Was thiunking as I drove along a lane with deep ruts where the tarmac met
the grass - and wondering what damage it may have done to the vehicle -
that such lanes are a problem - the tarmak crumbles at the edges and keeps
breaking away.
Clearly constucting a road with curbs (kurbs?) woudld be costly - but
having seen a machine continuously casting a centre barrier I wondered is a
machine could do it.

Imagine a rotating trenching mechanism - toothed wheel - followed up by a
concrete mixing and filling machine - possibly dropping in some
reinforcement.

Could it work?

On 19/02/2018 14:14, DerbyBorn wrote:
Was thiunking as I drove along a lane with deep ruts where the tarmac met
the grass - and wondering what damage it may have done to the vehicle -
that such lanes are a problem - the tarmak crumbles at the edges and keeps
breaking away.
Clearly constucting a road with curbs

= american

Kerbs = english
(kurbs?) woudld be costly - but




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On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 15:07:11 +0000, Tim Streater wrote:

In article 2,
DerbyBorn wrote:

Was thinking as I drove along a lane with deep ruts where the tarmac met
the grass - and wondering what damage it may have done to the vehicle -
that such lanes are a problem - the tarmak crumbles at the edges and
keeps breaking away.
Clearly constucting a road with curbs (kurbs?) woudld be costly - but
having seen a machine continuously casting a centre barrier I wondered
if a machine could do it.

Road would be blocked for a long period, and there are thousands of
miles of these roads. The main reason for the ruts is that such roads
are too narrow for today's vehicles, especially the stupid SUVs that too
many people affect. Combine that with too many of the drivers being
unable to judge the width of their vehicle so they don't go over as far
as they could, forcing the other driver into the ruts.

Trying to think of a SUV which is wider than a farm tractor, a sheep
trailer, a cattle truck, bin lorry, delivery lorry, farmer's pick up truck
etc.

Oh, hang on, if you are not in Chelsea but instead out in the country you
might be a farm worker driving on your local roads.

SUVs can be a problem in towns, where much smaller vehicles can make
sense, but country lanes are one place where they are used properly.

Cheers



Dave R



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On 19/02/18 14:14, DerbyBorn wrote:
Clearly constucting a road with curbs (kurbs?)
kerbs

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contemplate a rollback of the industrial age.

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On 19/02/18 15:07, Tim Streater wrote:
In article 2,
DerbyBorn wrote:

Was thinking as I drove along a lane with deep ruts where the tarmac
met the grass - and wondering what damage it may have done to the
vehicle - that such lanes are a problem - the tarmak crumbles at the
edges and keeps breaking away.
Clearly constucting a road with curbs (kurbs?) woudld be costly - but
having seen a machine continuously casting a centre barrier I wondered
if a machine could do it.

Road would be blocked for a long period, and there are thousands of
miles of these roads. The main reason for the ruts is that such roads
are too narrow for today's vehicles, especially the stupid SUVs that
too many people affect. Combine that with too many of the drivers being
unable to judge the width of their vehicle so they don't go over as far
as they could, forcing the other driver into the ruts.


That's certainly my impression that it's ever heavier use, by bigger
cars, massive farm vehicles, more and bigger lorries and vans... and
that it is often the hedge or verge that is eroded leaving puddles and
potholes along the side of the tarmac. Round here heavy rain creates a
gully alongside the tarmac and it can do plenty of damage if you drop
your wheel into one. Not as much as damage as colliding with the
oncoming vehicle though.

TW

On 19-Feb-18 2:14 PM, DerbyBorn wrote:
Was thiunking as I drove along a lane with deep ruts where the tarmac met
the grass - and wondering what damage it may have done to the vehicle -
that such lanes are a problem - the tarmak crumbles at the edges and keeps
breaking away.
Clearly constucting a road with curbs (kurbs?) woudld be costly - but
having seen a machine continuously casting a centre barrier I wondered is a
machine could do it.

Imagine a rotating trenching mechanism - toothed wheel - followed up by a
concrete mixing and filling machine - possibly dropping in some
reinforcement.

Could it work?


The problem with kerbs is that they trap water and require drainage to
be added. The simpler solution is to build the roads a couple of feet
wider and paint a white line a couple of feet in from the edge. That
provides the edges with just enough protection from the effects of heavy
vehicles.

