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I have a sloped garden and I want to pave it. I got the first bit done by the
contractor but would like to attemp the second half myself. I am planning to hire a digger to dug 2ft deep trench, fill it with concret to build the holding wall. I would also like to build the wall as a fence instead of wooden fence. I live in High Wycombe and my main concern is if 2 ft deep trench is enough for foundation and to make a solid wall. I got the annex built and they had similar depth for the foundation. The ground in my area is quiet solid and stoney (sorry for the lack of word). I have attached image of the annex foundation and the area where I plain to dig. Is it necessary for me to have a iron skelton in the foundation ? I am not building a massvie wall but just a single block wall 1 meter high. Secondly since my I am paving the garden, the council said the water in my property should drain within my property. My plan is to keep a portion of the garden unpaved to soak the water and also run a french drain parrell to the garden wall and holding wall in the middle of the garden. Will this be enought to keep the garden from flooding or any rain water issues? Thanks in advance -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/uk-diy...l-1432364-.htm |
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On 21/05/2020 15:44, VIk wrote:
I have a sloped garden and I want to pave it. I got the first bit done by the contractor but would like to attemp the second half myself. I am planning to hire a digger to dug 2ft deep trench, fill it with concret to build the holding wall. I would also like to build the wall as a fence instead of wooden fence. I live in High Wycombe and my main concern is if 2 ft deep trench is enough for foundation and to make a solid wall. I got the annex built and they had similar depth for the foundation. The ground in my area is quiet solid and stoney (sorry for the lack of word). I have attached image of the annex foundation and the area where I plain to dig.Â* Is it necessary for me to have a iron skelton in the foundation ?Â* I am not building a massvie wall but just a single block wall 1 meter high. Secondly since my I am paving the garden, the council said the water in my property should drain within my property. My plan is to keep a portion of the garden unpaved to soak the water and also run a french drain parrell to the garden wall and holding wall in the middle of the garden. Will this be enought to keep the garden from flooding or any rain water issues? Thanks in advance Do you mean you need a retaining wall? How high? What do you mean "the wall as a fence"? Rather than needing footings two feet deep, you might need to dig a soakaway. You don't normally put rebar in footings. |
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newshound Wrote in message:
On 21/05/2020 15:44, VIk wrote: I have a sloped garden and I want to pave it. I got the first bit done by the contractor but would like to attemp the second half myself. I am planning to hire a digger to dug 2ft deep trench, fill it with concret to build the holding wall. I would also like to build the wall as a fence instead of wooden fence. I live in High Wycombe and my main concern is if 2 ft deep trench is enough for foundation and to make a solid wall. I got the annex built and they had similar depth for the foundation. The ground in my area is quiet solid and stoney (sorry for the lack of word). I have attached image of the annex foundation and the area where I plain to dig. Is it necessary for me to have a iron skelton in the foundation ? I am not building a massvie wall but just a single block wall 1 meter high. Secondly since my I am paving the garden, the council said the water in my property should drain within my property. My plan is to keep a portion of the garden unpaved to soak the water and also run a french drain parrell to the garden wall and holding wall in the middle of the garden. Will this be enought to keep the garden from flooding or any rain water issues? Thanks in advance Do you mean you need a retaining wall? How high? What do you mean "the wall as a fence"? Rather than needing footings two feet deep, you might need to dig a soakaway. You don't normally put rebar in footings. Unless it's a retaining wall .... -- Jimk ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 21/05/2020 18:30, Jimk wrote:
newshound Wrote in message: On 21/05/2020 15:44, VIk wrote: I have a sloped garden and I want to pave it. I got the first bit done by the contractor but would like to attemp the second half myself. I am planning to hire a digger to dug 2ft deep trench, fill it with concret to build the holding wall. I would also like to build the wall as a fence instead of wooden fence. I live in High Wycombe and my main concern is if 2 ft deep trench is enough for foundation and to make a solid wall. I got the annex built and they had similar depth for the foundation. The ground in my area is quiet solid and stoney (sorry for the lack of word). I have attached image of the annex foundation and the area where I plain to dig. Is it necessary for me to have a iron skelton in the foundation ? I am not building a massvie wall but just a single block wall 1 meter high. Secondly since my I am paving the garden, the council said the water in my property should drain within my property. My plan is to keep a portion of the garden unpaved to soak the water and also run a french drain parrell to the garden wall and holding wall in the middle of the garden. Will this be enought to keep the garden from flooding or any rain water issues? Thanks in advance Do you mean you need a retaining wall? How high? What do you mean "the wall as a fence"? Rather than needing footings two feet deep, you might need to dig a soakaway. You don't normally put rebar in footings. Unless it's a retaining wall .... Yes that might be set in the footings, but it would be there to strengthen the wall, not the footings. And simple rebar would not do all that much to keep the wall upright. |
