Please help! Last week we had a new front door fitted by someone we found
through checkatrade. The door came glazed but untreated. He primed and then
gloss painted for us. It was dark when he left and it looked ok. However, on
looking at it in dalylight, I can now see that whilst he used tape around the
edges, nonetheless both the primer and gloss red paint have got in behind the
glass (I.e. Between the two pains of glass) and it looks terrible. Completely
ruins the affect as it looks shoddy and messy. I am absolutely gutted at
having spent the money on materials and the labour to end up with a poor
quality job that seemingly we can't do anything about. Any advice as to
possible solutions would be gratefully received. I can only think of
eventually having the door reglazed, or buying sticky backed frosted glass
effect stickers to put over the pains but don't really want to do this as it
defeats the point in going for totally clear glazing in the first place and is
likely to look cheap. No idea what it would cost to reglaze the door - I
suspect more than the door itself is worth.
http://www.homeownershub.com/img/83
http://www.homeownershub.com/img/84
http://www.homeownershub.com/img/85

On Tuesday, 13 December 2016 13:44:03 UTC, Lauren Kilpatrick wrote:
Please help! Last week we had a new front door fitted by someone we found
through checkatrade. The door came glazed but untreated. He primed and then
gloss painted for us. It was dark when he left and it looked ok. However, on
looking at it in dalylight, I can now see that whilst he used tape around the
edges, nonetheless both the primer and gloss red paint have got in behind the
glass (I.e. Between the two pains of glass) and it looks terrible. Completely
ruins the affect as it looks shoddy and messy. I am absolutely gutted at
having spent the money on materials and the labour to end up with a poor
quality job that seemingly we can't do anything about. Any advice as to
possible solutions would be gratefully received. I can only think of
eventually having the door reglazed, or buying sticky backed frosted glass
effect stickers to put over the pains but don't really want to do this as it
defeats the point in going for totally clear glazing in the first place and is
likely to look cheap. No idea what it would cost to reglaze the door - I
suspect more than the door itself is worth.
http://www.homeownershub.com/img/83
http://www.homeownershub.com/img/84
http://www.homeownershub.com/img/85

pics aren't visible. You'll have nothing but grief if you use h.o.h. This is news:uk.d-i-y.


NT

wrote:

Lauren Kilpatrick wrote:

http://www.homeownershub.com/img/83
http://www.homeownershub.com/img/84
http://www.homeownershub.com/img/85

pics aren't visible.

Visible here, but paint seems to be on the outside of panes behind the
beading (not between the panes).

On 13/12/2016 14:24, Andy Burns wrote:
wrote:

Lauren Kilpatrick wrote:

http://www.homeownershub.com/img/83
http://www.homeownershub.com/img/84
http://www.homeownershub.com/img/85

pics aren't visible.

Visible here, but paint seems to be on the outside of panes behind the
beading (not between the panes).

Paint has run into the narrow gap between the outer glass surface and
the wood making a weather seal by capillary attraction. It might have
been cosmetically preferable to have used black undercoat or clear
varnish as a seal up against the glass so that it wouldn't show.

I don't like using masking tape on windows anyway it just needs a steady
hand to paint them properly.

BTW It could do with sanding down and another coat of gloss.

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Regards,
Martin Brown

On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 14:24:36 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:

wrote:

Lauren Kilpatrick wrote:

http://www.homeownershub.com/img/83
http://www.homeownershub.com/img/84
http://www.homeownershub.com/img/85

pics aren't visible.

Visible here, but paint seems to be on the outside of panes behind the
beading (not between the panes).

Visible here and some red paint must be on the outside as it would be
just about impossible to get to where it has spotted.
Should have been left clean though.
There is some white substance around the inside edges but is it all
paint or some sort of ahesive holding the glass in.
Was it a cheap and poorly made door in the first place, if the glazing
let in paint that easily then moisture would not be far behind.


G.Harman

On 13/12/2016 13:44, Lauren Kilpatrick wrote:
Please help! Last week we had a new front door fitted by someone we found
through checkatrade.

