On 18/03/2020 10:32, Theo wrote:

Indeed not. The people who aren't allowed to park on it includes
you. As dropped kerbs aren't associated with particular car
registrations or keepers only with the addresses where they're located.
Which isn't to say this isn't regularly flouted as in streets
without other restrictions, parking wardens would probably only
show up as the result of a complaint from the person with the
dropped kerb

You aren't allowed to park on it, but it is constructed for the sole use to
enter your property. It isn't reserved for you, Mr J. Bloggs, but it's
reserved to allow entrance of the property 99 Acacia Avenue, whose sole
resident happens to be Mr J. Bloggs.

Think of a row of terraced houses that front directly onto the pavement.
A drop kerb would be nonsensical.

Bill

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
If you have a driveway, why would you park on the street?

The mention about dropped kerbs is an example of when householders get some
rights over the street outside their house. I'm saying that, with
sufficient legal approvals, another instance could be where someone in a
house without a drive could feed a charger in the street from their own
electricity supply.

Optionally that space may be made available to others through a public
charging scheme. Then it isn't 'private' in any sense. Just like you can
get a disabled parking space outside your house in certain circumstances -
for use by any disabled people.

At one time, there were parking meters at every bay where anyone could
park. Not going to cost that much more to do the same with charging points?

The issue is there isn't sufficient wiring in the street (lampposts etc)
to power many charging points. My suggestion is to use the nice 100A feed
that's only a few metres away in the house.

Theo

On 18/03/2020 15:44, charles wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 18/03/2020 14:15, Chris J Dixon wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,

But you do get a reserved space outside your house if you get a dropped
kerb installed. OK you aren't supposed to park on it, but it is
effectively reserved for your use (to come and go to your drive) -
people aren't allowed to park in it and so it reserves a little bit of
your street.

If you have a driveway, why would you park on the street?

Because there are more vehicles at the property than will fit on
the drive?

Chris

I have a double garage. I measured the new car. It's too wide to fit
either side.

Change the door to a big up and over.

I may have to do that, but that means some mind of structural
strengthening of the lintel

May just knock it down and put in something else


--
The lifetime of any political organisation is about three years before
its been subverted by the people it tried to warn you about.

Anon.

In article ,
williamwright wrote:
On 18/03/2020 10:32, Theo wrote:

Indeed not. The people who aren't allowed to park on it includes
you. As dropped kerbs aren't associated with particular car
registrations or keepers only with the addresses where they're located.
Which isn't to say this isn't regularly flouted as in streets
without other restrictions, parking wardens would probably only
show up as the result of a complaint from the person with the
dropped kerb

You aren't allowed to park on it, but it is constructed for the sole
use to enter your property. It isn't reserved for you, Mr J. Bloggs,
but it's reserved to allow entrance of the property 99 Acacia Avenue,
whose sole resident happens to be Mr J. Bloggs.

Think of a row of terraced houses that front directly onto the pavement.
A drop kerb would be nonsensical.

Convert the front room to a garage. Problem solved.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
Change the door to a big up and over.

I may have to do that, but that means some mind of structural
strengthening of the lintel

May just knock it down and put in something else

This is the crux of the problem. How does a builder remove two short
lintels/RSJs and the brick pillar between the two narrow doors which is
supporting one end of each lintel, and install a longer lintel which is
supported only at each end and not in the middle, while continuing to
support the courses of bricks above the lintels?

I realise that you use acroprops to provide temporary support while the
short lintel is replaced by the full one, but you need to slide out one end
of the lintel and then get the acroprop in before the courses of bricks
above start to "bend" into the gap. Rinse and repeat all the way along as
the old lintels are gradually removed, and then reverse the process as the
new lintel is inserted in their place.

I meant to watch the builders who did this when they inserted a new doorway
into the brick/breezeblock wall of our house, but I forgot, and by the time
I remembered, they'd already done it.

In message , at 15:31:12 on Wed, 18 Mar
2020, NY remarked:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
I have a double garage. I measured the new car. It's too wide to fit
either side.

