computer that didn't have a BT radio. It's now sitting in a drawer
since my new build has a BT radio on the mobo (but I don't use BT
anymore, so I disable BT in Windows).

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...nts-and-set-up

Yeah, useless to determine which connection methods are supported. Even
Bluetooth isn't mentioned there. From that article, you install the
Your Phone app on your PC, Your Phone Companion on the Android phone,
and also the Link to Windows app on the Android Phone. Did you install
all three? The Your Phone Companion will require permissions which you
should get prompted to allow. If you don't allow those permissions,
that ancilliary app will likely not function properly. Apparently,
since this is a Microsoft app, it uses a Microsoft account, so both the
PC and the Android phone must be logged into Microsoft; i.e., you need a
Microsoft account on both devices. The Microsoft account is used to
link the PC and phone (in addition to the BT which is the physical
connection).

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4531298

Well, that page mentions using wifi, like for data sync and for "improve
the connection". If the Your Phone can use wifi to connect the phone to
your PC then dump Bluetooth and go with wifi (faster, more reliable,
easier setup). Yet ...

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...nd-using-calls

says you need to use Bluetooth to make/receive calls. Seems stupid they
would support wifi from some transfer protocols but not for calls.

https://www.pcworld.com/article/3445...o-your-pc.html
"Make sure both devices are on the same Wi-Fi network for easier
communication."

https://www.xda-developers.com/micro...gy-connection/

That says Microsoft Bluetooth, but maybe just the BLE protocol. The
Link to Windows app uses wi-fi, a much better choice for wireless
connection. If you can go to wi-fi, stop trying to use flaky confusing
Bluetooth.

There are so many configurations for Bluetooth that are disconnected or
presented poorly that getting it to work only happens for simplistic BT
devices that can manage to work under a standard BT device type. If you
give up on the Your Phone app and using BT to remotely control your
phone from your PC, you might what to look in other ways to remote to
the phone. For example, instead of using an app that represents its own
functions to impose on the phone, you could mirror the phone on the PC
screen to operate your phone on your PC just like you use the phone.
The ones that I've tried in the past were Mobizen and AirDroid (via
their AirMirror app). I think even Teamviewer has something like this
to remotely control an Android phone on a PC.

Usually those type of remote tools require you enable Developer Mode on
the phone, so you can then go under that settings category to enable USB
Debugging mode. You have to install an ADB (Android Debug Bridge)
driver on the PC. You can connect the phone to PC using a USB cable,
via Bluetooth, or even across the Internet (the PC and phone use a
service through which the data gets sent between them. I remember
AirDroid let you remotely control your phone using a USB cable
(fastest), Bluetooth (slower), or through their web site (slowest but
depends on your bandwidth). I think they dropped Bluetooth support
because it was flaky to setup properly and still flaky during operation,
so they went to USB cable or over the web. For wireless, I suspect they
went to WiFi Direct (the PC supports wifi and the phone support wifi
hotspot). Wifi works so much easier to setup and manage out-of-the-box
than Bluetooth.

One way, like with Your Phone, is for an app to emulate some
functionality of a phone, but they present their own screen or GUI.
Another is to actually see the phone's screen on your PC, and manipulate
your phone that way. Instead of just accessing the calling functions of
your phone, you can access any app on your phone (Google Maps, WhatsApp,
store apps, service apps, or any other app on your phone, including your
phone's Phone app). I suppose you could even install AirDroid onto a
different phone to use its camera and mic as a remote baby monitor or
security camer in another place over the Internet.

It's been too long since I used mirroring setup between phone and PC to
remember how they handled sound, like whether the phone made the rings,
used its mic and speaker, or if the mirroring app on the PC issued the
audio using the PC's speakers and used the PC's mic. These mirroring
tools presented the phone's screen on your PC screen.

On 7/8/2020 9:09 AM, Roger Mills wrote:
I've just acquired a bluetooth adapter for my W10 (1909) desktop PC and
have tried to set it up to provide hands-free control of my Moto G6+
phone running Android 9. [The phone works fine in my car - where I can
make and receive calls using the car's speaker and microphone.]

I was expecting the PC to work the same way but it doesn't! The phone
and PC pair ok using BT, and I can see my texts, photos, address book
and call log on the PC. I can use the PC to dial calls - but I don't
hear ringtone or speech through the PC's speakers. I don't hear it at
all unless I click on 'use phone' - when I can then hear it on the
phone, but that defeats the whole object of the exercise. For incoming
calls, both the phone *and* the PC ring - compared with the car where
only the car speaker rings.