Mistake number one.

likely to look cheap. No idea what it would cost to reglaze the door - I
suspect more than the door itself is worth.
http://www.homeownershub.com/img/83
http://www.homeownershub.com/img/84
http://www.homeownershub.com/img/85



The picture clearly shows a very badly painted door, with no attempt
to remove the paint that got past his masking tape and onto the
glass. There are obvious areas where the grain has raised as the timber
has lost moisture, and you can see the incorrect undercoat showing.

Looks like he used a white combined primer+undercoat which is totally
wrong for a strong gloss colour like red. The glazing rebates seem to
have been badly machined allowing the white primer_undercoat to
seep down behind the glass.

The problem is a cheap door *and* a crap tradesman.

Even a competent diy-er would do a better job than that.

Painting an external door from bare wood takes at least three
days to do it properly. If you want something installed in
one day then use UPVC.

Day 1. Run down using fine sand paper to get rid of raised grain.
Apply knotting if timber is resinous and knots are visible.
Then seal or prime using an oil based primer, or dulux weathershield
(which being water based can only be done when the ambient temp
is at least 15 degrees centigrade, and tricky if knotting has been
used. Needs another day to dry and gently rubbed down if grain has
been raised by the water substrate).

Day 2. Fit door and where hinges and locks have been cut, prime or
seal the new cuts !!. Apply undercoat of correct colour to match gloss.

Day 3. Apply gloss paint.

No need to use masking tape. People who do, are only interested in
a quick in-out job. People who cannot cut paint up to a glass pane
should find another career.

Timber doors for external use really should be bought unglazed and
allowed to dry out indoors and then all the joints and corners
flooded with clear cuprinol. Leave for a week to dry out and seal
or prime the door on *every* (*) surface plus the glazing bars
separately. Then follow steps 1 to 3 above.

A decent trademan will have a workshop of some sort where this can
be done up to dried undercoat stage before bringing it to your
house to cut the hinge and lock rebates.

COMPLAIN to Checkatrade, but don't expect them to do anything.

(*) Always ask if the 'tradesman' if the top and bottom of the
door have been primed. If he says 'You shouldn't do this, the
door needs to breathe' - Tell him to F$CK OFF right there and
then because he is a cowboy.

Have you used a small mirror to check the top and bottom of
your door ?. I'll put money on them being bare wood.

replying to Andy Burns, Lauren Kilpatrick wrote:
Hi Andy, thanks for your reply. Sorry you can't see the pics. There is some
paint on the outside of the glass (and some remnants of the tape), which I
need to scrape off - just haven't got around to doing it. There is also paint
on the other (inside) side of the glass, though, which I obviously can't get
to.

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Lauren Kilpatrick m wrote

Please help! Last week we had a new front door fitted by someone we found
through checkatrade. The door came glazed but untreated. He primed and
then gloss painted for us. It was dark when he left and it looked ok.
However, on looking at it in dalylight, I can now see that whilst he used
tape around the
edges, nonetheless both the primer and gloss red paint have got in behind
the
glass (I.e. Between the two pains of glass) and it looks terrible.
Completely
ruins the affect as it looks shoddy and messy. I am absolutely gutted at
having spent the money on materials and the labour to end up with a poor
quality job that seemingly we can't do anything about.

Why can't you do anything about it ?

Any advice as to possible solutions would be gratefully received.

Make the bugger redo it until its done properly, at his cost.

I can only think of eventually having the door reglazed,

Or start again with a new one which treated before its glazed.

or buying sticky backed frosted glass effect stickers to put over the
pains but don't really want to do this as it defeats the point in going
for totally clear glazing in the first place and is likely to look cheap.

Yes, that would look even worse.

No idea what it would cost to reglaze the door - I suspect more than the
door itself is worth.