It doesn't help that many so-called double garages are just two single
garages joined together - ie they still have single-garage apertures
and separate doors, with a huge pillar between, rather than a
double-width aperture and door. I suppose the advantage of two singles
is that the doors are not as heavy (though any reputable garage door
should have its weight almost compensated by springs or counterweights)
and they can use two shorter RSJs rather than one longer RSJ - at the
expense of losing the advantage of having a double garage.

It's actually a planning rule, because they think that garages with two
doors like that look less industrial than ones with a single massive
door.

--
Roland Perry

In message , at 16:11:08 on Wed, 18 Mar
2020, michael adams remarked:
But you do get a reserved space outside your house if you get a dropped
kerb installed. OK you aren't supposed to park on it, but it is
effectively reserved for your use (to come and go to your drive) - people
aren't allowed to park in it and so it reserves a little bit of your
street.

not so.

Indeed not. The people who aren't allowed to park on it includes
you.

It includes anyone with the householder's permission.

What's being talked about AFAIAA, is the section of public
road on which the concession the Council makes in allowing
people to park their cars on the Councils property is
suspended by way of a parking restriction.
What anyone does on the householder's side of the dropped
kerb is, as you say, the householders business.

But people with the householders permission can ignore the "no parking
across the drive" restriction.

How easily that can be policed by a random passing traffic warden is a
different debate.
--
Roland Perry

In message , at 16:09:09 on Wed, 18 Mar
2020, Brian Reay remarked:
You could imagine the same principle for charge points - apply to the
council, council electrician comes and installs approved charge point in the
road, wired in to your electricity supply, council makes good the pavement.
You get a proper 32A (or whatever) fast charging point outside your house.

Not so clever when you have a 60A main fuse.


Provided your €˜tails ( the cables from the incomer (main cable) to the
meter and meter to consumer unit) are 25mm, the power company will upgrade
you to 100A free.

There is a page on the website, you pop in some basic details, book a date,
someone turns up, does the swap, job done. Unbelievably efficient.

The two chaps who did mine were great, they commented on my earth bonding,
which led to an interesting chat re how much of they work was involved in
changing earths to PME and a few other things. Even did an Earth check. All
for a cup of coffee and chocolate biscuits.

There was no other fee? I've been advised that upgrading the tails is
something *I* need to pay for.
--
Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 15:31:12 on Wed, 18 Mar 2020,
NY remarked:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
I have a double garage. I measured the new car. It's too wide to fit
either side.

It doesn't help that many so-called double garages are just two single
garages joined together - ie they still have single-garage apertures and
separate doors, with a huge pillar between, rather than a double-width
aperture and door. I suppose the advantage of two singles is that the
doors are not as heavy (though any reputable garage door should have its
weight almost compensated by springs or counterweights) and they can use
two shorter RSJs rather than one longer RSJ - at the expense of losing the
advantage of having a double garage.

It's actually a planning rule, because they think that garages with two
doors like that look less industrial than ones with a single massive door.

Really? So you are forced to have two doors which are too narrow to
accommodate many modern cars safely, when a single door with no central
pillar would allow both cars to enter with ease? A triumph of aesthetics
over usefulness. That's a real bummer. We were planning to get the two
chocolate-teapot doors replaced with one big one that was actually useful.

Our house has (effectively) two double garages at right angles. The garage
that faces the road has two single doors which are fairly narrow, whereas
the workshop (the previous owner did his own car maintenance) which is at
right angles has a double door. I wonder if the difference is due to
planning regs and the fact that the double door can't be seen from the road?

It would be better if you were forced to have separate doors for the pillar
to be made non-load-bearing and as thin as possible, so as to make the width
of each door as great as possible while paying lip service to the rules.

When did the rule come in? The last house that I've seen with a double door
was my parents' house that was built in 1972, which is a good while ago.

In article , NY wrote:
"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 15:31:12 on Wed, 18 Mar
2020, NY remarked:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
I have a double garage. I measured the new car. It's too wide to fit
either side.

It doesn't help that many so-called double garages are just two single
garages joined together - ie they still have single-garage apertures
and separate doors, with a huge pillar between, rather than a
double-width aperture and door. I suppose the advantage of two singles
is that the doors are not as heavy (though any reputable garage door
should have its weight almost compensated by springs or
counterweights) and they can use two shorter RSJs rather than one
longer RSJ - at the expense of losing the advantage of having a double
garage.