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On 19/02/2018 15:07, Tim Streater wrote:

Combine that with too many of the drivers being
unable to judge the width of their vehicle so they don't go over as far
as they could, forcing the other driver into the ruts.
+1
White van man seems to be able to judge the width of the vehicle but
those who drive the same masquerading as SUVs seem incapable of staying
on the correct side of the road.

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On 19/02/2018 18:23, Nightjar wrote:

The problem with kerbs is that they trap water and require drainage to
be added. The simpler solution is to build the roads a couple of feet
wider and paint a white line a couple of feet in from the edge. That
provides the edges with just enough protection from the effects of heavy
vehicles.


There are those promoting road safety advocating that white lines,
including the centre line should be removed from rural roads to make
people drive slower. These are the same experts who have contributed
significantly to urban pollution by introducing so many road calming
measures that traffic is often at stop for long periods.


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On 19-Feb-18 6:55 PM, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Nightjar
wrote:

On 19-Feb-18 2:14 PM, DerbyBorn wrote:
Was thiunking as I drove along a lane with deep ruts where the tarmac
met
the grass - and wondering what damage it may have done to the vehicle -
that such lanes are a problem - the tarmak crumbles at the edges and
keeps
breaking away.
Clearly constucting a road with curbs (kurbs?) woudld be costly - but
having seen a machine continuously casting a centre barrier I
wondered is a
machine could do it.

Imagine a rotating trenching mechanism - toothed wheel - followed up
by a
concrete mixing and filling machine - possibly dropping in some
reinforcement.

Could it work?

The problem with kerbs is that they trap water and require drainage to
be added. The simpler solution is to build the roads a couple of feet
wider and paint a white line a couple of feet in from the edge.

Good luck with that round here, such as at 51 15 53N, 1 04 08E. In
general your solution would require digging out banks and tearing down
hedges. Here's another where passing (even by cars) is just possible if
you drive up the bank: 51 12 20N, 0 59 07E.


That solution, which is one of the preferred DfT solution for rural
roads, is intended for predominantly flat countryside, where the side
rutting described by the OP is most likely. The rutting removes lateral
support to the road edge, which is then less able to resist heavy loads.
If the edge is restrained by substantial banks, it is far less prone to
that sort of damage.

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In message , Tim Streater
writes
In article , David
wrote:
Trying to think of a SUV which is wider than a farm tractor, a sheep
trailer, a cattle truck, bin lorry, delivery lorry, farmer's pick up
truck etc.

Plenty of places round here where if you meet a farm tractor, like as
not you back up until there is room (often made by people driving up
the bank to make an unofficial passing place).

Quite. Also very surprising to discover drivers (outside normal
commuting hours) totally unable to reverse a car.

Oh, hang on, if you are not in Chelsea but instead out in the country
you might be a farm worker driving on your local roads.

Yes and so what.

SUVs can be a problem in towns, where much smaller vehicles can make
sense, but country lanes are one place where they are used properly.

No they aren't. For the most part they are completely unnecessary,

Also, they are frightened of scratching the paint so drive well clear of
any hedge.


--
Tim Lamb

alan_m wrote:

On 19/02/2018 15:07, Tim Streater wrote:

Combine that with too many of the drivers being
unable to judge the width of their vehicle so they don't go over as far
as they could, forcing the other driver into the ruts.
+1
White van man seems to be able to judge the width of the vehicle but
those who drive the same masquerading as SUVs seem incapable of staying
on the correct side of the road.

How true! I am still resentful at being driven past at about 40mph on
a very narrow banked road, while holding a dog, by a land rover with its
mirror less than a centimetre from my face. Driven by someone who
looked like a geriatric footballer's wife, though i am sure that is
irrelevant.


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alan_m wrote:

On 19/02/2018 18:23, Nightjar wrote:

The problem with kerbs is that they trap water and require drainage to
be added. The simpler solution is to build the roads a couple of feet
wider and paint a white line a couple of feet in from the edge. That
provides the edges with just enough protection from the effects of heavy
vehicles.


There are those promoting road safety advocating that white lines,
including the centre line should be removed from rural roads to make
people drive slower. These are the same experts who have contributed
significantly to urban pollution by introducing so many road calming
measures that traffic is often at stop for long periods.

That would be a total disaster round here, since the absence of the
centre line is the only thing that successfully warns morons that it is
not unconditionally certain that there is room for two cars to pass.


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I'm sure it could if the construction site was free of services which might
get rather large holes otherwise.