Quite possibly.

http://www.homeownershub.com/img/83
http://www.homeownershub.com/img/84
http://www.homeownershub.com/img/85

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On Tuesday, 13 December 2016 13:44:03 UTC, Lauren Kilpatrick wrote:
Please help! Last week we had a new front door fitted by someone we found
through checkatrade. The door came glazed but untreated. He primed and
then
gloss painted for us. It was dark when he left and it looked ok. However,
on
looking at it in dalylight, I can now see that whilst he used tape around
the
edges, nonetheless both the primer and gloss red paint have got in behind
the
glass (I.e. Between the two pains of glass) and it looks terrible.
Completely
ruins the affect as it looks shoddy and messy. I am absolutely gutted at
having spent the money on materials and the labour to end up with a poor
quality job that seemingly we can't do anything about. Any advice as to
possible solutions would be gratefully received. I can only think of
eventually having the door reglazed, or buying sticky backed frosted
glass
effect stickers to put over the pains but don't really want to do this as
it
defeats the point in going for totally clear glazing in the first place
and is
likely to look cheap. No idea what it would cost to reglaze the door - I
suspect more than the door itself is worth.
http://www.homeownershub.com/img/83
http://www.homeownershub.com/img/84
http://www.homeownershub.com/img/85

pics aren't visible.

They're visible here.

You'll have nothing but grief if you use h.o.h. This is news:uk.d-i-y.

Andy Burns wrote
wrote
Lauren Kilpatrick wrote:

http://www.homeownershub.com/img/83
http://www.homeownershub.com/img/84
http://www.homeownershub.com/img/85

pics aren't visible.

Visible here,

Here too

but paint seems to be on the outside of panes
behind the beading (not between the panes).

Not with 84, there appears to be a lot of
white between the panes. on the far pane.

On further thought it appears to be a very badly
designed door that is very hard to paint because there
isnt a proper seal between the door and the glass.

I'd start again with a better door if it was mine.

On 13/12/2016 19:14, Lauren Kilpatrick wrote:
replying to Andy Burns, Lauren Kilpatrick wrote:
Hi Andy, thanks for your reply. Sorry you can't see the pics. There is some
paint on the outside of the glass (and some remnants of the tape), which I
need to scrape off - just haven't got around to doing it. There is also
paint
on the other (inside) side of the glass, though, which I obviously can't
get
to.

Get him back. Don't try to do anything before he does, it would give him
an opportunity to blame you.

Contact checkatrade.

Contact trading standards

https://www.gov.uk/find-local-trading-standards-office

Good luck. I did our patio doors myself, as they were urgent. I got some
men in to do the rest, and I didn't have enough time. I now regret that...

Andy

On 13/12/2016 14:19, wrote:
On Tuesday, 13 December 2016 13:44:03 UTC, Lauren Kilpatrick wrote:
Please help! Last week we had a new front door fitted by someone we found
through checkatrade. The door came glazed but untreated. He primed and then
gloss painted for us. It was dark when he left and it looked ok. However, on
looking at it in dalylight, I can now see that whilst he used tape around the
edges, nonetheless both the primer and gloss red paint have got in behind the
glass

NO, its just got behind the wooden beading - its on the outside surface
of the glass.

Remove the wooden beading, clean the paint from the glass with a razor
blade, paint the inside of the beading you have taken off, wait for the
paint to dry and replace beading. Repeat on other side of the door

By the way - ****e paint job - the recommended cowboy could have
brushed off all sawdust before painting over it


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On Tuesday, 13 December 2016 22:40:28 UTC, alan_m wrote:
On 13/12/2016 14:19, tabbypurr wrote:
On Tuesday, 13 December 2016 13:44:03 UTC, Lauren Kilpatrick wrote:

Please help! Last week we had a new front door fitted by someone we found
through checkatrade. The door came glazed but untreated. He primed and then
gloss painted for us. It was dark when he left and it looked ok. However, on
looking at it in dalylight, I can now see that whilst he used tape around the
edges, nonetheless both the primer and gloss red paint have got in behind the
glass

NO, its just got behind the wooden beading - its on the outside surface
of the glass.

Remove the wooden beading, clean the paint from the glass with a razor
blade, paint the inside of the beading you have taken off, wait for the
paint to dry and replace beading. Repeat on other side of the door

By the way - ****e paint job - the recommended cowboy could have
brushed off all sawdust before painting over it

Don't use a razor blade, sometimes it scratches it badly. A bit of ali cut from a drinks can does the job without damaging glass.