It's actually a planning rule, because they think that garages with two
doors like that look less industrial than ones with a single massive
door.

Really? So you are forced to have two doors which are too narrow to
accommodate many modern cars safely, when a single door with no central
pillar would allow both cars to enter with ease? A triumph of aesthetics
over usefulness. That's a real bummer. We were planning to get the two
chocolate-teapot doors replaced with one big one that was actually useful.

Our house has (effectively) two double garages at right angles. The
garage that faces the road has two single doors which are fairly narrow,
whereas the workshop (the previous owner did his own car maintenance)
which is at right angles has a double door. I wonder if the difference
is due to planning regs and the fact that the double door can't be seen
from the road?

It would be better if you were forced to have separate doors for the
pillar to be made non-load-bearing and as thin as possible, so as to
make the width of each door as great as possible while paying lip
service to the rules.

When did the rule come in? The last house that I've seen with a double
door was my parents' house that was built in 1972, which is a good while
ago.

I suspect thast it is one local authority's view. Contact your local
planning department - if there's anyone still left.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

On 18/03/2020 20:43, NY wrote:
Really? So you are forced to have two doors which are too narrow to
accommodate many modern cars safely, when a single door with no central
pillar would allow both cars to enter with ease? A triumph of aesthetics
over usefulness. That's a real bummer. We were planning to get the two
chocolate-teapot doors replaced with one big one that was actually useful.

Say the doors are 5ft6, the car is 5ft, and the central pillar is 2ft.

You can get your car in the left hand garage, and you've got 2ft6 gap
before the car door hits the other car. That'll work. Just. Hope you've
got a gap at the right of the garage for the other car.

Make it one big door, removing the central pillar, and you have a much
larger gap of ... oh. 2ft6 to the other car. Maybe a little less because
you don't put it through the door as carefully.

Andy

"NY" wrote in message
...
"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 15:31:12 on Wed, 18 Mar 2020,
NY remarked:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
I have a double garage. I measured the new car. It's too wide to fit
either side.

It doesn't help that many so-called double garages are just two single
garages joined together - ie they still have single-garage apertures and
separate doors, with a huge pillar between, rather than a double-width
aperture and door. I suppose the advantage of two singles is that the
doors are not as heavy (though any reputable garage door should have its
weight almost compensated by springs or counterweights) and they can use
two shorter RSJs rather than one longer RSJ - at the expense of losing
the advantage of having a double garage.

It's actually a planning rule, because they think that garages with two
doors like that look less industrial than ones with a single massive
door.

Really? So you are forced to have two doors which are too narrow to
accommodate many modern cars safely, when a single door with no central
pillar would allow both cars to enter with ease?

Plenty of ours have separate doors but they always allow all cars in the
individual doors.

Not requited, plenty do have double width doors too.

Some have 3 that can all take any car.

Maybe your house block widths are too narrow.
Ours are mostly 50' and have been for decades.

A triumph of aesthetics over usefulness. That's a real bummer. We were
planning to get the two chocolate-teapot doors replaced with one big one
that was actually useful.

Our house has (effectively) two double garages at right angles. The garage
that faces the road has two single doors which are fairly narrow, whereas
the workshop (the previous owner did his own car maintenance) which is at
right angles has a double door. I wonder if the difference is due to
planning regs and the fact that the double door can't be seen from the
road?

It would be better if you were forced to have separate doors for the
pillar to be made non-load-bearing and as thin as possible, so as to make
the width of each door as great as possible while paying lip service to
the rules.

When did the rule come in? The last house that I've seen with a double
door was my parents' house that was built in 1972, which is a good while
ago.

On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 09:57:32 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


Really? So you are forced to have two doors which are too narrow to
accommodate many modern cars safely, when a single door with no central
pillar would allow both cars to enter with ease?

Plenty of ours

Who's "ours", senile Arsetralian arsehole?

--
The Natural Philosopher about senile Rodent:
"Rod speed is not a Brexiteer. He is an Australian troll and arsehole."
Message-ID:

NY wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
Change the door to a big up and over.