In Guernsey, very few roads outside of towns have curbs.
The blind over there have a bit of a dice with death every day.
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"DerbyBorn" wrote in message
2.222...
Was thiunking as I drove along a lane with deep ruts where the tarmac met
the grass - and wondering what damage it may have done to the vehicle -
that such lanes are a problem - the tarmak crumbles at the edges and keeps
breaking away.
Clearly constucting a road with curbs (kurbs?) woudld be costly - but
having seen a machine continuously casting a centre barrier I wondered is
a
machine could do it.

Imagine a rotating trenching mechanism - toothed wheel - followed up by a
concrete mixing and filling machine - possibly dropping in some
reinforcement.

Could it work?

Tim Streater used his keyboard to write :
Oddly enough I have trouble with this, in terms of going backwards in a
straight line.

It is relatively easy, just learn to make smaller adjustments at the
wheel.

A solid 100yd run of cars parked on the right, with just enough space
for the bus I was on, to get past on the left. Car driver dived in
coming opposite way, he got as far as the front of the bus, before he
twigged he had absolutely nowhere to, to get out of its way. Buses are
not allowed to reverse, so car driver hopeless at reversing, had to
struggle to reverse those 100 yards. The bus's passengers in uproar :-)

On 2/19/2018 4:17 PM, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , alan_m
wrote:

There are those promoting road safety advocating that white lines,
including the centre line should be removed from rural roads to make
people drive slower.

White centre line on rural roads ha ha ha ha ha gasp ha ha ha ha etc.

White centre line would look rather odd on our single-track roads...

On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 19:40:37 +0000, alan_m wrote:

Combine that with too many of the drivers being unable to judge
the
width of their vehicle so they don't go over as far as they could,

forcing the other driver into the ruts.

+1

+1

White van man seems to be able to judge the width of the vehicle but
those who drive the same masquerading as SUVs seem incapable of staying
on the correct side of the road.

No problem with the SUV's around here they are all the
locals/farmers. The problems are the visiting Audis, Mercs & BMWs

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Dave.

Trying to think of a SUV which is wider than a farm tractor, a sheep
trailer, a cattle truck, bin lorry, delivery lorry, farmer's pick up truck
etc.

Oh, hang on, if you are not in Chelsea but instead out in the country you
might be a farm worker driving on your local roads.

SUVs can be a problem in towns, where much smaller vehicles can make
sense, but country lanes are one place where they are used properly.

Cheers

Have you forgotten what the S in SUV is for?
Its Sports,
I havent yet seen Farmworkers driving to work appearing in the Olympics
yet.

Farm workers are hardly in the income bracket to buy the vehicles marketed
as SUVs
More likely to have an old Astra.

Since Landrovers etc moved upwards towards the luxury end of the market
the vehicle of choice by those
who earn their living in agriculture seems to be the more practical large
pickup with crew cab and more suitable for driving with dung covered
wellies and smelly dogs than a Range Rover Sport or Porsche Cayenne
Yes Tractors and lorries have got large for country lanes but people who
live in the country have handled narrow single track roads for years.
Occasionally you have to squeeze in to pass and accept that may mean
stuffing the paint finish into the brambles.
Now if you are the Wife of somebody who has earnt a few bob and moved to
the country and then decided that you really must have a White Range Rover
to pose at the school run then you are understandably reluctant to stuff
that in the hedge and spoil the finish, so you force people of the road
instead, and there a lot of them about nowadays.
Things get quite bitchy while they sort themselves out around are local
primary school and had a right paddy when she was forced well into a
passing place by the school bus that also brings children from a bit
further away to it.
And their Husbands commuting to the towns and cities for work completely
unconnected with farm or forestry are not any better.

GH

"Nightjar" wrote in message
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On 19-Feb-18 2:14 PM, DerbyBorn wrote:
Was thiunking as I drove along a lane with deep ruts where the tarmac met
the grass - and wondering what damage it may have done to the vehicle -
that such lanes are a problem - the tarmak crumbles at the edges and
keeps
breaking away.
Clearly constucting a road with curbs (kurbs?) woudld be costly - but
having seen a machine continuously casting a centre barrier I wondered is
a
machine could do it.

Imagine a rotating trenching mechanism - toothed wheel - followed up by a
concrete mixing and filling machine - possibly dropping in some
reinforcement.

Could it work?

The problem with kerbs is that they trap water and require drainage to be
added. The simpler solution is to build the roads a couple of feet wider
and paint a white line a couple of feet in from the edge.