NT

On Tuesday, 13 December 2016 13:44:03 UTC, Lauren Kilpatrick wrote:
Please help! Last week we had a new front door fitted by someone we found
through checkatrade. The door came glazed but untreated. He primed and then
gloss painted for us. It was dark when he left and it looked ok. However, on
looking at it in dalylight, I can now see that whilst he used tape around the
edges, nonetheless both the primer and gloss red paint have got in behind the
glass (I.e. Between the two pains of glass) and it looks terrible. Completely
ruins the affect as it looks shoddy and messy. I am absolutely gutted at
having spent the money on materials and the labour to end up with a poor
quality job that seemingly we can't do anything about. Any advice as to
possible solutions would be gratefully received. I can only think of
eventually having the door reglazed, or buying sticky backed frosted glass
effect stickers to put over the pains but don't really want to do this as it
defeats the point in going for totally clear glazing in the first place and is
likely to look cheap. No idea what it would cost to reglaze the door - I
suspect more than the door itself is worth.
http://www.homeownershub.com/img/83
http://www.homeownershub.com/img/84
http://www.homeownershub.com/img/85

Clearly the double glazed units haven't been properly sealed when they were installed in the door.
They should have been bedded into putty /some equivalent when they were fitted.
As they arrived glazed,the fault is with the door manufacturers rather than the the installer.
Unless he fitted the glass himself offsite.

The recesses where the glass fits should have been painted before fitting the glass too.

It's normal practice to fit the door, prime/undercoat, THEN fit the glass bedded into sealant and then final coat of paint.

On 13/12/2016 13:44, Lauren Kilpatrick wrote:
Please help! Last week we had a new front door fitted by someone we found
through checkatrade. The door came glazed but untreated. He primed and then
gloss painted for us. It was dark when he left and it looked ok.
However, on
looking at it in dalylight, I can now see that whilst he used tape
around the
edges, nonetheless both the primer and gloss red paint have got in
behind the
glass (I.e. Between the two pains of glass) and it looks terrible.
Completely
ruins the affect as it looks shoddy and messy. I am absolutely gutted at
having spent the money on materials and the labour to end up with a poor
quality job that seemingly we can't do anything about. Any advice as to
possible solutions would be gratefully received. I can only think of
eventually having the door reglazed, or buying sticky backed frosted glass
effect stickers to put over the pains but don't really want to do this
as it
defeats the point in going for totally clear glazing in the first place
and is
likely to look cheap. No idea what it would cost to reglaze the door - I
suspect more than the door itself is worth.
http://www.homeownershub.com/img/83
http://www.homeownershub.com/img/84
http://www.homeownershub.com/img/85

By the looks of it, the primer has seeped between the glazing unit and
the glazing bar. (its not between the panes of glass (that is likely a
sealed double glazing unit) but it is between the wood and the glass).

While the paint job itself looks fairly poor - in so far as the timber
was not rubbed down that well (if at all) first, that is not really the
root cause of the problem, which would seem to be the way the glass was
fitted and the (lack of) preparation done before.

Who fitted the glass?

Normally most sealed units are manufactured with a margin of black tape
around the edge - that means you normally can't see the inside of the
glazing bars or any paint on the inside of them. Yours don't appear to
have that, so you would always be able to see the back of the bar.

Secondly, the glazing must be bedded onto something to form a seal
between the glazing bar, sealed unit and the frame. This could be as
simple as a bead of glazing silicone, or sometimes a putty, or a special
glazing adhesive sealing tape. (these also increase the security since
the unit will stay put even if the glazing bars are removed)

As to how you fix it, I think you would have to remove the glazing bars
and take out the glass. Then clean off any paint etc from the glass. I
would then paint the inside of the glazing rebate and the back of the
glazing bars with clear wood preserver. Then get a roll of self adhesive
black security butyl or foam glazing tape and apply that around the
perimeter of all the glass sealed units on both sides. Then replace them
in the frame and refit the bars.

The tape will then seal between the wood and the glass, and also hide
any ugly bits on the back of the glazing bars.

