On 10/10/17 18:12, Nightjar wrote:
On 10-Oct-17 10:42 AM, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Nightjar
wrote:

On 09-Oct-17 10:32 PM, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Nightjar
wrote:
...
My question was what practical difference would it make if the result
were legally binding? No UK government has ever failed to abide by
the result of a referendum.

Then why are certain people bleating about it "only being advisory" as
if that were relevant in some way?

Perhaps so that, if Brexit turns out to be the disaster that those of us
who voted to remain anticipate, people will be reminded that the
government had a choice :-)


No its all part ogf a contuning effeoirt by te EU and Left rolling
propagandsa machie to scare peopl into not leaving after all.

HOWEVER unelss the EU break their own rules, which is as comnmon as ****
when all is siad and done we couldnt re-enter and we have committed to
leaving.

Of course they would love us to come crawling back, accept European
central bank rules, pay even more, adopt the Euro, and go down with Her
Royal Majesty Queen Merkel in buck pal.


The EU wanst us far more than we want them, as long as we don't play any
part whatsoever in its direction or ogranisation.


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gospel of envy.

Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

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"Mark" wrote in message
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On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 22:32:08 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article , Nightjar
wrote:

On 09-Oct-17 10:41 AM, Tim Streater wrote:
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But a referendum so agreed ought to be binding, ...

Why? What practical difference would it make? Making the result legally
binding would not make it irreversible. Parliament can always unmake any
legislation it makes and one referendum can always overturn the result
of an earlier one, as happened with our membership of the EU.

Why else would a Parliament and government authorise a referendum, if
they didn't mean that, in the case of a yes vote, that bound the
government to enact it? That is what anyone would expect.

One of the principles of democracy is we get regular elections; we
don't elect a government who then rule forever. It should be the
same with referenda - people have a right to change their minds

They do and the govt of the day is free to have another referendum.

and should be asked regularly.

Just not feasible with something like membership of the EU or the UK etc.

On 10/10/2017 14:02, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Indeed. We should have been asked if we wanted to leave the EU every
year for the last 40...



In some respects we have had that vote, for our MEPs, and most of the
voting population have said **** of we want nothing to do with them -
they don't represent us! The writing was on the wall for BREXIT for at
least three decades.

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On 10-Oct-17 9:03 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
....
HOWEVER unelss the EU break their own rules, which is as comnmon as ****
when all is siad and done we couldnt re-enter and we have committed to
leaving...

Article 50 is silent on whether or not the notification can simply be
cancelled before the two years are up. So, should we decide to, it might
have to go before the ECJ for a ruling, or the EU Commission might
simply accept it. After Brexit we can always apply to rejoin, in
accordance with Article 49, but would, of course, lose all our existing
exemptions.


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Colin Bignell

On 10-Oct-17 7:51 PM, Huge wrote:
On 2017-10-10, Nightjar wrote:
On 10-Oct-17 10:42 AM, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Nightjar
wrote:

On 09-Oct-17 10:32 PM, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Nightjar
wrote:
...
My question was what practical difference would it make if the result
were legally binding? No UK government has ever failed to abide by the
result of a referendum.

Then why are certain people bleating about it "only being advisory" as
if that were relevant in some way?

Perhaps so that, if Brexit turns out to be the disaster that those of us
who voted to remain anticipate,

If?


There is always the outside chance that we could magically become as
productive as the French, as good at exploiting new markets as the
Germans and as good entrepreneurs as the Danish, in which case we could
be no worse off outside then in. :-)

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Colin Bignell

Nightjar wrote
The Natural Philosopher wrote

HOWEVER unelss the EU break their own rules, which
is as comnmon as **** when all is siad and done we
couldnt re-enter and we have committed to leaving...

Article 50 is silent on whether or not the notification
can simply be cancelled before the two years are up.

Yes.

So, should we decide to,

Taint gunna happen, you watch.

it might have to go before the ECJ for a ruling,

Nope.

or the EU Commission might simply accept it.

Corse they would.

"Nightjar" wrote in message
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On 10-Oct-17 7:51 PM, Huge wrote:
On 2017-10-10, Nightjar wrote:
On 10-Oct-17 10:42 AM, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Nightjar
wrote:

On 09-Oct-17 10:32 PM, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Nightjar
wrote:
...
My question was what practical difference would it make if the result
were legally binding? No UK government has ever failed to abide by the
result of a referendum.

Then why are certain people bleating about it "only being advisory" as
if that were relevant in some way?

Perhaps so that, if Brexit turns out to be the disaster that those of us
who voted to remain anticipate,

If?


There is always the outside chance that we could magically become as
productive as the French, as good at exploiting new markets as the Germans
and as good entrepreneurs as the Danish,

And Britain clearly is in financial services alone.

in which case we could be no worse off outside then in. :-)

Yep, thats what is going to happen, you watch.

On 11/10/17 09:23, Nightjar wrote:
There is always the outside chance that we could magically become as
productive as the French,

Ah, teh three hour working week with an hour break for lunch?


as good at exploiting new markets as the
Germans

I see. They are really on te curve with trheir Geramn desiged
smartphines aret they?


and as good entrepreneurs as the Danish, in which case we could
be no worse off outside then in.

There are no Danish entrepreneurs...in Denmark. Its not a suitable place
to start a business.

