On Wed, 09 Apr 2014 10:05:02 -0400, TJ wrote:

Anybody who has been around for a while knows that we learn more from
our mistakes than from our successes. Preventing us from making
mistakes, as Danny seeks to do, only makes us weak and stupid.

I clearly admit that I was dumb.

More to the point, I was fooled into thinking that the
sdcard could be useful to offload the lack of primary
memory.

But, it does look like 2GB is just about how much by way
of apps, one might want to add to any decent smartphone,
just to do the common basic stuff.

So, out of my 16GB Nexus 5, that leaves 10GB for user content.
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7004/...5a3b45f8_h.jpg

On Tue, 15 Apr 2014 21:57:23 -0700, Danny D. wrote:

So, out of my 16GB Nexus 5, that leaves 10GB for user content.
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7004/...5a3b45f8_h.jpg

Here's a much more detailed summary, of a "typical" user setup:
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2866/1...05818cf3_h.jpg

You'll note this is a gift Nexus 5, so, I didn't add social
networking sites, mainly because I don't know sites, usernames,
or passwords, so I'll let the gift recipient do that themselves.

If you see missing apps, that are generally useful, let me know.

On Tue, 15 Apr 2014 22:16:21 -0700, Danny D. wrote:

Here's a much more detailed summary, of a "typical" user setup:
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2866/1...05818cf3_h.jpg

FINAL UPDATE:

The 12GB Nexus 5 phone has been given to the gift recipient:
https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2908/...d7300024_b.jpg

The suggested set of "typical" apps used about 2GB, in toto:
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7269/...8cbce7b3_b.jpg

This included the suggested social-networking sites that I,
myself, would never consider, & it included the suggested games:
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3684/...9b798401_b.jpg

Note that I didn't have access to any user content, so there
is as yet, no SIM card, nor any accounts which would need to be
logged into, so, the memory requirement can only grow from there.

Given this "typical" setup, it looks like we now know that the
bare minimum need for a decent Android phone to store apps in
primary memory seems to be roughly about 6G, comprising about
4GB for the pre-installed apps, plus a bare minimum of at least
2GB for a reasonably well vetted set of the suggested basic apps.

While, for complicated business reasons, the SD cards have proven
themselves useless for primary app storage, the SD card should
be "mostly" available for secondary storage of user content
(of which this phone had none).

Thanks for all your help and advice!

NOTE: The list of "typical" apps and their sizes has already
been posted to a separate thread, so it isn't repeated here.

"Danny D." wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Apr 2014 22:16:21 -0700, Danny D. wrote:

Here's a much more detailed summary, of a "typical" user setup:
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2866/1...05818cf3_h.jpg

FINAL UPDATE:

The 12GB Nexus 5 phone has been given to the gift recipient:
https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2908/...d7300024_b.jpg

Not getting into dispute of Android V iPhone - a normal iPhone is 16 gig,
generally about 4 for OS, , but an iphone with 32 gig is only a hundred euro
or dollars extra. All iPhones have a free 5 gig iCloud. I'm not so sure if
that means all accounts or all instruments (I haev an iPad and iPhone and
use both on the same account. Not to worry, I will never ever use up 32
gigs of space

Mine is 32 gig and I still have over 20 free - and I have quite a few
albums, videos and photos stored on it.

I 'allow' the grandkids to play various games too. Even the most demanding
games take up less than 30 MB, that I can gather.

Anyway, I'm not sure if you could buy an android with a larger storage !

iPhone 5s 16Gig retails here (Ireland) for ‚¬680 É (940 $$),the latest iPad
for ‚¬460 É (635$) - I think they're much cheaper in the US :-)

Cheers
Tommy

On Friday, April 18, 2014 7:43:57 PM UTC-4, Danny D. wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2014 22:16:21 -0700, Danny D. wrote:



Here's a much more detailed summary, of a "typical" user setup:

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2866/1...05818cf3_h.jpg



FINAL UPDATE:



The 12GB Nexus 5 phone has been given to the gift recipient:

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2908/...d7300024_b.jpg



The suggested set of "typical" apps used about 2GB, in toto:

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7269/...8cbce7b3_b.jpg



This included the suggested social-networking sites that I,

myself, would never consider, & it included the suggested games:

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3684/...9b798401_b.jpg



Note that I didn't have access to any user content, so there

is as yet, no SIM card, nor any accounts which would need to be

logged into, so, the memory requirement can only grow from there.



Given this "typical" setup, it looks like we now know that the

bare minimum need for a decent Android phone to store apps in

primary memory seems to be roughly about 6G, comprising about

4GB for the pre-installed apps, plus a bare minimum of at least

2GB for a reasonably well vetted set of the suggested basic apps.



The fact that I have an entry level Android sitting right here
that has about a dozen apps I loaded on it that took just 100 - 200MB
says your full of pure BS. And that entry level phone still has
1.12GB of free memory. You took what was a reasonable beef
and have just gone totally off the rails with it.




While, for complicated business reasons, the SD cards have proven

themselves useless for primary app storage, the SD card should

be "mostly" available for secondary storage of user content

(of which this phone had none).



Thanks for all your help and advice!



NOTE: The list of "typical" apps and their sizes has already

been posted to a separate thread, so it isn't repeated here.


If your 2GB app load was typical for entry level Android phone users,
the phone stores would all be full of ****ed off customers, with
"unusable" phones. The fact that they aren't says your grossly
exagerrating and that you have unreasonable expectations from a $100 entry
level phone.