That doesnt work either, because inevitably some need
to go off the edge and It breaks up with they do that.

Its must another example of no perfect approach, different ways
of doing things with different advantages and disadvantages.

If there was one perfect approach, everyone would do it like that.

That provides the edges with just enough protection from the effects of
heavy vehicles.

Nope, because some need to come off the road anyway.

On 19/02/2018 21:19, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Tim Lamb
wrote:

In message , Tim Streater
writes
In article , David
wrote:
Trying to think of a SUV which is wider than a farm tractor, a sheep
trailer, a cattle truck, bin lorry, delivery lorry, farmer's pick up
truck etc.

Plenty of places round here where if you meet a farm tractor, like as
not you back up until there is room (often made by people driving up
the bank to make an unofficial passing place).

Quite. Also very surprising to discover drivers (outside normal
commuting hours) totally unable to reverse a car.

Oddly enough I have trouble with this, in terms of going backwards in a
straight line.


If you always reverse park you soon find it easy.

Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Nightjar
wrote:

On 19-Feb-18 2:14 PM, DerbyBorn

The problem with kerbs is that they trap water and require drainage to
be added. The simpler solution is to build the roads a couple of feet
wider and paint a white line a couple of feet in from the edge.

Good luck with that round here, such as at 51 15 53N, 1 04 08E. In
general your solution would require digging out banks and tearing down
hedges. Here's another where passing (even by cars) is just possible if
you drive up the bank: 51 12 20N, 0 59 07E.

A lot of the problem is the abandoning of local road lengthsmen who knew
their patch and regularly knew what ditches ,drains and culverts to keep an
eye on. this chaps have been swept away in the name of efficiency and
contracting out to contractors who get called in retrospectively and
havent a clue where old drains are and never solve the problem.
Near where I grew there is a dip in a road where there was once an
overbridge where the Lord of the Manor had his drive and the peasants were
kept down out of sight as they made their way along the road hidden from
view. The Bridge went in 1952 but the dip remains and until the last local
road maintainer got made redundant never flooded because he and his ilk
knew when and how to keep a long drain and culvert clear.
Now it floods after even moderate rain and the road has been closed for
weeks, a local at his own expense did supply a diesel pump but after a
month could not afford to keep it running.
The Council denied that the aforementioned culvert even existed as the
contractors €œ Could not find it€�.
Well a local has since shown them, the council now say it was built in the
1700s , yes we knew that, it was working fine till you let it block up
recently . They claim it that as clearing or rebuilding it will cost about
300,000 they cant do it and they wont locals attempt themselves.

G H

On 19/02/2018 22:19, Marland wrote:


Farm workers are hardly in the income bracket to buy the vehicles marketed
as SUVs
More likely to have an old Astra.

Bad choice, they are wider than most of the small SUVs.
They are even wider than transit connect vans.

dennis@home wrote:
On 19/02/2018 22:19, Marland wrote:


Farm workers are hardly in the income bracket to buy the vehicles marketed
as SUVs
More likely to have an old Astra.

Bad choice, they are wider than most of the small SUVs.
They are even wider than transit connect vans.



But are ideal for not worrying about stuffing into the hedge and just the
right size to force an owner of an SUV who is less keen to to go BlackBerry
picking with the wing mirror to do the same.
I had a succession of Diesel Astra estates as company cars for years,
about half I bought off the company and gave to my Dad, he was a Farmer,
so was my brother and I got him one as well.

Though to be fair the last one I got them was around 2002 reg so before
they got bigger and more delicate likes lots of cars have done.

Can you get a pallet in the rear of an Astra estate now. (Normal, not an
Astramax van)?



GH

On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 22:44:08 +0000, "dennis@home"
wrote:

On 19/02/2018 21:19, Tim Streater wrote:
snip

Oddly enough I have trouble with this, in terms of going backwards in a
straight line.


If you always reverse park you soon find it easy.

Or regularly tow a trailer, especially a short one. ;-)

You soon learn how to 'thread the eye of a needle' when being forced
to reverse a car and dinghy up a county lane.

What helps though is having a car with a decent overhang (from the
rear wheels and towball) as you could actually recover a slightly
'waywood' trailer without having to wipe the front off the car on a
post or pulling forward a bit again.

Another thing that helped me was rebuilding a seized engine in a car
when I was about 15 and being restricted to just driving it forward
and reverse around a square 'U' shaped 'back alley'.