Any clues as to what I'm doing wrong?
I've been using it now for about a month or 2. Previously, I was using
a 3rd party app (Mighty Text) to allow me to see texts to my Samsung S7
on my PC. It was not reliable and did weird things. The Your Phone app
seems to work much better. I can see and send texts on my S7 via the
PC. It's especially handy when you do a two step verification when
someone sends you a code to unlock their access; easy to copy and paste
the code. BTW, sorry I can't help as it seemed to work right out of the
"box".

On 09/07/2020 13:38, Todesco wrote:
On 7/8/2020 9:09 AM, Roger Mills wrote:
I've just acquired a bluetooth adapter for my W10 (1909) desktop PC
and have tried to set it up to provide hands-free control of my Moto
G6+ phone running Android 9. [The phone works fine in my car - where I
can make and receive calls using the car's speaker and microphone.]

I was expecting the PC to work the same way but it doesn't! The phone
and PC pair ok using BT, and I can see my texts, photos, address book
and call log on the PC. I can use the PC to dial calls - but I don't
hear ringtone or speech through the PC's speakers. I don't hear it at
all unless I click on 'use phone' - when I can then hear it on the
phone, but that defeats the whole object of the exercise. For incoming
calls, both the phone *and* the PC ring - compared with the car where
only the car speaker rings.

Any clues as to what I'm doing wrong?
I've been using it now for about a month or 2.Â* Previously, I was using
a 3rd party app (Mighty Text) to allow me to see texts to my Samsung S7
on my PC.Â* It was not reliable and did weird things.Â* The Your Phone app
seems to work much better.Â* I can see and send texts on my S7 via the
PC.Â* It's especially handy when you do a two step verification when
someone sends you a code to unlock their access; easy to copy and paste
the code.Â* BTW, sorry I can't help as it seemed to work right out of the
"box".

But are you using it for making hands-free voice calls on your PC, or
only for texts? Mine is ok for texts because it can use WiFi for that -
but it's when it needs bluetooth for voice calls that it doesn't work
properly.
--
Cheers,
Roger

On 7/9/2020 9:26 AM, Roger Mills wrote:
On 09/07/2020 13:38, Todesco wrote:
On 7/8/2020 9:09 AM, Roger Mills wrote:
I've just acquired a bluetooth adapter for my W10 (1909) desktop PC
and have tried to set it up to provide hands-free control of my Moto
G6+ phone running Android 9. [The phone works fine in my car - where
I can make and receive calls using the car's speaker and microphone.]

I was expecting the PC to work the same way but it doesn't! The phone
and PC pair ok using BT, and I can see my texts, photos, address book
and call log on the PC. I can use the PC to dial calls - but I don't
hear ringtone or speech through the PC's speakers. I don't hear it at
all unless I click on 'use phone' - when I can then hear it on the
phone, but that defeats the whole object of the exercise. For
incoming calls, both the phone *and* the PC ring - compared with the
car where only the car speaker rings.

Any clues as to what I'm doing wrong?
I've been using it now for about a month or 2.Â* Previously, I was
using a 3rd party app (Mighty Text) to allow me to see texts to my
Samsung S7 on my PC.Â* It was not reliable and did weird things.Â* The
Your Phone app seems to work much better.Â* I can see and send texts on
my S7 via the PC.Â* It's especially handy when you do a two step
verification when someone sends you a code to unlock their access;
easy to copy and paste the code.Â* BTW, sorry I can't help as it seemed
to work right out of the "box".

But are you using it for making hands-free voice calls on your PC, or
only for texts? Mine is ok for texts because it can use WiFi for that -
but it's when it needs bluetooth for voice calls that it doesn't work
properly.
No. I actually have a Pansonic cordless phone that blutooths to my
cell. So I can use it to make and receive cell calls ... and it has a
speakerphone built in. Also, I have 4 handsets. While one person is
talking on one handset on the landline, another handset can be talking
using the cell. I only wish that Panasonic system had a port for a 2nd
landline as my phone company gives me a free 2nd landline. I do have
that line tied to the computer modem for receiving faxes.

On 7/9/2020 9:26 AM, Roger Mills wrote:
On 09/07/2020 13:38, Todesco wrote:
On 7/8/2020 9:09 AM, Roger Mills wrote:
I've just acquired a bluetooth adapter for my W10 (1909) desktop PC
and have tried to set it up to provide hands-free control of my Moto
G6+ phone running Android 9. [The phone works fine in my car - where
I can make and receive calls using the car's speaker and microphone.]

