Has anyone come across a video door entry system which uses an
existing television for the display? My M-I-L wants a door entry
system which allows her to see the visitor before unlocking the door
but any 'extra' display hardware really isn't practical.

Display on mobile phone is no good because it probably won't be to
hand and is too small (so she'd need to find her glasses as well as
the phone). A dedicated display doesn't make much sense either,
there's really not space for it anywhere.

It would make *much* more sense to be enable to interrupt the TV
display, it's always on and the *important* thing is that it's when
M-I-L is in easy chair in front of the TV that it takes her a long
time to get up and get to the front door.

Any ideas anyone?

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Chris Green
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Chris Green wrote:

Has anyone come across a video door entry system which uses an
existing television for the display? My M-I-L wants a door entry
system which allows her to see the visitor before unlocking the door
but any 'extra' display hardware really isn't practical.

Display on mobile phone is no good because it probably won't be to
hand and is too small (so she'd need to find her glasses as well as
the phone). A dedicated display doesn't make much sense either,
there's really not space for it anywhere.

It would make *much* more sense to be enable to interrupt the TV
display, it's always on and the *important* thing is that it's when
M-I-L is in easy chair in front of the TV that it takes her a long
time to get up and get to the front door.

Any ideas anyone?


I have a door viewer camera that replaced a peephole viewer.
The hole in the door had to be enlarged slightly.
Mine connects to a 7" TV monitor on the door and a DVR.
Camera, monitor (for a motorhome) and 12V PSU from Amazon.

Paul.

On 31/01/2018 21:03, Chris Green wrote:
Has anyone come across a video door entry system which uses an
existing television for the display? My M-I-L wants a door entry
system which allows her to see the visitor before unlocking the door
but any 'extra' display hardware really isn't practical.

Display on mobile phone is no good because it probably won't be to
hand and is too small (so she'd need to find her glasses as well as
the phone). A dedicated display doesn't make much sense either,
there's really not space for it anywhere.

It would make *much* more sense to be enable to interrupt the TV
display, it's always on and the *important* thing is that it's when
M-I-L is in easy chair in front of the TV that it takes her a long
time to get up and get to the front door.

Any ideas anyone?

Quite separate from the door entry device, how about a little bullet
camera (or one with IR, or whatever) feeding into an AV input on the
telly? She'd need to know how to select the AV input but I expect she
could be trained. The cam could be positioned to make the best use of
the available light, which often means that the view of the caller is a
profile, which is OK I've found. Cam could be disguised if necessary.

Bill

On 31/01/18 21:03, Chris Green wrote:
Has anyone come across a video door entry system which uses an
existing television for the display? My M-I-L wants a door entry
system which allows her to see the visitor before unlocking the door
but any 'extra' display hardware really isn't practical.

Display on mobile phone is no good because it probably won't be to
hand and is too small (so she'd need to find her glasses as well as
the phone). A dedicated display doesn't make much sense either,
there's really not space for it anywhere.

It would make *much* more sense to be enable to interrupt the TV
display, it's always on and the *important* thing is that it's when
M-I-L is in easy chair in front of the TV that it takes her a long
time to get up and get to the front door.

Any ideas anyone?


This maybe?
https://forums.homeseer.com/showthread.php?p=1213403

On 31/01/2018 21:03, Chris Green wrote:
Has anyone come across a video door entry system which uses an
existing television for the display? My M-I-L wants a door entry
system which allows her to see the visitor before unlocking the door
but any 'extra' display hardware really isn't practical.

Yes. It is easy almost all of them even the cheapest nasty ones from
Aldi/Lidl produce a composite video out and a mono sound channel. The
only snag is that you have to change from TV to another input.
It would make *much* more sense to be enable to interrupt the TV
display, it's always on and the *important* thing is that it's when
M-I-L is in easy chair in front of the TV that it takes her a long
time to get up and get to the front door.

Any ideas anyone?

The only snag is that she will have to press Aux AV input and remember
to set it back to TV again afterwards. A TV that did PIP preview would
really be ideal for this. Check the one you intend to buy does produce a
composite video and sound output and you should be fine.

The odd one uses its own quirky LCD monitor at non-standard size/rates.

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Chris Green pretended :
Has anyone come across a video door entry system which uses an
existing television for the display? My M-I-L wants a door entry
system which allows her to see the visitor before unlocking the door
but any 'extra' display hardware really isn't practical.

Display on mobile phone is no good because it probably won't be to
hand and is too small (so she'd need to find her glasses as well as
the phone). A dedicated display doesn't make much sense either,
there's really not space for it anywhere.

It would make *much* more sense to be enable to interrupt the TV
display, it's always on and the *important* thing is that it's when
M-I-L is in easy chair in front of the TV that it takes her a long
time to get up and get to the front door.