Cheers, T i m

On 19/02/18 18:55, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Nightjar
wrote:

On 19-Feb-18 2:14 PM, DerbyBorn wrote:
Was thiunking as I drove along a lane with deep ruts where the tarmac
met
the grass - and wondering what damage it may have done to the vehicle -
that such lanes are a problem - the tarmak crumbles at the edges and
keeps
breaking away.
Clearly constucting a road with curbs (kurbs?) woudld be costly - but
having seen a machine continuously casting a centre barrier I
wondered is a
machine could do it.

Imagine a rotating trenching mechanism - toothed wheel - followed up
by a
concrete mixing and filling machine - possibly dropping in some
reinforcement.

Could it work?

The problem with kerbs is that they trap water and require drainage to
be added. The simpler solution is to build the roads a couple of feet
wider and paint a white line a couple of feet in from the edge.

Good luck with that round here, such as at 51 15 53N, 1 04 08E. In
general your solution would require digging out banks and tearing down
hedges. Here's another where passing (even by cars) is just possible if
you drive up the bank: 51 12 20N, 0 59 07E.

Ah. A year or so ago I met a fuel anker on such a road and was
treavveling too fast to stop, But the trusty 4WD scraped past at 45
degrees with two wheels up the bank.


--
Theres a mighty big difference between good, sound reasons and reasons
that sound good.

Burton Hillis (William Vaughn, American columnist)

On 19/02/18 21:46, S Viemeister wrote:
On 2/19/2018 4:17 PM, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , alan_m
wrote:

There are those promoting road safety advocating that white lines,
including the centre line should be removed from rural roads to make
people drive slower.

White centre line on rural roads ha ha ha ha ha gasp ha ha ha ha etc.

White centre line would look rather odd on our single-track roads...

Round here we have green central lines...


--
€œBut what a weak barrier is truth when it stands in the way of an
hypothesis!€�

Mary Wollstonecraft

On 19/02/18 18:44, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , David
wrote:

On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 15:07:11 +0000, Tim Streater wrote:

In article 2,
DerbyBorn wrote:

Was thinking as I drove along a lane with deep ruts where the tarmac
met
the grass - and wondering what damage it may have done to the vehicle -
that such lanes are a problem - the tarmak crumbles at the edges and
keeps breaking away.
Clearly constucting a road with curbs (kurbs?) woudld be costly - but
having seen a machine continuously casting a centre barrier I wondered
if a machine could do it.

Road would be blocked for a long period, and there are thousands of
miles of these roads. The main reason for the ruts is that such roads
are too narrow for today's vehicles, especially the stupid SUVs that too
many people affect. Combine that with too many of the drivers being
unable to judge the width of their vehicle so they don't go over as far
as they could, forcing the other driver into the ruts.

Trying to think of a SUV which is wider than a farm tractor, a sheep
trailer, a cattle truck, bin lorry, delivery lorry, farmer's pick up
truck etc.

Plenty of places round here where if you meet a farm tractor, like as
not you back up until there is room (often made by people driving up
the bank to make an unofficial passing place).

Oh, hang on, if you are not in Chelsea but instead out in the country
you might be a farm worker driving on your local roads.

Yes and so what.

SUVs can be a problem in towns, where much smaller vehicles can make
sense, but country lanes are one place where they are used properly.

No they aren't. For the most part they are completely unnecessary,

I couldnt even get up my drove without one in wet weather or snow


--
€œBut what a weak barrier is truth when it stands in the way of an
hypothesis!€�

Mary Wollstonecraft

On 19/02/18 20:28, Roger Hayter wrote:
alan_m wrote:

On 19/02/2018 15:07, Tim Streater wrote:

Combine that with too many of the drivers being
unable to judge the width of their vehicle so they don't go over as far
as they could, forcing the other driver into the ruts.
+1
White van man seems to be able to judge the width of the vehicle but
those who drive the same masquerading as SUVs seem incapable of staying
on the correct side of the road.

How true! I am still resentful at being driven past at about 40mph on
a very narrow banked road, while holding a dog, by a land rover with its
mirror less than a centimetre from my face. Driven by someone who
looked like a geriatric footballer's wife, though i am sure that is
irrelevant.


Probably my ex....