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On 21/05/2020 18:30, Jimk wrote: newshound Wrote in message: On 21/05/2020 15:44, VIk wrote: I have a sloped garden and I want to pave it. I got the first bit done by the contractor but would like to attemp the second half myself. I am planning to hire a digger to dug 2ft deep trench, fill it with concret to build the holding wall. I would also like to build the wall as a fence instead of wooden fence. I live in High Wycombe and my main concern is if 2 ft deep trench is enough for foundation and to make a solid wall. I got the annex built and they had similar depth for the foundation. The ground in my area is quiet solid and stoney (sorry for the lack of word). I have attached image of the annex foundation and the area where I plain to dig. Is it necessary for me to have a iron skelton in the foundation ? I am not building a massvie wall but just a single block wall 1 meter high. Secondly since my I am paving the garden, the council said the water in my property should drain within my property. My plan is to keep a portion of the garden unpaved to soak the water and also run a french drain parrell to the garden wall and holding wall in the middle of the garden. Will this be enought to keep the garden from flooding or any rain water issues? Thanks in advance Do you mean you need a retaining wall? How high? What do you mean "the wall as a fence"? Rather than needing footings two feet deep, you might need to dig a soakaway. You don't normally put rebar in footings. Unless it's a retaining wall .... Yes that might be set in the footings, but it would be there to strengthen the wall, not the footings. And simple rebar would not do all that much to keep the wall upright. Nearly. It would be there to "link" the footings to the retaining wall above it, so it all works as one mass. Think L shape sections with the "foot"/footings facing away from the retained slope, with rebar running from the footings up through the retaining wall structure. Plenty of concrete around d the rebar of course... -- Jimk ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 21/05/2020 20:55, newshound wrote:
On 21/05/2020 18:30, Jimk wrote: newshound Wrote in message: On 21/05/2020 15:44, VIk wrote: I have a sloped garden and I want to pave it. I got the first bit done by the contractor but would like to attemp the second half myself. I am planning to hire a digger to dug 2ft deep trench, fill it with concret to build the holding wall. I would also like to build the wall as a fence instead of wooden fence. I live in High Wycombe and my main concern is if 2 ft deep trench is enough for foundation and to make a solid wall. I got the annex built and they had similar depth for the foundation. The ground in my area is quiet solid and stoney (sorry for the lack of word). I have attached image of the annex foundation and the area where I plain to dig.Â* Is it necessary for me to have a iron skelton in the foundation ?Â* I am not building a massvie wall but just a single block wall 1 meter high. Secondly since my I am paving the garden, the council said the water in my property should drain within my property. My plan is to keep a portion of the garden unpaved to soak the water and also run a french drain parrell to the garden wall and holding wall in the middle of the garden. Will this be enought to keep the garden from flooding or any rain water issues? Thanks in advance Do you mean you need a retaining wall? How high? What do you mean "the wall as a fence"? Rather than needing footings two feet deep, you might need to dig a soakaway. You don't normally put rebar in footings. Unless it's a retaining wall .... Yes that might be set in the footings, but it would be there to strengthen the wall, not the footings. And simple rebar would not do all that much to keep the wall upright. my advice is to use steel all the way on a retaining wall. Mine has opened up cracks where I didnt. I used 'bow ties' in the courses Curiously foundations are non existent but it seems to be OK anyway -- The lifetime of any political organisation is about three years before its been subverted by the people it tried to warn you about. Anon. |
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Think L shape sections with the "foot"/footings facing away from
the retained slope, with rebar running from the footings up through the retaining wall structure. Plenty of concrete around d the rebar of course... Its actually the opposite. The L of the footings should face into the slope so that the backfill exerts a downward force on it to keep the wall upright. Richard |
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Tricky Dicky Wrote in message:
Think L shape sections with the "foot"/footings facing away from the retained slope, with rebar running from the footings up through the retaining wall structure. Plenty of concrete around d the rebar of course... It?s actually the opposite. The L of the footings should face into the slope so that the backfill exerts a downward force on it to keep the wall upright. Richard Either is valid. -- Jimk ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 22/05/2020 11:12, Jimk wrote:
Tricky Dicky Wrote in message: Think L shape sections with the "foot"/footings facing away from the retained slope, with rebar running from the footings up through the retaining wall structure. Plenty of concrete around d the rebar of course... It?s actually the opposite. The L of the footings should face into the slope so that the backfill exerts a downward force on it to keep the wall upright. Richard Either is valid. Agreed, although they are working in different ways. The devil is in the detail. Round here it is common to see retaining walls built from semi-random limestone. If they are vertical, you can to some extent judge the age by the amount of "bulge" from the hydrostatic pressure from the soil and they always require rebuilding eventually. The one I build in my garden slopes into the ground at an angle of about 20 degrees to the vertical and as yet (30 years) shows little sign of bulge. Serious constructors use stone filled gabions. |
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newshound Wrote in message:
On 22/05/2020 11:12, Jimk wrote: Tricky Dicky Wrote in message: Think L shape sections with the "foot"/footings facing away from the retained slope, with rebar running from the footings up through the retaining wall structure. Plenty of concrete around d the rebar of course... It?s actually the opposite. The L of the footings should face into the slope so that the backfill exerts a downward force on it to keep the wall upright. Richard Either is valid. Agreed, although they are working in different ways. The devil is in the detail. In practice it comes down to where the rebar should be placed in the "foot" - compression Vs tension etc. Round here it is common to see retaining walls built from semi-random limestone. If they are vertical, you can to some extent judge the age by the amount of "bulge" from the hydrostatic pressure from the soil and they always require rebuilding eventually. The one I build in my garden slopes into the ground at an angle of about 20 degrees to the vertical and as yet (30 years) shows little sign of bulge. Serious constructors use stone filled gabions. How long do they last though? 4/5mm galvanised wire strikes me as having a finite life.... -- Jimk ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 22/05/2020 17:39, Jimk wrote:
newshound Wrote in message: On 22/05/2020 11:12, Jimk wrote: Tricky Dicky Wrote in message: Think L shape sections with the "foot"/footings facing away from the retained slope, with rebar running from the footings up through the retaining wall structure. Plenty of concrete around d the rebar of course... It?s actually the opposite. The L of the footings should face into the slope so that the backfill exerts a downward force on it to keep the wall upright. Richard Either is valid. Agreed, although they are working in different ways. The devil is in the detail. In practice it comes down to where the rebar should be placed in the "foot" - compression Vs tension etc. Round here it is common to see retaining walls built from semi-random limestone. If they are vertical, you can to some extent judge the age by the amount of "bulge" from the hydrostatic pressure from the soil and they always require rebuilding eventually. The one I build in my garden slopes into the ground at an angle of about 20 degrees to the vertical and as yet (30 years) shows little sign of bulge. Serious constructors use stone filled gabions. How long do they last though? 4/5mm galvanised wire strikes me as having a finite life.... Inland, I'd expect it to still be going strong in 100 years. |
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On 22/05/2020 17:39, Jimk wrote: newshound Wrote in message: On 22/05/2020 11:12, Jimk wrote: Tricky Dicky Wrote in message: Think L shape sections with the "foot"/footings facing away from the retained slope, with rebar running from the footings up through the retaining wall structure. Plenty of concrete around d the rebar of course... It?s actually the opposite. The L of the footings should face into the slope so that the backfill exerts a downward force on it to keep the wall upright. Richard Either is valid. Agreed, although they are working in different ways. The devil is in the detail. In practice it comes down to where the rebar should be placed in the "foot" - compression Vs tension etc. Round here it is common to see retaining walls built from semi-random limestone. If they are vertical, you can to some extent judge the age by the amount of "bulge" from the hydrostatic pressure from the soil and they always require rebuilding eventually. The one I build in my garden slopes into the ground at an angle of about 20 degrees to the vertical and as yet (30 years) shows little sign of bulge. Serious constructors use stone filled gabions. How long do they last though? 4/5mm galvanised wire strikes me as having a finite life.... Inland, I'd expect it to still be going strong in 100 years. Because? -- Jimk ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 22/05/2020 17:39, Jimk wrote:
newshound Wrote in message: On 22/05/2020 11:12, Jimk wrote: Tricky Dicky Wrote in message: Think L shape sections with the "foot"/footings facing away from the retained slope, with rebar running from the footings up through the retaining wall structure. Plenty of concrete around d the rebar of course... It?s actually the opposite. The L of the footings should face into the slope so that the backfill exerts a downward force on it to keep the wall upright. Richard Either is valid. Agreed, although they are working in different ways. The devil is in the detail. In practice it comes down to where the rebar should be placed in the "foot" - compression Vs tension etc. Round here it is common to see retaining walls built from semi-random limestone. If they are vertical, you can to some extent judge the age by the amount of "bulge" from the hydrostatic pressure from the soil and they always require rebuilding eventually. The one I build in my garden slopes into the ground at an angle of about 20 degrees to the vertical and as yet (30 years) shows little sign of bulge. Serious constructors use stone filled gabions. How long do they last though? 4/5mm galvanised wire strikes me as having a finite life.... everything has a finite life...even timber retaining walls .... |