Any ideas anyone?

Not a door entry system, but I have a camera.....

It plugs into the audio and video in of a TV in the back of the house,
the kitchen. It has a tiny control unit, with two buttons. One enables
it sounding a tone, the second sets whether the TV is switched over to
the cameras audio and video - both when it spots any motion within its
view. I sourced it on ebay around seven years ago and the image is
640x480. Its output is via SCART or RCA, only the SCART can switch the
TV to the camera's view. Not much use if their are regular passers by
in the cameras view.

Does she really need to see the person? A wireless door phone is what I use
though I am a little disappointed with the transmitter battery life and the
time the handset can remain off the charger.

Brian

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Has anyone come across a video door entry system which uses an
existing television for the display? My M-I-L wants a door entry
system which allows her to see the visitor before unlocking the door
but any 'extra' display hardware really isn't practical.

Display on mobile phone is no good because it probably won't be to
hand and is too small (so she'd need to find her glasses as well as
the phone). A dedicated display doesn't make much sense either,
there's really not space for it anywhere.

It would make *much* more sense to be enable to interrupt the TV
display, it's always on and the *important* thing is that it's when
M-I-L is in easy chair in front of the TV that it takes her a long
time to get up and get to the front door.

Any ideas anyone?

--
Chris Green
·

Paul wrote:

I have a door viewer camera that replaced a peephole viewer.
The hole in the door had to be enlarged slightly.
Mine connects to a 7" TV monitor on the door and a DVR.
Camera, monitor (for a motorhome) and 12V PSU from Amazon.

That doesn't address my M-I-L's requirement I'm afraid. If she's up
on her feet she can get to the front door and isn't too fussed about
the security aspect of things, it's not in general that sort of place.

Her problem is that it takes her a long time to heave herself out of
her armchair in the lounge to get to the front door to answer it.

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Bill Wright wrote:

Any ideas anyone?

Quite separate from the door entry device, how about a little bullet
camera (or one with IR, or whatever) feeding into an AV input on the
telly? She'd need to know how to select the AV input but I expect she
could be trained. The cam could be positioned to make the best use of
the available light, which often means that the view of the caller is a
profile, which is OK I've found. Cam could be disguised if necessary.

Now that's an idea, separate the video completely from the door
opener. There's a key safe anyway so she could always tell the
visitor the number if she recognises them and, if she doesn't want to
do that, she can ask them to wait while she gets to her feet to answer
the door.

Thank you for the idea.

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Chris Green
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Richard wrote:

Any ideas anyone?


This maybe?
https://forums.homeseer.com/showthread.php?p=1213403

! :-) It's doing what we want but I'm not sure if it might be a bit
too 'beta' still.

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Chris Green
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Brian Gaff wrote:
Does she really need to see the person? A wireless door phone is what I use
though I am a little disappointed with the transmitter battery life and the
time the handset can remain off the charger.

She probably doesn't need to see the person but she's a bit of a
gadget queen so would *like* the video bit! :-)

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On Wed, 31 Jan 2018 21:03:51 +0000, Chris Green wrote:

Has anyone come across a video door entry system which uses an
existing television for the display? My M-I-L wants a door entry
system which allows her to see the visitor before unlocking the door
but any 'extra' display hardware really isn't practical.

Display on mobile phone is no good because it probably won't be to
hand and is too small (so she'd need to find her glasses as well as
the phone). A dedicated display doesn't make much sense either,
there's really not space for it anywhere.

It would make *much* more sense to be enable to interrupt the TV
display, it's always on and the *important* thing is that it's when
M-I-L is in easy chair in front of the TV that it takes her a long
time to get up and get to the front door.

Any ideas anyone?
MIL used to have one, it was supplied by Social Services (free to
her). Cam mounted on wall above and to side of door (outside). Cable
plugged into a wallwart psu and another cable plugged into the back of
a scart plug which in turn went into the TV. As said by others, she
has to know how to switch to another input on the TV and back again.

On Wed, 31 Jan 2018 21:03:51 +0000, Chris Green wrote:

Has anyone come across a video door entry system which uses an existing
television for the display? My M-I-L wants a door entry system which
allows her to see the visitor before unlocking the door but any 'extra'
display hardware really isn't practical.

Display on mobile phone is no good because it probably won't be to hand
and is too small (so she'd need to find her glasses as well as the
phone). A dedicated display doesn't make much sense either, there's
really not space for it anywhere.

It would make *much* more sense to be enable to interrupt the TV
display, it's always on and the *important* thing is that it's when
M-I-L is in easy chair in front of the TV that it takes her a long time
to get up and get to the front door.

Any ideas anyone?

On a side note, where do you want to position the camera.

I have noted that cold caller such as chuggers and (I assume) ex-prisoners
ring the bell, knock, then stand well back from the porch.