I may have to do that, but that means some mind of structural
strengthening of the lintel

May just knock it down and put in something else

This is the crux of the problem. How does a builder remove two short
lintels/RSJs and the brick pillar between the two narrow doors which is
supporting one end of each lintel, and install a longer lintel which is
supported only at each end and not in the middle, while continuing to
support the courses of bricks above the lintels?

I realise that you use acroprops to provide temporary support while the
short lintel is replaced by the full one, but you need to slide out one end
of the lintel and then get the acroprop in before the courses of bricks
above start to "bend" into the gap. Rinse and repeat all the way along as
the old lintels are gradually removed, and then reverse the process as the
new lintel is inserted in their place.

I meant to watch the builders who did this when they inserted a new doorway
into the brick/breezeblock wall of our house, but I forgot, and by the time
I remembered, they'd already done it.



I saw an RSJ positioned so a whole wall could be taken out years ago, to
make two rooms into one. A small hole was made in a couple of places where
the span would be. The new RSJ was laid on the ground ready - this was key,
why became obvious, wood planks were pushed through the holes and up
against the ceiling, supported by Akros. Two more Akros were used to
support the RSJ up near its final position. It was placed on the floor
previously as the other Akros would be in the way. Bricks where the RSJ was
to go were removed and seating prepared for ends. RSJ moved off Akros and
into position. I didnt see the rest but I assume, finish around RSJ,
remove cross planks, and unwanted wall.

The men doing it made it look easy. At the time, Id never done any serious
DIY ( I was still a student, it was an acquaintances house) and I was
fascinated.

NY wrote:

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
Change the door to a big up and over.

I may have to do that, but that means some mind of structural
strengthening of the lintel

May just knock it down and put in something else

This is the crux of the problem. How does a builder remove two short
lintels/RSJs and the brick pillar between the two narrow doors which is
supporting one end of each lintel, and install a longer lintel which is
supported only at each end and not in the middle, while continuing to
support the courses of bricks above the lintels?

I realise that you use acroprops to provide temporary support while the
short lintel is replaced by the full one, but you need to slide out one end
of the lintel and then get the acroprop in before the courses of bricks
above start to "bend" into the gap. Rinse and repeat all the way along as
the old lintels are gradually removed, and then reverse the process as the
new lintel is inserted in their place.

I meant to watch the builders who did this when they inserted a new doorway
into the brick/breezeblock wall of our house, but I forgot, and by the time
I remembered, they'd already done it.

You need props with shortish, thin cantilevers to load bear off the axis
of the prop and go between the lintel and the masonry above.
--

Roger Hayter

Roland Perry wrote:

Theo wrote:

Maybe they can load balance, so when you run the oven, tumble drier,
electric shower and GSHP all together the car scales back its charge
rate to avoid overloading the supply incomer.

A big maybe.

There are car-chargers that can have remote current transformer
monitoring, so can work out from the rated supply, minus usage, plus any
contribution from solar and throttle the car to what's available, e.g.
the Zappi

https://youtu.be/gwmiGf6tChE

"Roland Perry" wrote in message ...

But people with the householders permission can ignore the "no parking across the
drive" restriction.

Anyone *can* can ignore the "no parking across the drive"
restriction, regardless of whether they have the householder's
permission or not. At least providing there's not already
a car parked there and there's sufficient room for
manouvere.

Certain people *may* ignore the "no parking across the drive"
restriction providing they have the householders permission.


How easily that can be policed by a random passing traffic warden is a different
debate.

That would probably depend on your attitude to openly flouting the
law, I suppose. Whether or not you feel it your duty, as a law abiding
citizen to set a good example to others, regardless of the likelihood
of getting caught.


michael adams

....

!michael adams" wrote in message
...

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...

But people with the householders permission can ignore the "no parking
across the drive" restriction.

Anyone *can* can ignore the "no parking across the drive"
restriction, regardless of whether they have the householder's
permission or not. At least providing there's not already
a car parked there and there's sufficient room for
manouvere.