Or were the above your ironic point?




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Those who want slavery should have the grace to name it by its proper
name. They must face the full meaning of that which they are advocating
or condoning; the full, exact, specific meaning of collectivism, of its
logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of
the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead. They must
face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not.

Ayn Rand.

On 11-Oct-17 11:10 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 11/10/17 09:23, Nightjar wrote:
There is always the outside chance that we could magically become as
productive as the French,

Ah, teh three hour working week with an hour break for lunch?

Productivity is a measure of how much workers produce per hour worked,
not how many hours they work. The French manage to be 30% more
productive than British workers. Even Italians workers are better.

https://www.theguardian.com/business...-records-began

as good at exploiting new markets as the Germans

I see. They are really on te curve with trheir Geramn desiged
smartphines aret they?

Germany has managed to get a lot more of the emerging economy markets
than we have and they did it under EU rules.

Â*and as good entrepreneurs as the Danish, in which case we could
be no worse off outside then in.

There are no Danish entrepreneurs...in Denmark. Its not a suitable place
to start a business.

Forbes would disagree with you. They rated it the best place in the world.



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On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 21:54:55 +0100, alan_m
wrote:

On 10/10/2017 14:02, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Indeed. We should have been asked if we wanted to leave the EU every
year for the last 40...



In some respects we have had that vote, for our MEPs, and most of the
voting population have said **** of we want nothing to do with them -
they don't represent us! The writing was on the wall for BREXIT for at
least three decades.

No. Only 37% of the electorate voted for Brexit.

On 11/10/17 12:40, Nightjar wrote:
On 11-Oct-17 11:10 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 11/10/17 09:23, Nightjar wrote:
There is always the outside chance that we could magically become as
productive as the French,

Ah, teh three hour working week with an hour break for lunch?

Productivity is a measure of how much workers produce per hour worked,
not how many hours they work. The French manage to be 30% more
productive than British workers. Even Italians workers are better.


Not in my book, its value add per unit labour




https://www.theguardian.com/business...-records-began


as good at exploiting new markets as the Germans

I see. They are really on te curve with trheir Geramn desiged
smartphines aret they?

Germany has managed to get a lot more of the emerging economy markets
than we have and they did it under EU rules.


I dont think so.


Â*Â*and as good entrepreneurs as the Danish, in which case we could
be no worse off outside then in.

There are no Danish entrepreneurs...in Denmark. Its not a suitable
place to start a business.

Forbes would disagree with you. They rated it the best place in the world.


I dont suppose they ever visited it then






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a car with the cramped public exposure of €¨an airplane.€�

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On 11/10/17 13:29, Mark wrote:
On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 21:54:55 +0100, alan_m
wrote:

On 10/10/2017 14:02, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Indeed. We should have been asked if we wanted to leave the EU every
year for the last 40...



In some respects we have had that vote, for our MEPs, and most of the
voting population have said **** of we want nothing to do with them -
they don't represent us! The writing was on the wall for BREXIT for at
least three decades.

No. Only 37% of the electorate voted for Brexit.

Only 34% voted to stay

The rest presumably couldn't give a **** one way or the other.

Or had similar mixed intentions as the above, so a majority would still
want to leave.







--
€œSome people like to travel by train because it combines the slowness of
a car with the cramped public exposure of €¨an airplane.€�

Dennis Miller

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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On 11/10/17 13:29, Mark wrote:
On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 21:54:55 +0100, alan_m
wrote:

On 10/10/2017 14:02, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Indeed. We should have been asked if we wanted to leave the EU every
year for the last 40...



In some respects we have had that vote, for our MEPs, and most of the
voting population have said **** of we want nothing to do with them -
they don't represent us! The writing was on the wall for BREXIT for at
least three decades.

No. Only 37% of the electorate voted for Brexit.

Only 34% voted to stay

The rest presumably couldn't give a **** one way or the other.

Or believed the polls and didnt bother to vote because they
assumed the result would be to stay and they wanted to stay.

Or had similar mixed intentions as the above, so a majority would still
want to leave.

That isnt a foregone conclusion.

And I am a BRexiter, IMO the UK will do fine outside the EU
and will be able to decide who it allows to move to the UK
and be able to decide policy for itself, and has a decent
democracy, unlike the EU which has nothing even remotely
like a real democracy with unelected unsackable bureaucrats
deciding policy and the EP only being able to tick or reject that
and not being able to repeal existing legislation if it decides to.

In article ,
Nightjar wrote:
I see. They are really on te curve with trheir Geramn desiged
smartphines aret they?

Germany has managed to get a lot more of the emerging economy markets
than we have and they did it under EU rules.

Yup - they sell many times more to China than we do too.

But then the Brexiteers will say the EU is geared up for all other member
countries - except the UK.

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In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Productivity is a measure of how much workers produce per hour worked,
not how many hours they work. The French manage to be 30% more
productive than British workers. Even Italians workers are better.


Not in my book, its value add per unit labour

Humpty Dumpty would be proud.

”When I use a word,‘ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, �it
means just what I choose it to mean ˜ neither more nor less.‘

‘The question is,‘ said Alice, �whether you can make words mean so many
different things.‘

‘The question is,‘ said Humpty Dumpty, �which is to be master ˜ that‘s
all.•
-- Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass

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