(The current arrangement will allow moisture to seep into the gap
between glass and wood, and cause accelerated rotting)


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On Tuesday, 13 December 2016 13:44:03 UTC, Lauren Kilpatrick wrote:
Please help! Last week we had a new front door fitted by someone we found
through checkatrade. The door came glazed but untreated. He primed and then
gloss painted for us. It was dark when he left and it looked ok. However, on
looking at it in dalylight, I can now see that whilst he used tape around the
edges, nonetheless both the primer and gloss red paint have got in behind the
glass (I.e. Between the two pains of glass) and it looks terrible. Completely
ruins the affect as it looks shoddy and messy. I am absolutely gutted at
having spent the money on materials and the labour to end up with a poor
quality job that seemingly we can't do anything about. Any advice as to
possible solutions would be gratefully received. I can only think of
eventually having the door reglazed, or buying sticky backed frosted glass
effect stickers to put over the pains but don't really want to do this as it
defeats the point in going for totally clear glazing in the first place and is
likely to look cheap. No idea what it would cost to reglaze the door - I
suspect more than the door itself is worth.
http://www.homeownershub.com/img/83
http://www.homeownershub.com/img/84
http://www.homeownershub.com/img/85

Make sure both top and bottom edges of the door have been painted.
This is where rot sets in.

On 14/12/2016 07:13, harry wrote:
On Tuesday, 13 December 2016 13:44:03 UTC, Lauren Kilpatrick wrote:
Please help! Last week we had a new front door fitted by someone we found
through checkatrade. The door came glazed but untreated. He primed and then
gloss painted for us. It was dark when he left and it looked ok. However, on
looking at it in dalylight, I can now see that whilst he used tape around the
edges, nonetheless both the primer and gloss red paint have got in behind the
glass (I.e. Between the two pains of glass) and it looks terrible. Completely
ruins the affect as it looks shoddy and messy. I am absolutely gutted at
having spent the money on materials and the labour to end up with a poor
quality job that seemingly we can't do anything about. Any advice as to
possible solutions would be gratefully received. I can only think of
eventually having the door reglazed, or buying sticky backed frosted glass
effect stickers to put over the pains but don't really want to do this as it
defeats the point in going for totally clear glazing in the first place and is
likely to look cheap. No idea what it would cost to reglaze the door - I
suspect more than the door itself is worth.
http://www.homeownershub.com/img/83
http://www.homeownershub.com/img/84
http://www.homeownershub.com/img/85

Clearly the double glazed units haven't been properly sealed when they were installed in the door.
They should have been bedded into putty /some equivalent when they were fitted.

Don't be such an idiot harry. Sealed Double glazed units must *never*
be bedded with putty in timber frames. That will cause them to fail
very quickly, *and* the frame to rot as many buyers of new houses
discovered within a few years of moving in, before the GGF and
NHBC got a grip on the problem.

sealed DG units need to be dry mounted in timber frames which have
to be sealed correctly first. Double sided butyl tape is applied
to the inside edge of the rebate and the dg unit stuck onto this tape
using special fibre spacers to stop the dg unit from contacting the
frame. More double sided butyl tape is used to fix the glazing bars
onto the outside glass pane, and the glazing bars are then pinned
into the wooden frame using stainless steel pins.Any gaps are then
sealed using clear sealant and the door can then be undercoated
and glossed.

In article , Andrew
wrote:
On 14/12/2016 07:13, harry wrote:
On Tuesday, 13 December 2016 13:44:03 UTC, Lauren Kilpatrick wrote:
Please help! Last week we had a new front door fitted by someone we
found through checkatrade. The door came glazed but untreated. He
primed and then gloss painted for us. It was dark when he left and it
looked ok. However, on looking at it in dalylight, I can now see that
whilst he used tape around the edges, nonetheless both the primer and
gloss red paint have got in behind the glass (I.e. Between the two
pains of glass) and it looks terrible. Completely ruins the affect as
it looks shoddy and messy. I am absolutely gutted at having spent the
money on materials and the labour to end up with a poor quality job
that seemingly we can't do anything about. Any advice as to possible
solutions would be gratefully received. I can only think of eventually
having the door reglazed, or buying sticky backed frosted glass effect
stickers to put over the pains but don't really want to do this as it
defeats the point in going for totally clear glazing in the first
place and is likely to look cheap. No idea what it would cost to
reglaze the door - I suspect more than the door itself is worth.
http://www.homeownershub.com/img/83
http://www.homeownershub.com/img/84 http://www.homeownershub.com/img/85

Clearly the double glazed units haven't been properly sealed when they
were installed in the door. They should have been bedded into putty
/some equivalent when they were fitted.