What surprises me is how powerless the police seem to be when a car is
parked across a drive, blocking access. Given how assiduously the tow-away
trucks take cars that are parked where they are not causing an obstruction
(just outstaying their welcome, which is a *much* less serious offence
IMHO), it's surprising that cars which are causing an obstruction across a
drive cannot legally be towed away, as long as they have valid tax, MOT and
insurance.

My parents have a long layby outside their drive (and outside lots of
neighbouring houses). People park in their in order to walk the 1/4 mile to
the railway station. Fair enough, as long as their are nor blocking anyone's
drive. But on several occasions people have been blocked from getting their
cars out, and the police do not want to know, because the layby is deemed
not to be part for the highway, even though it needs to be crossed to access
drives. (*) One of our neighbours very carefully (so as to avoid causing
damage) jacked up the rear wheels (**) in turn and put wheelskates
underneath, and pushed the car a couple of feet forwards. The police said
that providing no damage was done, this was not illegal.


(*) Interestingly, they weren't even interested in cars parked in the marked
bus stop part of the layby.

(**) The ones which would be locked by the handbrake. I presume he had
already established that the car was not in gear which would have locked the
front wheels, requiring them to be raised as well.

In message , at 20:43:50 on Wed, 18 Mar
2020, NY remarked:
"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 15:31:12 on Wed, 18 Mar
2020, NY remarked:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
I have a double garage. I measured the new car. It's too wide to
fit either side.

It doesn't help that many so-called double garages are just two
single garages joined together - ie they still have single-garage
apertures and separate doors, with a huge pillar between, rather than
a double-width aperture and door. I suppose the advantage of two
singles is that the doors are not as heavy (though any reputable
garage door should have its weight almost compensated by springs or
counterweights) and they can use two shorter RSJs rather than one
longer RSJ - at the expense of losing the advantage of having a double garage.

It's actually a planning rule, because they think that garages with
two doors like that look less industrial than ones with a single
massive door.

Really?
....
When did the rule come in? The last house that I've seen with a double
door was my parents' house that was built in 1972, which is a good
while ago.

I expect it has crept in at different times at different local
authorities.
--
Roland Perry

Think of a row of terraced houses that front directly onto the pavement.
A drop kerb would be nonsensical.

A dropped kerb can be placed anywhere to provide a crossing point for pedestrians. From someone who got fined for parking alongside one in Ilkley despite the parking bay being marked out across the dropped kerb section.

Richard

In message , at 10:45:11 on Thu, 19 Mar
2020, NY remarked:

My parents have a long layby outside their drive (and outside lots of
neighbouring houses). People park in their in order to walk the 1/4
mile to the railway station. Fair enough, as long as their are nor
blocking anyone's drive. But on several occasions people have been
blocked from getting their cars out, and the police do not want to
know, because the layby is deemed not to be part for the highway,

The highway includes the pavement and laybys as well as the bit the
through traffic drives upon. If they really think it's not a highway
then you could start charging people to park there!

even though it needs to be crossed to access drives.

What they probably mean is that the car isn't causing an *obstruction*
on the highway, but my understanding is that if it's blocking someone
in, then it will be (but asymmetrically, blocking someone from returning
home, not, unless that's an old wives tale).
--
Roland Perry

"NY" wrote in message ...
!michael adams" wrote in message
...

"Roland Perry" wrote in message ...

But people with the householders permission can ignore the "no parking across the
drive" restriction.

Anyone *can* can ignore the "no parking across the drive"
restriction, regardless of whether they have the householder's
permission or not. At least providing there's not already
a car parked there and there's sufficient room for
manouvere.

What surprises me is how powerless the police seem to be when a car is parked across a
drive, blocking access. Given how assiduously the tow-away trucks take cars that are
parked where they are not causing an obstruction (just outstaying their welcome, which
is a *much* less serious offence IMHO), it's surprising that cars which are causing an
obstruction across a drive cannot legally be towed away, as long as they have valid
tax, MOT and insurance.

My parents have a long layby outside their drive (and outside lots of neighbouring
houses). People park in their in order to walk the 1/4 mile to the railway station.
Fair enough, as long as their are nor blocking anyone's drive. But on several occasions
people have been blocked from getting their cars out, and the police do not want to
know, because the layby is deemed not to be part for the highway, even though it needs
to be crossed to access drives. (*) One of our neighbours very carefully (so as to
avoid causing damage) jacked up the rear wheels (**) in turn and put wheelskates
underneath, and pushed the car a couple of feet forwards. The police said that
providing no damage was done, this was not illegal.