I was expecting the PC to work the same way but it doesn't! The phone
and PC pair ok using BT, and I can see my texts, photos, address book
and call log on the PC. I can use the PC to dial calls - but I don't
hear ringtone or speech through the PC's speakers. I don't hear it at
all unless I click on 'use phone' - when I can then hear it on the
phone, but that defeats the whole object of the exercise. For
incoming calls, both the phone *and* the PC ring - compared with the
car where only the car speaker rings.

Any clues as to what I'm doing wrong?
I've been using it now for about a month or 2.Â* Previously, I was
using a 3rd party app (Mighty Text) to allow me to see texts to my
Samsung S7 on my PC.Â* It was not reliable and did weird things.Â* The
Your Phone app seems to work much better.Â* I can see and send texts on
my S7 via the PC.Â* It's especially handy when you do a two step
verification when someone sends you a code to unlock their access;
easy to copy and paste the code.Â* BTW, sorry I can't help as it seemed
to work right out of the "box".

But are you using it for making hands-free voice calls on your PC, or
only for texts? Mine is ok for texts because it can use WiFi for that -
but it's when it needs bluetooth for voice calls that it doesn't work
properly.
No. I actually have a Pansonic cordless phone that blutooths to my
cell. So I can use it to make and receive cell calls ... and it has a
speakerphone built in. Also, I have 4 handsets. While one person is
talking on one handset on the landline, another handset can be talking
using the cell. I only wish that Panasonic system had a port for a 2nd
landline as my phone company gives me a free 2nd landline. I do have
that line tied to the computer modem for receiving faxes.

On 7/9/2020 9:26 AM, Roger Mills wrote:
On 09/07/2020 13:38, Todesco wrote:
On 7/8/2020 9:09 AM, Roger Mills wrote:
I've just acquired a bluetooth adapter for my W10 (1909) desktop PC
and have tried to set it up to provide hands-free control of my Moto
G6+ phone running Android 9. [The phone works fine in my car - where
I can make and receive calls using the car's speaker and microphone.]

I was expecting the PC to work the same way but it doesn't! The phone
and PC pair ok using BT, and I can see my texts, photos, address book
and call log on the PC. I can use the PC to dial calls - but I don't
hear ringtone or speech through the PC's speakers. I don't hear it at
all unless I click on 'use phone' - when I can then hear it on the
phone, but that defeats the whole object of the exercise. For
incoming calls, both the phone *and* the PC ring - compared with the
car where only the car speaker rings.

Any clues as to what I'm doing wrong?
I've been using it now for about a month or 2.Â* Previously, I was
using a 3rd party app (Mighty Text) to allow me to see texts to my
Samsung S7 on my PC.Â* It was not reliable and did weird things.Â* The
Your Phone app seems to work much better.Â* I can see and send texts on
my S7 via the PC.Â* It's especially handy when you do a two step
verification when someone sends you a code to unlock their access;
easy to copy and paste the code.Â* BTW, sorry I can't help as it seemed
to work right out of the "box".

But are you using it for making hands-free voice calls on your PC, or
only for texts? Mine is ok for texts because it can use WiFi for that -
but it's when it needs bluetooth for voice calls that it doesn't work
properly.
No. I actually have a Pansonic cordless phone that blutooths to my
cell. So I can use it to make and receive cell calls ... and it has a
speakerphone built in. Also, I have 4 handsets. While one person is
talking on one handset on the landline, another handset can be talking
using the cell. I only wish that Panasonic system had a port for a 2nd
landline as my phone company gives me a free 2nd landline. I do have
that line tied to the computer modem for receiving faxes.

On 7/9/2020 9:26 AM, Roger Mills wrote:
On 09/07/2020 13:38, Todesco wrote:
On 7/8/2020 9:09 AM, Roger Mills wrote:
I've just acquired a bluetooth adapter for my W10 (1909) desktop PC
and have tried to set it up to provide hands-free control of my Moto
G6+ phone running Android 9. [The phone works fine in my car - where
I can make and receive calls using the car's speaker and microphone.]

I was expecting the PC to work the same way but it doesn't! The phone
and PC pair ok using BT, and I can see my texts, photos, address book
and call log on the PC. I can use the PC to dial calls - but I don't
hear ringtone or speech through the PC's speakers. I don't hear it at
all unless I click on 'use phone' - when I can then hear it on the
phone, but that defeats the whole object of the exercise. For
incoming calls, both the phone *and* the PC ring - compared with the
car where only the car speaker rings.