I did assume that this was to leave loads of personal space and so not
appear threatening in any way.

However reading this thread, it would also move the caller out of the
range of a downward pointing camera.



Cheers


Dave R


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On 01/02/2018 12:17, Chris Green wrote:
Bill Wright wrote:

Any ideas anyone?

Quite separate from the door entry device, how about a little bullet
camera (or one with IR, or whatever) feeding into an AV input on the
telly? She'd need to know how to select the AV input but I expect she
could be trained. The cam could be positioned to make the best use of
the available light, which often means that the view of the caller is a
profile, which is OK I've found. Cam could be disguised if necessary.

Now that's an idea, separate the video completely from the door
opener. There's a key safe anyway so she could always tell the
visitor the number if she recognises them and, if she doesn't want to
do that, she can ask them to wait while she gets to her feet to answer
the door.

Thank you for the idea.

A slight variation which I have used a few times is to have a very small
monitor so they don't have to mess with the telly remote. It can be on
the shelf of the TV stand, or the sideboard, or on a coffee table near
the person's favorite chair. I've used little Roadstar 7" sets for this.
They're pretty good, if they're still available.

If you wanted the sound to come through the telly you could do it easy
with a little mike module costing less than a tenner (Google CCTV audio).

Incidentally, I'd suggest you avoid HD for this because of problems
interfacing it with the TV set or monitor (unless you want to spend real
money).

On 02/02/2018 17:30, David wrote:

On a side note, where do you want to position the camera.

I have noted that cold caller such as chuggers and (I assume) ex-prisoners
ring the bell, knock, then stand well back from the porch.

I did assume that this was to leave loads of personal space and so not
appear threatening in any way.

However reading this thread, it would also move the caller out of the
range of a downward pointing camera.

The camera position has to be dictated by the lighting.
Never position a cam looking downwards. You can't see people's faces
properly. The cam needs to be at head height. (Maybe put a notice up:
"If you are a juvenile delinquent please stand on the box")

Bill

On 02/02/18 17:30, David wrote:
On Wed, 31 Jan 2018 21:03:51 +0000, Chris Green wrote:

Has anyone come across a video door entry system which uses an existing
television for the display? My M-I-L wants a door entry system which
allows her to see the visitor before unlocking the door but any 'extra'
display hardware really isn't practical.


yes and no. If you say use te TV as a sceeen to e,g., a linux computer
you can add a TV card to that and still have TV and then construct a
popup riggered by te doorbvell




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On 02/02/18 17:30, David wrote:
On Wed, 31 Jan 2018 21:03:51 +0000, Chris Green wrote:

Has anyone come across a video door entry system which uses an existing
television for the display? My M-I-L wants a door entry system which
allows her to see the visitor before unlocking the door but any 'extra'
display hardware really isn't practical.


yes and no. If you say use te TV as a sceeen to e,g., a linux computer
you can add a TV card to that and still have TV and then construct a
popup riggered by te doorbvell

Yes and yes if the proposed camera gives a standard definition TV
output.
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In article ,
Martin Brown wrote:
Yes. It is easy almost all of them even the cheapest nasty ones from
Aldi/Lidl produce a composite video out and a mono sound channel. The
only snag is that you have to change from TV to another input.

How many TVs have an analogue input these days? I had to search for one
which still had a SCART. Most are HDMI and USB only.

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On 03/02/2018 11:25, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Martin Brown wrote:
Yes. It is easy almost all of them even the cheapest nasty ones from
Aldi/Lidl produce a composite video out and a mono sound channel. The
only snag is that you have to change from TV to another input.

How many TVs have an analogue input these days? I had to search for one
which still had a SCART. Most are HDMI and USB only.


My newish 4k TV has analogue inputs, not SCART though.
It also has both terrestrial (digital and analogue) and sat (digital)
tuners.
I expect the chipset does them all so they are probably more common than
you think.

What I don't understand is why it decodes DTS when it only has two
speakers unless it puts decoded multi channel PCM over the optical
output? I don't think that's very standard though.

On 03/02/2018 11:25, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Martin Brown wrote:
Yes. It is easy almost all of them even the cheapest nasty ones from
Aldi/Lidl produce a composite video out and a mono sound channel. The
only snag is that you have to change from TV to another input.

How many TVs have an analogue input these days? I had to search for one
which still had a SCART. Most are HDMI and USB only.


Humax do an internal security camera that is actually
Ycam I believe. Although meant for use with a smart
phone, they say it also works with the more recent
humax stb's.

Also, you get cloud access without payment (AFAIK).

You can stick the camera in the fron window or an upstairs
window to watch outside goings-on. I think the app that
runs on the stb, fetches the data saved on the cloud.


https://www.humaxdirect.co.uk/humax-eye.html