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A cautionary tale for saw table users
A cautionary tale! Typed using less than the usual number of fingers.
Until an hour ago I had never (in many! years) had a bad kick-back on a saw table. Everyone knows not to stand in-line with the cut and not to cut short pieces using the rip fence. I didn't stand in-line but couldn't be bothered to fit the cross-cut table and was "only" chamfering the edges of some new post tops, so ran the 110 square bits of 20mm sawn between the blade (canted to 45 degrees) and the rip fence - all was well until, very suddenly, it wasn't. Suddenly there was a bang and pain. The piece of wood must have rotated slightly, jammed between the blade and fence, and been fired backward at mach 2+ ... all exactly as I was warned by Mr? in woodwork class back in 1960something. Very fortunately my fingers did not get the blade (or vice versa) but the wood has caused bad bruising, swelling and a few holes in my right centre and ring finger - the centre one may be broken. I'm starting to wish the initial numbness would return. Take care, and use that cross cut table! |
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A cautionary tale for saw table users
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A cautionary tale for saw table users
On Wednesday, May 20, 2020 at 4:06:38 PM UTC+1, wrote:
A cautionary tale! Typed using less than the usual number of fingers. Until an hour ago I had never (in many! years) had a bad kick-back on a saw table. Everyone knows not to stand in-line with the cut and not to cut short pieces using the rip fence. I didn't stand in-line but couldn't be bothered to fit the cross-cut table and was "only" chamfering the edges of some new post tops, so ran the 110 square bits of 20mm sawn between the blade (canted to 45 degrees) and the rip fence - all was well until, very suddenly, it wasn't. Suddenly there was a bang and pain. The piece of wood must have rotated slightly, jammed between the blade and fence, and been fired backward at mach 2+ ... all exactly as I was warned by Mr? in woodwork class back in 1960something. Very fortunately my fingers did not get the blade (or vice versa) but the wood has caused bad bruising, swelling and a few holes in my right centre and ring finger - the centre one may be broken. I'm starting to wish the initial numbness would return. Take care, and use that cross cut table! I've had a few of those but only minor ones but definitely brown trouser moments. When I attempt what you did I use extreme caution. Best to clamp a small piece of wood to the fence which ends before the saw blade and take your measurement from there but we've all got 20/20 hindsight |
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A cautionary tale for saw table users
On Wednesday, May 20, 2020 at 4:06:38 PM UTC+1, wrote:
A cautionary tale! Typed using less than the usual number of fingers. Until an hour ago I had never (in many! years) had a bad kick-back on a saw table. Everyone knows not to stand in-line with the cut and not to cut short pieces using the rip fence. I didn't stand in-line but couldn't be bothered to fit the cross-cut table and was "only" chamfering the edges of some new post tops, so ran the 110 square bits of 20mm sawn between the blade (canted to 45 degrees) and the rip fence - all was well until, very suddenly, it wasn't. Suddenly there was a bang and pain. The piece of wood must have rotated slightly, jammed between the blade and fence, and been fired backward at mach 2+ ... all exactly as I was warned by Mr? in woodwork class back in 1960something. Very fortunately my fingers did not get the blade (or vice versa) but the wood has caused bad bruising, swelling and a few holes in my right centre and ring finger - the centre one may be broken. I'm starting to wish the initial numbness would return. Take care, and use that cross cut table! |
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On 21/05/2020 08:44, fred wrote:
On Wednesday, May 20, 2020 at 4:06:38 PM UTC+1, wrote: A cautionary tale! Typed using less than the usual number of fingers. Until an hour ago I had never (in many! years) had a bad kick-back on a saw table. Everyone knows not to stand in-line with the cut and not to cut short pieces using the rip fence. I didn't stand in-line but couldn't be bothered to fit the cross-cut table and was "only" chamfering the edges of some new post tops, so ran the 110 square bits of 20mm sawn between the blade (canted to 45 degrees) and the rip fence - all was well until, very suddenly, it wasn't. Suddenly there was a bang and pain. The piece of wood must have rotated slightly, jammed between the blade and fence, and been fired backward at mach 2+ ... all exactly as I was warned by Mr? in woodwork class back in 1960something. Very fortunately my fingers did not get the blade (or vice versa) but the wood has caused bad bruising, swelling and a few holes in my right centre and ring finger - the centre one may be broken. I'm starting to wish the initial numbness would return. Take care, and use that cross cut table! I've had a few of those but only minor ones but definitely brown trouser moments. When I attempt what you did I use extreme caution. Best to clamp a small piece of wood to the fence which ends before the saw blade and take your measurement from there but we've all got 20/20 hindsight Yes, when cutting to length I normally clamp a block to the rip fence or use the cross-cut carriage with a stop block to get repeatable lengths .... but I needed a chamfer and the blade only tilts one way and this was "only" a small cut, and (insert lots of other "only"s) - bottom line is that I was a prat and lucky to escape with my right middle finger still attached and likely to function normally once it stops looking like an over-inflated blue balloon. My wife is very relieved ;-) |
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On 21/05/2020 09:04, wrote:
On 21/05/2020 08:44, fred wrote: I've had a few of those but only minor ones but definitely brown trouser moments. When I attempt what you did I use extreme caution. Best to clamp a small piece of wood to the fence which ends before the saw blade and take your measurement from there but we've all got 20/20 hindsight Yes, when cutting to length I normally clamp a block to the rip fence or use the cross-cut carriage with a stop block to get repeatable lengths .... but I needed a chamfer and the blade only tilts one way and this I used to have that problem with mine, until I made up a box to go round the OEM rip fence that made both sides useable. So I can choose which side to have the fence, and hence whether the blade tilts towards or away from the fence. was "only" a small cut, and (insert lots of other "only"s) - bottom line is that I was a prat and lucky to escape with my right middle finger still attached and likely to function normally once it stops looking like an over-inflated blue balloon. My wife is very relieved ;-) There is a temptation to read far more into that statement than you probably intended :-) -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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A cautionary tale for saw table users