Don't be such an idiot harry. Sealed Double glazed units must *never* be
bedded with putty in timber frames. That will cause them to fail very
quickly, *and* the frame to rot as many buyers of new houses discovered
within a few years of moving in, before the GGF and NHBC got a grip on
the problem.

"Never" is a bit strong. In this house are still two Magnet Joinery frames
which were glazed with DG units in 1975 - by the previos owner's builder.

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On 15/12/2016 16:21, charles wrote:
In article , Andrew
wrote:
On 14/12/2016 07:13, harry wrote:
On Tuesday, 13 December 2016 13:44:03 UTC, Lauren Kilpatrick wrote:
Please help! Last week we had a new front door fitted by someone we

http://www.homeownershub.com/img/83
http://www.homeownershub.com/img/84 http://www.homeownershub.com/img/85

Clearly the double glazed units haven't been properly sealed when they
were installed in the door. They should have been bedded into putty
/some equivalent when they were fitted.

Don't be such an idiot harry. Sealed Double glazed units must *never* be
bedded with putty in timber frames. That will cause them to fail very
quickly, *and* the frame to rot as many buyers of new houses discovered
within a few years of moving in, before the GGF and NHBC got a grip on
the problem.

"Never" is a bit strong. In this house are still two Magnet Joinery frames
which were glazed with DG units in 1975 - by the previos owner's builder.

Glazed with linseed putty, in 1975 ??. I find this difficult to believe.
Post a photo for us to see.

What worries me about this thread is that if this is a double glazed door
the glazing unit should be sealed so the effect described cannot in fact
occur unless its not really a proper double glazed door.
Brian

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"harry" wrote in message
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On Tuesday, 13 December 2016 13:44:03 UTC, Lauren Kilpatrick wrote:
Please help! Last week we had a new front door fitted by someone we found
through checkatrade. The door came glazed but untreated. He primed and
then
gloss painted for us. It was dark when he left and it looked ok. However,
on
looking at it in dalylight, I can now see that whilst he used tape around
the
edges, nonetheless both the primer and gloss red paint have got in behind
the
glass (I.e. Between the two pains of glass) and it looks terrible.
Completely
ruins the affect as it looks shoddy and messy. I am absolutely gutted at
having spent the money on materials and the labour to end up with a poor
quality job that seemingly we can't do anything about. Any advice as to
possible solutions would be gratefully received. I can only think of
eventually having the door reglazed, or buying sticky backed frosted
glass
effect stickers to put over the pains but don't really want to do this as
it
defeats the point in going for totally clear glazing in the first place
and is
likely to look cheap. No idea what it would cost to reglaze the door - I
suspect more than the door itself is worth.
http://www.homeownershub.com/img/83
http://www.homeownershub.com/img/84
http://www.homeownershub.com/img/85

Make sure both top and bottom edges of the door have been painted.
This is where rot sets in.

Exactly my point. I'd suggest you have a claim against whoever sold you the
door as one would most certainly not expect there to be any way paint could
get inside the unit.
brain

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or what I say, you don't have to
read my posts! :-)
"Andrew" wrote in message
news
On 14/12/2016 07:13, harry wrote:
On Tuesday, 13 December 2016 13:44:03 UTC, Lauren Kilpatrick wrote:
Please help! Last week we had a new front door fitted by someone we
found
through checkatrade. The door came glazed but untreated. He primed and
then
gloss painted for us. It was dark when he left and it looked ok.
However, on
looking at it in dalylight, I can now see that whilst he used tape
around the
edges, nonetheless both the primer and gloss red paint have got in
behind the
glass (I.e. Between the two pains of glass) and it looks terrible.
Completely
ruins the affect as it looks shoddy and messy. I am absolutely gutted at
having spent the money on materials and the labour to end up with a poor
quality job that seemingly we can't do anything about. Any advice as to
possible solutions would be gratefully received. I can only think of
eventually having the door reglazed, or buying sticky backed frosted
glass
effect stickers to put over the pains but don't really want to do this
as it
defeats the point in going for totally clear glazing in the first place
and is
likely to look cheap. No idea what it would cost to reglaze the door - I
suspect more than the door itself is worth.
http://www.homeownershub.com/img/83
http://www.homeownershub.com/img/84
http://www.homeownershub.com/img/85