(*) Interestingly, they weren't even interested in cars parked in the marked bus stop
part of the layby.

(**) The ones which would be locked by the handbrake. I presume he had already
established that the car was not in gear which would have locked the front wheels,
requiring them to be raised as well.

And yet its a potential source of revenue. Is there maybe an ongoing
dispute between the Police and the Local Authority ? Who at least here
in West London, actually cop all the revenue from parking and similar
fines. It might be a matter of who is going to pay for the tow truck
as well. As to which of them. the designated TT company have the
arrangement with. Maybe its argued it should be the responsibility of
Wardens employed by the Council, general buck-passing IOW.


michael adams

....

In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 18/03/2020 14:15, Chris J Dixon wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,

But you do get a reserved space outside your house if you get a dropped
kerb installed. OK you aren't supposed to park on it, but it is
effectively reserved for your use (to come and go to your drive) -
people aren't allowed to park in it and so it reserves a little bit of
your street.

If you have a driveway, why would you park on the street?

Because there are more vehicles at the property than will fit on
the drive?

Chris

I have a double garage. I measured the new car. It's too wide to fit
either side.

I'd have expected an intelligent person to measure the car before buying
it - if such things are important.

--
*Eat well, stay fit, die anyway

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Chris J Dixon wrote:
NY wrote:

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
I have a double garage. I measured the new car. It's too wide to fit
either side.

It doesn't help that many so-called double garages are just two single
garages joined together

When I moved here, over 30 years ago (1), I thought that the nice
large garage with sliding segmented door would be great.

However, when I checked the measurements, it wasn't long enough
for my Volvo 240 :-(

https://goo.gl/maps/UXEMye5X1Lnd1WpN6

(1) Only stayed for 2 years

Chris

Has anyone ever bought a house with a garage built at the same time which
was actually an adequate size for the sort of car that house would expect
to see?

--
*Change is inevitable, except from a vending machine*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Theo wrote:
At one time, there were parking meters at every bay where anyone could
park. Not going to cost that much more to do the same with charging
points?

The issue is there isn't sufficient wiring in the street (lampposts etc)
to power many charging points. My suggestion is to use the nice 100A
feed that's only a few metres away in the house.

Does the housing feed not also come down the street? And go under the
pavement into each house? So just as accessible as a street light one?

--
*Gun Control: Use both hands.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Theo wrote:
At one time, there were parking meters at every bay where anyone could
park. Not going to cost that much more to do the same with charging
points?

The issue is there isn't sufficient wiring in the street (lampposts etc)
to power many charging points. My suggestion is to use the nice 100A
feed that's only a few metres away in the house.

Does the housing feed not also come down the street? And go under the
pavement into each house? So just as accessible as a street light one?

Yes but if you tap into the feed upstream of the house and meter, there is
no way to include the electricity usage in the house electricity bill. You'd
need to run a third wire from the downstream side of the meter to the
roadside charging point.

I presume street lights are billed to the local council according to number
of hours that the timer turns them on and the rated power of each light
(which varies with technology eg sodium versus LED) - unless each lamp-post
has its own meter.

In article ,
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 20:43:50 on Wed, 18 Mar
2020, NY remarked:
"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 15:31:12 on Wed, 18 Mar
2020, NY remarked:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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I have a double garage. I measured the new car. It's too wide to
fit either side.

It doesn't help that many so-called double garages are just two
single garages joined together - ie they still have single-garage
apertures and separate doors, with a huge pillar between, rather than
a double-width aperture and door. I suppose the advantage of two
singles is that the doors are not as heavy (though any reputable
garage door should have its weight almost compensated by springs or
counterweights) and they can use two shorter RSJs rather than one
longer RSJ - at the expense of losing the advantage of having a double
garage.

It's actually a planning rule, because they think that garages with
two doors like that look less industrial than ones with a single
massive door.

Really?
...
When did the rule come in? The last house that I've seen with a double
door was my parents' house that was built in 1972, which is a good
while ago.