Any clues as to what I'm doing wrong?
I've been using it now for about a month or 2.Â* Previously, I was
using a 3rd party app (Mighty Text) to allow me to see texts to my
Samsung S7 on my PC.Â* It was not reliable and did weird things.Â* The
Your Phone app seems to work much better.Â* I can see and send texts on
my S7 via the PC.Â* It's especially handy when you do a two step
verification when someone sends you a code to unlock their access;
easy to copy and paste the code.Â* BTW, sorry I can't help as it seemed
to work right out of the "box".

But are you using it for making hands-free voice calls on your PC, or
only for texts? Mine is ok for texts because it can use WiFi for that -
but it's when it needs bluetooth for voice calls that it doesn't work
properly.
No. I actually have a Pansonic cordless phone that blutooths to my
cell. So I can use it to make and receive cell calls ... and it has a
speakerphone built in. Also, I have 4 handsets. While one person is
talking on one handset on the landline, another handset can be talking
using the cell. I only wish that Panasonic system had a port for a 2nd
landline as my phone company gives me a free 2nd landline. I do have
that line tied to the computer modem for receiving faxes.

Roger Mills wrote:
I've just acquired a bluetooth adapter for my W10 (1909) desktop PC and
have tried to set it up to provide hands-free control of my Moto G6+
phone running Android 9. [The phone works fine in my car - where I can
make and receive calls using the car's speaker and microphone.]

I was expecting the PC to work the same way but it doesn't! The phone
and PC pair ok using BT, and I can see my texts, photos, address book
and call log on the PC. I can use the PC to dial calls - but I don't
hear ringtone or speech through the PC's speakers. I don't hear it at
all unless I click on 'use phone' - when I can then hear it on the
phone, but that defeats the whole object of the exercise. For incoming
calls, both the phone *and* the PC ring - compared with the car where
only the car speaker rings.

Any clues as to what I'm doing wrong?
I don't think you have a supported device for phone calls
See
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...ne-experiences

But texting works with my Moto G6

On 08/07/2020 14:09, Roger Mills wrote:
I've just acquired a bluetooth adapter for my W10 (1909) desktop PC and
have tried to set it up to provide hands-free control of my Moto G6+
phone running Android 9. [The phone works fine in my car - where I can
make and receive calls using the car's speaker and microphone.]

I was expecting the PC to work the same way but it doesn't! The phone
and PC pair ok using BT, and I can see my texts, photos, address book
and call log on the PC. I can use the PC to dial calls - but I don't
hear ringtone or speech through the PC's speakers. I don't hear it at
all unless I click on 'use phone' - when I can then hear it on the
phone, but that defeats the whole object of the exercise. For incoming
calls, both the phone *and* the PC ring - compared with the car where
only the car speaker rings.

Any clues as to what I'm doing wrong?

In 'Your Phone' Settings (bottom-left) there is a setting called:
'Calls'
Which says,
Allow this app to make and manage calls from my phone
On/Off switch (default=off)

On 11/07/2020 12:44, Patrick wrote:
On 08/07/2020 14:09, Roger Mills wrote:
I've just acquired a bluetooth adapter for my W10 (1909) desktop PC
and have tried to set it up to provide hands-free control of my Moto
G6+ phone running Android 9. [The phone works fine in my car - where I
can make and receive calls using the car's speaker and microphone.]

I was expecting the PC to work the same way but it doesn't! The phone
and PC pair ok using BT, and I can see my texts, photos, address book
and call log on the PC. I can use the PC to dial calls - but I don't
hear ringtone or speech through the PC's speakers. I don't hear it at
all unless I click on 'use phone' - when I can then hear it on the
phone, but that defeats the whole object of the exercise. For incoming
calls, both the phone *and* the PC ring - compared with the car where
only the car speaker rings.

Any clues as to what I'm doing wrong?

In 'Your Phone' Settings (bottom-left) there is a setting called:
'Calls'
Which says,
Allow this app to make and manage calls from my phone
On/Off switch (default=off)


Thanks to everyone who has made helpful suggestions.

I've now replaced my cheapo (allegedly BT5) dongle with a tp-link
branded BT4.0 adapter - and that worked straight out of the box, asking
me for the expected mutual permissions, displaying matching pairing PINs
on both devices, etc. - which the first one never did consistently.