Clearly the double glazed units haven't been properly sealed when they
were installed in the door.
They should have been bedded into putty /some equivalent when they were
fitted.

Don't be such an idiot harry. Sealed Double glazed units must *never*
be bedded with putty in timber frames. That will cause them to fail
very quickly, *and* the frame to rot as many buyers of new houses
discovered within a few years of moving in, before the GGF and
NHBC got a grip on the problem.

sealed DG units need to be dry mounted in timber frames which have
to be sealed correctly first. Double sided butyl tape is applied
to the inside edge of the rebate and the dg unit stuck onto this tape
using special fibre spacers to stop the dg unit from contacting the
frame. More double sided butyl tape is used to fix the glazing bars
onto the outside glass pane, and the glazing bars are then pinned
into the wooden frame using stainless steel pins.Any gaps are then
sealed using clear sealant and the door can then be undercoated
and glossed.

On 16/12/2016 05:42, Brian-Gaff wrote:
What worries me about this thread is that if this is a double glazed door
the glazing unit should be sealed so the effect described cannot in fact
occur unless its not really a proper double glazed door.

The photos show that paint has got between the wood and the glass, but
there does not appear to be any paint inside the sealed unit itself.


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On 13/12/2016 13:44, Lauren Kilpatrick wrote:
Please help! Last week we had a new front door fitted by someone we found
through checkatrade. The door came glazed but untreated. He primed and then
gloss painted for us. It was dark when he left and it looked ok.
However, on
looking at it in dalylight, I can now see that whilst he used tape
around the
edges, nonetheless both the primer and gloss red paint have got in
behind the
glass (I.e. Between the two pains of glass) and it looks terrible.
Completely
ruins the affect as it looks shoddy and messy. I am absolutely gutted at
having spent the money on materials and the labour to end up with a poor
quality job that seemingly we can't do anything about. Any advice as to
possible solutions would be gratefully received. I can only think of
eventually having the door reglazed, or buying sticky backed frosted glass
effect stickers to put over the pains but don't really want to do this
as it
defeats the point in going for totally clear glazing in the first place
and is
likely to look cheap. No idea what it would cost to reglaze the door - I
suspect more than the door itself is worth.
http://www.homeownershub.com/img/83
http://www.homeownershub.com/img/84
http://www.homeownershub.com/img/85


Why cant you get the tradesman back to rectify it?

Mike

On 16/12/2016 05:42, Brian-Gaff wrote:
What worries me about this thread is that if this is a double glazed door
the glazing unit should be sealed so the effect described cannot in fact
occur unless its not really a proper double glazed door.
Brian



Brian, the door is wood of dubious quality (many deep cracks) with a
sealed double glazed panel in the top half. The method of fitting is
wooden beading or glazing bar at one side, then the sealed unit and
wooden beading on the other side. The sealed double glazed panel has not
been compromised. The light grey undercoat paint has run, or has been
pulled down by capillary action, between the wooden beading and the
outside surface of the glass.

The lack of a seal seems to be between the sealed DG unit and the wood
beading and as others have indicated rain water will run down the window
and into the glass beading join.


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On 16/12/2016 05:46, Brian-Gaff wrote:

Exactly my point. I'd suggest you have a claim against whoever sold you the
door as one would most certainly not expect there to be any way paint could
get inside the unit.
brain

But it *hasn't* got inside the unit. It is on the outer surface.

The paint is on the outer surface of the sealed unit between the wooden
beading and the *outer* surface of the glass - wicked into the narrow
gap by capillary attraction. Visible because the glass is clear.

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