I expect it has crept in at different times at different local
authorities.

next door added to their house less than 10 years ago. The now intgral
garage has a single double door.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Chris J Dixon wrote:
NY wrote:

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
I have a double garage. I measured the new car. It's too wide to fit
either side.

It doesn't help that many so-called double garages are just two single
garages joined together

When I moved here, over 30 years ago (1), I thought that the nice
large garage with sliding segmented door would be great.

However, when I checked the measurements, it wasn't long enough
for my Volvo 240 :-(

https://goo.gl/maps/UXEMye5X1Lnd1WpN6

(1) Only stayed for 2 years

Chris

Has anyone ever bought a house with a garage built at the same time which
was actually an adequate size for the sort of car that house would expect
to see?

when my parents moved in 1958 it was to a house built in 1939. The lady
selling said the garage will take a Rolls & a Cadillac - we've tried it."

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Theo wrote:
At one time, there were parking meters at every bay where anyone could
park. Not going to cost that much more to do the same with charging
points?

The issue is there isn't sufficient wiring in the street (lampposts etc)
to power many charging points. My suggestion is to use the nice 100A
feed that's only a few metres away in the house.

Does the housing feed not also come down the street? And go under the
pavement into each house? So just as accessible as a street light one?

probably 2 or 3 feet down and possibly in the road.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

In article , NY wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article , Theo
wrote:
At one time, there were parking meters at every bay where anyone
could park. Not going to cost that much more to do the same with
charging points?

The issue is there isn't sufficient wiring in the street (lampposts
etc) to power many charging points. My suggestion is to use the nice
100A feed that's only a few metres away in the house.

Does the housing feed not also come down the street? And go under the
pavement into each house? So just as accessible as a street light one?

Yes but if you tap into the feed upstream of the house and meter, there
is no way to include the electricity usage in the house electricity
bill. You'd need to run a third wire from the downstream side of the
meter to the roadside charging point.

I presume street lights are billed to the local council according to
number of hours that the timer turns them on and the rated power of each
light (which varies with technology eg sodium versus LED) - unless each
lamp-post has its own meter.

working (as a student) with SESEB, the substations often provided a
separate street light supply with the time clock in the substation.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

In article ,
michael adams wrote:
And yet its a potential source of revenue. Is there maybe an ongoing
dispute between the Police and the Local Authority ? Who at least here
in West London, actually cop all the revenue from parking and similar
fines. It might be a matter of who is going to pay for the tow truck
as well. As to which of them. the designated TT company have the
arrangement with. Maybe its argued it should be the responsibility of
Wardens employed by the Council, general buck-passing IOW.

The powers of council parking enforcement types are limited.

The police would need to arrange for a vehicle blocking a driveway to be
removed - assuming a normal residential street. And given they won't
usually even turn out for a break-in, good luck with that.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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In article ,
NY wrote:
Does the housing feed not also come down the street? And go under the
pavement into each house? So just as accessible as a street light one?

Yes but if you tap into the feed upstream of the house and meter, there
is no way to include the electricity usage in the house electricity
bill. You'd need to run a third wire from the downstream side of the
meter to the roadside charging point.

Surely not a problem to have some form of smart (cost) charging these
days? After all, in most towns, you can't guarantee being able to park
outside your house. So would make sense to be able to use any charging
point and pay for that there and then.

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In article ,
charles wrote:
Has anyone ever bought a house with a garage built at the same time which
was actually an adequate size for the sort of car that house would expect
to see?

when my parents moved in 1958 it was to a house built in 1939. The lady
selling said the garage will take a Rolls & a Cadillac - we've tried it."

Remember some friends buying a house with built in garage in a posh part
of Aberdeen. Built in the 30s. Biggest current car it would take was a
Morris 1100 (the FWD type) And even then the passenger had to get out
first.

My parents had their garage built in the 50s. Big enough for any family
car and wide enough to open its doors too. Pretty rare then.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

My parents had their garage built in the 50s. Big enough for any family
car and wide enough to open its doors too. Pretty rare then.