--
€œBut what a weak barrier is truth when it stands in the way of an
hypothesis!€�

Mary Wollstonecraft

On Monday, 19 February 2018 22:44:25 UTC, Marland wrote:
Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Nightjar
wrote:

On 19-Feb-18 2:14 PM, DerbyBorn

The problem with kerbs is that they trap water and require drainage to
be added. The simpler solution is to build the roads a couple of feet
wider and paint a white line a couple of feet in from the edge.

Good luck with that round here, such as at 51 15 53N, 1 04 08E. In
general your solution would require digging out banks and tearing down
hedges. Here's another where passing (even by cars) is just possible if
you drive up the bank: 51 12 20N, 0 59 07E.

A lot of the problem is the abandoning of local road lengthsmen who knew
their patch and regularly knew what ditches ,drains and culverts to keep an
eye on. this chaps have been swept away in the name of efficiency and
contracting out to contractors who get called in retrospectively and
havent a clue where old drains are and never solve the problem.
Near where I grew there is a dip in a road where there was once an
overbridge where the Lord of the Manor had his drive and the peasants were
kept down out of sight as they made their way along the road hidden from
view. The Bridge went in 1952 but the dip remains and until the last local
road maintainer got made redundant never flooded because he and his ilk
knew when and how to keep a long drain and culvert clear.
Now it floods after even moderate rain and the road has been closed for
weeks, a local at his own expense did supply a diesel pump but after a
month could not afford to keep it running.
The Council denied that the aforementioned culvert even existed as the
contractors €œ Could not find it€�.
Well a local has since shown them, the council now say it was built in the
1700s , yes we knew that, it was working fine till you let it block up
recently . They claim it that as clearing or rebuilding it will cost about
300,000 they cant do it and they wont locals attempt themselves.

G H

Same thing with us.Our local roads are like the surface of the moon.

On 19-Feb-18 7:50 PM, alan_m wrote:
On 19/02/2018 18:23, Nightjar wrote:

The problem with kerbs is that they trap water and require drainage to
be added. The simpler solution is to build the roads a couple of feet
wider and paint a white line a couple of feet in from the edge. That
provides the edges with just enough protection from the effects of
heavy vehicles.


There are those promoting road safety advocating that white lines,
including the centre line should be removed from rural roads to make
people drive slower. These are the same experts who have contributed
significantly to urban pollution by introducing so many road calming
measures that traffic is often at stop for long periods.

Removing the centre line is only proven to reduce speeds, by around
5-9mph, where the limit is 30mph or less. On rural roads, the presence
of a centre line is useful as it shows that the road is at least 5.5
metres wide.

--
--

Colin Bignell

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 19/02/18 20:28, Roger Hayter wrote:
alan_m wrote:

On 19/02/2018 15:07, Tim Streater wrote:

Combine that with too many of the drivers being
unable to judge the width of their vehicle so they don't go over as far
as they could, forcing the other driver into the ruts.
+1
White van man seems to be able to judge the width of the vehicle but
those who drive the same masquerading as SUVs seem incapable of staying
on the correct side of the road.

How true! I am still resentful at being driven past at about 40mph on
a very narrow banked road, while holding a dog, by a land rover with its
mirror less than a centimetre from my face. Driven by someone who
looked like a geriatric footballer's wife, though i am sure that is
irrelevant.


Probably my ex....

I expect she was someone's ex; or widow.

--

Roger Hayter

On 20/02/2018 09:50, Nightjar wrote:
snip

Removing the centre line is only proven to reduce speeds, by around
5-9mph, where the limit is 30mph or less. On rural roads, the presence
of a centre line is useful as it shows that the road is at least 5.5
metres wide.

also useful at night to show where the road is going - especially for
drivers with older cars/eyes

--
Robin
reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

The problem with kerbs is that they trap water and require drainage to
be added. The simpler solution is to build the roads a couple of feet
wider and paint a white line a couple of feet in from the edge.

Good luck with that round here, such as at 51 15 53N, 1 04 08E. In
general your solution would require digging out banks and tearing down
hedges. Here's another where passing (even by cars) is just possible if
you drive up the bank: 51 12 20N, 0 59 07E.

Like I can be bothered pasting that in god knows where.* Just provide a
URL to google maps.


https://tinyurl.com/y7mmxyfk

"Richard Jones" wrote in message
news


The problem with kerbs is that they trap water and require drainage to
be added. The simpler solution is to build the roads a couple of feet
wider and paint a white line a couple of feet in from the edge.

Good luck with that round here, such as at 51 15 53N, 1 04 08E. In
general your solution would require digging out banks and tearing down
hedges. Here's another where passing (even by cars) is just possible if
you drive up the bank: 51 12 20N, 0 59 07E.