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"Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message ... On 22/05/2020 17:39, Jimk wrote: newshound Wrote in message: On 22/05/2020 11:12, Jimk wrote: Tricky Dicky Wrote in message: Think L shape sections with the "foot"/footings facing away from the retained slope, with rebar running from the footings up through the retaining wall structure. Plenty of concrete around d the rebar of course... It?s actually the opposite. The L of the footings should face into the slope so that the backfill exerts a downward force on it to keep the wall upright. Richard Either is valid. Agreed, although they are working in different ways. The devil is in the detail. In practice it comes down to where the rebar should be placed in the "foot" - compression Vs tension etc. Round here it is common to see retaining walls built from semi-random limestone. If they are vertical, you can to some extent judge the age by the amount of "bulge" from the hydrostatic pressure from the soil and they always require rebuilding eventually. The one I build in my garden slopes into the ground at an angle of about 20 degrees to the vertical and as yet (30 years) shows little sign of bulge. Serious constructors use stone filled gabions. How long do they last though? 4/5mm galvanised wire strikes me as having a finite life.... everything has a finite life...even timber retaining walls .... The pyramids didnt. |
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On 23/05/2020 08:43, Rod Speed wrote:
"Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message ... On 22/05/2020 17:39, Jimk wrote: newshound Wrote in message: On 22/05/2020 11:12, Jimk wrote: Tricky Dicky Wrote in message: Think L shape sections with the "foot"/footings facing away from the retained slope, with rebar running from the footings up through the retaining wall structure. Plenty of concrete around d the rebar of course... It?s actually the opposite. The L of the footings should face into the slope so that the backfill exerts a downward force on it to keep the wall upright. Richard Either is valid. Agreed, although they are working in different ways. The devil is in the detail. In practice it comes down to where the rebar shouldÂ* be placed in Â* the "foot" - compression Vs tension etc. Round here it is common to see retaining walls built from semi-random limestone. If they are vertical, you can to some extent judge the age by the amount of "bulge" from the hydrostatic pressure from the soil and they always require rebuilding eventually. The one I build in my garden slopes into the ground at an angle of about 20 degrees to the vertical and as yet (30 years) shows little sign of bulge. Serious constructors use stone filled gabions. How long do they last though? 4/5mm galvanised wire strikes me as Â* having a finite life.... everything has a finite life...even timber retaining walls .... The pyramids didnt. everything turns to dust...eventally |
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"Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message ... On 23/05/2020 08:43, Rod Speed wrote: "Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message ... On 22/05/2020 17:39, Jimk wrote: newshound Wrote in message: On 22/05/2020 11:12, Jimk wrote: Tricky Dicky Wrote in message: Think L shape sections with the "foot"/footings facing away from the retained slope, with rebar running from the footings up through the retaining wall structure. Plenty of concrete around d the rebar of course... It?s actually the opposite. The L of the footings should face into the slope so that the backfill exerts a downward force on it to keep the wall upright. Richard Either is valid. Agreed, although they are working in different ways. The devil is in the detail. In practice it comes down to where the rebar should be placed in the "foot" - compression Vs tension etc. Round here it is common to see retaining walls built from semi-random limestone. If they are vertical, you can to some extent judge the age by the amount of "bulge" from the hydrostatic pressure from the soil and they always require rebuilding eventually. The one I build in my garden slopes into the ground at an angle of about 20 degrees to the vertical and as yet (30 years) shows little sign of bulge. Serious constructors use stone filled gabions. How long do they last though? 4/5mm galvanised wire strikes me as having a finite life.... . everything has a finite life...even timber retaining walls .... The pyramids didnt. everything turns to dust...eventally Wrong, as always. Everest wont. |
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UNBELIEVABLE: It's 17:43 am in Australia and the Senile Ozzietard has been out of Bed and TROLLING for OVER FOURTEEN HOURS already!!!! LOL
On Sat, 23 May 2020 17:43:38 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread 17:43??? And you've been up and trolling since 03:19 last night, ALL NIGHT LONG, ALL MORNING, ALL AFTERNOON, and ALL EVENING ...yet AGAIN! LMAO -- Website (from 2007) dedicated to the 86-year-old trolling senile cretin from Oz: https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/r...d-faq.2973853/ |
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UNBELIEVABLE: It's 19:16 am in Australia and the Senile Ozzietard has been out of Bed and TROLLING for SIXTEEN HOURS already!!!! LOL
On Sat, 23 May 2020 19:16:35 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread 19:16 already????? Bruhahahahahahahahahahaaa!!! ...and you've been up and trolling since 03:19 last night, i.e. for SIXTEEN HOURS, yet AGAIN! LMAO -- Richard addressing senile Rodent Speed: "**** you're thick/pathetic excuse for a troll." MID: |
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