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Cheers,
Roger

On 7/8/2020 9:09 AM, Roger Mills wrote:
I've just acquired a bluetooth adapter for my W10 (1909) desktop PC and
have tried to set it up to provide hands-free control of my Moto G6+ phone
running Android 9. [The phone works fine in my car - where I can make and
receive calls using the car's speaker and microphone.]

I was expecting the PC to work the same way but it doesn't! The phone and
PC pair ok using BT, and I can see my texts, photos, address book and call
log on the PC. I can use the PC to dial calls - but I don't hear ringtone
or speech through the PC's speakers. I don't hear it at all unless I click
on 'use phone' - when I can then hear it on the phone, but that defeats the
whole object of the exercise. For incoming calls, both the phone *and* the
PC ring - compared with the car where only the car speaker rings.

Any clues as to what I'm doing wrong?

Never used it. Saw it when it first appeared but could not imagine anything
I might use it for (what the hell is it supposed to do for me anyhow?) so I
never bothered to explore its mysteries. If I want to talk on my phone why
can't I just pick up my phone and skip the middleman err middleprogram and
simplify my life?

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can never overcome natural stupidity.

"John McGaw" wrote in message
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On 7/8/2020 9:09 AM, Roger Mills wrote:
I've just acquired a bluetooth adapter for my W10 (1909) desktop PC and
have tried to set it up to provide hands-free control of my Moto G6+
phone running Android 9. [The phone works fine in my car - where I can
make and receive calls using the car's speaker and microphone.]

I was expecting the PC to work the same way but it doesn't! The phone and
PC pair ok using BT, and I can see my texts, photos, address book and
call log on the PC. I can use the PC to dial calls - but I don't hear
ringtone or speech through the PC's speakers. I don't hear it at all
unless I click on 'use phone' - when I can then hear it on the phone, but
that defeats the whole object of the exercise. For incoming calls, both
the phone *and* the PC ring - compared with the car where only the car
speaker rings.

Any clues as to what I'm doing wrong?

Never used it. Saw it when it first appeared but could not imagine
anything I might use it for (what the hell is it supposed to do for me
anyhow?) so I never bothered to explore its mysteries. If I want to talk
on my phone why can't I just pick up my phone and skip the middleman err
middleprogram and simplify my life?

Because the phone may not be handy when you are using the computer.

Nothing stupid about it.

John McGaw wrote:

On 7/8/2020 9:09 AM, Roger Mills wrote:
I've just acquired a bluetooth adapter for my W10 (1909) desktop PC and
have tried to set it up to provide hands-free control of my Moto G6+ phone
running Android 9. [The phone works fine in my car - where I can make and
receive calls using the car's speaker and microphone.]

I was expecting the PC to work the same way but it doesn't! The phone and
PC pair ok using BT, and I can see my texts, photos, address book and call
log on the PC. I can use the PC to dial calls - but I don't hear ringtone
or speech through the PC's speakers. I don't hear it at all unless I click
on 'use phone' - when I can then hear it on the phone, but that defeats the
whole object of the exercise. For incoming calls, both the phone *and* the
PC ring - compared with the car where only the car speaker rings.

Any clues as to what I'm doing wrong?

Never used it. Saw it when it first appeared but could not imagine anything
I might use it for (what the hell is it supposed to do for me anyhow?) so I
never bothered to explore its mysteries. If I want to talk on my phone why
can't I just pick up my phone and skip the middleman err middleprogram and
simplify my life?

I suppose from elsewhere you could remote into your PC to use the phone,
but you can do calls from online, so that solution is a Rube Goldberg
design.

I suppose you could easier do texting on your PC's keyboard than the
tiny virtual keyboard on the phone's screen. But the OP asked about
calls.

I suppose you could mirror the phone's screen on the PC, like for games,
but the Bluetooth connection is too slow and video and audio will get
out of sync. Mirroring the phone using USB connect, USB Debug Mode on
the phone, and the ADB driver on the PC would work better. You can also
run Android on your PC (e.g., Bluestacks) to run the game app on the PC
in the first place and not bother with the phone. But the OP asked
about calls. Some tablets have the radios and SIM card slot, so to get
a bigger screen you get a bigger device.

Not sure the PC's speakers and mic would surpass those in the phone, but
I suppose you could use a headset on the PC for the calls getting
initiated by the phone. Oh, you'd have to add a camera to the PC to do
the video voice calling possible on the phone. At that point, you'd
probably want better PC speakers and a far superior microphone, so you
could do the video calls without looking tacky with a headset on your
head.

You could get a bigger Android tablet that has the radios (cellular,
Bluetooth, and GPS), so the screen would be bigger hence also the
virtual keyboard eliminating the need to mirror to the PC.