Friend of mine was building a kit car, so built a big garage,
with pit. I'm pretty sure its plan area was bigger then that of
his house. You can just about see the edge of it behind the
house.

https://goo.gl/maps/GvsWyz7iSyvTY5Ty7

He has since moved to a place with much more space.

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK
@ChrisJDixon1

Plant amazing Acers.

"michael adams" wrote in message
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"NY" wrote in message
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"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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But people with the householders permission can ignore the "no parking
across the drive" restriction.

Anyone *can* can ignore the "no parking across the drive"
restriction, regardless of whether they have the householder's
permission or not. At least providing there's not already
a car parked there and there's sufficient room for
manouvere.

What surprises me is how powerless the police seem to be when a car is
parked across a drive, blocking access. Given how assiduously the
tow-away trucks take cars that are parked where they are not causing an
obstruction (just outstaying their welcome, which is a *much* less
serious offence IMHO), it's surprising that cars which are causing an
obstruction across a drive cannot legally be towed away, as long as they
have valid tax, MOT and insurance.

My parents have a long layby outside their drive (and outside lots of
neighbouring houses). People park in their in order to walk the 1/4 mile
to the railway station. Fair enough, as long as their are nor blocking
anyone's drive. But on several occasions people have been blocked from
getting their cars out, and the police do not want to know, because the
layby is deemed not to be part for the highway, even though it needs to
be crossed to access drives. (*) One of our neighbours very carefully (so
as to avoid causing damage) jacked up the rear wheels (**) in turn and
put wheelskates underneath, and pushed the car a couple of feet forwards.
The police said that providing no damage was done, this was not illegal.


(*) Interestingly, they weren't even interested in cars parked in the
marked bus stop part of the layby.

(**) The ones which would be locked by the handbrake. I presume he had
already established that the car was not in gear which would have locked
the front wheels, requiring them to be raised as well.

And yet its a potential source of revenue. Is there maybe an ongoing
dispute between the Police and the Local Authority ? Who at least here
in West London, actually cop all the revenue from parking and similar
fines.

It might be a matter of who is going to pay for the tow truck as well.

The owner of the towed car does to get it back.

As to which of them. the designated TT company have the
arrangement with. Maybe its argued it should be the responsibility of
Wardens employed by the Council, general buck-passing IOW.

In article ,
charles wrote:
working (as a student) with SESEB, the substations often provided a
separate street light supply with the time clock in the substation.

These days, light sensors for each or group of lights?

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
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Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll****

05:33, you senile asshole? LOL

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his particular prowess at it every day."
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In message , at 14:17:39 on Thu, 19 Mar
2020, "Dave Plowman (News)" remarked:

Has anyone ever bought a house with a garage built at the same time which
was actually an adequate size for the sort of car that house would expect
to see?

Yes, around the Millennium I bought a house about 10yrs old which had a
very generous double garage. With just the one door, although many of
the houses in the same development had two single doors.

All had room for an additional four cars on the drive (2+2 side by side)
--
Roland Perry

In message , at 14:49:12 on Thu, 19
Mar 2020, charles remarked:

I presume street lights are billed to the local council according to
number of hours that the timer turns them on and the rated power of each
light (which varies with technology eg sodium versus LED) - unless each
lamp-post has its own meter.

working (as a student) with SESEB, the substations often provided a
separate street light supply with the time clock in the substation.

Yes, they generally have a completely separate supply (from the
households) in effect a 13A extension cord from one lamp-post to the
next, and next...
--
Roland Perry

On 19/03/2020 20:38, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:17:39 on Thu, 19 Mar
2020, "Dave Plowman (News)" remarked:

Has anyone ever bought a house with a garage built at the same time which
was actually an adequate size for the sort of car that house would expect
to see?

Yes, around the Millennium I bought a house about 10yrs old which had a
very generous double garage. With just the one door, although many of
the houses in the same development had two single doors.

All had room for an additional four cars on the drive (2+2 side by side)

I can get my latest Mustang into mine since I installed an electric
shutter on the outside wall and saved nine inches.AND I can open the
very large doors... ...and have my radio shack up in the gang nail truss
roof space with added support beam .....every subsequent american car I
have had just gets longer and longer wider and lower...tee hee..unless
it is an SUV that is...