Like I can be bothered pasting that in god knows where. Just provide a
URL to google maps.


https://tinyurl.com/y7mmxyfk

Doesn't work.
--
Dave W

"Richard Jones" wrote in message
news


The problem with kerbs is that they trap water and require drainage to
be added. The simpler solution is to build the roads a couple of feet
wider and paint a white line a couple of feet in from the edge.

Good luck with that round here, such as at 51 15 53N, 1 04 08E. In
general your solution would require digging out banks and tearing down
hedges. Here's another where passing (even by cars) is just possible if
you drive up the bank: 51 12 20N, 0 59 07E.

Like I can be bothered pasting that in god knows where. Just provide a
URL to google maps.


https://tinyurl.com/y7mmxyfk

I tried pasting Richard Jones's reference (without editing) into Google
Maps, and got he
https://goo.gl/maps/jSX5jAn7YJT2
Then went to StreetView but could only find this widening near the spot:
https://goo.gl/maps/eemDnT8TAkD2
--
Dave W

On Tue, 20 Feb 2018 09:50:00 +0000, Nightjar
wrote:

Removing the centre line is only proven to reduce speeds, by around
5-9mph, where the limit is 30mph or less.


I saw a study which seemed to indicate a grass strip up the centre of
the road reduced speed most, whether this only applied to single track
roads I don't know.

AJH

On 19/02/2018 20:12, Tim Lamb wrote:

Also, they are frightened of scratching the paint so drive well clear of
any hedge.


Quite right. I would like a law to stop land owners having trees etc
within a couple of feet or a roads edge.


--
Michael Chare

In article ,
Nightjar wrote:
On 19-Feb-18 7:50 PM, alan_m wrote:
On 19/02/2018 18:23, Nightjar wrote:

The problem with kerbs is that they trap water and require drainage to
be added. The simpler solution is to build the roads a couple of feet
wider and paint a white line a couple of feet in from the edge. That
provides the edges with just enough protection from the effects of
heavy vehicles.


There are those promoting road safety advocating that white lines,
including the centre line should be removed from rural roads to make
people drive slower. These are the same experts who have contributed
significantly to urban pollution by introducing so many road calming
measures that traffic is often at stop for long periods.

Removing the centre line is only proven to reduce speeds, by around
5-9mph, where the limit is 30mph or less. On rural roads, the presence
of a centre line is useful as it shows that the road is at least 5.5
metres wide.

Interesting that one road in our village no longer has a centre white line
except where it goes under a railway bridge.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England

On Tue, 20 Feb 2018 07:11:06 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

snip

Ah. A year or so ago I met a fuel anker on such a road and was
treavveling too fast to stop, But the trusty 4WD scraped past at 45
degrees with two wheels up the bank.

Being most 4X4's are quite tall, with the two n/s wheels up a bank it
would be setting the vehicle at 45 degree angle *towards* the tanker
(by a fair percentage of the height of the vehicle).

The only way that could have happened and it helping was if it was a
lower car based 4X4?

Cheers, T i m

"Tim Streater" wrote in message
Plenty of places round here where if you meet a farm tractor, like as
not you back up until there is room (often made by people driving up
the bank to make an unofficial passing place).


I regularly that my Tank for a drive up our single track lane as a traffic
calming measure, amazing how useless some SUV type people are at reversing
http://imgbox.com/WlTt9IfA

-

On Tue, 20 Feb 2018 16:55:25 -0000, "Mark" wrote:


"Tim Streater" wrote in message
Plenty of places round here where if you meet a farm tractor, like as
not you back up until there is room (often made by people driving up
the bank to make an unofficial passing place).


I regularly that my Tank for a drive up our single track lane as a traffic
calming measure, amazing how useless some SUV type people are at reversing
http://imgbox.com/WlTt9IfA

Nice. ;-) [1]


This (driving a 'tank') is often used by folk as a way of 'protecting
them and their family' but they are either unaware ... or are and
simply don't care that the only way that will work is if they crash
into something smaller, putting other peoples families at greater
risk. ;-(

Of course this game only ends when we are all driving tanks. ;-(

Cheers, T i m

[1] We have spend some good time at the Bovington Tank Museum, behind
the scenes at Duxford with a 'Friend of Duxford' and the Muckleburgh
Military Collection (and rode in a what I think was a BV 206)?