On 21/05/2020 13:32, John Rumm wrote:
On 21/05/2020 09:04, wrote: On 21/05/2020 08:44, fred wrote: I've had a few of those but only minor ones but definitely brown trouser moments. When I attempt what you did I use extreme caution. Best to clamp a small piece of wood to the fence which ends before the saw blade and take your measurement from there but we've all got 20/20 hindsight Yes, when cutting to length I normally clamp a block to the rip fence or use the cross-cut carriage with a stop block to get repeatable lengths .... but I needed a chamfer and the blade only tilts one way and this I used to have that problem with mine, until I made up a box to go round the OEM rip fence that made both sides useable. So I can choose which side to have the fence, and hence whether the blade tilts towards or away from the fence. The rip fence goes either side of the blade but there's not much space on the right side (the blade tilts to the left) because of the other functions - it's a Kity Bestcombi 2000. An excellent machine, and all perfectly good provided the operator doesn't behave like a prat. was "only" a small cut, and (insert lots of other "only"s) - bottom line is that I was a prat and lucky to escape with my right middle finger still attached and likely to function normally once it stops looking like an over-inflated blue balloon. My wife is very relieved ;-) There is a temptation to read far more into that statement than you probably intended :-) It was intended ;-) |
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A cautionary tale for saw table users
On Wednesday, 20 May 2020 16:06:38 UTC+1, wrote:
A cautionary tale! Typed using less than the usual number of fingers. Until an hour ago I had never (in many! years) had a bad kick-back on a saw table. Everyone knows not to stand in-line with the cut and not to cut short pieces using the rip fence. I didn't stand in-line but couldn't be bothered to fit the cross-cut table and was "only" chamfering the edges of some new post tops, so ran the 110 square bits of 20mm sawn between the blade (canted to 45 degrees) and the rip fence - all was well until, very suddenly, it wasn't. Suddenly there was a bang and pain. The piece of wood must have rotated slightly, jammed between the blade and fence, and been fired backward at mach 2+ ... all exactly as I was warned by Mr? in woodwork class back in 1960something. Very fortunately my fingers did not get the blade (or vice versa) but the wood has caused bad bruising, swelling and a few holes in my right centre and ring finger - the centre one may be broken. I'm starting to wish the initial numbness would return. Take care, and use that cross cut table! This where the portable electric saw is better. Missiles go down rather than up. |
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A cautionary tale for saw table users
On 21/05/2020 15:10, wrote:
On 21/05/2020 13:32, John Rumm wrote: On 21/05/2020 09:04, wrote: On 21/05/2020 08:44, fred wrote: I've had a few of those but only minor ones but definitely brown trouser moments. When I attempt what you did I use extreme caution. Best to clamp a small piece of wood to the fence which ends before the saw blade and take your measurement from there but we've all got 20/20 hindsight Yes, when cutting to length I normally clamp a block to the rip fence or use the cross-cut carriage with a stop block to get repeatable lengths .... but I needed a chamfer and the blade only tilts one way and this I used to have that problem with mine, until I made up a box to go round the OEM rip fence that made both sides useable. So I can choose which side to have the fence, and hence whether the blade tilts towards or away from the fence. The rip fence goes either side of the blade but there's not much space on the right side (the blade tilts to the left) because of the other functions - it's a Kity Bestcombi 2000. An excellent machine, and all perfectly good provided the operator doesn't behave like a prat. Ah, yup see what you mean - have the proper sliding table steals quite a bit of fence rail width on that side. was "only" a small cut, and (insert lots of other "only"s) - bottom line is that I was a prat and lucky to escape with my right middle finger still attached and likely to function normally once it stops looking like an over-inflated blue balloon. My wife is very relieved ;-) There is a temptation to read far more into that statement than you probably intended :-) It was intended ;-) Perhaps you need something that can take away the pain but leave the swelling :-) -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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A cautionary tale for saw table users
On 21/05/2020 15:10, wrote:
On 21/05/2020 13:32, John Rumm wrote: On 21/05/2020 09:04, wrote: On 21/05/2020 08:44, fred wrote: I've had a few of those but only minor ones but definitely brown trouser moments. When I attempt what you did I use extreme caution. Best to clamp a small piece of wood to the fence which ends before the saw blade and take your measurement from there but we've all got 20/20 hindsight Yes, when cutting to length I normally clamp a block to the rip fence or use the cross-cut carriage with a stop block to get repeatable lengths .... but I needed a chamfer and the blade only tilts one way and this I used to have that problem with mine, until I made up a box to go round the OEM rip fence that made both sides useable. So I can choose which side to have the fence, and hence whether the blade tilts towards or away from the fence. The rip fence goes either side of the blade but there's not much space on the right side (the blade tilts to the left) because of the other functions - it's a Kity Bestcombi 2000. An excellent machine, and all perfectly good provided the operator doesn't behave like a prat. Ah, yup see what you mean - have the proper sliding table steals quite a bit of fence rail width on that side. was "only" a small cut, and (insert lots of other "only"s) - bottom line is that I was a prat and lucky to escape with my right middle finger still attached and likely to function normally once it stops looking like an over-inflated blue balloon. My wife is very relieved ;-) There is a temptation to read far more into that statement than you probably intended :-) It was intended ;-) Perhaps you need something that can take away the pain but leave the swelling :-) -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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