I suppose you could set the sound volume way high for the Your Phone app
on the PC, so you could hear the ringtones from farther away. Better
not have the PC in your bedroom to jar you awake. For me, I defined an
event in Task Scheduler that fires on LockWorkstation to shut up the
computer to not bother when when it is locked.

Not sure how the Your Phone app is going to let you do calling when the
phone is locked. Maybe you have to allow it permissions to unlock the
phone's screen. I don't let any app unlock my phone, even for
notifications, just to show a note that an app issued a notification. I
don't want my phone unlocking when I'm not around.

I don't see the Your Phone desktop app is a handsfree app. That is,
does it let you dangle a BT headset from an ear (you don't really need
stereo for phone calls), and issue voice commands to do calling? There
are handsfree voice apps that let you answer and hangup with a handsfree
call app. BT from headset to phone, and use an app for handsfree
calling. The bundled Google Assistant app will let you answer ("OK
Google", "hello") and hangup ("OK Google", "hang up" or "end call"); see
https://www.the-ambient.com/guides/b...t-commands-382.
If Your Phone is not handsfree, when a call comes in, you're get
interrupted in whatever work you're doing on the PC and have to scramble
with the mouse or the keyboard to answer a call. However, if you're
going to Bluetooth to the phone, you can get BT headsets for handsfree
calling. If the PC is going to be within reliable range of a BT connect
to the PC, same for a BT headset. I've not played with using a BT
transceiver/booster to extend the range of BT. Hell, if you store your
phone on the desk with your PC, just use the phone's own speaker and mic
with "(OK|Hey) Google" to take and make calls. You'll probably want to
configure the phone so it doesn't lock when charging on the desk, so the
phone doesn't lock and can take commands.

The requirements for Your Phone are rather steep (Windows 10 May 2019 on
PC and Android 7.0 on phone, and only for Android phones). Debug mode,
ADB driver, and USB cable are more reliable, faster, and easier to setup
for phone mirroring on the PC. I played with that awhile back, and the
phone's sounds played through the PC speakers, used the PC's mic, and
the PC's keyboard was obviously a lot easier to use. However, it was
just easier to use the phone, even when I was at the computer. System
requirements for phone mirroring on the PC (which, by the way, has been
around a hell of lot longer than Microsoft's foray into a similar
function) are a lot lower. For example, Airdroid/Airmirror's desktop
client runs on Windows (don't know if they support discontinued Windows
versions, but I've seen some sites listing XP, Vista, 7, 8, and 10),
macOS, Android (device or an Android emulator running on PC), or even
through a web browser (so you could use Airdroid on, say, a Chromebook
or Linux host without using WINE), and their matching phone app runs on
Android 2.1, and later. To clarify, Airdroid is its own phone manager
on the PC versus AirMirror that shows your phone's screen on your PC.

Bluetooth has a short range. Rod mentioned the phone may not be handy
when at the computer, so the phone got left somewhere else, but it can't
be that far away for a reliable BT connection to the PC. If you're
going to interrupt whatever you're doing on the PC to take a call, geez,
get off your butt to pick up the phone. If you're too slow to get to
the phone, keep it with you. An easy solution is to use Google Voice
(free service only available in the USA, G Suite users in select
countries), and have it call *ALL* your phones: whatever number of
mobile phones you have with their own number, your home phone, your work
phone, etc. You can get an interface adapter (e.g., Obitalk, Ooma) at a
one-time cost that connects your router to your house's phone wiring, so
all phones on that wiring can use the VOIP service of Google Voice. If
you're at your computer a lot at home, you really should have a home
phone on the same desk. When someone calls my Google Voice number (the
only one that I publish when asked for my phone number, and I choose to
give it), it will ring my smartphones, my work phone, my desk phone on
my desk connected to half the house POTS wiring using the Obitalk
adapter to the router, and my home phone (from cable modem to other half
of house POTS wiring). You can port your phone's number to Google Voice
($10), or whichever one you consider your primary phone number (the one
you dole out to most others instead of having them remember every cell
phone number, home phone number, work phone number, yadda yadda). Or
just dole out your GV number when asked for a phone number, and update
your accounts to reflect a change to your GV number.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/yo...e/9nmpj99vjbwv
Release date: 10/2/2018
It hasn't been updated since 21 months ago?

https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...oft.appmanager
Updated: 7/9/2020

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...ink-to-windows
Updated: 7/9/2020

Those have been updated recently, but no activity on the desktop app?

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